Thread: Derek's reluctance to do more Brothers shows

Delawhere - 4/3/2020 at 04:06 PM

I enjoyed reading the post-Brothers interview with Chuck Leavell in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and especially when he said he would love to be part of The Brothers shows in the future. Which brings us to Derek, who made it pretty clear he would not be open to playing with them again,

We all know Derek made it a point to distance himself from the ABB while he established TTB and that’s fine and understandable. We also know that he sacrificed to stay with the ABB in its final years out of loyalty and respect for the music and the musicians who created it.

Derek has said that he doesn’t know if they could move the music forward if they continued playing together, and his dedication to his craft can’t be questioned. Still, I wish he would reconsider. I’m not talking about a tour, but I am talking about an annual Beacon run in March.

And that’s because there is one factor that I don’t think he considers – the absolute joy that the music of the ABB brings to its fans, which was very obvious during the Madison Square Garden show. We all know the family feeling at the heart of the ABB and the special bond we’ve always felt with the band and each other. Having all of those guys together on-stage again was incredible and the music was fantastic and, once again, the ABB family was able to experience it together.

That’s why I hope Derek reconsiders and becomes part of an annual Beacon run. That would still leave him 11 months out of the year to pursue TTB and his own destiny. Plus, an annual run would allow people like Devon Allman, Duane Betts, Berry Oakley Jr. and Lamar Williams Jr. to take part and represent the Brothers who have gone on to their final reward, not to mention a chance to play again with ABB alumni like Jack Pearson and Jimmy Herring.

So, please Derek, don’t think about the legacy and direction of the music as much as the joy that music brings to so many of us. As Ben Parker said to his nephew, Peter, with great power comes great responsibility.

Thanks for listening. Pax…


Jack_Frost - 4/3/2020 at 04:21 PM

If Derek doesn't want to do anymore Brothers shows, they could bring in Jack Pearson and I would be MORE than okay with that...


hotlantatim - 4/3/2020 at 04:46 PM

I too would travel to the Beacon to see The Brothers with Jack Pearson and Chuck Leavell in the band with Warren, Jaimoe, Oteil & Marc (those 6 ended up on stage together at Peach 2017). I'm not sure it would have the same drawing power without Derek, but that lineup could do a couple Beacon weekends, I'm sure.

I'm not sure Derek 100% closed the door on more. Chuck was interviewed the next day with a high from the night before with his excitement level (understandably).

I'm still blown away with what they pulled off at MSG.


Soup - 4/3/2020 at 06:23 PM

I think that show at MSG was certainly a "testing of the waters". I get where Derek is coming from. He's a consummate artist. Always moving forward, never wants to be in a "nostalgia" situation. Even when he was making great money playing in the ABB, it was never his career goal. And I respect him for that.

However, I do think that when the world gets back to normal, in a year or whatever it takes, The Brothers will exist as a touring entity. I don't anticipate 80-100 dates per year, nor do I want that. But I can see a Beacon run and 25-30 shed shows in the summer for sure. Peachfest also. It just makes sense.

Of course it wasn't the same without Gregg and Butch, but it was absolutely wonderful to see and hear that music played live again. They'll do it again at some point. I firmly believe it. Wishful thinking? maybe.


hotlantatim - 4/3/2020 at 06:53 PM

Don't think Jaimoe is up for that level of an actual tour. They don't do it without him. And it seemed extra special to have Chuck involved to. He sounded up for a Beacon run, but doubt he'd commit to a summer shed run.

My guess is it turns into nothing. My second guess would be a Beacon run of 5-8 dates March 2021.


JimSheridan - 4/3/2020 at 07:00 PM

I really do respect Derek's desire to move forward. And yeah, I don't see Jaimoe touring.

That being said, that show was amazing almost to the point of being surprising at how well they pulled it off. I should not have been so surprised but there ya go.

I don't think Derek would ever tour with them, but I'd go see Jackie P.

In the meantime, in that TTB broadcast last night, they surely did do a nice "Don't Keep Me Wondering."


Delawhere - 4/3/2020 at 07:25 PM

I agree that a tour, even a short one, would be too much to ask. As I stated in my original post, an annual Beacon run would be good enough. It would be less stress on the entire band, and not just Jaimoe. Plus, people could plan for it, just like we did in the old days, and even though the Madison Square Garden show was wonderful, we all know there's nothing quite like Beacon magic.

I also agree that if Derek remains adamant, then Jack Pearson would be a more than suitable replacement and I would attend a show in a heartbeat. Still, Derek brings something special to the mix, so I'll continue to cross my fingers and hope that he sees the light.


