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Author: Subject: Black Lives Matter Movement "Summer of Chaos"

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  posted on 7/13/2016 at 03:08 PM
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The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin


That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.


Quite different. Comparing a few people to a nationwide movement.


If you say so. Say, that movement and the calls for dead cops thing, is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


The demonstration where they chanted it occurred in New York City on December 13, 2014, and after that demonstration they put up their demands/goals of what they wanted from the New York City Police Dept. in terms of reforms. They wanted to tell them what changes they felt were needed and what THEY wanted implemented. I do not think any group has the right to dictate to the police of any city HOW they should conduct themselves and do their jobs. If they wanted them to take a look at some policies they felt were unfair, that is reasonable, but they wanted to DEMAND and DICTATE their changes, they are not in the position to be able to do that as they are just civilians. Law Enforcement takes into consideration many things before issuing policies and they make adjustments as necessary especially with respect to community policings, so if you bring it up to their attention that they are being heavy handed to certain groups in certain communities, okay they should look at that objectively and make revisions if necessary; but it is not for any group to make demands and demand implementation of their demands.

From the December 13, 2014 protest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB4w7z1nqPk


More recently they have protested chanting "pigs in blankets, let them fry". They are disrespectful of law enforcement, they do not want to obey what they are told to do by any law enforcement officer. Most people understand even when you do not agree with a cop (who may be crooked or wrong), he is the one with the authority and you have to comply. You can fight or sue them later, but at the time, you have to comply or you are obstructing justice.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2016 at 03:53 PM
They're just begging for a fight by declaring that they want peace.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2016 at 06:00 PM
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neither did i......thats why i deleted it......lol.....sorry.....misread progression


it was very possible that I had smoked way too much at the time and was confused as usual. thanks for clarifying!

 

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  posted on 7/13/2016 at 07:02 PM
sometimes life is taken too seriously.....we confuse are perceptions of the world with our perceptions of a general daily life. are the 2 tied together? yes....are they not tied together? yes......enjoy what is around you and hope the big picture stays sane.


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  posted on 7/13/2016 at 10:31 PM
A made in China hat? Cool....

 

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  posted on 7/14/2016 at 06:55 AM
There's a type-o, should be "Grate" ;-)

 

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  posted on 7/14/2016 at 08:19 AM
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There's a type-o, should be "Grate" ;-)


http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=141988

 

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  posted on 7/14/2016 at 06:04 PM
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Tough to separate the Chicago violence from law enforcement shootings. When lawlessness is thriving it is feeding into a culture of animosity and hostility to all people, and the police are on the frontt lines of having to deal with many characters raised in this blockhead mentality in many high crime areas. Add illegal immigrants flooding into the country not all want to wash dishes or pick my fruits and vegetables. Another example of the breakdown of law and order was on full display in the san jose trump rally.




Ah yes, all those scary immigrants in San Jose that have made San Jose the 6th safest big city in America. Terrifying really!

http://www.cbsnews.com/media/the-9-safest-cities-in-america/5/


I'll let you know, firsthand. I will be spending a week out there in a couple of months at a convention.

also ordered this for my trip:




Hopefully, that will cover up the point.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2016 at 06:07 PM
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There's a type-o, should be "Grate" ;-)


http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=141988


Promoting your own thread. How Trumpish of you.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2016 at 06:15 PM
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There's a type-o, should be "Grate" ;-)

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=141988

Promoting your own thread. How Trumpish of you.

 

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  posted on 7/28/2016 at 02:31 PM
For all those who oppose BLM:


Dear fellow white people, let’s have an honest talk about why we say “All Lives Matter.” First of all, notice that no one was saying “All Lives Matter” before people started saying “Black Lives Matter.” So “All Lives Matter” is a response to “Black Lives Matter.” Apparently, something about the statement “Black Lives Matter” makes us uncomfortable. Why is that?

Now some white people might say that singling out Black people’s lives as mattering somehow means that white lives don’t matter. Of course, that’s silly. If you went to a Breast Cancer Awareness event, you wouldn’t think that they were saying that other types of cancer don’t matter. And you’d be shocked if someone showed up with a sign saying “Colon Cancer Matters” or chanting “All Cancer Patients Matter.” So clearly, something else is prompting people to say “All Lives Matter” in response to “Black Lives Matter.”

Many of the people saying “All Lives Matter” also are fond of saying “Blue Lives Matter.” If you find that the statement “Black Lives Matter” bothers you, but not “Blue Lives Matter,” then the operative word is “Black”. That should tell us something. There’s something deeply discomfiting about the word “Black.” I think it’s because it reminds us of our whiteness and challenges our notion that race doesn’t matter.




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  posted on 7/28/2016 at 03:01 PM
Hahaha- succinct. Feel like I'm at a bullfight, and the toreador is waving his red cape at the bull... in this case: MULEKLAN.
 

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  posted on 8/3/2016 at 09:39 AM
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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
they want.
YOU just K, K, Kant help yourself.


But I walk the walk. I currently have 11 people working for me. Three are white males.
Go figure that one out.

 

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
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YOU just K, K, Kant help yourself.

But I walk the walk. I currently have 11 people working for me. Three are white males.
Go figure that one out.

What is your point? By the way, I have been married twice, never to a white male. Go figure that one out.

 

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
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YOU just K, K, Kant help yourself.

But I walk the walk. I currently have 11 people working for me. Three are white males.
Go figure that one out.

What is your point? By the way, I have been married twice, never to a white male. Go figure that one out.


Pretty simple. Does that look like an employee roster of a racist? Of the 11, five are black.
I could have an all-white staff if I wanted to.

 

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
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YOU just K, K, Kant help yourself.

