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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 08:49 AM
Before the attacks start because I'm conservative, I just want to say I'm genuinely interested in how this is impacting the thoughts of those hoping to see a Dem unseat Trump this fall. I've never seen a race with such vast differences. It fascinating and scary at the same time, given what it might mean for the future of our republic.

We have Bernie the avowed socialist, who seems to have the energy of a lot of people behind him at the moment, leading the field by most accounts. Mayor Pete must be given his due since he did well in the first two contests, but his broader downstream support seems to be in question from the msm.

Then we have Bloomberg, who's spending vast sums of his cash on buying a political machine to put him firmly in the race come Super Tuesday. He's blanketing the airways with ads in those states, luring staff from the other campaigns with 2-3x the salaries (plus promises of income thru Nov no matter what happens), buying internet influences, squeezing past recipients of his generosity for endorsements, and getting the DNC to change its rules via donations. Mike's fortune dwarfs Trump's many, many times over, and he's obviously not afraid to use it to promote his aims. (I'm fine with that by the way, as its his 1st amendment right)

The contrast couldn't be more stark. Bernie's trying to be man of the people in the classic socialist way, promoting a path to new "rights" for the masses, paid for by the wealthy. Bloomberg is one of the wealthiest men to have ever lived, and looks to finance over his questionable authoritarian and racial issues of the past and just buy his way to the top job.

My personal opinion is that Bloomberg is going to win this battle, as the DNC is worried about such an open identification as the "socialist" party, while at the same time loving Mike's money. But I think the next few weeks are going to be astonishing to watch. How do you think is gonna play out?

 

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Money talks alright, often the loudest in political campaigns

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 09:23 AM
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Before the attacks start because I'm conservative


bold to open with the victim card. do you get attacked because of your values or because of your delivery? i think the answer is obvious.

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We have Bernie the avowed socialist, who seems to have the energy of a lot of people behind him at the moment, leading the field by most accounts. Mayor Pete must be given his due since he did well in the first two contests, but his broader downstream support seems to be in question from the msm.

Then we have Bloomberg, who's spending vast sums of his cash on buying a political machine to put him firmly in the race come Super Tuesday. He's blanketing the airways with ads in those states, luring staff from the other campaigns with 2-3x the salaries (plus promises of income thru Nov no matter what happens), buying internet influences, squeezing past recipients of his generosity for endorsements, and getting the DNC to change its rules via donations. Mike's fortune dwarfs Trump's many, many times over, and he's obviously not afraid to use it to promote his aims. (I'm fine with that by the way, as its his 1st amendment right)

The contrast couldn't be more stark. Bernie's trying to be man of the people in the classic socialist way, promoting a path to new "rights" for the masses, paid for by the wealthy. Bloomberg is one of the wealthiest men to have ever lived, and looks to finance over his questionable authoritarian and racial issues of the past and just buy his way to the top job.

My personal opinion is that Bloomberg is going to win this battle, as the DNC is worried about such an open identification as the "socialist" party, while at the same time loving Mike's money. But I think the next few weeks are going to be astonishing to watch. How do you think is gonna play out?


money talks the loudest. and Trump would probably unravel knowing his fortune is peanuts compared to Bloomberg. i see Bloomberg taking the ticket.


I had a conversation with two Democrats last weekend on this very subject and they both feel that while Bloomberg would not be their choice in a typical election, they feel Trump is simply too dangerous to the republic to even take a chance on what they perceive to be a far left candidate in Bernie Sanders.

They both stated that if it comes down to Bernie and Mike Bloomberg, their support will go to Bloomberg. To give a small snapshot of their demographics, one is 67 years old the other 37....

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 09:43 AM
What about Biden & Buttigieg too - again, it’s the 4 B’s - money is an asset, not a shortcoming/liability for Blmbrg - right now I see it going his way mainly b/c of that

If Bernie won, at 79 he’d be the oldest to ever take office

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 10:16 AM
Trump and Bloomberg have bilaterally proven that you can buy the oval office.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 10:27 AM
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bold to open with the victim card. do you get attacked because of your values or because of your delivery? i think the answer is obvious.





Yes, it is. Quite obvious.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 10:34 AM
It’s been said JFK’s money went a long way toward his edging Richard Nixon in the 1960 election - was it also a factor in 2000 w/the equally-wealthy Geo. W. Bush

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 10:36 AM
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Money talks alright, often the loudest in political campaigns


And w/Trump v. Bloomberg, it's personal. Just witness the dueling tweets last week where Trump called Bloomberg "a 5'4" (wrong) low energy Jeb Bush" to which Bloomberg responded (correctly) "We know many of the same people in NY. Behind your back they laugh at you & call you a carnival barking clown. They know you inherited a fortune & squandered it with stupid deals and incompetence. I have the record & the resources to defeat you. And I will."

