Thread: Black Lives Matter Movement "Summer of Chaos"

gina - 7/9/2016 at 02:23 PM

That's right, they have plans and you ain't gonna like them.

"Black Lives Matter leader Deray McKesson had two of his email accounts hacked recently … [They] showed that they are planning to create massive unrest during this election period in something they call the “Summer of Chaos”.

The leaked documents show that Soros-embraced Black Lives Matter wants to create so much chaos that martial law will be instituted and the elections cancelled. Chaos is the goal in order to destabilize the populace. "

The hackers released some private messages between Deray McKesson and BLM activist, Samuel Simyangwe, where they discuss how they have 10,000 people ready to be bussed into Cleveland for the Republican National Convention to cause so many problems that they will shut it down.

https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2016/07/08/jubilee-jolt-pre-planned-le aked-summer-chaos-begins-dallas.html

https://www.intellihub.com/operation-summer-of-chaos-obama-admin-black-live s-matter-plan/


REMARKS: It is extraordinary how a movement of people who are represented by poor, minority, disenfranchised people have the same goal as the power elite. To shut down what is in place now so that some other form of governance can be put in place. Is the BLM movement a covert militia for the govt. ? They know if they totally shut down cities, martial law will be implemented, but that does not scare them. Why not?

What is clear is that Dallas is just the beginning, I saw reports on Bill O'Reilly's show and also Chris Matthews show that indicated that "sophisticated bomb making materials" were found at the Dallas shooters home. This was not just some pissed off person who went and bought a rifle and went out shooting in a crowd. He was also a veteran, served in Afghanistan but nobody thought he had a stress disorder from that.



Stephen - 7/9/2016 at 03:18 PM

Yep the demon is free alright -- latest attack, a black person shot & killed by police -- was on radio this AM, didn't hear where -- he had a gun, wouldnt put it down when told to so they opened fire etc etc

The best story in last day or so -- posted on Yahoo of a pride of lions in Zimbabwe Africa -- stalking & killing a group of human poachers --

They Were Absolutely In The Right, Obviously -- they're the lowest of the low, poaching bastards -- the pride knew what they were up to -- their lives or ours

No Different w/People -- the Black Panthers of the 1960s fought back, that is what is happening now & it looks to me like the Watts/Detroit type riots of the 1960s>Rodney King riots & on, is next, w/the plans for shutting down the RNC etc etc

violence -- hatred -- bigotry -- all because of the color of one's skin -- it shows how underdeveloped the human brain is


alloak41 - 7/9/2016 at 03:30 PM

The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
they want.


bob1954 - 7/9/2016 at 03:54 PM

quote:
The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what they want.

What would you have them do, accept the status quo? The BLM movement hasn't killed anyone. Would America have been better off if SCLC, SNCC, or CORE never existed? Did they make things worse? Or did they effectively draw attention to injustices that were accepted in our society?


Stephen - 7/9/2016 at 04:06 PM

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What would you have them do, accept the status quo? The BLM movement hasn't killed anyone. Would America have been better off if SCLC, SNCC, or CORE never existed? Did they make things worse? Or did they effectively draw attention to injustices that were accepted in our society?


That's how I see it as well


rmack - 7/9/2016 at 05:37 PM

quote:
The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
they want.


Translation - they should know their place.


playallnite - 7/9/2016 at 09:00 PM

When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution is unevitable.


jkeller - 7/9/2016 at 09:01 PM

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Noun, verb, race card.


Noun, verb, Obama insult, Or you could always post another demeaning cartoon.


playallnite - 7/9/2016 at 09:23 PM

In most western societies police are there to de-escalate the situation, in america you have to de-escalate the police.


jkeller - 7/9/2016 at 09:37 PM

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In most western societies police are there to de-escalate the situation, in america you have to de-escalate the police.


Oh, really?


playallnite - 7/9/2016 at 09:47 PM

Oh, really?




Remember Ferguson, Mo.? Cops showed up like they were in Fallujah,Iraq.Too much overkill by most PD's


jkeller - 7/9/2016 at 10:07 PM

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Oh, really?




Remember Ferguson, Mo.? Cops showed up like they were in Fallujah,Iraq.Too much overkill by most PD's




Yeah, because the criminals they bust are unarmed, right? In too many cases these days the police are outgunned. Too many people who are armed walking the street. I guess police officers should just learn to deal with dying on the job so they don't look like a military force.


playallnite - 7/9/2016 at 10:20 PM

Mike Brown wasn't armed- the officer who shot him claimed that his size made him feel like a child? Walter Scott was not armed when the officer shot him in the back. I could go on- What this is about is how racism is enshrined within this society and it's been so since day one. White men are not being shot down in the street for selling CD's or loose cigarettes or child support or for having toy guns or samurai swords or for broken tail lights etc.


jkeller - 7/9/2016 at 10:28 PM

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Mike Brown wasn't armed- the officer who shot him claimed that his size made him feel like a child? Walter Scott was not armed when the officer shot him in the back. I could go on- What this is about is how racism is enshrined within this society and it's been so since day one. White men are not being shot down in the street for selling CD's or loose cigarettes or child support or for having toy guns or samurai swords or for broken tail lights etc.



Two cases in the thousands of confrontations that the police face everyday. Are all police officers perfect? No. Are there some that shouldn't be police officers? No doubt. But on a day to day basis, the police show more restraint than you or I would.

BTW, at the Dallas protest, the decision was made not to wear body armor or have personnel carriers in order to show that the police wanted a peaceful demonstration and would do nothing to antagonize the protesters. That resulted in 5 officers getting killed. Had they should up in body armor, based on what you have said, you would have found fault with them for showing up like they were in Fallujah.


gondicar - 7/10/2016 at 12:50 AM

Whats been happening lately has been happening for decades, the only thing different is video.


alloak41 - 7/10/2016 at 12:17 PM

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Mike Brown wasn't armed- the officer who shot him claimed that his size made him feel like a child? n c.



Unarmed, but he didn't want to stay that way. Try to grab a cops gun or any other piece of equipment
and things might not work out too well for you, no matter what color you are.


alloak41 - 7/10/2016 at 12:28 PM

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what they want.

What would you have them do, accept the status quo?


If they really wanted right the situation, maybe it would be more beneficial to convey a message
that it's always a good practice to comply with the police. It may seem unfair at the time and you
may have to swallow a little pride, but chances are you don't get injured. On the other hand,
threatening to kill cops, destroying property, shutting down roadways, ect not the best approach IMO.
I would imagine MLK would agree with me.


JimSheridan - 7/10/2016 at 01:51 PM

We've been hearing that people need guns to fight back against tyranny.


Bhawk - 7/10/2016 at 01:52 PM

It really is amazing that those who carry on the most about too much government in their lives have no issue with the military arm of the state doing whatever it wishes.


BoytonBrother - 7/10/2016 at 02:01 PM

Exactly. When gun control is proposed, the right says - don't you dare take away my right to bear arms to fight back against a tyrannical gov't. But when dark colored folks use that same philosophy, "how irresponsible and foolish". People need to remember that the term "racist" and "racism" has varying degrees, so when it's brought up, nobody is accusing anyone of hating someone b/c of the color of their skin, but rather pointing out that some may be much higher on the scale than others. This disgusting position I described in my first 2 sentences describe people too high on the scale - not as high as the KKK, but too high.


Rusty - 7/10/2016 at 02:32 PM

Not meaning to be a dick here, just pondering: is there an organization or system that reports the activity in gun sales? I'd be willing to bet that there'll be a run on gun stores this week. I AM JUST SAYIN'! ):


Bhawk - 7/10/2016 at 05:03 PM

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Not meaning to be a dick here, just pondering: is there an organization or system that reports the activity in gun sales? I'd be willing to bet that there'll be a run on gun stores this week. I AM JUST SAYIN'! ):


Going by the Googles, those stats are cross-correlated and reported on an annual basis, with the benchmark being the number of FBI background checks performed, with each check equalling one purchase. Those are done electronically, so the FBI probably has a good measure pretty quickly, but they are only required to publicly report those numbers annually. Amount of firearms manufactured also figures in.

The FBI, DOJ and ATF combine different reports to draw conclusions, but all agencies freely declare that they have no idea how many transactions occur outside the background check process, which they estimate to be around a third of total transactions.

There's usually a run after any type of mass shooting or perceived imminent action on gun control or possible confiscation.

Here's the NRA's own chart...



Here's an article from Time on gun sale spikes: http://time.com/4138559/gun-sales-san-bernardino-mass-shooting/


gina - 7/10/2016 at 07:17 PM

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
they want.


It started with that march thru Manhattan to the Brooklyn Bridge where 10,000 black lives matter members, supporters marched while some chanted "what do we want? And the rank and file answered "dead cops", "when do we want them?" "Now".

When any group launches an attack on police officers, what can they do? They stood there humiliated and powerless because they had their orders. Then when the group got to the Brooklyn Bridge and staged a "die in" where they lied down and pretended to be dead some of them were removed, some were arrested, some scuffles occurred. This is different than MLK's marches. he wanted people to be judged on the basis of their character not their color. BLM is promoting that they want to be recognized, rewarded and given the treatment they dictate because of their color. It is like militant racism. They do not want equal rights, it's like the quota system known as affirmative action, hire people on the basis of their race or ethnicity because you have to hire a certain percentage of people in different groups. That should not have happened. The most qualified person no matter what their color should be hired. When you institute quotas, quality does not exist.

