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  posted on 9/15/2016 at 09:05 AM
I am framing and hanging some of my albums and am also trying to track down a few others I don't have but would like to hang.

Is Gov't Mule Dose LP rare and hard to find? Nothing on ebay. I see the first self titled album has been reissued.

Neil Young Weld, for all thousands of Neil Young records on ebay there just 1 copy of Weld listed and it is expensive...so I'm guessing this one is a hard one to find as well? Also found it strange that 21 of the 24 listings for Ragged Glory were from outside the US.

Smashing Pumpkins original press of Siamese Dream brings good money too I see, lot's of reissues out on that one, but it has a different color cover which I don't like much.

I don't know much about buying records. Most of what I have wanted to buy has been found for under $10, but obviously some are more rare than others.


 
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  posted on 9/15/2016 at 09:13 AM
Dose has never been reissued and is hard to find and extremely expensive. It would be miraculous to find a copy for under $100. The very first presses were cut on red vinyl and the gatefold were signed by Warren, Woody and Matt...those are impossibly hard to find and bring $400+
 

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  posted on 9/15/2016 at 09:30 AM
The market for vinyl sure is peculiar. I do think that there were more European pressings (legit and otherwise) during that time period.

I find most reissues overpriced, but they are often the only option for many late 80s/early 90s albums. There just weren't that many pressed. I don't remember any of the music stores around me at the time, including those in college towns, selling much new vinyl by 1990.

I believe Dose is occasionally repressed on vinyl, but in small numbers. I think Smashing Pumpkins do the same thing-I have a nice reissue of Gish that has the original artwork, and it was less than $20 at the time.

I usually stick to eBay and local options, but Discogs has some (incomplete) pressing information and a marketplace geared towards music obsessives

Good luck, and keep us updated!

EDIT: I may be wrong about the occasional Dose reissue, but I'm not sure. Too bad this is 9 years out of date:

http://mule.net/extended-discography/

[Edited on 9/15/2016 by aekdbmoid]

 

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  posted on 9/15/2016 at 09:47 AM
Here are the frames I am using:
http://wholesale.frameusa.com/shadow-box-frames/frame-an-album

If you buy over $100 worth, your order qualifies for wholesale pricing shown on that link.

There was another company dedicated to album frames, some different options, but they were not made in USA which I like to buy that way.

 

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  posted on 9/15/2016 at 09:53 AM
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GOV’T MULE – Dose
Evil Teen Records {under license from Capricorn} – ETR 10011-1
Copyright: 1998 release August
Notes: Signed and Numbered Limited Edition of 500 with Art Print. Signed in gold on inside gatefold. Contains I Put a Spell On You {5:05} not available on the domestic CD or Cassette.
Gatefold/Picture Sleeves/Clear Red Vinyl

GOV’T MULE – Dose
Evil Teen Records {under license from Capricorn} – ETR 10011-1
Copyright: 1998 release August
Notes: Standard vinyl release (1500 copies) contains I Put a Spell On You {5:05} not available on the domestic CD or Cassette.
Gatefold/Picture Sleeves/Black Vinyl


So there were ever only 2000 total copies of Dose pressed? That will be tough to find.

How about a 12 x 12 album slick like record stores used to have? I could tell people it is the album LOL.

 

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  posted on 9/15/2016 at 09:58 AM
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Dose has never been reissued and is hard to find and extremely expensive. It would be miraculous to find a copy for under $100. The very first presses were cut on red vinyl and the gatefold were signed by Warren, Woody and Matt...those are impossibly hard to find and bring $400+


Equally hard to find is signed Life Before Insanity on the green vinyl. I fortunately got both from my wife when they came out as Christmas presents. The last one was signed a few weeks before Allen's death. I wasn't sure I would get that one. Sure do miss his playing.

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  posted on 9/15/2016 at 10:30 AM
Try "MusicStack"
 

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  posted on 9/15/2016 at 04:41 PM
Yeah...2000 total copies of Dose. I have a black vinyl pressing, it's near mint and sounds amazing. I've only seen the red 1st 500 press twice ever...would have loved to have it but man was it pricey. As luck would have it, I do own one of the first 500 of LBI on translucent green vinyl. Really nice piece with the autographs...man I miss Capn Al
 

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  posted on 9/16/2016 at 06:21 AM
I was fortunate enough to find both Dose and Life Before Insanity on vinyl after they were out of print. I can't remember where I got them but it might have been from HTN.