They had a "useful when necessary" relationship for years in NYC, but there's no question Bloomberg is smarter, richer, and more successful than Trump. He's more Independent than Democrat & he's admittedly flawed & isn't going to please every sector on every issue. If the goal is to eject Trump from the WH, Bloomberg is the one guy that can build a bigger better machine than Trump's and he can win if he can pull from GOPers who are dissatisfied w/his wanna be dictator mentality & preference for Russia's interests over those of the US.

Bloomberg is #8 on the Forbes 400 w/$54B; Trump is way down at #275 with a measly $3B most of which is based on inflated appraisals of real estate. Yeah, Mike scares DJT.




 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 10:39 AM
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Trump and Bloomberg have bilaterally proven that you can buy the oval office.
But Trump spent little of his own money, and about half of what Hillary spent in 2016. He got the media to give him endless free time.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 10:39 AM
I don't think Trump bought his way to the Presidency, more accurately you could say he bullied his way.

Now Bloomberg, he is buying all he can.

I think that does turn a good number of people off. Surely his first debate appearance the knives will be out for him from the candidates as well.

But then, the case could be made that with other large donors and corporations that contribute to a candidate, there comes an obligation to listen and fulfill some wishes of those donors and corporations. Bloomberg indeed is very corporate himself, but he isn't beholden to special favors that other candidates might be pressured to give back to their supporters.

I too think it is very fascinating. Part of me would like to witness a Bernie Sanders Presidency. But I think I could go along with a Bloomberg Presidency, I think it could go too far in some ways, but the Trump Presidency has gone too far in other ways. So it swings.

Bloomberg had two field offices in Ohio vandalized yesterday in Toledo and Youngstown (I'm near Youngstown). Signs reading 'Oligarch' and 'broken windows' 'broken homes' 'a billion dollars for a billion collars'. He is definitely not without controversy and distain within the Democratic base. I personally have no problem with stop and frisk or his tougher approaches on cracking down on crime. Naturally that isn't popular within the voting base he must now appeal to and he has to distance himself from it. I'd say just own it, say it is what worked at the time, but his position has changed on it. Don't apologize. Too many fake apologizes these days. Own what you did, say why you did it and if you don't believe in it now, fine.

Biden is perhaps the most qualified and experienced candidate and I think he would hold the office well, but in a campaign...there just isn't any "it" there.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 10:46 AM
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It’s been said JFK’s money went a long way toward his edging Richard Nixon in the 1960 election - was it also a factor in 2000 w/the equally-wealthy Geo. W. Bush


It goes a long way back - possibly to Adams Jr and to nitpick it was JFK's father's money (he gave the sons an equal amount at a certain age but kept his fortune to himself for influence) that edged out Nixon.

John Kerry was backed by Heinz money through his wife & he still lost to Bush money.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 10:58 AM
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I don't think Trump bought his way to the Presidency, more accurately you could say he bullied his way.


He certainly bullied his way to the GOP nomination, but my take is his NATIONAL TV celebrity - the Apprentice, Celebrity Apprentice, beauty contest franchises, cameo appearances on sitcoms (Sex in the City) - brought in a lot of voters who don't follow issues but do watch TV. His frequent appearances w/Howard Stern didn't hurt either.

 

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I don't think Trump bought his way to the Presidency, more accurately you could say he bullied his way.


He certainly bullied his way to the GOP nomination, but my take is his NATIONAL TV celebrity - the Apprentice, Celebrity Apprentice, beauty contest franchises, cameo appearances on sitcoms (Sex in the City) - brought in a lot of voters who don't follow issues but do watch TV. His frequent appearances w/Howard Stern didn't hurt either.


Have to agree. Offering just one example, my friend's wife never watched news or followed current events. She did watch a bunch of garbage TV shows however, went overboard with Trump and is a big fan now.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 03:34 PM
I don't want an oligarch in the Oval Office.

bloomberg has a lot of baggage that is coming out piece by piece.

I applaud him for attacking trump on twitter, giving trump an equal insult for every un-presidential tweet.

Dems need someone to punch the bully in the mouth, let mike do it for them.

I think it's good that he'll use his money to back whoever is the Dem. candidate however that will create a conundrum for Bernie who hasn't taken money from corporate donors.

I wonder what he'll do if offered the bloomberg machine and what the dnc will do this time to stop him, besides allowing bloomberg to buy his way in.

The talk of hillary as mike's VP is also something that could doom the ticket.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 05:05 PM
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The talk of hillary as mike's VP is also something that could doom the ticket.
I hadn't heard that. Hard to imagine Hillary's ego accepting the 2nd spot.

