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  posted on 8/13/2020 at 04:40 PM
https://youtu.be/U9KaJk_iyjI

Just kidding about Derek and Warren. They didn't play at this show for some reason. But if they had Dickey would have been hard to handle!

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  posted on 8/13/2020 at 05:01 PM
This guy does a good job showing how Duane's fingers moved on the fretboard. He seemed to have a lighter touch than Dickey to me. But on the bridge pickup on the Les Paul and Dickey often on the neck or in the middle. Has anyone noticed Dickey ever on the bridge pickup? I haven't. Even when he isn't using a Les Paul.

https://youtu.be/4sVlwINdK3E

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  posted on 8/13/2020 at 06:40 PM
There is a funny interview with Billy Corgan, I think it is, who describes how at age 11 he would listen to Judas Priest with his buddies and they would really debate who was a hotter player, Glenn Tipton or KK Downing.

That is the essence of being 11 years old: thinking about who smokes who on guitar. Then, your balls drop and you stop thinking about who smokes who on guitar.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2020 at 09:52 PM
Then what do you think about at 12 years old when your balls drop?? Which chick has the nicest peanutbutter legs? Creamy smoth and easy to spread!?

I'm 73 now and my balls fell off, rolled across the floor and out the door. So I'm back to wondering why a 24 year old Dickey can smoke Warren and Derek but not a 75 year old Dickey who can't even play 5 notes with out a big fat clam. What happened???

 

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  posted on 8/14/2020 at 12:01 AM
"So I'm back to wondering why a 24 year old Dickey can smoke Warren and Derek but not a 75 year old Dickey who can't even play 5 notes with out a big fat clam. What happened???"

Virtuoso guitar playing is combination of physical dexterity and mental acumen. A lot of people have more physical dexterity and strength as well as mental sharpness and creativity when they are 24 than when they are 75.

Athletes are better at 24 than at 75. People drive cars better at 24 than at 75. In America at least, 24 is seen as the prime of life while 75 is seen as being a good decade into retirement.

When it comes to guitar, we do have the John McLaughlins and Jeff Becks who really are still on the top of their game in their mid-70s, but I suspect they are rare.

On top of that, of course, between the age of 24 and the age of 75, Dickey might have partied a little!!

 

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  posted on 8/14/2020 at 01:15 AM
Thanks blackey.

It always amazes me when I see a list of greatest rock guitar players of all-time and Dickey is not even in the Top 10. To me belongs in the Top 10 of ANY list. Where did he rank in Rolling Stone? #56? What a joke.

And this guy stood toe to toe with Duane Allman trading licks for 2-1/2 years? As Dickey himself once said, the lack of the Allman name hurt him in some ways.

To me the most amazing thing about Dickey, without even getting into his tremendous writing skills, is the variety of styles that he incorporated into his playing.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2020 at 07:21 AM
Yeah Jim and robslob. Thank you for the insight.

Dickey was a much bigger deal for the Allman Brothers than Warren and Derek. Dickey's songs for the band alone proves that and even when Butch wanted to expunge Dickey's songs from the band's sets the others realised it was impossible to ignore Dickey's songs because they are so crucial to the history of the band and its songbook.

I don't really mean Dickey could smoke Warren and Derek if all were at the same age (24). I just love Dickey's tone and his signature unique style better than Warren and Derek. Plus I'm a huge Duane fan too. Yes Jim I imagine Dickey's attraction to alcohol and drugs tanked his guitar skills. I think they were heading that way during the last years of Great Southern. They certainly ruined Gregg and Jerry Garcia to name just two more. But as you say, Jeff Beck and others out there in their 70's can still kick butt big time.

I still love Dickey and to me his Blue Sky is the best song ever written. I'm glad he is wealthy and living in a mansion in a gated community with a boat, dock and private island across the lake and can relax and enjoy his later 70's. In a way I'm surprised he is still living but love that he is.

As to later ABB guitarists, I think ALL of them including Dan Toler were strong players. Gregg certainly liked Toler. Had him in his solo band for 7 years.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2020 at 10:42 AM
But who has ever argued that point, Blackey (that Warren or Derek mean more to the Allman Brothers)????

 

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  posted on 8/14/2020 at 05:24 PM
Well Butch Trucks is one that tried to erase Dickey's place in the band. Expung Dickey's songs and if you remember his blog page had Duane, Gregg, Berry, Jaimoe and himself with Dickey cropped.

I'm a Butch Trucks fan from 1970 but I can't help it if Dickey was more talented than both of the Trucks..Butch and Derek.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2020 at 05:40 PM
Warren didn't ask Dickey to be in his band
Duane did.

Warren is an incredibly diverse prolific singer and player and band leader
Note his stints with the Dead, the Allman's, and even touring with the Dead orchestral tour.

Dickey ain't **** now, his last album is disposable garbage
Gregg left a legacy.
Warren is still touring and hasn't been to jail for beating up his woman.
Derek is an original unique bearer of traditions and the master of electric slide. Also not in jail for drinking or domestic violence. So we can see tradition progresses.

