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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 11:06 AM
I enjoyed reading the post-Brothers interview with Chuck Leavell in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and especially when he said he would love to be part of The Brothers shows in the future. Which brings us to Derek, who made it pretty clear he would not be open to playing with them again,

We all know Derek made it a point to distance himself from the ABB while he established TTB and that’s fine and understandable. We also know that he sacrificed to stay with the ABB in its final years out of loyalty and respect for the music and the musicians who created it.

Derek has said that he doesn’t know if they could move the music forward if they continued playing together, and his dedication to his craft can’t be questioned. Still, I wish he would reconsider. I’m not talking about a tour, but I am talking about an annual Beacon run in March.

And that’s because there is one factor that I don’t think he considers – the absolute joy that the music of the ABB brings to its fans, which was very obvious during the Madison Square Garden show. We all know the family feeling at the heart of the ABB and the special bond we’ve always felt with the band and each other. Having all of those guys together on-stage again was incredible and the music was fantastic and, once again, the ABB family was able to experience it together.

That’s why I hope Derek reconsiders and becomes part of an annual Beacon run. That would still leave him 11 months out of the year to pursue TTB and his own destiny. Plus, an annual run would allow people like Devon Allman, Duane Betts, Berry Oakley Jr. and Lamar Williams Jr. to take part and represent the Brothers who have gone on to their final reward, not to mention a chance to play again with ABB alumni like Jack Pearson and Jimmy Herring.

So, please Derek, don’t think about the legacy and direction of the music as much as the joy that music brings to so many of us. As Ben Parker said to his nephew, Peter, with great power comes great responsibility.

Thanks for listening. Pax…

 
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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 11:21 AM
If Derek doesn't want to do anymore Brothers shows, they could bring in Jack Pearson and I would be MORE than okay with that...

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 11:46 AM
I too would travel to the Beacon to see The Brothers with Jack Pearson and Chuck Leavell in the band with Warren, Jaimoe, Oteil & Marc (those 6 ended up on stage together at Peach 2017). I'm not sure it would have the same drawing power without Derek, but that lineup could do a couple Beacon weekends, I'm sure.

I'm not sure Derek 100% closed the door on more. Chuck was interviewed the next day with a high from the night before with his excitement level (understandably).

I'm still blown away with what they pulled off at MSG.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 01:23 PM
I think that show at MSG was certainly a "testing of the waters". I get where Derek is coming from. He's a consummate artist. Always moving forward, never wants to be in a "nostalgia" situation. Even when he was making great money playing in the ABB, it was never his career goal. And I respect him for that.

However, I do think that when the world gets back to normal, in a year or whatever it takes, The Brothers will exist as a touring entity. I don't anticipate 80-100 dates per year, nor do I want that. But I can see a Beacon run and 25-30 shed shows in the summer for sure. Peachfest also. It just makes sense.

Of course it wasn't the same without Gregg and Butch, but it was absolutely wonderful to see and hear that music played live again. They'll do it again at some point. I firmly believe it. Wishful thinking? maybe.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 01:53 PM
Don't think Jaimoe is up for that level of an actual tour. They don't do it without him. And it seemed extra special to have Chuck involved to. He sounded up for a Beacon run, but doubt he'd commit to a summer shed run.

My guess is it turns into nothing. My second guess would be a Beacon run of 5-8 dates March 2021.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 02:00 PM
I really do respect Derek's desire to move forward. And yeah, I don't see Jaimoe touring.

That being said, that show was amazing almost to the point of being surprising at how well they pulled it off. I should not have been so surprised but there ya go.

I don't think Derek would ever tour with them, but I'd go see Jackie P.

In the meantime, in that TTB broadcast last night, they surely did do a nice "Don't Keep Me Wondering."

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 02:25 PM
I agree that a tour, even a short one, would be too much to ask. As I stated in my original post, an annual Beacon run would be good enough. It would be less stress on the entire band, and not just Jaimoe. Plus, people could plan for it, just like we did in the old days, and even though the Madison Square Garden show was wonderful, we all know there's nothing quite like Beacon magic.