BLM went to the Mall fo America with the intent to disrupt the shoppers and if they could have, they would have shut the mall down. If they had protest marches with dignity people might want to listen to them. As it is now, they are seen as out of control people with a mob mentality (the here we come, you will listen to us and do as we say because there are more of us than you). Nobody wants that.

These are from protests in NYC. The signs are professionally made, makes you wonder who is actually behind the movement and what their goals are.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/UI/Front/MultimediaInner.aspx?NewsContentID=232 847&newsportalname=Multimedia




gina - 7/10/2016 at 07:18 PM

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what they want.

What would you have them do, accept the status quo? The BLM movement hasn't killed anyone. Would America have been better off if SCLC, SNCC, or CORE never existed? Did they make things worse? Or did they effectively draw attention to injustices that were accepted in our society?


Work from within the systems that need changing. It takes longer, but that is how change has to happen, unless you want cities, governments taken down, martial law, and then hope for a good change after that.


bob1954 - 7/10/2016 at 08:31 PM

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what they want.

What would you have them do, accept the status quo? The BLM movement hasn't killed anyone. Would America have been better off if SCLC, SNCC, or CORE never existed? Did they make things worse? Or did they effectively draw attention to injustices that were accepted in our society?

Work from within the systems that need changing. It takes longer, but that is how change has to happen, unless you want cities, governments taken down, martial law, and then hope for a good change after that.

That sounds nice but it doesn't always work that way. Sometimes working from within the system isn't enough. Do you think the Voting Rights Act would have been enacted in 1965 without the direct action by students during Freedom Summer or Bloody Sunday and the march to Montgomery? Do you think Lyndon Johnson could have gotten the votes, or would have even tried to, without the actions of the civil rights protesters? No, we would still be waiting.

If the BLM Movement makes you uncomfortable that's a good thing. You should be uncomfortable. Until enough people are dissatisfied with the status quo things will never change. And, unfortunately, the status quo is that all too often people are treated differently because of their race. And in law enforcement that can have deadly results.

alloak is correct when he says that everyone should humble themselves and simple follow orders when dealing with the police. Most black parents have had "the talk" about this with their teen sons. But if alloak grew up in an environment where his father was in prison on a drug charge, many of his friends had been subjected to abuse of power, where he was looked at as a probable perp on a daily basis, he would probably understand a little better that regardless of what you are taught to do if your experience teaches you that the police are the enemy then your survival instincts are going to drive you to flee.

This is a complex problem that is woven into our nation's fabric. Our history is built on a foundation of racial inequality, and although progress has been made the underlying problem hasn't changed much. Just look at how many states moved quickly to enact new laws to inhibit minority voting as soon as the Supreme Court rolled back the provisions of the Voting Rights Act a few years ago. My state of NC led the way.

Most cops are good cops. Some are not. All have a difficult job and often find themselves in danger. Their first priority should be to protect themselves. No one is arguing that. But statistics consistently show that civilians are treated differently by the police based upon their race or ethnicity. This needs to change. It doesn't help that wrongful deaths of unarmed civilians by the police are rarely prosecuted and seldom result in convictions. The advent of smart phones and social media have made this harder to ignore.

It would go a long way toward resolving this issue if the blue wall of silence was broken down. Police departments need to shift their thinking from protecting bad cops to making sure that bad cops are prosecuted and their departments have "clean hands". If the black community had confidence that abuses would not be tolerated there would be no need for the BLM Movement. There are many things that need to change by everyone involved, but nothing will happen by simply trying to "work within the system" as Gina suggests or simply "following orders" as alloak says. It just isn't that simple.


BrerRabbit - 7/10/2016 at 09:37 PM

Man, you are on fire! Nice op-ed there. Much as folks malign the Whipping Post, it really can shine.

My coping strategy has been to attempt to understand. Strangely coincidental with this summer's events, I collected these books for a self-taught 20th Century Black Struggle course:

Native Son - Richard Wright (1940)

Invisible Man - Ralph Ellison (1947)

Autobiography of Malcolm X - as told to Alex Haley

Soul On Ice - Eldridge Cleaver

The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. - Dr. William F Pepper Esq. (this just came out 2016, by James Earl Ray's lawyer)

(p.s. haha, will get back to you next year or so if/when I actually finish all this. )





[Edited on 7/10/2016 by BrerRabbit]


alloak41 - 7/11/2016 at 07:51 PM

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If the BLM Movement makes you uncomfortable that's a good thing. You should be uncomfortable. Until enough people are dissatisfied with the status quo things will never change. And, unfortunately, the status quo is that all too often people are treated differently because of their race. And in law enforcement that can have deadly results.



If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?

Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.





[Edited on 7/11/2016 by alloak41]


LeglizHemp - 7/11/2016 at 07:59 PM

The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin


Bhawk - 7/11/2016 at 08:15 PM

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How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?


That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


Bhawk - 7/11/2016 at 08:16 PM

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The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin


That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.


LeglizHemp - 7/11/2016 at 08:24 PM

sovereign citizen movement?


alloak41 - 7/11/2016 at 09:13 PM

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The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin


That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.


Quite different. Comparing a few people to a nationwide movement.


LeglizHemp - 7/11/2016 at 09:18 PM

that, alloak, encapsulates the whole thing. its only one group causing this.....not the other.

thanks for making that point.


alloak41 - 7/11/2016 at 09:23 PM

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that, alloak, encapsulates the whole thing. its only one group causing this.....not the other.



Whatever that means.


LeglizHemp - 7/11/2016 at 09:32 PM

sovereign citizen movement vs black lives matter..........some say there is a difference. they may be right about that......but for the wrong reasons. peacefully protesting and shutting down a freeway vs armed takeover of federal property. there are enough examples of the differences to write a book.

does that clear things up?


alloak41 - 7/11/2016 at 09:44 PM

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How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?


That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.


Bhawk - 7/11/2016 at 09:45 PM

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The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin


That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.


Quite different. Comparing a few people to a nationwide movement.


If you say so. Say, that movement and the calls for dead cops thing, is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


Bhawk - 7/11/2016 at 09:48 PM

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How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?


That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.



So, you were lying. I figured that already.


alloak41 - 7/11/2016 at 10:31 PM

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How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?


That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.



So, you were lying. I figured that already.


Not intentionally, no. Only if measuring against one of the different yardsticks you use, depending on the situation apparently.


alloak41 - 7/12/2016 at 12:17 AM

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The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin


That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.


Quite different. Comparing a few people to a nationwide movement.


If you say so. Say, that movement and the calls for dead cops thing, is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


Let's pose another larger question from the opposite angle. Say, that racial bias thing, is that on a
website, press release, training manual, or social media from any law enforcement organization that
condones or encourages unfair treatment toward African-Americans? Not individual cops, but actual
representatives of the organization itself?


LeglizHemp - 7/12/2016 at 12:34 AM

sigh.....good luck bhawk


LeglizHemp - 7/12/2016 at 01:00 AM

i'm trying to find where cops cleared out a private property this weekend. BLM people hanging out at a house. looked pretty crazy the cops clearing the place out. they didn't do that at bundy ranch or in oregon? amazing difference......but.....alloak.....do you see that as different things?........i'll post it when i find it


LeglizHemp - 7/12/2016 at 01:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtcofnQsr8s

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/baton-rouge-riot-police-attack-protesters/

[Edited on 7/12/2016 by LeglizHemp]


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 01:23 AM

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How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?


That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.



So, you were lying. I figured that already.


Not intentionally, no. Only if measuring against one of the different yardsticks you use, depending on the situation apparently.


Different yardsticks? Fascinating comment.

You know, with as much snark as you throw, why don't you ever back it up?

You stated...

quote:
If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?

Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.


And then I asked...

quote:
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


You claimed that BLM calls for dead cops. All I did was ask where that is stated. No more, no less. You made a claim. I merely asked where that claim is documented. Can you not back up your statement?


jkeller - 7/12/2016 at 01:28 AM

Good luck with that.


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 01:34 AM

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The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin


That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.


Quite different. Comparing a few people to a nationwide movement.


If you say so. Say, that movement and the calls for dead cops thing, is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


Let's pose another larger question from the opposite angle. Say, that racial bias thing, is that on a
website, press release, training manual, or social media from any law enforcement organization that
condones or encourages unfair treatment toward African-Americans? Not individual cops, but actual
representatives of the organization itself?


Hmmm. Well, that would take quite a bit of research. I'm not sure where I claimed that sort of thing is documented. There was an officer here locally that threatened a black child on Facebook and they fired him the next day. I'm sure if once was to do the research there would be some incidents that would at least raise an eyebrow or two.

I take it from your tone that you do not believe there is any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere?

We already know where you are really coming from on this issue. That's well established over several conversations.

That's why this statement is so interesting...

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Not only that, but they're hurting their own cause.


So, do they actually have a cause? What is their cause in your view? You just inferred that there is no established racial bias in law enforcement, so isn't your real beef with BLM is that they exist in the first place?


alloak41 - 7/12/2016 at 01:37 AM

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How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?


That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.



So, you were lying. I figured that already.


Not intentionally, no. Only if measuring against one of the different yardsticks you use, depending on the situation apparently.


Different yardsticks? Fascinating comment.


Damn straight. Where was your current mindset when the Tea Party was out demonstrating? You were the most judgmental person on this site, the first one to condemn the whole organization based on what you claimed individual "supporters" were doing, or a sign they were holding.


alloak41 - 7/12/2016 at 01:50 AM

quote:
You stated...

quote:
If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?

Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.


And then I asked...

quote:
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


You claimed that BLM calls for dead cops. All I did was ask where that is stated. No more, no less. You made a claim. I merely asked where that claim is documented. Can you not back up your statement?


Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


BrerRabbit - 7/12/2016 at 02:03 AM

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Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


And it sure is mighty convenient that the Dallas shooter who caused that reputation was blown to bits and we will never know for sure who was pulling his strings.


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 02:08 AM

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How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?


That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.



So, you were lying. I figured that already.


Not intentionally, no. Only if measuring against one of the different yardsticks you use, depending on the situation apparently.


Different yardsticks? Fascinating comment.


Damn straight. Where was your current mindset when the Tea Party was out demonstrating? You were the most judgmental person on this site, the first one to condemn the whole organization based on what you claimed individual "supporters" were doing, or a sign they were holding.


Already ducking questions and snipping posts. You won't answer my questions, cool. I'll answer yours.

The Tea Party or any other variant as such had a right and has a right to assemble and demonstrate like any other American has under the Constitution. The Tea Party has always been a symbolic arm of the Republican Party, at one time there were three major versions of a platform. I remember once you specifically asked for someone, anyone, to refute that platform point by point, which I did.

I attended two Tea Party rallies. When the Freedom Jamboree was scheduled for KC I was excited, and when it was canceled I was disappointed.

I specifically remember this exchange between you and I...

Bhawk:
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Here in Kansas, for instance, there has been a petition effort to revive the anti-gay bill that died in the Kansas Senate. This effort is spearheaded by the largest Tea Party group in the state. For a movement that is supposedly only concerned with excessive government taxation and spending, paradoxically, that's an odd position for them to take.



To which you replied:
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And here we are. The fact that a bill was spearheaded by the Christian faction of a Tea Party group has GOT to be a negative? To concern themselves with anything besides excessive government taxation and spending is a drawback?


In my original statement, I claimed:
-There has been a petition effort to revive the anti-gay bill that died in the Kansas Senate <---This is true
-This effort is spearheaded by the largest Tea Party group in the state. <---This is true

In no way did I criticize the Tea Party directly, but I did wonder about their motivations, much like you have pondered about the motivation of anyone you perceive as remotely left hundreds upon hundreds of times.

So then, I feel compelled to ask and hopefully you won't snip this off, what exactly is your standard for double-standards?

We just had this conversation, where you stated:


quote:
Sub Liberal for Conservative and you might have something. Liberals are the caring, tolerant party that
have never done anything wrong. Anything that ever goes wrong is always the Republicans fault. ALWAYS. They're the selfish, nutjob, racist meanies that are "angry" and "hate" just about everyone. Right?


You get upset whenever someone paints your home team with a broad brush, but you throw out that BLM wants dead cops, I ask where that's stated, and you get bent?


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 02:13 AM

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You stated...

quote:
If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?

Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.


And then I asked...

quote:
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


You claimed that BLM calls for dead cops. All I did was ask where that is stated. No more, no less. You made a claim. I merely asked where that claim is documented. Can you not back up your statement?


Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


LeglizHemp - 7/12/2016 at 02:14 AM

does anything i say deserve a comment? i feel so alone. LOL


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 02:19 AM

quote:
does anything i say deserve a comment? i feel so alone. LOL


I think that when you pointed out that there seems to be certain situations where pointing guns at law enforcement is justified when personal biases side with the offending party was quite well made.


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 02:27 AM

quote:
I am watching to see if anyone emerges as the voice of reason in this blm movement. The country needs to ignore race hustler sharpton .


What is it that you want the voice of reason to say?


alloak41 - 7/12/2016 at 02:41 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
You stated...

quote:
If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?

Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.


And then I asked...

quote:
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


You claimed that BLM calls for dead cops. All I did was ask where that is stated. No more, no less. You made a claim. I merely asked where that claim is documented. Can you not back up your statement?


Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 02:59 AM

quote:
There are issues on both sides. Blm should acknowledge the sorry state of the black family, black on black violence, how snitching
Is against the gang code. Shutting down a freeway when folks are trying to get home or to a job is going to backfire and make the division between both sides greater.


What's the issues on the other side?


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 03:02 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
You stated...

quote:
If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?

Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.


And then I asked...

quote:
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


You claimed that BLM calls for dead cops. All I did was ask where that is stated. No more, no less. You made a claim. I merely asked where that claim is documented. Can you not back up your statement?


Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.



LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.


alloak41 - 7/12/2016 at 03:13 AM

quote:
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.



LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.


That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...


2112 - 7/12/2016 at 03:13 AM

quote:
There are issues on both sides. Blm should acknowledge the sorry state of the black family, black on black violence, how snitching Is against the gang code.


Doesn't seem relevant to what they are trying to do. Why should they have to acknowledge those things? When the police try to prove their point using whatever method they choose, should they also have to point out that there are some racist white people and acknowledge the existence of the KKK? Seems equally relevant.


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 03:22 AM

quote:
quote:
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.



LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.


That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...


The flippant, dismissive tone says it all...


alloak41 - 7/12/2016 at 03:23 AM

quote:
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.



LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.


That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...


The flippant, dismissive tone says it all...


As does yours.


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 03:27 AM

quote:
quote:
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.



LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.


That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...


The flippant, dismissive tone says it all...


As does yours.


Why are you so sarcastic about death? Why even take that tone?


alloak41 - 7/12/2016 at 03:29 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.



LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.


That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...


The flippant, dismissive tone says it all...


As does yours.


Why are you so sarcastic about death? Why even take that tone?


The day you're born you start to die.


Bhawk - 7/12/2016 at 03:36 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.



LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.


That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...


The flippant, dismissive tone says it all...


As does yours.


Why are you so sarcastic about death? Why even take that tone?


The day you're born you start to die.


Hope that whatever it is, it gets better for you. There's help out there.


gondicar - 7/12/2016 at 03:52 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.



LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.


That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...


The flippant, dismissive tone says it all...


As does yours.


Why are you so sarcastic about death? Why even take that tone?


The day you're born you start to die.

I thought that was the day you start to live. You must be a cup half empty kind of person.


alloak41 - 7/12/2016 at 04:05 AM

quote:
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.



LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.


That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...


The flippant, dismissive tone says it all...


As does yours.


Why are you so sarcastic about death? Why even take that tone?


The day you're born you start to die.

I thought that was the day you start to live. You must be a cup half empty kind of person.


If you (or anybody else) is here to judge me or pass on some kind of personality appraisal I'm really
not interested. Honest. Amazing the amount of wasted keystrokes constantly trying to. Have at
it, but I don't see why you bother. It does nothing.


gondicar - 7/12/2016 at 12:17 PM

quote:
quote:
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.


Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?


1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.

2. I think all lives matter, so no.

3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.

4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.



LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.


That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...


The flippant, dismissive tone says it all...


As does yours.


Why are you so sarcastic about death? Why even take that tone?


The day you're born you start to die.

I thought that was the day you start to live. You must be a cup half empty kind of person.


If you (or anybody else) is here to judge me or pass on some kind of personality appraisal I'm really
not interested. Honest. Amazing the amount of wasted keystrokes constantly trying to. Have at
it, but I don't see why you bother. It does nothing.

That ship sailed a long time ago.


BoytonBrother - 7/12/2016 at 11:28 PM

quote:
If you (or anybody else) is here to judge me or pass on some kind of personality appraisal I'm really
not interested. Honest. Amazing the amount of wasted keystrokes constantly trying to. Have at
it, but I don't see why you bother. It does nothing.



Lol, you are too much. Who do you think you are fooling? You love every second of it. It's why you troll liberals. You get off on angering them. You don't come here to converse. You come here to inflame. How awesome.


jkeller - 7/13/2016 at 12:23 AM

quote:
quote:
If you (or anybody else) is here to judge me or pass on some kind of personality appraisal I'm really
not interested. Honest. Amazing the amount of wasted keystrokes constantly trying to. Have at
it, but I don't see why you bother. It does nothing.



Lol, you are too much. Who do you think you are fooling? You love every second of it. It's why you troll liberals. You get off on angering them. You don't come here to converse. You come here to inflame. How awesome.


It just speaks to a unfulfilled life.


And, he is a habitual liar. That says something as well.


LeglizHemp - 7/13/2016 at 12:46 AM

this kinda sad but offers a good example of black reality.

http://www.indystar.com/story/tech/news/2016/07/12/playing-pokemon-go-while -black/86989554/

Playing Pokémon Go while black: fear blunts the fun
Jessica Guynn, USA TODAY 4:27 p.m. EDT July 12, 2016

SAN FRANCISCO — Omari Akil says he couldn't wait to play Pokémon Go — until he went outside for 20 minutes.

Akil, a writer and business systems analyst from Chapel Hill, N.C., spent five minutes enjoying the game, including one minute "trying to look as pleasant and nonthreatening as possible as I walked by a somewhat visibly disturbed white woman on her way to the bus stop."

"I spent the other 14 minutes being distracted from the game by thoughts of the countless Black Men who have had the police called on them because they looked 'suspicious' or wondering what a second amendment exercising individual might do if I walked past their window a third or fourth time in search of a Jigglypuff," Akil wrote in a piece he published on Medium.

"When my brain started combining the complexity of being Black in America with the real world proposal of wandering and exploration that is designed into the game play of Pokémon Go, there was only one conclusion. I might die if I keep playing."

