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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 04:36 PM
Adam Schiff has announced the formation of an investigative effort to go after Trump's coronavirus response...

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/490591-schiff-drafting-legislation-to-se t-up-9-11-style-commission-to-review

I'm sure many here will cheer, but just like the ill-considered impeachment, this is another effort that will blow up on Democrats. The impeachment circus probably insured that Trump will be re-elected. I predict that this, if taken to the full extent of competing for national attention along side the virus news, will ensure that the House gets flipped in the fall. And you gotta know that the MSM will do everything they can to amplify coverage of this, adding more fuel to the distrust of the media (whose polling keeps going down, down, down).

Their political calculus is so pathetically wrong. During one of the biggest crises the country has ever known, the D's leadership is considering a repeat of Trump On Trial before a nation where only a small percentage care. They already look silly accusing him of a too-slow reaction during the exact time when they were holding Washington hostage with the impeachment trial. Now they think a repeat will somehow turn out better?

I've never seen politicians digging a deeper hole for themselves. Its amazing to watch.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 04:52 PM
Maybe you'll understand why Trump's leadership is questioned and where responsibility lies. Good that there are attempts to challenge his gross incompetence & negligence. Maybe it doesn't fit your narrative, but facts are facts and Trump & his inner circle's words speak volumes. Good that everyone doesn't stick their head in the sand looking for a MAGA hat.

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 04:52 PM
Did you actually read the article?

“After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes,” the House Intelligence Committee chairman said in a tweet. “Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic.”

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 04:52 PM
As people around the country and in their districts die, this is their focus?...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/with-virus-crisis-rag ing-pelosi-schiff-ramp-up-new-trump-investigations

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 05:01 PM
No, their focus is on their ratings....
 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 05:06 PM
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Maybe you'll understand why Trump's leadership is questioned and where responsibility lies. Good that there are attempts to challenge his gross incompetence & negligence. Maybe it doesn't fit your narrative, but facts are facts and Trump & his inner circle's words speak volumes. Good that everyone doesn't stick their head in the sand looking for a MAGA hat.

https://youtu.be/JxG241bExqY
You've been here long enough to have lived thru the last similar crisis with H1N1. Please remind us of your posts focusing similar concerns towards Obama, who was playing golf during that pandemic. But that was history and we're not supposed to remember that or apply such comparisons. Yeah, right

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 05:06 PM
It's necessary to investigate, as there were plenty of missed opportunities to prepare. Now might not be the priority now as we are unfortunately in it deep, but there's a lot we can learn from this debacle (or already knew and just failed to act). The legislation is preliminary so I don't really see the harm, we will be researching this for years.

I doubt the impeachment hearings "ensured" Trump's reelection. Jeez, what a simpler time, seems like ages ago. Most people are of the "what have you done for me lately?" mind and it's really easy to vote when you're unemployed. Only people who use the term "MSM" as if it means any thing would be convinced Trump is a slam dunk in November. COVID might just be striking Peoria by then for all we know.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 05:11 PM
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Did you actually read the article?

“After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes,” the House Intelligence Committee chairman said in a tweet. “Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic.”

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Speaking of reading, what part of "after" isn't clear? Not during - after.

And that investigation wasn't designed to attack a President, but to genuinely find ways to improve for the future. Does anyone with a reasonable viewpoint believe, that with us not even at the mid-point of this crisis, the intentions are the same? Please

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 05:19 PM
“Once we’ve recovered...”

[Edited on 4/3/2020 by Boglo]

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 05:31 PM
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Did you actually read the article?

“After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes,” the House Intelligence Committee chairman said in a tweet. “Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic.”

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Speaking of reading, what part of "after" isn't clear? Not during - after.

And that investigation wasn't designed to attack a President, but to genuinely find ways to improve for the future. Does anyone with a reasonable viewpoint believe, that with us not even at the mid-point of this crisis, the intentions are the same? Please


“We will need to delay the work of the commission until the crisis has abated to ensure that it does not interfere with the agencies that are leading the response,” Schiff told The Washington Post.

Pretty easy to understand English above. ^

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 05:43 PM
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Maybe you'll understand why Trump's leadership is questioned and where responsibility lies. Good that there are attempts to challenge his gross incompetence & negligence. Maybe it doesn't fit your narrative, but facts are facts and Trump & his inner circle's words speak volumes. Good that everyone doesn't stick their head in the sand looking for a MAGA hat.

https://youtu.be/JxG241bExqY
You've been here long enough to have lived thru the last similar crisis with H1N1. Please remind us of your posts focusing similar concerns towards Obama, who was playing golf during that pandemic. But that was history and we're not supposed to remember that or apply such comparisons. Yeah, right


I don't recall dereliction of duty & leadership in Obama administration like I've seen in the case of Covid-19 by the Trump Admin. Trump and his circle basically were late to the game with denials after denials. Look at the video and listen to Trump's own words and that of his minions. What conclusion can you come to? Can you turn your head and say they were right? I think that Trump's choice to eliminate the Pandemic Unit within the NSC was gross mismanagement, but it was another in a line of Trump actions taken to wipe out Obama's legacy. He does these things not out of sound reasoning nor good management principles but instead out of spite and jealousy. No doubt that pandemic unit would have played a vital role in today's environment and hopefully would have helped us get out in front of this as opposed to playing catch up.