Derek and Warren brought new life to Dickeys tired old ABB interpretations.
If DB could have done the job well enough, he would not have gotten the axe.

DBetts has his bag, but I without Duane, I'm not sure he works have found his stride, he rises to play with good players but picks sub par help for his own bands.



 

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  posted on 8/14/2020 at 08:46 PM
WaitinForRain what are you saying? If Warren had been running the ABB he wouldn't have asked Dickey to join? So what? Warren is not Duane Allman and has never had Duane's energy and leadership charisma. Fillmore East wouldn't have been the groundbreaking powerhouse it was if Warren had been in Duane's spot. I've seen the Mule many times and Warren with the ABB dozens of times and while he is no Duane Allman or Dickey Betts, Warren is an extremely talented guitarists, singer and songwriter. And he is incredibly versatile. Can play in different styles as you mentioned. I've been a fan for years. But Warren has never put together a top tier band head lining sheds, civic centers and coliseums but Duane Allman did. And Warren has never written a rock classic like Dickey has several times. Soulshine is kinda close though and co writing that Garth Brooks hit is a big deal so Warren is leaving a mark. If he could write a Jessica or Blue Sky.

Dickey DID ask Warren to join his band in 1987 and Matt Apts too. Matt didnt strike me as sub par. In 1982 Dickey asked Butch Trucks of all people plus Chuck Leavell to be in his band. Also it was Dickey who wanted Warren in the Allman Brothers in 1989.

Dickey's tired old ABB's interpretations??? Dickey was voted off the 2000 tour because of alcohol and drugs and jealousies from a certain drummer over song writing royalties and a certain guitarist making a lot more money than that certain drummer. The drugs and booze was the same problems that plagued Gregg Allman except Gregg wasn't a mean drunk but he was a drunk. When did Warren and Derek introduce these new interpretations and material. If they came up with new material that equaled or surpassed Revival, In Memory of Elizabeth Reed, Les Brer in A Minor, Blue Sky. Ramblin' Man, Southbound, Jessica, Pony Boy, High Falls, Crazy Love, etc etc then how did I miss it???

I really like and admire Warren and Derek but they are not as talented as Dickey was during his heyday and certainly they don't equal Duane Allman!! Duane Allman is on the same level as Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck or David Gilmore.

If it were not for Duane Allman and even Gregg Allman and Dickey Betts...there wouldn't have been an Allman Brothers for Warren and Derek to have joined in 2001 to 2014. And without Duane and Dickey, probably we would have never heard of Butch Trucks. Or Jaimoe. Hell Dickey may not have made it big without Duane. Duane Allman was the difference between the ABB becoming a top live draw band like the Dead rather than a Cowboy, Grinderswitch, Wet Willie, Great Southern or Sea Level.

Well I'm too drunk to continue this. Glad I've never struck a woman, shoved a policeman, punched a certain drummer in the nose, pulled a knife on a bass player or been in jail. At least I'm a free man tonight. But too old to go dancing. But not in jail.
I imagine Warren and Derek are big Dickey fans. They have said that. Jimmy Herring said he was. Dickey and Gregg's ups and downs and embarrassing situations have come from their lifestyles and it hurt their playing and health. I'm sure you agree.

Just saw on the news Robert Trump is seriously ill in a New York City hospital. Hope he makes it. Don't know much about him other than he is President Trump's youngest brother. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ hickup!

 

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  posted on 8/14/2020 at 10:11 PM
A better thread would be
What Are You Drinking!!

Happy Friday nights lead to unhappy Saturday mornings....


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  posted on 8/15/2020 at 02:12 AM
Guitar playing is not a competition, it's about the taste of the player and the listener . However it seems like every few weeks Blackey must feel like Dickey isn't getting respected and posts something like this, but in the process he feels it necessary to take down Warren and Derek a notch and point out that he thinks Dickey is better than them. Then we get a history lesson. I'm not knocking you, I just don't get it.

Why?

Why not just post the link to the video you want to share and let it be?

 

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  posted on 8/15/2020 at 08:21 AM
I did post a link at the top of the thread.

https://youtu.be/U9KaJk_iyjI

Then the scotch. I need some ibuprofen.

 

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  posted on 8/15/2020 at 03:16 PM
Man teaches you how to play like Dickey in one easy lesson!!

https://youtu.be/bHvhTisy6tc

 

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  posted on 8/15/2020 at 08:31 PM
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I did post a link at the top of the thread.

https://youtu.be/U9KaJk_iyjI

Then the scotch. I need some ibuprofen.


Yes, you did post a link at the top of the thread, but you didn't just let it be which was the other part of the comment. You had to make it a competition between guitarists in the band so you could hammer home your preference of Dickey.

I get having a favorite, but why at the expense of taking down others a notch?

[Edited on 8/16/2020 by WarEagleRK]

 

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  posted on 8/15/2020 at 11:36 PM
Wasn't taking down anyone a notch. Butch tried to expung Dickey's songs from the sets and on his blog be began about 2005, Butch had a picture of himself standing with the original band on his homepage and Dickey was cropped out. Cropped out of a picture of the original band!!??? But Dickey is still on Eat A Peach. Kind of like pretending Keith Richards isn't more important to the Stones sound and success than Ron Wood. No knock on Ronnie. Ronnie joined a band that already made it l.