For the most part, Pokémon Go is all fun and games. Yet for many African Americans, especially African-American men, their enjoyment is undercut by fears they might arouse suspicion with potentially lethal consequences. The smartphone game sends people out in the world to capture monsters from the Japanese cartoon franchise. It landed as the nation was reeling from the police shooting deaths of two African Americans and the deaths of five police officers gunned down in Dallas.

Wrote Akil: "Let's just go ahead and add Pokémon Go to the extremely long list of things white people can do without fear of being killed, while Black people have to realistically be wary."

Malik Bennett, 18, who will be a college freshman this fall, says he's been playing Pokémon since he was in diapers. "There has not been a two-week span that I haven't touched a Pokémon game," Bennett, of West Columbia, S.C., says.

Since Pokémon Go was released, "I have been playing the game a lot," he says. But, at the urging of his older brother and parents, Bennett makes sure he's always aware of his surroundings. With an ear bud in one ear and his phone in his right hand or pocket, he waits for notifications to pop up before turning his attention to his phone screen.

Anthony Battey says he knows other Pokémon Go players wander the San Francisco streets at all hours hunting for Pokémon. But he's not one of them.

"I was out the other night and I saw a lot of cops and I thought, ‘You know what? Let me go ahead and take my black ass home,'" Battey, 25, toldthe San Francisco Chronicle.

A Tumblr post offers tips on how to play Pokémon while black. Among them: walk a dog (on a cloth leash, not a chain), wear glasses, avoid white neighborhoods and bring a non-black friend.

"Sharing because there is a double standard. Black people shouldn’t have to take precautions to play a game, especially when we’ve already got stories of white people running into traffic and disrupting businesses to catch their Pokémon," the Tumblr post reads.

In the U.S., black people are stopped, searched, arrested and imprisoned at rates higher than people of other races. Research by USA TODAY, which tracked arrests reported to the federal government in 2011 and 2012, found that in at least 70 police departments from Connecticut to California, black people were arrested at a rate 10 times higher than people who were not black.

Ronnie Dunn, associate professor of urban studies at Cleveland State University, says he understands the apprehension given "the seeming inability for African Americans to move freely about public space unimpeded by law enforcement."

"There is the potential for blacks, males in particular, to be racially profiled, as they search out game figures minimally aware of the areas and public spaces the game might lead them to," Dunn says. "Their lack of awareness of their surroundings can also heighten the potential risk" as was the case in the police shooting death of John Crawford III in an Ohio Wal-Mart store in 2014.

Despite running greater risks, some say they won't stop playing Pokémon Go.

Tarik Hamilton, a 24-year-old Web developer from St. Petersburg, Fla., grew up on Pokémon and could not wait to take to the streets in search of them. In the process, he has gotten plenty of fresh air and exercise.

Hamilton says he takes precautions so that his erratic behavior doesn't make him look suspicious. He doesn't trespass on private property. He does not repeatedly retrace his steps. He does not loiter in one spot for too long.

"I know there are certain risks based on the current political climate," Hamilton says. "It's no different than life before Pokemon when I would go out for a walk with my phone."

What's changed is that many people, including police officers, are playing the highly social game. And, in one instance, that led to a rare moment of unity.

On the same evening Black Lives Matter protests were taking place, Bennett says he played Pokémon with his girlfriend and her brother, who are both white, in their Columbia, S.C., neighborhood, which has more white residents and is more affluent than his own.

At about 10 p.m., they headed to a nearby church for a "gym" battle. Pokémon gyms are places where players who reach a certain level in the game go to train their Pokémon characters. A cop drove by them and pulled into the church parking lot. His girlfriend offered to turn around but Bennett, while apprehensive, said no. "We are just playing Pokémon," he said.

In the church parking lot, Bennett started the gym battle on his phone's Pokemon Go app. Then he heard the cop on his loudspeaker: "Team Valor has already taken this gym."

Bennett cautiously approached the police car to inform the officer they were all on the same team. The cop fist-bumped Bennett and then pointed out some rare Pokémon lurking in the area.

"We were just there for the same reason," Bennett says. "I can see the game helping out because it's simple and people have the same goals. People want to go out, catch Pokémon and they want to be with their friends."


2112 - 7/13/2016 at 06:34 PM

quote:
Tough to separate the Chicago violence from law enforcement shootings. When lawlessness is thriving it is feeding into a culture of animosity and hostility to all people, and the police are on the frontt lines of having to deal with many characters raised in this blockhead mentality in many high crime areas. Add illegal immigrants flooding into the country not all want to wash dishes or pick my fruits and vegetables. Another example of the breakdown of law and order was on full display in the san jose trump rally.




Ah yes, all those scary immigrants in San Jose that have made San Jose the 6th safest big city in America. Terrifying really!

http://www.cbsnews.com/media/the-9-safest-cities-in-america/5/


BoytonBrother - 7/13/2016 at 06:50 PM

quote:
Tough to separate the Chicago violence from law enforcement shootings. When lawlessness is thriving it is feeding into a culture of animosity and hostility to all people, and the police are on the frontt lines of having to deal with many characters raised in this blockhead mentality in many high crime areas. Add illegal immigrants flooding into the country not all want to wash dishes or pick my fruits and vegetables. Another example of the breakdown of law and order was on full display in the san jose trump rally.


Wow. You are really all over the place on this one. Let's translate: blacks are clearly the problem in Chicago and Dallas. Obama is fueling the fire. Hispanics are destroying our economy. BLM is violent and shouldn't be protesting. No, you're not a racist at all. Idiot.


BoytonBrother - 7/13/2016 at 06:55 PM

Hemp, I don't get it.


LeglizHemp - 7/13/2016 at 06:56 PM

i guess he didn't read my pokemon story... have a little empathy.....it is a good human trait


LeglizHemp - 7/13/2016 at 06:57 PM

quote:
Hemp, I don't get it.



neither did i......thats why i deleted it......lol.....sorry.....misread progression



gina - 7/13/2016 at 08:08 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin


That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.


Quite different. Comparing a few people to a nationwide movement.


If you say so. Say, that movement and the calls for dead cops thing, is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?


The demonstration where they chanted it occurred in New York City on December 13, 2014, and after that demonstration they put up their demands/goals of what they wanted from the New York City Police Dept. in terms of reforms. They wanted to tell them what changes they felt were needed and what THEY wanted implemented. I do not think any group has the right to dictate to the police of any city HOW they should conduct themselves and do their jobs. If they wanted them to take a look at some policies they felt were unfair, that is reasonable, but they wanted to DEMAND and DICTATE their changes, they are not in the position to be able to do that as they are just civilians. Law Enforcement takes into consideration many things before issuing policies and they make adjustments as necessary especially with respect to community policings, so if you bring it up to their attention that they are being heavy handed to certain groups in certain communities, okay they should look at that objectively and make revisions if necessary; but it is not for any group to make demands and demand implementation of their demands.

From the December 13, 2014 protest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB4w7z1nqPk


More recently they have protested chanting "pigs in blankets, let them fry". They are disrespectful of law enforcement, they do not want to obey what they are told to do by any law enforcement officer. Most people understand even when you do not agree with a cop (who may be crooked or wrong), he is the one with the authority and you have to comply. You can fight or sue them later, but at the time, you have to comply or you are obstructing justice.


Evansf - 7/13/2016 at 08:53 PM

They're just begging for a fight by declaring that they want peace.


BoytonBrother - 7/13/2016 at 11:00 PM

quote:
neither did i......thats why i deleted it......lol.....sorry.....misread progression


it was very possible that I had smoked way too much at the time and was confused as usual. thanks for clarifying!


LeglizHemp - 7/14/2016 at 12:02 AM

sometimes life is taken too seriously.....we confuse are perceptions of the world with our perceptions of a general daily life. are the 2 tied together? yes....are they not tied together? yes......enjoy what is around you and hope the big picture stays sane.


i need more pot


Sang - 7/14/2016 at 03:31 AM

A made in China hat? Cool....


gondicar - 7/14/2016 at 11:55 AM

There's a type-o, should be "Grate" ;-)


bob1954 - 7/14/2016 at 01:19 PM

quote:
There's a type-o, should be "Grate" ;-)


http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=141988


rmack - 7/14/2016 at 11:04 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Tough to separate the Chicago violence from law enforcement shootings. When lawlessness is thriving it is feeding into a culture of animosity and hostility to all people, and the police are on the frontt lines of having to deal with many characters raised in this blockhead mentality in many high crime areas. Add illegal immigrants flooding into the country not all want to wash dishes or pick my fruits and vegetables. Another example of the breakdown of law and order was on full display in the san jose trump rally.




Ah yes, all those scary immigrants in San Jose that have made San Jose the 6th safest big city in America. Terrifying really!

http://www.cbsnews.com/media/the-9-safest-cities-in-america/5/


I'll let you know, firsthand. I will be spending a week out there in a couple of months at a convention.

also ordered this for my trip:




Hopefully, that will cover up the point.


jkeller - 7/14/2016 at 11:07 PM

quote:
quote:
There's a type-o, should be "Grate" ;-)


http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=141988


Promoting your own thread. How Trumpish of you.


bob1954 - 7/14/2016 at 11:15 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
There's a type-o, should be "Grate" ;-)

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=141988

Promoting your own thread. How Trumpish of you.