But I walk the walk. I currently have 11 people working for me. Three are white males.
Go figure that one out.

What is your point? By the way, I have been married twice, never to a white male. Go figure that one out.


Pretty simple. Does that look like an employee roster of a racist? Of the 11, five are black.
I could have an all-white staff if I wanted to.

LOL. That's as laughable as the "I'm not racist because I have some black friends" line of reasoning. And for the record I'm not saying you are racist, and I don't think you are at all.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2016 at 12:33 PM
No need for defense. Just because you are conservative doesn't mean liberals automatically assume you are a racist. At least decent liberals. There are plenty of racists of every political stripe. Liberal racists are the worst because often they don't know it. You have never said anything racist here.
 

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  posted on 8/4/2016 at 12:41 PM
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No need for defense. Just because you are conservative doesn't mean liberals automatically assume you are a racist. At least decent liberals. There are plenty of racists of every political stripe. Liberal racists are the worst because often they don't know it.


In the spirit of the thread, doesn't a lot of it have to do with how the phrase is heard and processed according to a person's personal biases?

Some hear "Black Lives Matter" at face value. Others seem to hear it as "Only Black Lives Matter."

Wonder why that is?

 

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  posted on 8/4/2016 at 12:59 PM
Honestly gave up on that one. Don't know why people jump to the Only Black Lives Matter idea. The fact that the phrase had to be invented at all shows the given assumption that it means Black Lives Matter Too. Or Black Lives Matter As Much As Other Lives. You feel set upon, persecuted, marginalized, you say things like "hey, I matter." No big mystery there.

It's a necessary movement, part of the black power struggle of the late 20th-early 21st century. It is flawed, and pretty stupid and racist in some ways, like that whole global black solidarity thing, will never happen. It is still part of a positive process of change for American blacks. We have short memories, slavery was only several generations ago, gonna take a while to process.

 

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Honestly gave up on that one. Don't know why people jump to the Only Black Lives Matter idea. The fact that the phrase had to be invented at all shows the given assumption that it means Black Lives Matter Too. Or Black Lives Matter As Much As Other Lives. You feel set upon, persecuted, marginalized, you say things like "hey, I matter." No big mystery there.

It's a necessary movement, part of the black power struggle of the late 20th-early 21st century. It is flawed, and pretty stupid and racist in some ways, like that whole global black solidarity thing, will never happen. It is still part of a positive process of change for American blacks. We have short memories, slavery was only several generations ago, gonna take a while to process.

It's not a new concept. memphis, 1968:

 

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  posted on 8/4/2016 at 03:37 PM
Am reading a really good breakdown of the MLK assassination right now, written by James Earl Ray's defense lawyer. The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. by Dr. William F. Pepper, Esq. Just came out 2016. Exhaustive, decades of research, looks like a government hit. And nothing to do with racism or civil rights. King was starting to make noise about Vietnam, and also was expanding his mission to a general class concern, with a poor people's march scheduled to swamp DC, and was going to run for president in 1968 with Dr. Benjamin Spock. He was becoming a serious political threat.

Not wild-eyed, very methodical and just plain disturbing.

 

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Am reading a really good breakdown of the MLK assassination right now, written by James Earl Ray's defense lawyer. The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. by Dr. William F. Pepper, Esq. Just came out 2016. Exhaustive, decades of research, looks like a government hit. And nothing to do with racism or civil rights. King was starting to make noise about Vietnam, and also was expanding his mission to a general class concern, with a poor people's march scheduled to swamp DC, and was going to run for president in 1968 with Dr. Benjamin Spock. He was becoming a serious political threat.

Not wild-eyed, very methodical and just plain disturbing.

Read it. Also read the book James Earl Ray wrote, Who Killed Martin Luther King, and the Hampton Sides book, Hellhound On His Trail. Of them all the Hampton Sides book is the most detail, fact filled, and credible account of the events.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2016 at 07:37 PM
Thanks for the leads. Will probably skip James Earl Ray's book, as I don't see how he could know much, unless he indeed was the shooter. Hellhound looks good, from summary looks like it implicates James Earl Ray. Pepper maintains Ray did not pull the trigger. Will be interesting to compare the two.
 

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No need for defense. Just because you are conservative doesn't mean liberals automatically assume you are a racist. At least decent liberals. There are plenty of racists of every political stripe. Liberal racists are the worst because often they don't know it.


In the spirit of the thread, doesn't a lot of it have to do with how the phrase is heard and processed according to a person's personal biases?

Some hear "Black Lives Matter" at face value. Others seem to hear it as "Only Black Lives Matter."

Wonder why that is?


Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up.
This thing has gone too far.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2016 at 07:10 AM
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Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up.
This thing has gone too far.


It is a racist statement, but how racist? Where on the scale does it fall? I would say on a scale of 1-100, 100 being the KKK, "All Lives Matter" would be on the bottom half, something not overtly racist, but has a racist undertone. There's no reason to say it unless you have a problem with black people stating that their lives matter. Someone on the bottom rung of the racist ladder would not have a problem hearing blacks state "black lives matter" in response to what has been happening for decades. It seems like an understandable reaction considering the videos that emerged. Some on the higher rungs seem to be bothered with it.

saw this online that makes a great point: Now some white people might say that singling out Black people’s lives as mattering somehow means that white lives don’t matter. Of course, that’s silly. If you went to a Breast Cancer Awareness event, you wouldn’t think that they were saying that other types of cancer don’t matter. And you’d be shocked if someone showed up with a sign saying “Colon Cancer Matters” or chanting “All Cancer Patients Matter.” So clearly, something else is prompting people to say “All Lives Matter” in response to “Black Lives Matter.”

 
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