Marley - 4/3/2020 at 07:26 PM

Derek is the only one who's openly said he doesn't want to do more of these. That doesn't mean he's the only one who feels that way. But doing a run or a tour means a bunch more songs to rehearse and a lot more time taken away from everyone's other projects. That's separate from the question of whether a band like that could really sell out a bunch of theater dates given what the MSG response was really like; I'm very skeptical but it's not my department. The thing that's interesting is that the younger guys, but especially Derek from what we can see, take a very conservative approach to the band's legacy and history and have strong views about how it should be treated — whether it's a good idea to associate the ABB name with a show that has one original band member, or lots of people who weren't in the band, or a show that might be under-rehearsed if it has lots of guests, or whether it just starts to mean less if it happens again and again. The band finished on a high note in 2014 and might've done it again in 2020. Would that happen a third time?


fender31 - 4/3/2020 at 07:47 PM

I think they were happy with the 1 show in NYC, but I could see them doing a show in Macon or Atlanta and maybe get Mr.Betts to play 1-3 songs with them...


BIGV - 4/3/2020 at 07:54 PM

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And that’s because there is one factor that I don’t think he considers – the absolute joy that the music of the ABB brings to its fans..


Derek will do, what Derek wants to do, not from a selfish point of view at all. It is his and his families decision alone. Breaking up the dtb was his choice as well....and life went on, as did the music.

Man, I have been a fan of this band since 1973, my first show was in Oakland, Ca of that same year. My interest level has slowly diminished as time as traveled on because of the unfortunate deaths that have occurred. Over that time, Gregg did his very best to keep the music alive, but as the hands of the clock continued to do their thing, this entity we call the "Allman Brothers" has morphed into a group of players covering music laid down by the players before them, a glorified cover band. Reason all you want about how long Warren has stood beside Gregg and "Carried" the torch, but the truth is he is far from being an original member.

They all got together to give us one more farewell performance.

Thanks guys.


Marley - 4/3/2020 at 08:12 PM

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And that’s because there is one factor that I don’t think he considers – the absolute joy that the music of the ABB brings to its fans

I overlooked this the first time, but ... what? He was in the band for 15 years and knows how the fans feel about the music. If the music didn't make fans happy, there wouldn't be anybody to play for. It's just not the only thing he's thinking about. There's the time and logistical side of it, but also, Derek talks a lot about wanting to bring his A game all the time, serve the music, and play with the right intention. It's a big deal for him that music he makes to come from an heartfelt place, and if you don't really want to do it or you're only playing it because the fans like it, it doesn't have that.


Holt - 4/3/2020 at 08:13 PM

Derek has a "made up mind". He has for a long time. Personally I don't see anything left for any of them to prove by playing ABB material live. They left it all on the table with the live shows and releases like 40. What's left? Another album?! Out of all of them the only ones who would consistently write music would be Warren and Jack. I'm pretty sure at the very least you'll see a one off in the future with a different lineup. If a tour happened with Jack fans would likely see only east coast shows as the ABB was pretty much doing anyway. I've moved on and am following several different bands both inside and outside of the ABB family these days. There's a plethora of great live ABB music I have in my library that more than keeps me satisfied and I said my goodbye to the band at PeachFest 2017.


Joe_the_Lurker - 4/4/2020 at 02:35 PM

Derek has a "made up mind", and, he asks us to please "let him get by" by leaving enough "signs" for all to see.

But wouldn't it be great if there was a couple Dead & Co/Brothers double bill shows? Or a couple festival appearances where The Brothers' other bands are appearing?

For me personally, if they ever did play again, I wouldn't pay again what I paid to see the MSG show. It was worth it to me, but for one time only.


ABB-NYG - 4/4/2020 at 05:22 PM

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porkchopbob - 4/4/2020 at 05:41 PM

I know everyone is here and wants more only because they love the Allman Brothers, but...

...be thankful for what they gave us!

45 years (on and off) of amazing music, just think of how many times they could have stopped. Both Warren and Derek (and Jaimoe, to a lesser extent) still play this music in their own bands. Warren and Derek carried the band on their shoulders, even while Gregg wasn't that into it. Let that sink it! 14 more years of shows, they don't owe us anything. They've earned the right to do their own thing. The Brothers show was a great moment that nearly didn't happen (and plenty of people were even complaining about that). Just enjoy it, rather than try to get blood from a stone.


ABB-NYG - 4/4/2020 at 05:49 PM

ABB

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porkchopbob - 4/4/2020 at 06:05 PM

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if you can tell me you have sen any show in the last 5 years that was better than the Brothers show at MSG you are either a liar or not the biggest ABB fan you may claim to be...

I appreciate your love for the music, but this makes no sense. Whether or not the MSG show is the best does not mean they owe anyone more, nor quantifies anyone's fandom. Just be glad it happened at all, because it very nearly didn't.

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WarEagleRK - 4/4/2020 at 06:08 PM

You gotta love when someone says something potentially inflammatory then follow it up with "don't really care who disagrees with me, it's my opinion" then immediately afterward they call someone who tangentially disagrees with them a liar or not a big fan if they don't follow the same line of thinking. When you do that it seems like you might actually care who disagrees with you. Why so angry?

None of these guys owe anyone anything, including playing certain festivals. On and off for 45 years they left it on the stage every night. We paid, they delivered. Contract over. Beyond that, everyone involved can do what they want. It's up to us as the fans to decide if we want to follow them down that road.