BoytonBrother - 7/28/2016 at 07:31 PM

For all those who oppose BLM:


Dear fellow white people, let’s have an honest talk about why we say “All Lives Matter.” First of all, notice that no one was saying “All Lives Matter” before people started saying “Black Lives Matter.” So “All Lives Matter” is a response to “Black Lives Matter.” Apparently, something about the statement “Black Lives Matter” makes us uncomfortable. Why is that?

Now some white people might say that singling out Black people’s lives as mattering somehow means that white lives don’t matter. Of course, that’s silly. If you went to a Breast Cancer Awareness event, you wouldn’t think that they were saying that other types of cancer don’t matter. And you’d be shocked if someone showed up with a sign saying “Colon Cancer Matters” or chanting “All Cancer Patients Matter.” So clearly, something else is prompting people to say “All Lives Matter” in response to “Black Lives Matter.”

Many of the people saying “All Lives Matter” also are fond of saying “Blue Lives Matter.” If you find that the statement “Black Lives Matter” bothers you, but not “Blue Lives Matter,” then the operative word is “Black”. That should tell us something. There’s something deeply discomfiting about the word “Black.” I think it’s because it reminds us of our whiteness and challenges our notion that race doesn’t matter.




A strong evolved person would admit it. To deny your flaws makes you weak-minded.


BrerRabbit - 7/28/2016 at 08:01 PM

Hahaha- succinct. Feel like I'm at a bullfight, and the toreador is waving his red cape at the bull... in this case: MULEKLAN.


alloak41 - 8/3/2016 at 02:39 PM

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
they want.
YOU just K, K, Kant help yourself.


But I walk the walk. I currently have 11 people working for me. Three are white males.
Go figure that one out.


bob1954 - 8/3/2016 at 02:59 PM

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
they want.
YOU just K, K, Kant help yourself.

But I walk the walk. I currently have 11 people working for me. Three are white males.
Go figure that one out.

What is your point? By the way, I have been married twice, never to a white male. Go figure that one out.


alloak41 - 8/3/2016 at 03:06 PM

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
they want.
YOU just K, K, Kant help yourself.

But I walk the walk. I currently have 11 people working for me. Three are white males.
Go figure that one out.

What is your point? By the way, I have been married twice, never to a white male. Go figure that one out.


Pretty simple. Does that look like an employee roster of a racist? Of the 11, five are black.
I could have an all-white staff if I wanted to.


gondicar - 8/3/2016 at 08:17 PM

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The Black Lives Matter movement is just making things worse. Maybe that's exactly what
they want.
YOU just K, K, Kant help yourself.

But I walk the walk. I currently have 11 people working for me. Three are white males.
Go figure that one out.

What is your point? By the way, I have been married twice, never to a white male. Go figure that one out.


Pretty simple. Does that look like an employee roster of a racist? Of the 11, five are black.
I could have an all-white staff if I wanted to.

LOL. That's as laughable as the "I'm not racist because I have some black friends" line of reasoning. And for the record I'm not saying you are racist, and I don't think you are at all.


BrerRabbit - 8/4/2016 at 05:33 PM

No need for defense. Just because you are conservative doesn't mean liberals automatically assume you are a racist. At least decent liberals. There are plenty of racists of every political stripe. Liberal racists are the worst because often they don't know it. You have never said anything racist here.


Bhawk - 8/4/2016 at 05:41 PM

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No need for defense. Just because you are conservative doesn't mean liberals automatically assume you are a racist. At least decent liberals. There are plenty of racists of every political stripe. Liberal racists are the worst because often they don't know it.


In the spirit of the thread, doesn't a lot of it have to do with how the phrase is heard and processed according to a person's personal biases?

Some hear "Black Lives Matter" at face value. Others seem to hear it as "Only Black Lives Matter."

Wonder why that is?


BrerRabbit - 8/4/2016 at 05:59 PM

Honestly gave up on that one. Don't know why people jump to the Only Black Lives Matter idea. The fact that the phrase had to be invented at all shows the given assumption that it means Black Lives Matter Too. Or Black Lives Matter As Much As Other Lives. You feel set upon, persecuted, marginalized, you say things like "hey, I matter." No big mystery there.

It's a necessary movement, part of the black power struggle of the late 20th-early 21st century. It is flawed, and pretty stupid and racist in some ways, like that whole global black solidarity thing, will never happen. It is still part of a positive process of change for American blacks. We have short memories, slavery was only several generations ago, gonna take a while to process.


bob1954 - 8/4/2016 at 06:16 PM

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Honestly gave up on that one. Don't know why people jump to the Only Black Lives Matter idea. The fact that the phrase had to be invented at all shows the given assumption that it means Black Lives Matter Too. Or Black Lives Matter As Much As Other Lives. You feel set upon, persecuted, marginalized, you say things like "hey, I matter." No big mystery there.

It's a necessary movement, part of the black power struggle of the late 20th-early 21st century. It is flawed, and pretty stupid and racist in some ways, like that whole global black solidarity thing, will never happen. It is still part of a positive process of change for American blacks. We have short memories, slavery was only several generations ago, gonna take a while to process.

It's not a new concept. memphis, 1968:


BrerRabbit - 8/4/2016 at 08:37 PM

Am reading a really good breakdown of the MLK assassination right now, written by James Earl Ray's defense lawyer. The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. by Dr. William F. Pepper, Esq. Just came out 2016. Exhaustive, decades of research, looks like a government hit. And nothing to do with racism or civil rights. King was starting to make noise about Vietnam, and also was expanding his mission to a general class concern, with a poor people's march scheduled to swamp DC, and was going to run for president in 1968 with Dr. Benjamin Spock. He was becoming a serious political threat.

Not wild-eyed, very methodical and just plain disturbing.


bob1954 - 8/4/2016 at 11:29 PM

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Am reading a really good breakdown of the MLK assassination right now, written by James Earl Ray's defense lawyer. The Plot to Kill King: The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. by Dr. William F. Pepper, Esq. Just came out 2016. Exhaustive, decades of research, looks like a government hit. And nothing to do with racism or civil rights. King was starting to make noise about Vietnam, and also was expanding his mission to a general class concern, with a poor people's march scheduled to swamp DC, and was going to run for president in 1968 with Dr. Benjamin Spock. He was becoming a serious political threat.

Not wild-eyed, very methodical and just plain disturbing.

Read it. Also read the book James Earl Ray wrote, Who Killed Martin Luther King, and the Hampton Sides book, Hellhound On His Trail. Of them all the Hampton Sides book is the most detail, fact filled, and credible account of the events.


BrerRabbit - 8/5/2016 at 12:37 AM

Thanks for the leads. Will probably skip James Earl Ray's book, as I don't see how he could know much, unless he indeed was the shooter. Hellhound looks good, from summary looks like it implicates James Earl Ray. Pepper maintains Ray did not pull the trigger. Will be interesting to compare the two.


alloak41 - 8/5/2016 at 03:07 AM

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No need for defense. Just because you are conservative doesn't mean liberals automatically assume you are a racist. At least decent liberals. There are plenty of racists of every political stripe. Liberal racists are the worst because often they don't know it.


In the spirit of the thread, doesn't a lot of it have to do with how the phrase is heard and processed according to a person's personal biases?

Some hear "Black Lives Matter" at face value. Others seem to hear it as "Only Black Lives Matter."

Wonder why that is?


Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up.
This thing has gone too far.


BoytonBrother - 8/5/2016 at 12:10 PM

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Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up.
This thing has gone too far.


It is a racist statement, but how racist? Where on the scale does it fall? I would say on a scale of 1-100, 100 being the KKK, "All Lives Matter" would be on the bottom half, something not overtly racist, but has a racist undertone. There's no reason to say it unless you have a problem with black people stating that their lives matter. Someone on the bottom rung of the racist ladder would not have a problem hearing blacks state "black lives matter" in response to what has been happening for decades. It seems like an understandable reaction considering the videos that emerged. Some on the higher rungs seem to be bothered with it.

saw this online that makes a great point: Now some white people might say that singling out Black people’s lives as mattering somehow means that white lives don’t matter. Of course, that’s silly. If you went to a Breast Cancer Awareness event, you wouldn’t think that they were saying that other types of cancer don’t matter. And you’d be shocked if someone showed up with a sign saying “Colon Cancer Matters” or chanting “All Cancer Patients Matter.” So clearly, something else is prompting people to say “All Lives Matter” in response to “Black Lives Matter.”


bob1954 - 8/5/2016 at 03:37 PM

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Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up. This thing has gone too far.

I'll try to explain this, although I don't expect you to get it. "Black Lives matter" is a slogan to bring attention to the issue that Blacks, and other minorities, have often been treated more harshly by law enforcement than others. There is plenty of evidence to support the claim that they are more likely to be subject to abuse. The phrase does not imply that other lives don't matter. It emphasizes that Black lives matter just as much as any others, something that does not always seem to be true in practice.

The only reason the phrase "All Lives Matter" was created was to disparage the "Black Lives Matter" slogan. "All Lives Matter" was never used until the BLM movement began. It was invented to counter the BLM movement, and therefore it is a race based phrase used against a minority group. It is racist.

I understand that you don't see it that way and never will, so no need to argue about it.


Stephen - 8/5/2016 at 03:44 PM

The video of that black Houston motorist being arrested is upsetting
she called 911 out of fear of the police
there is no doubt that white cops have it in for black motorists -- this is plain out harrassment
the racial divide in the country in widening -- racist police fan the flames IMO -- that's where much of the trouble originates


jkeller - 8/5/2016 at 03:48 PM

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The video of that black Houston motorist being arrested is upsetting
she called 911 out of fear of the police
there is no doubt that white cops have it in for black motorists -- this is plain out harrassment
the racial divide in the country in widening -- racist police fan the flames IMO -- that's where much of the trouble originates



Are you saying that all white cops have it in for black motorists? That is what your post says. Extrapolating isolated incidents to make a bold general statement is part of the problem.


