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  posted on 1/17/2017 at 11:33 PM
If you can't beat them, why not join them...and work to use the opportunity to make your case and work towards issues that are important to you that the President may not be aware of? Some would rather fight and deny and accomplish what exactly? Too bad more aren't of Palomarez's mindset.

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Javier Palomarez, President and CEO of the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a stern critic of President-Elect Trump throughout the 2016 presidential campaign has now taken on the role as advisor to Donald Trump’s national diversity coalition.

Palomarez waved the flag in calling Trump’s rhetoric anti-immigrant and anti-Latino. Although in a recent interview, he said, “Our association is going to respect the process and respect the will of the people. We’re going to do everything we can to help the new administration move this country forward. I am very enthused and encouraged by the progress so far.”

The president-elect’s attorney, Michael Cohen said that he has been asking Palomarez to serve as an advisor for some time. He feels that Palomarez strength is Latino outreach. Cohen feels his outreach as well as the number of members of the USHCC can assist to dispel the notion that president-elect Trump is anti-Hispanic.

In this position, Palomarez is responsible to help the new administration understand the Hispanic Market and American small business. “We will gladly step up and do our job and do our fair share to ensure that we’re helping to move the American economy and the American people forward”, he said, ”If that means being part of the coalition that my friend Michael Cohen has put together, then I will gladly serve in that capacity.”

There has been some backlash for Palomarez’ decision to join Trump’s national diversity coalition. He has received numerous death threats including people from his own community. He has also been viewed as a “race traitor” and forgetting Latinos and what he stands for.

People who are opposed to Trump and confused about why Palomarez, who is the voice of millions of business owners and many chamber of commerce in the U.S. would support Trump.

President of the Latino Victory Fund, Cristobal Alex, feels that Palomarez is making a big mistake. “You’re providing a cover for Trump and standing with his administration and his policies to deport us, to take health care away from us", said Alex, “You can’t be paying lip service to the Trump administration. He ran his whole campaign attacking us and promising to deport us.”

Palomarez feels no other person has worked harder against the president-elect. He said that he could be like others and get angry, or stand in a corner and stomp his feet or he can get busy and work with the reality of Donald Trump as our 45th President of the United States.


 
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  posted on 1/18/2017 at 09:41 AM
I love the smell of subservience in the morning.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2017 at 03:14 PM
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I love the smell of subservience in the morning.


You believe that protesting and fighting would be a better course of action for the causes and issues that Mr Palomarez cares about?

Instead he gets a seat at the table to occasionally bend the ear of Trump, perhaps have some influence in a way that Palomarez thinks could be positive for the positions he cares about.

Is that somehow a bad thing?

I guess some do, the man has received death threats. Nothing new, just the world we live in today.

The guy called Trump a clown just a handful of months ago. He is no fan. But he took an opportunity to voice opinions to the President and he put personal feelings aside to work towards a greater goal. People like him should be applauded, not threatened with death.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2017 at 11:20 AM
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I love the smell of subservience in the morning.


You believe that protesting and fighting would be a better course of action for the causes and issues that Mr Palomarez cares about?

Instead he gets a seat at the table to occasionally bend the ear of Trump, perhaps have some influence in a way that Palomarez thinks could be positive for the positions he cares about.

Is that somehow a bad thing?

I guess some do, the man has received death threats. Nothing new, just the world we live in today.

The guy called Trump a clown just a handful of months ago. He is no fan. But he took an opportunity to voice opinions to the President and he put personal feelings aside to work towards a greater goal. People like him should be applauded, not threatened with death.


This is the first time in 30 years where there is no Latino or Democrat on a Cabinet, which hey, fine, them's the breaks. You win, you get to pick who you want working for you. Even with the intense roadblocks and questions on The Hill this week, Trump most likely will get all of his Cabinet confirmed.

But, it's high time, IMO, that people let go of this notion that there is any longer any place for discussion and compromise and agreeing to disagree. Those days are over. The American Right has no intention whatsoever of taking actions other than furthering their agenda by way of damaging or eliminating wherever they can the tenets of American Liberalism/Progressivism. The left has been identified as enemies of the country for 25 years now. It's all right there to see. It's all very well documented. Everyone doesn't want the same things and everyone is most certainly NOT interested in what's best for the whole of the country.

It's only going to get worse.

Now, respectfully, this idea that one must capitulate and accept subservience to people that despise and wish to eliminate one's entire set of beliefs, to people that consider you an enemy...that, is a ridiculous expectation.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2017 at 12:34 PM
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This is the first time in 30 years where there is no Latino or Democrat on a Cabinet, which hey, fine, them's the breaks. You win, you get to pick who you want working for you. Even with the intense roadblocks and questions on The Hill this week, Trump most likely will get all of his Cabinet confirmed.

But, it's high time, IMO, that people let go of this notion that there is any longer any place for discussion and compromise and agreeing to disagree. Those days are over. The American Right has no intention whatsoever of taking actions other than furthering their agenda by way of damaging or eliminating wherever they can the tenets of American Liberalism/Progressivism. The left has been identified as enemies of the country for 25 years now. It's all right there to see. It's all very well documented. Everyone doesn't want the same things and everyone is most certainly NOT interested in what's best for the whole of the country.

It's only going to get worse.

Now, respectfully, this idea that one must capitulate and accept subservience to people that despise and wish to eliminate one's entire set of beliefs, to people that consider you an enemy...that, is a ridiculous expectation.