I also agree that if Derek remains adamant, then Jack Pearson would be a more than suitable replacement and I would attend a show in a heartbeat. Still, Derek brings something special to the mix, so I'll continue to cross my fingers and hope that he sees the light.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 02:26 PM
Derek is the only one who's openly said he doesn't want to do more of these. That doesn't mean he's the only one who feels that way. But doing a run or a tour means a bunch more songs to rehearse and a lot more time taken away from everyone's other projects. That's separate from the question of whether a band like that could really sell out a bunch of theater dates given what the MSG response was really like; I'm very skeptical but it's not my department. The thing that's interesting is that the younger guys, but especially Derek from what we can see, take a very conservative approach to the band's legacy and history and have strong views about how it should be treated — whether it's a good idea to associate the ABB name with a show that has one original band member, or lots of people who weren't in the band, or a show that might be under-rehearsed if it has lots of guests, or whether it just starts to mean less if it happens again and again. The band finished on a high note in 2014 and might've done it again in 2020. Would that happen a third time?
 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 02:47 PM
I think they were happy with the 1 show in NYC, but I could see them doing a show in Macon or Atlanta and maybe get Mr.Betts to play 1-3 songs with them...
 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 02:54 PM
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And that’s because there is one factor that I don’t think he considers – the absolute joy that the music of the ABB brings to its fans..


Derek will do, what Derek wants to do, not from a selfish point of view at all. It is his and his families decision alone. Breaking up the dtb was his choice as well....and life went on, as did the music.

Man, I have been a fan of this band since 1973, my first show was in Oakland, Ca of that same year. My interest level has slowly diminished as time as traveled on because of the unfortunate deaths that have occurred. Over that time, Gregg did his very best to keep the music alive, but as the hands of the clock continued to do their thing, this entity we call the "Allman Brothers" has morphed into a group of players covering music laid down by the players before them, a glorified cover band. Reason all you want about how long Warren has stood beside Gregg and "Carried" the torch, but the truth is he is far from being an original member.

They all got together to give us one more farewell performance.

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 03:12 PM
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And that’s because there is one factor that I don’t think he considers – the absolute joy that the music of the ABB brings to its fans

I overlooked this the first time, but ... what? He was in the band for 15 years and knows how the fans feel about the music. If the music didn't make fans happy, there wouldn't be anybody to play for. It's just not the only thing he's thinking about. There's the time and logistical side of it, but also, Derek talks a lot about wanting to bring his A game all the time, serve the music, and play with the right intention. It's a big deal for him that music he makes to come from an heartfelt place, and if you don't really want to do it or you're only playing it because the fans like it, it doesn't have that.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2020 at 03:13 PM
Derek has a "made up mind". He has for a long time. Personally I don't see anything left for any of them to prove by playing ABB material live. They left it all on the table with the live shows and releases like 40. What's left? Another album?! Out of all of them the only ones who would consistently write music would be Warren and Jack. I'm pretty sure at the very least you'll see a one off in the future with a different lineup. If a tour happened with Jack fans would likely see only east coast shows as the ABB was pretty much doing anyway. I've moved on and am following several different bands both inside and outside of the ABB family these days. There's a plethora of great live ABB music I have in my library that more than keeps me satisfied and I said my goodbye to the band at PeachFest 2017.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 09:35 AM
Derek has a "made up mind", and, he asks us to please "let him get by" by leaving enough "signs" for all to see.

But wouldn't it be great if there was a couple Dead & Co/Brothers double bill shows? Or a couple festival appearances where The Brothers' other bands are appearing?

For me personally, if they ever did play again, I wouldn't pay again what I paid to see the MSG show. It was worth it to me, but for one time only.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 12:22 PM
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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 12:41 PM
I know everyone is here and wants more only because they love the Allman Brothers, but...

...be thankful for what they gave us!

45 years (on and off) of amazing music, just think of how many times they could have stopped. Both Warren and Derek (and Jaimoe, to a lesser extent) still play this music in their own bands. Warren and Derek carried the band on their shoulders, even while Gregg wasn't that into it. Let that sink it! 14 more years of shows, they don't owe us anything. They've earned the right to do their own thing. The Brothers show was a great moment that nearly didn't happen (and plenty of people were even complaining about that). Just enjoy it, rather than try to get blood from a stone.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 12:49 PM
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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 01:05 PM
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if you can tell me you have sen any show in the last 5 years that was better than the Brothers show at MSG you are either a liar or not the biggest ABB fan you may claim to be...