When I'm having a few I sometimes get irritated that Dickey was put out like that by Butch and some fans here..

I am only saying Dickey is more important... and through his unique guitar style and the many great songs he wrote, Dickey is like Glen Frey being more key and iconic to the Eagles than Joe Walsh. The Eagles were already a major band when Joe Walsh joined. No taking down Joe Walsh at all. Same in ABB. Fillmore East, Eat A Peach and Brothers and Sisters, the band's most famous and iconic albums were already out and successful when the later guitarists joined.

It's all in the past and Butch and the band are gone so I need to move on. Everybody probably knows Duane, Gregg and Dickey and to a lesser extent Berry, Butch and Jaimoe are the people who made the ABB successful and all of the famous classic songs not covers or Little Martha came from Gregg and Dickey. I guess Butch was acting like someone mad at his X wife.

I'm done talking about this. Need to quit the scotch too.

 

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  posted on 8/15/2020 at 11:46 PM
Why you don't go toddle off and post this in the
Dickey site where all the other elderly high schoolers
lurk.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2020 at 05:43 AM
Dickey, Warren and Derek are all just amazing players and totally different from each other in there guitar playing. Derek will probably never get the respect he deserves in the band just due to the lack of new music the band did not release during his time in the band. It's a shame but it's a fact.
 

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  posted on 8/16/2020 at 09:29 AM
Fender 31. Warren and Derek did a fantastic job making sure the band's legacy and level of playing was what someone who had been listening to Eat A Peach, Fillmore East and Brothers and Sisters but never heard the band live would expect.

Some years after Hitting The Note came out Gregg told the press the band was going to do a new studio album. One reporter said "But Butch Trucks recently said the band would not" and Gregg said " We are and without Butch Trucks if necessary ". But it didn't happen. Probably would have been a great album.

Players who join bands well after they became famous and most of their classic well loved songs have been out for years have that problem. It would be that way if Derek and Warren ended up in the Grateful Dead or the Rolling Stones. Joe Walsh has that in the Eagles. The Eagles were huge and had a lot of famous songs when Walsh replaced Leadon.
Often drummers and bass players who were there in the beginning will get overlooked.

Maybe that was part of why after 2001, Butch tried to expung Dickey's classic songs from the current band's sets. Put a picture of the originial band standing together on his blog home page and cropped Dickey. When announcing to the press the upcoming 40th anniversary shows at the Beacon, Butch said " We are inviting everyone who played with Duane Allman to play with us". One reporter said " That means Dickey will be invited?" And Butch said " Well no not that one. We are a different band now". That apparently indicates Butch was trying to live in an alternate universe.

Obviously Dickey was the elephant in the China shop before 2001 but it seems to me Butch was a little that way in the last lineup. We all now know that Warren and Derek and apparently Gregg was expecting to sunset the band in 2009 but Butch begged for another five years. When he tried again in 2014 Warren and Derek quit. Derek was very good and showed he wanted to step up and protect the band's legacy and the level of play heard on At Fillmore East and live Eat A Peach. It is a shame there was just one studio album from 2001 to 2014. It's actually crazy. I've been watching Eric Clapton's live video of " Why Does Love Have To Be So Bad" with Derek and the level of play between Derek and Clapton is incredible. Just top notch.

Here it is if you haven't seen it. It's a home run and when Derek and Clapton start tradng licks it is something to behold.

https://youtu.be/1YCakEDEPPs


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  posted on 8/16/2020 at 09:35 PM
Boy, I’ve been reading these “competition” threads here for going on 19 years plus a few years on the original site. ( “Rolling Stone magazine ranked __________ # 42?? WTF man!” )

What a waste of time.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2020 at 06:25 AM
this was &#128077;.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2020 at 08:00 AM
Well, that was...interesting.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2020 at 08:57 AM
Dino. There isn't any competition in the ABB. All members have been strong players. Gregg and Butch have dissed David Goldflies and Johnny Neel and the chemistry of the 1978 to 1982 band with late 1980 to 1982 being the low point with David Toler instead of Jaimoe on drums and Mike Lawler in keys.

But the facts are the facts. Other than Duane and Gregg, Dickey's sound and original songs are way more key to the band's legacy and sound that other members. Just hearing Blue Sky or Jessica on classic rock radio proves that.

If you want to hear some of the best twin guitar playing I've ever heard, check out Derek Trucks and Eric Clapton.

https://youtu.be/1YCakEDEPPs

 

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  posted on 8/17/2020 at 05:58 PM
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Boy, I’ve been reading these “competition” threads here for going on 19 years plus a few years on the original site. ( “Rolling Stone magazine ranked __________ # 42?? WTF man!” )

What a waste of time.


Well My Dad can beat up your Dad. LOL

Thank God we don't have to see Warren and Dickey mud wrestling. Do they arm wrestle instead?

Dickey smokes Derek and Warren - Did they run out of smoke? Use a bong or an old school joint?

 

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