Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread >Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: Manchester bombing intel leak

True Peach





Posts: 10677
(10702 all sites)
Registered: 4/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/25/2017 at 04:28 PM
Are leaks like this out of self interest to the leaker(s) or would you say it is intentional to create problems for the administration?

quote:
US leak of Manchester attacker's name strikes new blow to intelligence sharing

Naming of Salman Abedi by ‘US officials’ hours before it was announced by UK authorities is latest in series of leaks that may damage credibility with allies

David Smith in Washington and Ewen MacAskill in London

Tuesday 23 May 2017 16.20 EDT
Last modified on Thursday 25 May 2017 09.34 EDT

American officials have been criticised for leaking the identity of the Manchester bomber before British police officially named him.

Salman Abedi was identified in media reports that attributed “US officials” as the source even as their British counterparts remained tight-lipped.

The disclosures renewed concerns over leaks from Donald Trump’s administration two weeks after the US president revealed classified information, apparently from Israel, to Russia’s foreign minister in a White House meeting. Critics warn that US allies may be less willing to share intelligence in the future.

Although UK journalists had Abedi’s name, the UK government and Greater Manchester police declined to confirm it more than two hours after it appeared in the US press. Earlier in the day, the government indicated it might not release the name at all on Tuesday because the investigation was continuing.

On Monday night, a correspondent for America’s ABC network tweeted: “Leading theory is Manchester was a suicide bomber, US senior law enforcement official briefed on the investigation tells @ABC.”

On Tuesday, CBS and NBC were quick to name the suspect believed to have blown himself up following an Ariana Grande concert at Manchester Arena as 22-year-old Salman Abedi. The Reuters news agency, an international organisation with headquarters in London, also published the name, citing “three US officials”, before British police made it public.

The Trump administration’s apparent indiscretion seems likely to cause consternation in London and could raise questions about future cooperation in the long term.

Thomas Sanderson, director of the transnational threats project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies thinktank in Washington, said the disclosures would be irritating to the British. “Suddenly you’ve got 10,000 reporters descending on the bomber’s house when maybe the police wanted to approach it more subtly,” he said.

Sanderson warned of ill judgment and lack of discipline in the White House. “This is a leaky administration. What does that mean for sharing information we need to going forward? The UK and Israel are probably our two biggest sources of intelligence. Now they’re thinking, ‘Is this going to cause us damage every time we share?’ Then you have to calculate every piece of information.”

Perry Cammack, a fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, added: “I don’t think in and of itself this episode will do lasting harm; I sense this was a miscommunication. But the context is that we’re in the midst of a political crisis in Washington of the first order. The institutions are leaking at an unprecedented rate. It feels like things are under stress here.”

Asked if the UK would be less willing to share information in future, Cammack, a former state department official, replied: “I hope we’re not at that point yet and I suspect we’re not. There are broad relationships that are personal in many cases but I’m sure people are paying attention. It is happening in the context of quite a turbulent time in Washington and, if it goes on indefinitely, there is some scope for partners to reevaluate the integrity of information.”

Frustration in the UK was expressed by professor Lawrence Freedman, who was a member of the official inquiry into the Iraq war. “US seems to have been passing stuff from last night to their journos. It will get to the stage where UK officials will stop sharing,” he tweeted.

Freedman, professor of war studies at King’s College, London, was asked in a tweet why the US would have disclosed the name. Freedman replied: “An American colleague suggests simple indiscipline. Showing off what they know.”

In spite of Freedman’s warning that the UK might withhold information in the future, it is unlikely as the UK is the main beneficiary of the intelligence-sharing relationship.




quote:
President Trump calls for DOJ investigation into alleged Manchester leak
[ABC News]
ALEXANDER MALLIN
ABC NewsMay 25, 2017

President Trump on Thursday called for a Department of Justice investigation into an alleged leak of British intelligence information from its investigation into the Manchester bombing.

In a statement sent out upon his arrival at the NATO Leaders Summit in Brussels, President Trump called the alleged leaks -- which he says were from "government agencies" -- "deeply troubling."

"These leaks have been going on for a long time and my Administration will get to the bottom of this," Trump said. "The leaks of sensitive information pose a grave threat to our national security."

President Trump to meet leaders of NATO, which he once called 'obsolete', in Brussels

Angry UK to confront Trump on leaks as NATO leaders meet

Trump: 'I never mentioned' Israel to Russian officials in Oval Office meeting

U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May said she would be confronting Trump directly at the summit following the publication of forensic photographs from the site of Monday night's bombing in the New York Times, subsequently published elsewhere including ABC News.

It is not clear where the photos came from.

The episode follows last week's revelation that Trump personally divulged highly classified information in an Oval Office meeting with the Russian Foreign Minister that could have compromised an Israeli intelligence asset.

White House officials have said the leaked details of that meeting by intelligence officials are similarly under investigation. Trump denied that he mentioned Israel in the conversation and said he had an "absolute right" to reveal the information.

His national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, said that the president did not reveal intelligence sources or methods.

President Trump said should the individual who leaked the Manchester photographs to the New York Times be found, they "should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

"There is no relationship we cherish more than the Special Relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom," the president said.

In a statement, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said he shared the president's concern and had already been in contact with British Home Secretary Amber Rudd Wednesday.

“These leaks cannot be tolerated and we will make every effort to put an end to it," Sessions said. "We have already initiated appropriate steps to address these rampant leaks that undermine our national security.”