 

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I can not see Hillary Clinton emerging into this election at all. She will not be a VP pick and I do not think Bloomberg would even want her.

If he gets the nomination he will pick a strategic VP along gender or racial/ethnic lines with geography coming into play as well. I think a woman from the midwest would suit that ticket well. But so could a Latino or other minority...for sure it won't be another white guy - white guy ticket. The party focuses so much on gender and race to the point that people are already mad that the remaining candidates aren't diverse enough.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 06:47 PM
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Before the attacks start because I'm conservative, I just want to say I'm genuinely interested in how this is impacting the thoughts of those hoping to see a Dem unseat Trump this fall.


First of all, conservatives don't get to act like victims of attack anymore, ever again. The overt support for a President that attacks people on a daily basis has changed a lot of things forever...and there's an ownership there, whether conservatives like it or not. He is and always will be your boy. That's how it works.

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I've never seen a race with such vast differences. It fascinating and scary at the same time, given what it might mean for the future of our republic.

We have Bernie the avowed socialist, who seems to have the energy of a lot of people behind him at the moment, leading the field by most accounts.


While I do understand the Reagan Era leftover fear of communism and socialism, where this "danger" quickly fades is in the realization that there's no way Bernie could get a radical agenda through Congress. As long as Mich McConnell is in the Senate, there are no agendas for anyone. The era of agenda and a budget plan? Also over, forever. The core of what the Presidency is or once was has been permanently altered.

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Then we have Bloomberg, who's spending vast sums of his cash on buying a political machine to put him firmly in the race come Super Tuesday. He's blanketing the airways with ads in those states, luring staff from the other campaigns with 2-3x the salaries (plus promises of income thru Nov no matter what happens), buying internet influences, squeezing past recipients of his generosity for endorsements, and getting the DNC to change its rules via donations. Mike's fortune dwarfs Trump's many, many times over, and he's obviously not afraid to use it to promote his aims. (I'm fine with that by the way, as its his 1st amendment right)


This is America. Red, white and blue ain't got nuttin' to do with green. Money talks and money always wins.

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The contrast couldn't be more stark. Bernie's trying to be man of the people in the classic socialist way, promoting a path to new "rights" for the masses, paid for by the wealthy. Bloomberg is one of the wealthiest men to have ever lived, and looks to finance over his questionable authoritarian and racial issues of the past and just buy his way to the top job.


Authoritarian and racial issues of the past for any candidate have no bearing anymore. If those issues didn't and don't matter with Trump, then those issues don't matter with anyone else again, ever. Conservatives are the ones that have made that plainly clear. Again, own it.

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My personal opinion is that Bloomberg is going to win this battle, as the DNC is worried about such an open identification as the "socialist" party, while at the same time loving Mike's money. But I think the next few weeks are going to be astonishing to watch. How do you think is gonna play out?


Michael Bloomberg is worth $58 billion dollars.

In 2016, Clinton and Trump combined to spend $1.7 billion. Bloomberg can spend 55 times that and stay a billionaire.

He's already gone on record that he'll spend $600 million by Super Tuesday. That's 9x the amount that the DNC raised in all of 2019.

For every American that closely follows politics, there's plenty more that don't, but still vote. With endless amounts of money, Bloomberg can paint whatever picture he wants of himself. Hell, he can buy up all of Trump's debt, call it in and take everything from Trump Tower to Mar-a-Lago.

Ron already said it...oligarchy is next. Given America's worship of money over decades, this was the inevitable result. The billionaires are now using the money to just go and buy the power.

From here on out, get used to choosing your favorite billionaire.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 06:48 PM
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The talk of hillary as mike's VP is also something that could doom the ticket.
I hadn't heard that. Hard to imagine Hillary's ego accepting the 2nd spot.

Here we go again with HC talk. Anybody want to bet $100.00 that HC will take a #2 spot? I say no way does she end up as VP candidate. Step up to the plate if you think she'll be on a ticket. My winnings go to charity along with the winnings for someone betting that HC would enter the race as a candidate for prez.

 

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I don't think Trump bought his way to the Presidency, more accurately you could say he bullied his way.


He certainly bullied his way to the GOP nomination, but my take is his NATIONAL TV celebrity - the Apprentice, Celebrity Apprentice, beauty contest franchises, cameo appearances on sitcoms (Sex in the City) - brought in a lot of voters who don't follow issues but do watch TV. His frequent appearances w/Howard Stern didn't hurt either.


The Blue Team needs to accept that Hillary represented everything that millions of people hate about the left wing in America.