A Palomarez quote from CNN story "To me, you don't change the dialogue until you have a dialogue," he said.

After reading your post I suppose we should just prepare for civil war then?

There are millions of Hispanic/Latino owned and operated businesses in this country...does that peg fit into the the American Right or American Liberalism/Progressivism hole? I don't think you would confuse the views on illegal immigration with some kind of implication that Republicans somehow want to eliminate all these businesses and would rejoice at the wound it would create in our economy? Or maybe you are just talking big picture? We can talk big picture, there are stark differences left vs right yes, I believe there is still areas of middle ground as well...call me foolishly optimistic if you want.

Here I was talking about a specific person joining the opponent to try and promote ideas and views that are important to them – to leave behind the differences and look towards the common ground. That seems like a worthy thing to do, like a selfless thing to do, like an American thing to do. Sure protesting and fighting could be viewed as American too. To me one seems more productive than the other. Guess we can agree to disagree if that still has place to do so.

Whatever Palomarez ends up doing, or however long he ends up staying with the Trump team to advise, his willingness to bury the hatchet and try to work constructively with an opponent gives me greater respect for him. And unless it is purely for show, which you might think it is, I think it is a favorable view of the Trump team to reach out and include a critic and rival. You, apparently feel differently, which is ok as well.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2017 at 08:01 PM
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A Palomarez quote from CNN story "To me, you don't change the dialogue until you have a dialogue," he said.

After reading your post I suppose we should just prepare for civil war then?


No. What I see happening is that the divide will continue to deepen, thus thickening the bubbles and people retreating further into those bubbles. The like-minded will continue to gather together. Those who don't want to bother or fear any kind of reprisal will stay quieter than they already are.

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There are millions of Hispanic/Latino owned and operated businesses in this country...does that peg fit into the the American Right or American Liberalism/Progressivism hole? I don't think you would confuse the views on illegal immigration with some kind of implication that Republicans somehow want to eliminate all these businesses and would rejoice at the wound it would create in our economy?


I'm around a lot of right wingers all the time. The pejoratives and adjectives all revolve around the word "Mexican." The new President a few months ago suggested that a Federal judge of Hispanic heritage should be recused from a civil case. I'm not so sure any of them give a damn about those businesses. The Republicans in affluent, mostly white suburbs care that much about a Mexican grocery or bakery in the city? Really?

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Here I was talking about a specific person joining the opponent to try and promote ideas and views that are important to them – to leave behind the differences and look towards the common ground. That seems like a worthy thing to do, like a selfless thing to do, like an American thing to do. Sure protesting and fighting could be viewed as American too. To me one seems more productive than the other. Guess we can agree to disagree if that still has place to do so.


There is no turning the other cheek in politics. There just isn't. Palomarez appears to be the only Latino in any way connected to the Trump administration so far, as an "advisor." Is there no onus on anyone else to be inclusive?

Again, this is what the left has done way too much of over the years. They always bend, always capitulate, won't double down, fight back to a point and stop. Then, they apologize and hope to make nice with, in this case, a man who referred to millions of people as murderers and rapists. Shut up and take it, Mexicans! Deal with it, lefty!

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Whatever Palomarez ends up doing, or however long he ends up staying with the Trump team to advise, his willingness to bury the hatchet and try to work constructively with an opponent gives me greater respect for him. And unless it is purely for show, which you might think it is, I think it is a favorable view of the Trump team to reach out and include a critic and rival.


This would mean more to me if it were not for this statement from the story:

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Cohen feels his outreach as well as the number of members of the USHCC can assist to dispel the notion that president-elect Trump is anti-Hispanic.


That's not a motive of inclusion, nor does it signal an initiative to help Latin-Americans. It's a move to make Trump look better by saying "Hey, we asked a Mexican guy for his input. Whattaya want from us?"

 

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  posted on 1/19/2017 at 11:32 PM
Unfortunate, but point taken on the road we are on in terms of divisiveness. Which everyone knows we are divided, hopelessly divided at that...which really I think makes a case of an opponent joining a political foe more noteworthy. I thought more might see it that way as well. But too many on both sides prefer to fight and what does that end up yielding?

Is it just for show? Palomarez has alot to lose in that situation, unless he is angling in some future in a Republican administration. Which after publicly backing Clinton this fall and the backlash he has been subjected to would seem unlikely. Is it a good look for Trump to have him around? On surface yes, just like meeting with Martin Luther King III. But why would these people want to be used as a prop if they didn't think they could achieve something positive that they care about?

I think Republicans in Washington care about minority owned businesses. I think they care about entrepreneurs no matter what their back ground or race is. Do the people in the burbs care about it...most probably do not.

Most people in the burbs don't care about the inner city either. Jim Brown's Amer-I-Can group had a pre-inauguration party in DC tonight. Brown supported Clinton. But now the only choice to help the cause he cares about is to try and have influence with the Trump administration. Trump has talked about inner city investment and helping the black community even after the election was over.

I think some people feel there is some opportunity with Trump. I know Palomarez must be disappointed that the Sec of Ag position didn't go to Abel Maldonado. And of course you noted the lack of Latinos in the cabinet. I am happy that some opponents are taking the position of trying to have influence with the administration rather than fighting it. I thought more people might feel that way, but seems you and I are the only one that cares to levy an opinion. Everyone busy off fighting.

 
 


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