I appreciate your love for the music, but this makes no sense. Whether or not the MSG show is the best does not mean they owe anyone more, nor quantifies anyone's fandom. Just be glad it happened at all, because it very nearly didn't.

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 01:08 PM
You gotta love when someone says something potentially inflammatory then follow it up with "don't really care who disagrees with me, it's my opinion" then immediately afterward they call someone who tangentially disagrees with them a liar or not a big fan if they don't follow the same line of thinking. When you do that it seems like you might actually care who disagrees with you. Why so angry?

None of these guys owe anyone anything, including playing certain festivals. On and off for 45 years they left it on the stage every night. We paid, they delivered. Contract over. Beyond that, everyone involved can do what they want. It's up to us as the fans to decide if we want to follow them down that road.

If Derek or Warren don't want to play the Peach or Wanee, it's their decision. There has been back stabbing in this band, but not doing festivals associated with the ABB is not back stabbing nor is it disrespectful to the fans. Both Derek and Warren have moved on, but still paid respect to the music in their own shows. Who do they owe? Who are being betrayed? The band is over. It has been for 6 years.

At some point Derek and Warren felt the need to move on in order to follow their own muse, the fans can choose if they want to follow him along that path. It's not disrespect that they moved forward, nor is it disrespect of the fans don't follow. It's a new deal with different terms.

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 01:17 PM
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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 01:26 PM
“They need to pay fans the respect we paid them”
Which was exactly what they had in mind in doing the March 10 show

They’ve given us plenty - even since Oct 27-28, 2014 -
in terms of “more” I’d sure like to see an official release of 3/10 MSG - same thing w/the March 2017 Butch tribute in Ardmore PA, & last November’s Duane birthday tribute in Brklyn NY playing that Muscle Shoals music

But we have the 40th anniversary DVD, plus Gregg’s 2, All My Friends & Return To Macon, Dickey’s from 2018
- the 2017 Peach Festival show was mentioned, Wanee etc.....
So all is good

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 01:29 PM
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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 02:03 PM
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ok wareaglerk (lol tough guy) I will play. do I really think they owe us? no, do I thonk it is the right thing to do, **** YES. **** off douche


Obviously someone who doesn't care what others think.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 02:04 PM
As a long time fan the only thing left that I'd personally want or like to see from the ABB is a nice multi-track release of the Oteil and Jack Pearson years overseen or recommended by Jack. 1998 in particular or maybe Beacon '99. Don't even need a complete show. Maybe a compilation of the most high quality (performance-wise) tracks over multiple shows? I know Bert mentioned in a Billboard interview just days after GA passed that they had a '93 show from a small theatre in Fresno, CA and an '05 show from Erie, PA and that they wanted Jack in on recommending material for a release from his time with the band. Please DO THAT! I'd probably be in on buying a DVD of Atlanta Pop with Duane too if that ever came out. But other than that I'm good. They've given plenty. Plenty. More than a lot of other bands. At the risk of putting more fuel on the fire here I'll say while I do find it VERY odd that DT doesn't play the Peach(yet for example also played the Outlaw fest at same venue a few weeks later) and didn't play Wanee in recent years they or any band can certainly play wherever their booking agent books them(if it's a place I don't like I just won't go). Personally I've kinda moved a little further away from TTB anyway. I follow Warren and others more these days. And if "the Brothers" ever did anything again I'd personally from a pure musical perspective much rather see them with Jack Pearson than DT anyway. Also whoever mentioned Dead and Co. above with The Brothers I'd rather see a "The Brothers" with, say, Phil Lesh and Friends. When they announced it(D&C) in 2015 I wasn't to keen and I waited a few years to catch them. When I caught them in 2018 at Lockn' it was a nice performance from a technical standpoint . . . but not enough to really pull me in . . . I don't find D&C very interesting at all . . . mostly due to their younger front man.

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 02:15 PM
I think maybe a good highlight 3 CD set of every tour would be nice. Do it like that "Cream Of The Crop 2003" release from a couple of years ago. In fact, you can call it "Cream Of The Crop" and do a 2 or 3 disc release from every year.
 

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  posted on 4/4/2020 at 02:22 PM
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