Anyway, Mule was here in Chicago at a record signing thing. I took my Life Before Insanity copy with a green Sharpie since that's the color of the album.

I go through the line to get autographs and both Warren and Matt looked at it like they had never seen it before.

 

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  posted on 9/16/2016 at 09:16 AM
I bought Dose and Life Before Insanity from Mule.net back in 2002 or 2003.
Hard to believe they lasted that long if there were only 2000 copies of Dose printed.

 

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  posted on 9/16/2016 at 12:20 PM
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Try "MusicStack"


That is a good resource I can use thanks. And my local record shop closed several years ago, but there are others within ok driving distance to check out. I have an upcoming trip as well, I may map out some record stores on the way.

A couple of my favorite CDs from guys like Santana (Fillmore East) and Luther Allison (Live in Chicago) aren't on vinyl best I can tell. Can't find my most favorite Albert King's "Blues at Sunset" on LP (not the more common Blues at Sunrise). I really want to hang up a copy of Weld, that album was so huge for me in high school and still to this day. I would maybe pay decent for Dose, but not close to what I'm seeing at some places online which is several hundred dollars. I was picking the ones that had the biggest impact on me, being ones I still listen to and are my most favorites. Some bands will just have 1, some might have 2, 3 or the ABB will probably have 6 I'm thinking.

 

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  posted on 9/28/2016 at 09:17 AM
People try and sell the Dose album for $400!

This one sold on ebay for $44 in August.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Govt-Mule-Dose-2-LP-1998-Evil-Teen-/262571720507?ha sh=item3d227e7f3b:g:U38AAOSwIgNXq2MO

Too bad I didn't start looking then.

Went to a couple record stores around town and was in Charlotte went to a couple down there. Repo records south of downtown is pretty nice place, lots of stuff well organized and decent price. Went to Lunchbox as well. Less used vinyl there, more new stuff. Kind of a hipster type area and store, but found a few items there. My local Record Connection has good stuff, but they have so much stuff that is not out on the shelves and priced yet. Went to one thrift store type place, a little hit and miss there.

I did buy Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream original pressing for about $50, black vinyl. Seems the colored vinyl is what brings the bigger bucks. $50 is about average going rate for the black vinyl.

Now, I'm buying all these records to frame the covers, but I don't really want to lock the records up on my wall. I need to find some blank cardboard covers to store the records in. Anyone know anything about something like that? I haven't really looked yet.

 

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  posted on 9/28/2016 at 10:12 AM
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People try and sell the Dose album for $400!

This one sold on ebay for $44 in August.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Govt-Mule-Dose-2-LP-1998-Evil-Teen-/262571720507?ha sh=item3d227e7f3b:g:U38AAOSwIgNXq2MO

Too bad I didn't start looking then.

Went to a couple record stores around town and was in Charlotte went to a couple down there. Repo records south of downtown is pretty nice place, lots of stuff well organized and decent price. Went to Lunchbox as well. Less used vinyl there, more new stuff. Kind of a hipster type area and store, but found a few items there. My local Record Connection has good stuff, but they have so much stuff that is not out on the shelves and priced yet. Went to one thrift store type place, a little hit and miss there.

I did buy Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream original pressing for about $50, black vinyl. Seems the colored vinyl is what brings the bigger bucks. $50 is about average going rate for the black vinyl.

Now, I'm buying all these records to frame the covers, but I don't really want to lock the records up on my wall. I need to find some blank cardboard covers to store the records in. Anyone know anything about something like that? I haven't really looked yet.



Besides Ebay and Amazon, try bagsunlimited.com. They specialize in collection storage. They'll probably have more options than you knew existed.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2016 at 03:10 PM
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People try and sell the Dose album for $400!

This one sold on ebay for $44 in August.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Govt-Mule-Dose-2-LP-1998-Evil-Teen-/262571720507?ha sh=item3d227e7f3b:g:U38AAOSwIgNXq2MO

Too bad I didn't start looking then.

Went to a couple record stores around town and was in Charlotte went to a couple down there. Repo records south of downtown is pretty nice place, lots of stuff well organized and decent price. Went to Lunchbox as well. Less used vinyl there, more new stuff. Kind of a hipster type area and store, but found a few items there. My local Record Connection has good stuff, but they have so much stuff that is not out on the shelves and priced yet. Went to one thrift store type place, a little hit and miss there.

I did buy Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream original pressing for about $50, black vinyl. Seems the colored vinyl is what brings the bigger bucks. $50 is about average going rate for the black vinyl.