We always or should learn from mistakes and from history, but that isn't always the case. Sure Obama made mistakes during his pandemic, but you seriously can't reference Obama's golf playing when Trump practically lives on the golf course. Maybe you'd like to compare Obama's golf trips vs that of Trump? Maybe you want to speak to Trump's rallies amping the base and being dismissive of the pandemic in late February and early March in the Carolinas. From honesty, compassion, and leadership standpoint, who do you want at the helm - someone like Trump or Obama?

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 05:48 PM
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Did you actually read the article?

“After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes,” the House Intelligence Committee chairman said in a tweet. “Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic.”

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.


Yes, I read & think the accountability factor will be self defining and blatantly evident. There is too much out there in the record to dismiss deniability and lack of leadership as major findings along with other findings more in the scientific arena.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 05:55 PM
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Did you actually read the article?

“After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes,” the House Intelligence Committee chairman said in a tweet. “Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic.”

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Speaking of reading, what part of "after" isn't clear? Not during - after.

And that investigation wasn't designed to attack a President, but to genuinely find ways to improve for the future. Does anyone with a reasonable viewpoint believe, that with us not even at the mid-point of this crisis, the intentions are the same? Please


“We will need to delay the work of the commission until the crisis has abated to ensure that it does not interfere with the agencies that are leading the response,” Schiff told The Washington Post.

Pretty easy to understand English above. ^

Well, there you go, yeah, Nothing to see here...
Seeking knowledge is not an "attack"

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 06:22 PM
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Adam Schiff has announced the formation of an investigative effort to go after Trump's coronavirus response...

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/490591-schiff-drafting-legislation-to-se t-up-9-11-style-commission-to-review

I'm sure many here will cheer, but just like the ill-considered impeachment, this is another effort that will blow up on Democrats. The impeachment circus probably insured that Trump will be re-elected. I predict that this, if taken to the full extent of competing for national attention along side the virus news, will ensure that the House gets flipped in the fall. And you gotta know that the MSM will do everything they can to amplify coverage of this, adding more fuel to the distrust of the media (whose polling keeps going down, down, down).

Their political calculus is so pathetically wrong. During one of the biggest crises the country has ever known, the D's leadership is considering a repeat of Trump On Trial before a nation where only a small percentage care. They already look silly accusing him of a too-slow reaction during the exact time when they were holding Washington hostage with the impeachment trial. Now they think a repeat will somehow turn out better?

I've never seen politicians digging a deeper hole for themselves. Its amazing to watch.


God forbid we investigate what went wrong with the federal response and how we can avoid it in the future. Every potential criticism of Trump is always some sort of conspiracy in the minds of the Trumpies. Such a thin skinned bunch....

How dare those damn Democrats actually investigate and try to improve upon a broken system.


 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 06:32 PM
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Their political calculus is so pathetically wrong. During one of the biggest crises the country has ever known, the D's leadership is considering a repeat of Trump On Trial before a nation where only a small percentage care. They already look silly accusing him of a too-slow reaction during the exact time when they were holding Washington hostage with the impeachment trial. Now they think a repeat will somehow turn out better?

I've never seen politicians digging a deeper hole for themselves. Its amazing to watch.


Yes it is - their neurotic fixation on the hate/blame game is tiresome & discouraging to people caught in the medical/economic trap of the virus - who would instead like to see something a little more constructive & outward looking

The convening of another panel accomplishes nothing except helping to seal their own fate at the polls in Nov

[Edited on 4/4/2020 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 06:46 PM
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I'm sure many here will cheer

Cheering is for sports. Americans expect facts, a timeline, accountability, and an contemporaneous record of events as they unfolded during the pandemic. Epidemiologists need that information in order to prevent errors that were made (regardless of who made them) for the future. Historians will study this period for decades to come just as they have with wars, pandemics, & natural disasters. Analysis of COVID19 will be conducted globally.

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During one of the biggest crises the country has ever known, the D's leadership is considering a repeat of Trump On Trial before a nation where only a small percentage care. They already look silly accusing him of a too-slow reaction during the exact time when they were holding Washington hostage with the impeachment trial.


Impeachment is completely irrelevant to the topic of conducting an analysis of how the pandemic that has affected all 330mm Americans unfolded. There WILL be investigations. They will be conducted by journalists, scientists, historians, & economists. It would be irresponsible for any government - local, state, federal - not to conduct an investigation. There have been national investigations for major events such as Yellow Fever, Pearl Harbor, JFK assassination, Watergate, Challenger explosion, HIV/AIDS epidemic, 9/11, Katrina, the BP Oil Spill, & Opiods. The announcement of an investigation into such an unprecedented pandemic isn't unusual, partisan, or particularly interesting.