Stephen - 8/5/2016 at 04:09 PM

It's just the continuousness of it all -- no not every white cop has it in for black motorists, that was unfair to say -- but when practically every day you read/see/watch examples of it --

a black congressman, I think from Maryland, said a couple weeks ago that he's been pulled over 7 times, for no reasons, each time by white police officers -- he said "not 4, not 5, not 6 but 7 times"

take that phrase out of my post -- you were right to call me on it -- and I stand by every word


Swifty - 8/7/2016 at 05:42 PM

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Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up. This thing has gone too far.

I'll try to explain this, although I don't expect you to get it. "Black Lives matter" is a slogan to bring attention to the issue that Blacks, and other minorities, have often been treated more harshly by law enforcement than others. There is plenty of evidence to support the claim that they are more likely to be subject to abuse. The phrase does not imply that other lives don't matter. It emphasizes that Black lives matter just as much as any others, something that does not always seem to be true in practice.

The only reason the phrase "All Lives Matter" was created was to disparage the "Black Lives Matter" slogan. "All Lives Matter" was never used until the BLM movement began. It was invented to counter the BLM movement, and therefore it is a race based phrase used against a minority group. It is racist.

I understand that you don't see it that way and never will, so no need to argue about it.


I would add that poorer whites who were dependent on factory jobs etc., attribute the loss of their jobs to affirmative action. They believe blacks are coddled by the government and that BLM is just an attempt to get more attention at their expense. It's a totally irrational belief but Trump stokes it with his challenge to political correctness. Trump is able to do this even while he now claims bad trade agreements are the real culprit for the loss of jobs. Trump likes to fan the flames even when there is no real fire.

Interesting enough the other movement of the last year that was built on challenging unjust treatment was the Donald Trump campaign. While Trump as the "law and order" candidate does not want to see BLM members challenge authority, he has no problem challenging government institutions and policies that he claims are hindering his right to be president. The election is rigged as are the debates. In fact the whole process is corrupt. Trump's rule seems to be that you have to be White or supportive of him to protest in America.


jszfunk - 8/8/2016 at 09:45 AM

I have not taken the time to read all of the posts in this thread, and maybe someone can enlighten/educate(which I am sure will happen on the WP!! ) on the issues.

The impression I get from BLM is that the lives only matter when a white officer shoots and potentially kills someone that is black...so BLM is more about race than losing a life? Does BLM have or make a presence when there are blacks murdering blacks? To me those lives matter just as much as the other killings...I am right?


Here in the Indianapolis area it seems to have become very violent with shootings and such over the last few years. It seems like everyday we are hearing something.

Does not mater if these are black, white or whatever... senseless killings.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/08/03/3-days-into-august-3-sh ooting-deaths/87992426/

3 days into August, 4 shooting deaths
The month of August is getting off to a deadly start in Indianapolis.

Four people have been shot to death in separate incidents since August began three days ago. This continues a bloody shooting trend that began as July came to a close.

There have been nine shooting deaths in nine days, Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Sgt. Kendale Adams confirmed Wednesday. Three of the fatal shootings happened on Tuesday.

Indianapolis has seen 85 homicides so far this year, compared to 72 by August 3 last year, according to Adams.

•Deontae Davis, 24, was fatally shot shortly after 8 p.m.Tuesday in the 6500 block of East 25th Street. Police arrested Jamarr Edmond, 25, for murder and resisting in connection with Davis' death.

•Officers found 27-year-old Cullen Hubbard who had been shot shortly after 11:30 p.m Tuesday in the 200 block of West 29th Street. Hubbard died at IU Health Methodist Hospital.

•Simon Wills, 34, was shot to death about 3 a.m. Tuesday in the 2900 block of North LaSalle Street. Police did not release any information about a possible suspect.

•Henry Senteayehou, 40, was found shot to death about 6 a.m. Monday in the 3700 block of North Chester Avenue. Senteayehou's girlfriend returned form an out-of-town trip and found his body just inside a door to the home they shared, police said.

•Ryan Goss, 46, was shot to death shortly after 5:15 p.m. Saturday in 5700 block of North High School Road. Police did not release information about a possible suspect.

•Devon Grice, 24, died at Eskenazi Hospital after he was shot shortly before 2 p.m. Thursday in the 1100 block of Sharon Avenue. Police have not released information about possible suspects.

•Anthony Jones, 48, was shot and killed about 3:45 p.m. Thursday in the 3000 block of West 18th Street. Police released no suspect information.

•Wesley Small, 24, and Dajuan Mitchell, 29, were shot about 10:30 p.m. Wednesday in the 1600 block of East 44th Street. Small died at the scene. Mitchell died later at Eskenazi. A woman was also critically injured in the shooting.

•Jason Byrd, 32, was shot multiple times and killed about 5 a.m. July 25 in the 4400 block of Primrose Avenue. Police released no suspect information.


Swifty - 8/8/2016 at 12:48 PM


http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-m atter-movement/

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11 Major Misconceptions About the Black Lives Matter Movement

Since the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s killer in 2013 and the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014, the phrase “black lives matter” has become a rallying cry for a new chapter in the long black freedom struggle. But this new movement’s penchant for disruptive protest and impassioned public speeches about persistent racial inequality have been disconcerting to many Americans who wonder what the end-game is for this new generation of protesters. Do black lives matter more than white lives? bystanders ask. Why can’t black people simply address the crime problem in their own communities? others want to know. And if the problems are really this bad, can’t voting for new political leaders solve them? sympathizers wonder. These are just some of the many questions surrounding this new movement. But the young people taking to the streets in protest have a righteous cause. They deserve a fair hearing. And we can begin by debunking a few myths about what the Black Lives Matter movement is and what it isn’t.

1. The movement doesn’t care about black-on-black crime. The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false. In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology. Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people.

2. It’s a leaderless movement. The Black Lives Matter movement is a leaderfull movement. Many Americans of all races are enamored with Martin Luther King as a symbol of leadership and what real movements look like. But the Movement for Black Lives, another name for the BLM movement, recognizes many flaws with this model. First, focusing on heterosexual, cisgender black men frequently causes us not to see the significant amount of labor and thought leadership that black women provide to movements, not only in caretaking and auxiliary roles, but on the front lines of protests and in the strategy sessions that happen behind closed doors. Moreover, those old models leadership favored the old over the young, attempted to silence gay and lesbian leadership, and did not recognize the leadership possibilities of transgender people at all. Finally, a movement with a singular leader or a few visible leaders is vulnerable, because those leaders can be easily identified, harassed, and killed, as was the case with Dr. King. By having a leaderfull movement, BLM addresses many of these concerns. BLM is composed of many local leaders and many local organizations including Black Youth Project 100, the Dream Defenders, the Organization for Black Struggle, Hands Up United, Millennial Activists United, and the Black Lives Matter national network. We demonstrate through this model that the movement is bigger than any one person. And there is room for the talents, expertise, and work ethic of anyone who is committed to freedom.


There are more issues if you follow the link



alloak41 - 8/9/2016 at 01:21 AM

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Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up. This thing has gone too far.

I'll try to explain this, although I don't expect you to get it.


Thanks.


LeglizHemp - 8/9/2016 at 01:29 AM

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Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up. This thing has gone too far.

I'll try to explain this, although I don't expect you to get it.


Thanks.



lol


BoytonBrother - 8/9/2016 at 12:39 PM

They know it's racist Hemp. It's just hard for them to come to grips with it.


alloak41 - 8/9/2016 at 05:23 PM

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They know it's racist Hemp.


What isn't? The list keeps getting shorter.


2112 - 8/9/2016 at 05:44 PM

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Now in 2016, saying "All lives matter" is considered a racist statement. Pretty much sums it up. This thing has gone too far.

I'll try to explain this, although I don't expect you to get it.


Thanks.



It's kind of like how supporting expanded background checks for purchasing a firearm makes you antigun and against the 2nd Amendment.


BrerRabbit - 8/11/2016 at 05:23 PM

My first reaction when I saw that "Black Lives Matter" slogan, on the cover of Time, was: Duh, ya think? WTF is wrong with our country that this even still needs to be said, let alone be the cover of Time?


alloak41 - 8/11/2016 at 06:01 PM

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My first reaction when I saw that "Black Lives Matter" slogan, on the cover of Time, was: Duh, ya think? WTF is wrong with our country that this even still needs to be said, let alone be the cover of Time?



I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.




Whoops, another racist statement. My bad.


BrerRabbit - 8/11/2016 at 06:40 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.


Really? Wow, nice, you must have always hung around pretty hip folks. That's nothing! Mild compared to stuff I've heard throughout my life. Mild compared to things I've said myself, back when I didn't know better. Worse I knew better but said stuff anyway. Got a John Bircher uncle used to say way worse things than that, and things you hear, here and there, growing up, visiting your folks in a small town in the South. Horrible jokes I said myself as a white youngster. Well the John Birch uncle was in Northern California, but heard plenty in the South too. And in the North too, come to think of it. Wherever white folk felt comfortable expressing their view of other races, or when the subject would come up. Like my grand-dad commenting when I was watching the basketball game "Lotta mud coming to the Northwest, don't ya think", and so on. Nicest, fairest guy you could ever know, but not a big fan of non-whites. My uncle, when there was some riot or something on the radio "Oughta tie off their tubes." His wife : "Oh honey don't say that in front of the kids!" Me: "What are tubes, Unka Dick?"