Now, I'm buying all these records to frame the covers, but I don't really want to lock the records up on my wall. I need to find some blank cardboard covers to store the records in. Anyone know anything about something like that? I haven't really looked yet.



Kinda missed the point there. The signed ones referenced above were signed by all 3 members and special color vinyl. You won't be seen any Allen Woody signatures anymore sadly...

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  posted on 9/29/2016 at 09:33 PM
There are black vinyl Dose copies (unsigned) on Amazon market place for over $400! That is crazy!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000009DRK/ref=tmm_vnl_used_olp_sr? ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=1475202424&sr=1-1

I messaged with somebody on ebay that supposedly bought three as "an investment" for $25 each and said he sold them all for around $400. Didn't say those were signed. If they were, would the original price on those been $25?

 

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  posted on 10/13/2016 at 08:11 PM
Beware of vinyl hunt website. They gave me a link for a record store north of Pittsburgh that has been closed for 8 years and when I was in Charlotte another for a store in Statesville that is closed. Fortunately I did find a few records at a used store not too far away.
 

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  posted on 10/14/2016 at 02:50 PM
Vinyl site I use ti check values and post the of what I have. They have a TON of vinyl but even they dont have many Dose's

https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=215108&ev=mb&format=Vin yl

 

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  posted on 10/14/2016 at 03:11 PM
Cheapest one is $640? I would sell mine for less than that. Wow!

 

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  posted on 11/16/2016 at 02:02 PM
So I have been starting to hang the albums. I am keeping the actual records unframed so I can play them. I got some blank jackets that I just made some quick labels for with song info and pressing/release info.

I will post some pictures of the wall when I get a little further. You guys will like it.

Question...I got my record player back out and have been listening to some records....

1. How can you tell if it is time for a new needle and cartridge? My player uses a P mount type.

2. Does anyone have a cheap-to-expensive record cleaning machine and if so care to recommend one? I have some records that I think would sound alot better if I knew how to clean them (all I have now is some little brush thing with felt on it that just takes dust off).


Thanks. Will post pictures in a couple weeks.

 

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Does anyone have a cheap-to-expensive record cleaning machine and if so care to recommend one? I have some records that I think would sound alot better if I knew how to clean them (all I have now is some little brush thing with felt on it that just takes dust off).


Thanks. Will post pictures in a couple weeks.


All I ever did was blow on them, then maybe run that brush over them

Will look forward to the pictures one day, sounds like a cool project.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2016 at 04:19 PM
The best method that I have ever seen is to use wood glue. I was amazed at the results. It is time consuming and of course the cost of the glue but works really well at eliminating noise and crackles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpL0HDIFOW4

I personally would not use it near my turntable like the video does but you get the point.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2016 at 04:50 PM
I've got some colored vinyl with autographs.
Don't own a "phonograph" so I got the autographs on the colored vinyl itself.
They always are a conversation piece when people see them.

Steve Miller on blue vinyl
George Thorogood on green vinyl (Christmas songs)
J. Geils on red vinyl (Bloodshot Album)

And Danny and Jorgen (Govt Mule) on yellow vinyl (By a Thread)
hopefully I'll get Warren and Matt too at some point

Also on black vinyl Patrick Simmons and Tom Johnson (Doobie Bros)

 

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  posted on 11/16/2016 at 05:13 PM
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The best method that I have ever seen is to use wood glue. I was amazed at the results. It is time consuming and of course the cost of the glue but works really well at eliminating noise and crackles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpL0HDIFOW4

I personally would not use it near my turntable like the video does but you get the point.


Wow...never would've thought. What an idea!

 

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  posted on 11/16/2016 at 07:08 PM
I was shocked when a friend first showed me this years ago.

Obviously won't fix skips/scratches but as for the crackles and hiss, it virtually eliminates them. If the album is real bad then sometimes doing it twice works. But usually once is a charm.

The trouble for me is that I own way too many albums to do this for them all.

I took an old Beatles album of my buddy's who was skeptical and the look on his face the following day was priceless.

It went from virtually unlistenable to sounding almost brand new.


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  posted on 11/17/2016 at 02:21 PM
I know I posted this someplace around here but anyway....

...I have a copy of Life Before Insanity. Green. I had Warren & Matt sign it. The cover anyway. The bass player from The Black Crowes was with them at the time but I didn't have him sign it because he wasn't on the album. Nice guy though.

 

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