The 2-week impeachment trial in which Trump had no role & Congress met on weekday afternoons might not warrant even a footnote in the chronology of the final report.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 07:37 PM
There certainly should be an inquiry as to how thing could have been better, although it seems too early to do it now. I doubt this would be complete before the election anyway, and really should be done in a manner to get to help during the next outbreak and not so much as a political weapon.

But while talking about opening enquiries for political purposes, I'm kind of surprised that the senate hasn't opened an 11th Benghazi investigation.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 12:00 AM
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Did you actually read the article?

“After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes,” the House Intelligence Committee chairman said in a tweet. “Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic.”

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Speaking of reading, what part of "after" isn't clear? Not during - after.

And that investigation wasn't designed to attack a President, but to genuinely find ways to improve for the future. Does anyone with a reasonable viewpoint believe, that with us not even at the mid-point of this crisis, the intentions are the same? Please
“We will need to delay the work of the commission until the crisis has abated to ensure that it does not interfere with the agencies that are leading the response,” Schiff told The Washington Post.

Pretty easy to understand English above. ^
Coming from one of the most renown liars in Washington, accepting Schiff's words at face value is the purest form of gullibility imaginable.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 12:19 AM
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Did you actually read the article?

“After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, we looked at what went wrong to learn from our mistakes,” the House Intelligence Committee chairman said in a tweet. “Once we've recovered, we need a nonpartisan commission to review our response and how we can better prepare for the next pandemic.”

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Speaking of reading, what part of "after" isn't clear? Not during - after.

And that investigation wasn't designed to attack a President, but to genuinely find ways to improve for the future. Does anyone with a reasonable viewpoint believe, that with us not even at the mid-point of this crisis, the intentions are the same? Please
“We will need to delay the work of the commission until the crisis has abated to ensure that it does not interfere with the agencies that are leading the response,” Schiff told The Washington Post.

Pretty easy to understand English above. ^
Coming from one of the most renown liars in Washington, accepting Schiff's words at face value is the purest form of gullibility imaginable.


Is it just me, or does everyone else think it is hilarious when a Trump supporter complains about somebody in Washington being a liar?

 

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I don't see anything wrong with doing this at some point in the near future. I don't understand why they have to talk about it now, but people talk, it's what they do. And when one group of people particularly dislike the words and actions of another person or group of people they are going to talk a lot.
 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 09:11 AM
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Pretty easy to understand English above. ^
Coming from one of the most renown liars in Washington, accepting Schiff's words at face value is the purest form of gullibility imaginable.

Is it just me, or does everyone else think it is hilarious when a Trump supporter complains about somebody in Washington being a liar?

They support Trump without question, so anyone who contradicts him must be a threat. Cut off their nose to spite their face. If they want to die on that hill, let them, but don't bring the rest of us down with. They can't even point to what Schiff is lying about here? It's a nothing issue.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 11:26 AM
The GOP held 33 hearings on Benghazi.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 01:28 PM
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The GOP held 33 hearings on Benghazi.


Imagine Batman (Trump) and Robin (Jared) testifying before a House panel for 12 or so hours....How many actual coherent sentences do you think would spill from their mouths in that time?

Watching Jared mumbling answers to the questions asked of him yesterday was embarrassing. It's no wonder he rarely speaks. This buffoon is running the show? It's no wonder the federal response has been a mess from the beginning.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 07:05 PM
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The GOP held 33 hearings on Benghazi.


Imagine Batman (Trump) and Robin (Jared) testifying before a House panel for 12 or so hours....How many actual coherent sentences do you think would spill from their mouths in that time?

Watching Jared mumbling answers to the questions asked of him yesterday was embarrassing. It's no wonder he rarely speaks. This buffoon is running the show? It's no wonder the federal response has been a mess from the beginning.


Won't happen. Wanna be dictator will ignore any subpoena and will direct anybody else loyal to him to ignore it as well. We've already seen this. He's already gotten away with obstruction of justice before, so he has no fear now. The system of checks and balances outlined in the constitution was used as toilet paper long before the Coronavirus toilet paper shortages.

 

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The GOP held 33 hearings on Benghazi.


Imagine Batman (Trump) and Robin (Jared) testifying before a House panel for 12 or so hours....How many actual coherent sentences do you think would spill from their mouths in that time?

Watching Jared mumbling answers to the questions asked of him yesterday was embarrassing. It's no wonder he rarely speaks. This buffoon is running the show? It's no wonder the federal response has been a mess from the beginning.


Won't happen. Wanna be dictator will ignore any subpoena and will direct anybody else loyal to him to ignore it as well. We've already seen this. He's already gotten away with obstruction of justice before, so he has no fear now. The system of checks and balances outlined in the constitution was used as toilet paper long before the Coronavirus toilet paper shortages.


Certainly true....Believe me, I'm under no illusion such a thing would ever happen, but imaging how Batman and Robin would stumble, bumble, and lie their way through such testimony would be pure comedic gold if it wouldn't be so embarrassing and sad for the country.

 
 


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