So... I figure that's a pretty normal white childhood. You sure you never heard anyone say Black Lives Don't Matter, or something like it? You must have grown up in a hippie commune- about the only place a white person could grow up and not get infected with this poison.


tbomike - 8/11/2016 at 06:53 PM

Of course not a word from the usual suspects about this cop killer.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/2-arkansas-cops-shot-gun-wielding-sus pect-not-custody-article-1.2745617


BoytonBrother - 8/11/2016 at 07:14 PM

tbomike, I'll gladly get into with you if you want. what is your silly little point? Your article tells the story of some scumbag who shot up a bunch of cops, and one died. I hope he gets life in prison or the death penalty, I don't care which one. Criminals should be punished according to the law. Your turn.


tbomike - 8/11/2016 at 07:21 PM

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tbomike, I'll gladly get into with you if you want. what is your silly little point? Your article tells the story of some scumbag who shot up a bunch of cops, and one died. I hope he gets life in prison or the death penalty, I don't care which one. Criminals should be punished according to the law. Your turn.


Seriously dude? You can't figure out who I was taking a shot at. That a scumbag white guy shot cops and killed one and not a word from certain people on the whipping post. And you think I would be somehow taking a shot at you? Trust me, I fully support the concept of black lives matter.


bob1954 - 8/11/2016 at 07:26 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?


Bhawk - 8/11/2016 at 07:30 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?


He doesn't think inequality exists?


bob1954 - 8/11/2016 at 07:32 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?

He doesn't think inequality exists?

Obviously.


tbomike - 8/11/2016 at 07:33 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?


Yeah it is like this never happened or it was 500 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPrHwmiUMH0


BoytonBrother - 8/11/2016 at 07:35 PM

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tbomike, I'll gladly get into with you if you want. what is your silly little point? Your article tells the story of some scumbag who shot up a bunch of cops, and one died. I hope he gets life in prison or the death penalty, I don't care which one. Criminals should be punished according to the law. Your turn.


Seriously dude? You can't figure out who I was taking a shot at. That a scumbag white guy shot cops and killed one and not a word from certain people on the whipping post. And you think I would be somehow taking a shot at you? Trust me, I fully support the concept of black lives matter.



Sorry, I thought you were saying the BLM supporters were giving a pass to that person. My apologies. I misunderstood you.


tbomike - 8/11/2016 at 07:36 PM

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tbomike, I'll gladly get into with you if you want. what is your silly little point? Your article tells the story of some scumbag who shot up a bunch of cops, and one died. I hope he gets life in prison or the death penalty, I don't care which one. Criminals should be punished according to the law. Your turn.


Seriously dude? You can't figure out who I was taking a shot at. That a scumbag white guy shot cops and killed one and not a word from certain people on the whipping post. And you think I would be somehow taking a shot at you? Trust me, I fully support the concept of black lives matter.



Sorry, I thought you were saying the BLM supporters were giving a pass to that person. My apologies. I misunderstood you.


No problem. I know I stuck it in here with little context.


BrerRabbit - 8/11/2016 at 07:46 PM


bob1954 - 8/11/2016 at 07:48 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?

Yeah it is like this never happened or it was 500 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPrHwmiUMH0

No need to go back to the 1960's. Just look at the recent past:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQqgVlk0NQ


alloak41 - 8/11/2016 at 07:50 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?


I've seen all colors treated like they don't matter.

Damn, another one. I got to quit making these racist statements!


bob1954 - 8/11/2016 at 08:09 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?

I've seen all colors treated like they don't matter.

Damn, another one. I got to quit making these racist statements!

Your statements are more idiotic than racist.


alloak41 - 8/11/2016 at 08:10 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?

I've seen all colors treated like they don't matter.

Damn, another one. I got to quit making these racist statements!

Your statements are more idiotic than racist.


Racist AND idiotic!


bob1954 - 8/11/2016 at 08:12 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?

I've seen all colors treated like they don't matter.

Damn, another one. I got to quit making these racist statements!

Your statements are more idiotic than racist.

Racist AND idiotic!

Now you're trying to win the Truth in Posting Award. You have my vote.


alloak41 - 8/11/2016 at 08:12 PM

I was born that way. It wasn't a choice. I can't help it. Don't discriminate against me.


alloak41 - 8/11/2016 at 08:15 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?

I've seen all colors treated like they don't matter.

Damn, another one. I got to quit making these racist statements!

Your statements are more idiotic than racist.

Racist AND idiotic!

Now you're trying to win the Truth in Posting Award. You have my vote.


I'm very sensitive. Don't hurt me.


BillyBlastoff - 8/11/2016 at 08:26 PM

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Really? Wow, nice, you must have always hung around pretty hip folks. That's nothing! Mild compared to stuff I've heard throughout my life. Mild compared to things I've said myself, back when I didn't know better. Worse I knew better but said stuff anyway. Got a John Bircher uncle used to say way worse things than that, and things you hear, here and there, growing up, visiting your folks in a small town in the South. Horrible jokes I said myself as a white youngster. Well the John Birch uncle was in Northern California, but heard plenty in the South too. And in the North too, come to think of it. Wherever white folk felt comfortable expressing their view of other races, or when the subject would come up. Like my grand-dad commenting when I was watching the basketball game "Lotta mud coming to the Northwest, don't ya think", and so on. Nicest, fairest guy you could ever know, but not a big fan of non-whites. My uncle, when there was some riot or something on the radio "Oughta tie off their tubes." His wife : "Oh honey don't say that in front of the kids!" Me: "What are tubes, Unka Dick?"

So... I figure that's a pretty normal white childhood. You sure you never heard anyone say Black Lives Don't Matter, or something like it? You must have grown up in a hippie commune- about the only place a white person could grow up and not get infected with this poison.


This is painfully honest and insightful Brer Rabbit. You've illuminated the big picture. If folks can't get it from your honest admission, an insight that certainly applies to me and every kid I knew growing up in Middle Georgia, than they just aren't going to get it.


tbomike - 8/11/2016 at 10:00 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?

Yeah it is like this never happened or it was 500 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPrHwmiUMH0

No need to go back to the 1960's. Just look at the recent past:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQqgVlk0NQ




Or even this week.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%e2%80%98george-zimmerman-20%e2%80%99-fami ly-demands-justice-after-white-homeowner-kills-black-man/ar-BBvwmJ7?li=BBnb fcL


bob1954 - 8/11/2016 at 10:12 PM

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I never heard anyone say that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Have you ever seen Blacks treated as if their lives don't matter? Why are you so opposed to striving for racial equality?

Yeah it is like this never happened or it was 500 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPrHwmiUMH0

No need to go back to the 1960's. Just look at the recent past:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQqgVlk0NQ




Or even this week.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%e2%80%98george-zimmerman-20%e2%80%99-fami ly-demands-justice-after-white-homeowner-kills-black-man/ar-BBvwmJ7?li=BBnb fcL

Yes. It is so deeply ingrained into our society that many people can't even see it. It's "normal".


gondicar - 8/16/2016 at 01:48 AM

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Can anyone offer an explanation why the black Milwaukee community is rallying around a thug and criminal?

Because all the blacks in Milwaukee are thugs and criminals. Come on just say it, don't beat around the bush like that.


bob1954 - 8/16/2016 at 11:47 AM

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Can anyone offer an explanation why the black Milwaukee community is rallying around a thug and criminal?

They are just like Trump supporters. Their angst is understandable but they're rallying around the wrong person.


gondicar - 8/16/2016 at 12:12 PM

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I dont believe that and not saying there are not real problems in the ghettoes but in this case BLM should give the police more latitude and not start marching and stirring up the low information voters with police misconduct accusations.

Right. How dare they. You know, you can substitute "low info voters" for "black Milwaukee community" all you want but we know what you really mean.


gondicar - 8/16/2016 at 12:31 PM

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I dont believe that and not saying there are not real problems in the ghettoes but in this case BLM should give the police more latitude and not start marching and stirring up the low information voters with police misconduct accusations.

Right. How dare they. You know, you can substitute "low info voters" for "black Milwaukee community" all you want but we know what you really mean.


I am all for them protesting all day all nite if they choose. You are whitewashing the violence, the destruction of peoperty, the racist language, the anti police rhetoric in this wacky over reaction to one less gang banger.

No, I'm not whitewashing (interesting choice of words) anything. I'm calling out your racist words and tone in this thread.


bob1954 - 8/16/2016 at 01:33 PM

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I am all for them protesting all day all nite if they choose. You are whitewashing the violence, the destruction of peoperty, the racist language, the anti police rhetoric in this wacky over reaction to one less gang banger.

Why do you think they are doing it? There must be a reason. What do you think it is?


BrerRabbit - 8/16/2016 at 06:32 PM

There it is. You are out. I bet that feels freeing for ya.


2112 - 8/16/2016 at 06:46 PM

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I dont believe that and not saying there are not real problems in the ghettoes but in this case BLM should give the police more latitude and not start marching and stirring up the low information voters with police misconduct accusations.


I'm confused as to why you brought Trump voters into this conversation?


gondicar - 8/16/2016 at 07:24 PM

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Cant discuss without the usual accusations. Too bad. Another sign how far apart any resolution is.