The CIA and Office of the Director of National Intelligence have not responded to ABC News' request for comment.

 
Replies:

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 47022
(47023 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/25/2017 at 08:57 PM
quote:
Are leaks like this out of self interest to the leaker(s) or would you say it is intentional to create problems for the administration?



I'd think they were leaked to stoke fear by an Administration that is clearly intent on banning Muslims from entering the U.S.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3373
(3372 all sites)
Registered: 10/5/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/26/2017 at 04:24 AM
Why invite jihad here? Its not worth the risk.

 

____________________

 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 10677
(10702 all sites)
Registered: 4/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/26/2017 at 07:08 AM
This thread is poised to go off the rails.

It wasn't just the name of the terrorist it was forensic photos published in the NYT that were also leaked.

I don't believe this is easily pinned on somebody in the administration wanting this information out there for some reason or another. Not everyone that is a "US official(s)" has been hired or appointed by the current administration anyway so not everyone in the government could potentially be motivated as suggested.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 47022
(47023 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/26/2017 at 07:17 AM
quote:
Why invite jihad here? Its not worth the risk.



But, you'd let the 9/11 hijackers in again, right?

I thought you didn't want Muslim countries mad at us?

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 47022
(47023 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/26/2017 at 07:19 AM
quote:
This thread is poised to go off the rails.

It wasn't just the name of the terrorist it was forensic photos published in the NYT that were also leaked.

I don't believe this is easily pinned on somebody in the administration wanting this information out there for some reason or another. Not everyone that is a "US official(s)" has been hired or appointed by the current administration anyway so not everyone in the government could potentially be motivated as suggested.



How many people you think got that particular set of pics and info directly from British intelligence? C'mon now.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 10677
(10702 all sites)
Registered: 4/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/26/2017 at 07:27 AM
quote:
quote:
This thread is poised to go off the rails.

It wasn't just the name of the terrorist it was forensic photos published in the NYT that were also leaked.

I don't believe this is easily pinned on somebody in the administration wanting this information out there for some reason or another. Not everyone that is a "US official(s)" has been hired or appointed by the current administration anyway so not everyone in the government could potentially be motivated as suggested.



How many people you think got that particular set of pics and info directly from British intelligence? C'mon now.


I would assume there is a normal flow-chart of sorts with intel sharing and then disseminated to a number of US security professionals to better analyze, corroborate and assist to the best extent possible. NSA, FBI, CIA...

quote:
The UK and US are among the closest intelligence partners in the world, with the UK’s surveillance agency, GCHQ, sharing information with the NSA, MI6 with the CIA, and MI5 with the FBI. But the lines are not rigid and information is often shared more widely.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/25/uk-police-stop-passing-info rmation-to-us-over-leaks-of-key-evidence

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 47022
(47023 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/26/2017 at 07:30 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
This thread is poised to go off the rails.

It wasn't just the name of the terrorist it was forensic photos published in the NYT that were also leaked.

I don't believe this is easily pinned on somebody in the administration wanting this information out there for some reason or another. Not everyone that is a "US official(s)" has been hired or appointed by the current administration anyway so not everyone in the government could potentially be motivated as suggested.



How many people you think got that particular set of pics and info directly from British intelligence? C'mon now.


I would assume there is a normal flow-chart of sorts with intel sharing and then disseminated to a number of US security professionals to better analyze, corroborate and assist to the best extent possible. NSA, FBI, CIA...

quote:
The UK and US are among the closest intelligence partners in the world, with the UK’s surveillance agency, GCHQ, sharing information with the NSA, MI6 with the CIA, and MI5 with the FBI. But the lines are not rigid and information is often shared more widely.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/25/uk-police-stop-passing-info rmation-to-us-over-leaks-of-key-evidence



It's always fascinating who gives who the benefit of whatever doubt.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 10677
(10702 all sites)
Registered: 4/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/26/2017 at 07:32 AM
quote:


It's always fascinating who gives who the benefit of whatever doubt.


...And who doesn't

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 47022
(47023 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/26/2017 at 07:39 AM
quote:
quote:


It's always fascinating who gives who the benefit of whatever doubt.


...And who doesn't



There's been active sentiment on the Red Team to paint all Muslims as terrorists since the smoking gun would be a mushroom cloud. There's no way that plays into it now, when the Red Team has more political power than ever? Wish I was that optimistic.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 10677
(10702 all sites)
Registered: 4/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 5/26/2017 at 07:45 AM
I am not beyond blaming anyone for ulterior motives. Trump or people on "his team" have been quick to call things terrorism in the past before all the facts were not known. So I will concede they are not above trying to capitalize on some event to further an agenda. I'm not seeing that in this case.

I wonder how many leakers there actually are. Are they the same ones doing it? Are there new ones that decide to start leaking? It is kind of fascinating to know how it works or on what scale it is, but so disturbing and troubling at the same time.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20559
(21025 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 6/6/2017 at 04:26 PM
Michael Moore is starting something called Trumpileaks. I cannot imagine what will be coming out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-im-launching-trumpileaks-a-letter-f rom-michael-moore_us_5936949ae4b013c4816adee7

Ya can't make this stuff up folks. Well somebody could, but we don't do that.


https://michaelmoore.com/TrumpiLeaks

Remarks: Ohhhh whippin' post!

[Edited on 6/6/2017 by gina]

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 
 


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software

Privacy | Terms of Service | Report Infringement | Personal Data Management | Contact Us
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com