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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 02:48 PM
[quotelead to that kind of hostility


no hostility man, you just stepped on a third rail and got some sparks, it is nothing, I tried to tell you i was ok on it and why I react so

also @marly - it wasnt holt - i said "retard" - my bad, i just can't say things like "r word" or "n word" - if you gotta say it just say it

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 03:01 PM
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Not sure its better, comparing apples and oranges.

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Not apples & oranges at all imho - good mention, surprised it wasn’t previously as a live album closely rivaling AFE - in my book - some might like it better, bomb
Ten Years After’s live ones, Undead, Live at the Fillmore & Stonedhenge - they do too, for me, along w/others

Would also have to mention Mountain’s The Road GoesnEver On
It rivals AFE/Peach alright - adoration
But it sure can’t top it

[Edited on 4/6/2020 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 03:07 PM
Yes as to Van Halen, the Roth lineup was first and it was disappointing when he left and the band didn't seem to be as fun and loose (in a good way).

Early Rush for me too but after Neil Peart joined.

All the girls I knew years ago didn't care for Fleetwood Mac before Stevie Nix and Journey before Steve Perry and Doobie Brothers before Michael McDonald. But Greeny Fleetwood Mac is more my thing.

But the last lineup of the ABB playing Statesboro Blues, Liz Reed, Whipping Post, Blue Sky, Jessica, etc better than Duane Allman and Berry Oakley and the Chuck Lamar lineup for Jessica or Southbound blows my mind!!! Maybe I didn't have an open mind the times I saw the last lineup because I didn't hear it that way. Is there any old gans my age (73) out there like me?

And please I am NOT saying the last lineup was like the Mike Lawler David Toler lineup. The last lineup, Warren Woody, Jack Otiel and Chuck Lamar had some smoking shows that I saw.


Here is the Chuck Leavell version of the band smoking hot for example. Jaimoe red hot too.

https://youtu.be/gekvzbk4SRM

[Edited on 4/6/2020 by blackey]

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 03:12 PM
One thing to consider: I know for sure AFE was not overdubbed. Not the case with most of these albums. SRV's Live Alive is not good and it's an abomination to be the only official live release of such a great band. El Mocambo and the two ACL's were released as DVD's but not CDs and so are not on the streaming services.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of the others discussed here were heavily worked on in the studio. I've always heard that Waiting for Columbus, an album i love and listen to all the time.

The whole topic is ultimately silly, because if you like LF more than the ABB, it would follow you'd like that album better.

How do you compare Albert King to Van Halen? Coltrane and Miles to Peter Frampton. Bob Seger to the ABB? Just listen to what you love and retitle the thread - some of your favorite live albums, alongside AFE.

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 03:16 PM
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Lee what are you talking about? That hard to find Derek Trucks show is better that The Allman Brothers Band At Fillmore East????? The hell you say.

I know what you are. You are a huge Derek Trucks fan!! If Derek Trucks hadn't played in the Allman Brothers, you wouldn't be an ABB fan of any degree. Lee is an ABB fan as long as the line up has Derek Trucks in it. Otherwise it's not what floats his boat.

By the way Lee...Bob Seger Live Bullet and Bruce Springsteen Live is WAY better than Derek Trucks Back Yard Tracks Live!! Way better.

Oh and so is At Fillmore East by THE Allman Brothers Band.

In my book you just crossed over from boring, lonely and probably on the spectrum to just a pompous dick. Who are you to act like you're the judge of who's a real fan and who isn't? Lee has been here since 2002 and he's a true fan and a good guy. (And not especially a Derek guy from what I remember.) You showed up here long after most fans left the party and you have the nerve to act like you're everybody's boss and Allman Brothers teacher. You're not surrounded by kids who don't know the band. The posters who are still here saw dozens or hundreds of ABB shows for decades. And if that weren't bad enough, YOU'RE BORING. Thread after thread you give the same lecture about the original band, which 99.9% of fans like the best - and maybe people have been too nice to clue you in, but almost every story you tell about the band was repeated in a million interviews, articles, and books. It's stuff practically everyone here knows already. It's one thing if you're going to be dull, but if you're going to be dull and judgmental, get lost.

On the other hand acting like "I've got you pegged, YOU'RE a Derek Trucks fan" is some kind of insult at the Allman Brothers website is pretty funny.

[Edited on 4/4/2020 by Marley]


Thanks Marley! I agree with everything you said.

Okay Blackey:

Not that I should have to prove my devotion to the ABB but what the hell. I'll bite on your childish comments.

Do I think any of the live albums I mentioned better than LAFE? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on one's opinion. That was my point. So maybe someone here doesn't think that anyone can disagree with your point of view. That's a shame. I do think LAFE is one of the greatest live albums ever btw.

Why you claim I don't like LAFE or Eat A Peach (where did EAP enter the discussion?) is beyond me. In fact, I would be willing to make a gentlemen's bet that I have both releases in more formats than you. Vinyl, cassettes, CD, even a few 8 tracks. Imports, everything from Europe, South America, Japan (do you know what an OBI strip is?). Also have a real to real. Very hard to find.

Regarding Derek:

You sound like a kid in a schoolyard playground throwing insults around. I saw the ABB six years before he even joined the band. In fact, for the first four I had never even heard of the guy. So that shoots down your theory there. I actually liked him best in The dTb but that ship has obviously sailed. Marley's memory is correct; I was never in love with the guy. Great addition but not my favorite. Oh, you said Live Bullet and Bruce are better than Derek Trucks Back Yard Tracks. I would agree. Do you have the Derek CD?

I've spent literally thousands of dollars following this band. Traveled all over the country to see them. Can't say I am old enough to have seen the original band. So what?