Millions of people don't like liberals. Millions of people hate what they see as leftism. There's millions of minds you will never change. Left wing solutions are not always the best solutions. "The American People" as a colloquialism is outdated and quaint. There is no longer a cohesive unit one could call as all Americans.

Millions of people voted for Trump because they hate liberals and hated Hillary. Simple, but true.

 

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I can not see Hillary Clinton emerging into this election at all. She will not be a VP pick and I do not think Bloomberg would even want her.

If he gets the nomination he will pick a strategic VP along gender or racial/ethnic lines with geography coming into play as well. I think a woman from the midwest would suit that ticket well. But so could a Latino or other minority...for sure it won't be another white guy - white guy ticket. The party focuses so much on gender and race to the point that people are already mad that the remaining candidates aren't diverse enough.


I would counter that the VP as an influence on a ticket is also an outdated notion.

Trump could have had a stuffed animal on a chair as a running mate.

Who in the hell is ever gonna remember Tim Kaine?

Big personalities, big money. That's all it takes now.

 

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The talk of hillary as mike's VP is also something that could doom the ticket.
I hadn't heard that. Hard to imagine Hillary's ego accepting the 2nd spot.

Here we go again with HC talk. Anybody want to bet $100.00 that HC will take a #2 spot? I say no way does she end up as VP candidate. Step up to the plate if you think she'll be on a ticket. My winnings go to charity along with the winnings for someone betting that HC would enter the race as a candidate for prez.


Hillary Clinton's political career is over, forever.

 

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I can not see Hillary Clinton emerging into this election at all. She will not be a VP pick and I do not think Bloomberg would even want her.

If he gets the nomination he will pick a strategic VP along gender or racial/ethnic lines with geography coming into play as well. I think a woman from the midwest would suit that ticket well. But so could a Latino or other minority...for sure it won't be another white guy - white guy ticket. The party focuses so much on gender and race to the point that people are already mad that the remaining candidates aren't diverse enough.


I would counter that the VP as an influence on a ticket is also an outdated notion.

Trump could have had a stuffed animal on a chair as a running mate.

Who in the hell is ever gonna remember Tim Kaine?

Big personalities, big money. That's all it takes now.


Bhawk, you're 100% on all counts.

Past indiscretions & wrong moves mean nothing today.

HRC IS NOT INTERESTED IN BEING #1 OR #2 ON THE 2020 DEM TICKET. She got the message people hate her more than they hate Trump. Anyone still talking about her as being viable in any way - including campaigning for or endorsing anyone - is stuck in 2016.

No one is interested in a woman anything in 2020.

Geography doesn't matter. Remember the theory that two southern white boys (Clinton/Gore) would surely lose?

Bloomberg's best bet if the VP candidate matters at all is a Former-GOP-turned-Independent.

The only oligarch to fear is Putin.


 

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I can not see Hillary Clinton emerging into this election at all. She will not be a VP pick and I do not think Bloomberg would even want her.

If he gets the nomination he will pick a strategic VP along gender or racial/ethnic lines with geography coming into play as well. I think a woman from the midwest would suit that ticket well. But so could a Latino or other minority...for sure it won't be another white guy - white guy ticket. The party focuses so much on gender and race to the point that people are already mad that the remaining candidates aren't diverse enough.


I would counter that the VP as an influence on a ticket is also an outdated notion.

Trump could have had a stuffed animal on a chair as a running mate.

Who in the hell is ever gonna remember Tim Kaine?

Big personalities, big money. That's all it takes now.


Bhawk, you're 100% on all counts.

Past indiscretions & wrong moves mean nothing today.

HRC IS NOT INTERESTED IN BEING #1 OR #2 ON THE 2020 DEM TICKET. She got the message people hate her more than they hate Trump. Anyone still talking about her as being viable in any way - including campaigning for or endorsing anyone - is stuck in 2016.

No one is interested in a woman anything in 2020.

Geography doesn't matter. Remember the theory that two southern white boys (Clinton/Gore) would surely lose?

Bloomberg's best bet if the VP candidate matters at all is a Former-GOP-turned-Independent.

The only oligarch to fear is Putin.




I would add Jeff Bazos as possibly one other oligarch to fear....Amazon is quickly becoming one of the most powerful corporations in the world given all the sectors of various economies throughout the world its quickly expanding into. All of which is mostly under the control of one man. And his name isn't Putin.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2020 at 09:18 PM
TV ads. followed by more TV ads. Anyone here watching and paying attention?


What does Bloomberg stand for?

 

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  posted on 2/16/2020 at 06:42 AM
Not that it really matters, and I am sure I will be corrected, but wasn't Bloomberg a Democrat then a Republican and switched to an Independent at one point in his political career ?

[Edited on 2/16/2020 by jszfunk]

 

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