Yeah, like this beaut: "There would be no rioting if cnnn and msnbc stay away and dont instigate the crowds into false machismo because Don Lemon is down there asking dumb questions and Chris Hayes is sniffing blm saggy pants."


Bhawk - 8/16/2016 at 08:29 PM

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Cant discuss without the usual accusations. Too bad. Another sign how far apart any resolution is.


Yeah, like this beaut: "There would be no rioting if cnnn and msnbc stay away and dont instigate the crowds into false machismo because Don Lemon is down there asking dumb questions and Chris Hayes is sniffing blm saggy pants."


Them folks wouldn't be gettin' all riled up if the media wasn't doin' it. We all know them folks can't do no thinkin' on their own. Goober'll tells ya.


BrerRabbit - 8/17/2016 at 12:10 AM

So, do you feel like you are a racist?


OriginalGoober - 8/17/2016 at 12:55 AM

Why answer as it wont change anyone who believes that illegal immigration needs to be stopped and supports Truump is a racist


BrerRabbit - 8/17/2016 at 01:31 AM

Don't feel defensive, it's perfectly normal to be a racist. There are certainly varying degrees, but everyone is a racist to some extent, old evolutionary adaptation to detect threats to the family group. Like baboons with pink *sses trying to kill baboons with purple *sses, that kind of thing.

It might even be racist to pick on people for whom racism is an important part of their ethnic heritage.

As Brendan Gleeson said in the film The Guard:

"I'm Irish, sure! Racism is part of my culture!"


BoytonBrother - 8/17/2016 at 02:13 AM

Goober, Brer is right. It's not all one way or the other. There are shades of grey and a large degree scale. Nobody is saying you are on the far end like the KKK. Despite your issues, I wouldn't assume you dislike somebody solely because of their race. With that being said, you do seem to be slightly higher on the scale than the average American. If you are serious about anything, you might want to consider it being true if more than one person is pointing it out, and just try to figure out why it is that way for you.


gondicar - 8/17/2016 at 11:44 AM

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No white person is safe.

Well there you have it, Trump's entire message boiled down to 5 words. I'll give you credit for coming right out and saying it though, as opposed to the dog whistle tactics that Trump has been using.


BoytonBrother - 8/17/2016 at 12:24 PM

I doubt he'll chime in. It's too difficult for him to consider being somewhere on the racist scale. Everyone else can admit it, except for Goober.


BrerRabbit - 8/17/2016 at 04:49 PM



David St. Hubbins: We say, "Love your brother." We don't say it really, but...

Nigel Tufnel: We don't literally say it.

David St. Hubbins: No, we don't say it.

Nigel Tufnel: We don't really, literally mean it.

David St. Hubbins: No, we don't believe it either, but...

Nigel Tufnel: But we're not racists.

David St. Hubbins: But that message should be clear, anyway.

Nigel Tufnel: We're anything but racists.


alloak41 - 8/17/2016 at 09:42 PM

Accusing someone of being a racist in Obamaland is like accusing someone of having a pulse.


jkeller - 8/17/2016 at 09:51 PM

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Accusing someone of being a racist in Obamaland is like accusing someone of having a pulse.


Another alloak snarky troll post that was intended to get a response and nothing else.

Here is your response.

I hope it helped improve your pitiful existence.


BoytonBrother - 8/17/2016 at 10:52 PM

Alloak, what do you disagree with in my previous post about degrees of racism?


alloak41 - 8/17/2016 at 11:39 PM

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Alloak, what do you disagree with in my previous post about degrees of racism?


Nothing. What would you guys be doing if it wasn't making your constant racist, hypocrisy, armchair
psychoanalyses, appraisal of intelligence levels, what have you.....Or grading the level of someones
existence based solely on political views?

It's humbling to be in the company of such perfection. Try to keep us in line until we come around
to agreeing with you on everything.


BrerRabbit - 8/17/2016 at 11:52 PM

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It's humbling to be in the company of such perfection. Try to keep us in line until
we come around to agreeing with you on everything.



Bhawk - 8/18/2016 at 02:53 AM

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Alloak, what do you disagree with in my previous post about degrees of racism?


Nothing. What would you guys be doing if it wasn't making your constant racist, hypocrisy, armchair
psychoanalyses, appraisal of intelligence levels, what have you.....Or grading the level of someones
existence based solely on political views?

It's humbling to be in the company of such perfection. Try to keep us in line until we come around
to agreeing with you on everything.


Coming from the guy who has called all who disagree with him a low-info idiot as many times as he has, this is hilarious.


BoytonBrother - 8/18/2016 at 12:44 PM

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Nothing. What would you guys be doing if it wasn't making your constant racist, hypocrisy, armchair
psychoanalyses, appraisal of intelligence levels, what have you.....Or grading the level of someones
existence based solely on political views?

It's humbling to be in the company of such perfection. Try to keep us in line until we come around
to agreeing with you on everything.


Do you honestly not see that you do the same, and everyone here does the same? It's all part of the discussion from both sides. The fact that you see it only from one side says it all. And clearly you have no real interest in discussing it as a possibility. I guess that topic is off limits to you. Strange.


gondicar - 8/18/2016 at 01:56 PM

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Accusing someone of being a racist in Obamaland is like accusing someone of having a pulse.


Exactly. Besides, racism doesn't exist anymore in America especially now that we have a black president. If only those nasty liberals would stop stirring up the low information voters then we'd all be getting along just fine.


gondicar - 8/18/2016 at 01:57 PM

It seems that goober has deleted a bunch of his posts from this thread...wonder why?


bob1954 - 8/18/2016 at 02:05 PM

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It seems that goober has deleted a bunch of his posts from this thread...wonder why?

Maybe he sobered up.


MartinD28 - 8/18/2016 at 03:14 PM

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It seems that goober has deleted a bunch of his posts from this thread...wonder why?

Maybe he sobered up.


Does that mean he's no longer hosting the Trump Victory Party?


BrerRabbit - 8/19/2016 at 08:30 PM

Haha probably got concerned that half a million drooling Allman Brothers fans were going to throw another Watkins Glen at his lake house.


BIGV - 8/19/2016 at 08:52 PM

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It's humbling to be in the company of such perfection. Try to keep us in line until we come around
to agreeing with you on everything.


Exactly.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views."


jkeller - 8/19/2016 at 09:00 PM

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It's humbling to be in the company of such perfection. Try to keep us in line until we come around
to agreeing with you on everything.


Exactly.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views."



Nothing beats a generalization so broad that it can never be proven to be right or wrong.


bob1954 - 8/19/2016 at 09:39 PM

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It's humbling to be in the company of such perfection. Try to keep us in line until we come around
to agreeing with you on everything.

Exactly.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views."

Everyone is the same, liberals, conservatives, Americans, Mid-Easterners, Christians, Muslims. They all recognize that there are people with different views, but they also know those views are wrong. It seems to be human nature.


jkeller - 8/19/2016 at 09:45 PM

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It's humbling to be in the company of such perfection. Try to keep us in line until we come around
to agreeing with you on everything.

Exactly.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views."

Everyone is the same, liberals, conservatives, Americans, Mid-Easterners, Christians, Muslims. They all recognize that there are people with different views, but they also know those views are wrong. It seems to be human nature.



Actually, it is a pretty stupid statement. It implies says that liberals are unaware of opposing views in a time that opposing views control both houses of Congress. It is just a broad generalization that means absolutely nothing.


bob1954 - 8/19/2016 at 09:49 PM

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It's humbling to be in the company of such perfection. Try to keep us in line until we come around
to agreeing with you on everything.

Exactly.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views."

Everyone is the same, liberals, conservatives, Americans, Mid-Easterners, Christians, Muslims. They all recognize that there are people with different views, but they also know those views are wrong. It seems to be human nature.

Actually, it is a pretty stupid statement. It implies says that liberals are unaware of opposing views in a time that opposing views control both houses of Congress. It is just a broad generalization that means absolutely nothing.

I oppose that view.


jkeller - 8/19/2016 at 09:58 PM

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It's humbling to be in the company of such perfection. Try to keep us in line until we come around
to agreeing with you on everything.

Exactly.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views."

Everyone is the same, liberals, conservatives, Americans, Mid-Easterners, Christians, Muslims. They all recognize that there are people with different views, but they also know those views are wrong. It seems to be human nature.

Actually, it is a pretty stupid statement. It implies says that liberals are unaware of opposing views in a time that opposing views control both houses of Congress. It is just a broad generalization that means absolutely nothing.

I oppose that view.


At least you acknowledge that it exists.


BoytonBrother - 8/21/2016 at 12:38 AM

I guess liberals are out of line to think that Trump's comments today are a bit racist. I guess liberals are taking it the wrong way when he says that blacks live in poverty and have nothing to lose. If you are someone who agrees with his comments today, then you are uneducated first, then racist second.


alloak41 - 8/21/2016 at 01:58 AM

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I guess liberals are out of line to think that Trump's comments today are a bit racist. I guess liberals are taking it the wrong way when he says that blacks live in poverty and have nothing to lose. If you are someone who agrees with his comments today, then you are uneducated first, then racist second.


He's right, though. Blacks have continued to lose ground. They have nothing to lose
voting for him. What do they stand to lose? A vast improvement under Hillary Clinton?
Please.


BoytonBrother - 8/21/2016 at 01:39 PM

as I said


gondicar - 8/21/2016 at 03:46 PM

Trumps remarks were a freakin joke as is entire campaign.


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