If you are old enough to have done so, that is really cool. But if so, I would hope that you would be mature enough to carry on civil dialogue with anyone who may disagree with you.

Finally, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band are the best live band ever!


 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 03:52 PM
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One thing to consider: I know for sure AFE was not overdubbed.


Was not "You don't Love Me" sewn together from two shows? Maybe not "overdubbed" but sure as Hell not original.

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 03:56 PM
Lee this is getting confusing. I have some Seger and Bruce Springsteen albums but I don't think it's better than the Derek Truck hard to find release. I like listened to many of the tracks on that site. But Bruce is like Jimmy Buffet. One of the greatest live shows ever.

Yeah I'm 73 years old and was out there for several original band shows and that is what grabbed me and it was never the same after Duane for me but that doesn't mean I didn't get lit up by other ABB lineups including the last lineup. I actually thought the MSG show was powerful and I figured the original guys would approve.

I'm beginning to think some of my impressions of you may be confused with some anonymous Emails I received. One said the MSQ show, and they had seen lots of ABB shows, was the best and most powerful they had ever attended. It was a powerful night. Everyone on stage was inspired and determined to honor the band's legacy by playing those wonderful songs the best they could. I was impressed and inspired. But without Gregg's vocals it was the best??? Oh well I must begin to relax and realise there are ABB fans who like other lineups better than the original.

After all, the band's fan base tripled when Brothers and Sisters came out and they never saw Duane. But a lot of that left by 1976. In the south Lynyrd Skynyrd became bigger than the ABB in 1974 until the planecrash. They have sold more records too but actually that has nothing to do with what you dig. If I was just impressed with record sales then today I would be listening to Hip Hop. I think I did use the Platinum status of Fillmore East and Eat A Peach to give an edge to the original lineup but that was wrong to do. And the Chuck Lamar band had the biggest selling ABB album. So much for that theory

If we are ever at the same show again and I live a little longer I'd like to shake your hand and be friends. That care and be safe. I have to go to the grocery store but I have latex gloves now and finally found a mask. And Kroger requires 6 feet apart and one way aisles starting today.

Peace and stay safe to all here!

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 04:05 PM
BIGV. It's In Memory of Elizabeth Reed. What you hear on Fillmore East is one show to Duane's solo then Duane's solo and the drum break and the end is from a different show.

I was surprised when Tom Down admitted that. Tom said Dickey and Duane's best solos on that song were on different shows and since it's an instrumental piece he wanted to make that splice there.

He also spliced out Thom (Ace) Douchett's harmonica solo on Stormy Monday. So when Berry Oakley says at the end of the song " Brother Gregg Allman singing the blues. Duane, Dickey and Ace playing the blues", Tom faded Oakley out before he can say Ace.

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 04:10 PM
Liz Reed was spliced by Tom Dowd. Years later he realized that he spliced the same version to itself. A s;ice, but not a splice
You Don't Love me WAS spliced from 2 shows. I think it was after the Duane solo, when everyone dropped out, before Dickey started
and Stormy Monday had Doucette cut out, like you mentioned. If I remember it was put back when the quadrophonic version came out

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 04:18 PM
Okay stormyrider. Thanks. I only remember the Dowd interview where he claimed Dickey and Duane's solos are from different shows. He was mistaken.

But Gregg always said they did NOT do any overdubs and often, years ago, would claim other bands did so many repairs in the studio that the only thing live on the album is the audience

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 04:35 PM
The Dead did many overdubs on E72
Vocals on I know you Rider
Cumberland Blues
Others I can’t remember

The liner notes on Waiting for Columbus delux cd mention Lowelldid a few overdubs

I agree that a splice is an alteration but not the same as an overdub
Ymmv

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  posted on 4/7/2020 at 07:15 AM
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Jszfunk,

I had a similar experience in the late 90s with 2 students I had, juniors in high school who were very driven musicians, one on guitar and one in bass. Their idols were Rush. These 2 guys lived for music and philosophy, so I was blessed to have them in an English class. All I needed to do was make any lesson contest to Rush, and they were hooked.

At any rate, we finally got into it one day, when I explained that I felt the “Exit Stage Left” album was Rush’s peak, with the studio albums leading up to that being their best studio work. After “Signals,” I explained, that’s where I became less interested.

This was the exact opposite of their take!!! They felt it wasn’t until the Mid 80s that Rush really got it right, and that the band keep getting better after that.

Go figure.


Yeah, it is kinda crazy isn't ?! I have a brother in law who is like that, just more of an 80's synth era Rush guy. I am guilty of that too with some acts. I am gonna tie that into another idea I have for a thread.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2020 at 08:22 AM
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I wonder if there are people who became Lynyrd Skynyrd fans in the 90's and 2,000's who are mostly interested in the later lineups and aren't big fans of the band when Ronnie was alive?


Funny you bring that topic up. I work with a guy that's about 7-8 yrs younger than me and really only knew and got into the Hagar era of VH. He was asking me questions about Roth and those releases. Good Grief!!!


True when a "Rebirth" of a band takes place... Fleetwood Mac comes to mind immediately. It is what it is....

Always an interesting discussion; the "legitimacy" of which is incredibly subjective. Skynyrd can exist with one original member, the Who with two, the Brothers had three. But ask a Beatles fan if McCartney & Ringo were to re-group with two newbies if that could be the Beatles and the answer is a resounding NO.


Aerosmith, definitely had a "Rebirth" in the mid to late 80's for sure. I still really enjoy and like a lot Done with Mirrors, but Permanent Vacation really put them back on the map for sure.

 

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