If Derek or Warren don't want to play the Peach or Wanee, it's their decision. There has been back stabbing in this band, but not doing festivals associated with the ABB is not back stabbing nor is it disrespectful to the fans. Both Derek and Warren have moved on, but still paid respect to the music in their own shows. Who do they owe? Who are being betrayed? The band is over. It has been for 6 years.

At some point Derek and Warren felt the need to move on in order to follow their own muse, the fans can choose if they want to follow him along that path. It's not disrespect that they moved forward, nor is it disrespect of the fans don't follow. It's a new deal with different terms.

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ABB-NYG - 4/4/2020 at 06:17 PM

ABB

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Stephen - 4/4/2020 at 06:26 PM

“They need to pay fans the respect we paid them”
Which was exactly what they had in mind in doing the March 10 show

They’ve given us plenty - even since Oct 27-28, 2014 -
in terms of “more” I’d sure like to see an official release of 3/10 MSG - same thing w/the March 2017 Butch tribute in Ardmore PA, & last November’s Duane birthday tribute in Brklyn NY playing that Muscle Shoals music

But we have the 40th anniversary DVD, plus Gregg’s 2, All My Friends & Return To Macon, Dickey’s from 2018
- the 2017 Peach Festival show was mentioned, Wanee etc.....
So all is good

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ABB-NYG - 4/4/2020 at 06:29 PM

ABB

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WarEagleRK - 4/4/2020 at 07:03 PM

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ok wareaglerk (lol tough guy) I will play. do I really think they owe us? no, do I thonk it is the right thing to do, **** YES. **** off douche


Obviously someone who doesn't care what others think.


Holt - 4/4/2020 at 07:04 PM

As a long time fan the only thing left that I'd personally want or like to see from the ABB is a nice multi-track release of the Oteil and Jack Pearson years overseen or recommended by Jack. 1998 in particular or maybe Beacon '99. Don't even need a complete show. Maybe a compilation of the most high quality (performance-wise) tracks over multiple shows? I know Bert mentioned in a Billboard interview just days after GA passed that they had a '93 show from a small theatre in Fresno, CA and an '05 show from Erie, PA and that they wanted Jack in on recommending material for a release from his time with the band. Please DO THAT! I'd probably be in on buying a DVD of Atlanta Pop with Duane too if that ever came out. But other than that I'm good. They've given plenty. Plenty. More than a lot of other bands. At the risk of putting more fuel on the fire here I'll say while I do find it VERY odd that DT doesn't play the Peach(yet for example also played the Outlaw fest at same venue a few weeks later) and didn't play Wanee in recent years they or any band can certainly play wherever their booking agent books them(if it's a place I don't like I just won't go). Personally I've kinda moved a little further away from TTB anyway. I follow Warren and others more these days. And if "the Brothers" ever did anything again I'd personally from a pure musical perspective much rather see them with Jack Pearson than DT anyway. Also whoever mentioned Dead and Co. above with The Brothers I'd rather see a "The Brothers" with, say, Phil Lesh and Friends. When they announced it(D&C) in 2015 I wasn't to keen and I waited a few years to catch them. When I caught them in 2018 at Lockn' it was a nice performance from a technical standpoint . . . but not enough to really pull me in . . . I don't find D&C very interesting at all . . . mostly due to their younger front man.

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WarEagleRK - 4/4/2020 at 07:15 PM

I think maybe a good highlight 3 CD set of every tour would be nice. Do it like that "Cream Of The Crop 2003" release from a couple of years ago. In fact, you can call it "Cream Of The Crop" and do a 2 or 3 disc release from every year.


MarkRamsey - 4/4/2020 at 07:22 PM

Is there anything funnier on the internet than someone who won't even use their own name talking all Billy badass ?


gotdrumz - 4/4/2020 at 07:31 PM

It is kewl they did the recent show, and it is kewl if they do or don't perform more shows. (IMHO)


ABB-NYG - 4/4/2020 at 07:55 PM

ABB

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porkchopbob - 4/4/2020 at 08:12 PM

Dude, you can have your opinion, just be prepared for people to respectfully disagree with you.

But seriously chill the feck out. You're being a dick to everyone.


Stephen - 4/4/2020 at 08:34 PM

Understood - no one is doubting your right to your opinion, they just don’t agree with it
Jaimoe looked.a bit the worse for wear after all he put into the show - I say leave it right there (March 10), he’s the last one & is probly thinkin the same
It sold out Madison Sq Garden, & fans saw a great final chapter


Marley - 4/4/2020 at 08:43 PM

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total back stab IMO, that music will never die and they were an integral part of it, and honestly, probably the best ever when they hit the note. sorry, but yeah, they need to pay fans the respect we paid them.

What you're saying here is disrespectful of these guys as human beings. They're not files on your computer, they're people with free will and their own lives and careers. They owe you (and us) nothing they don't want to give. How could they possibly owe you a performance they (apparently) don't want to put on? Whose backs are they stabbing - people whose money they aren't taking? Band members who they had close relationships with and worked with for 10 or 20 years, and who've died? Members of their own actual families? If you want them to do something they don't want to do, it's fine to be disappointed. But to act like they owe it to you and what they want doesn't matter or that they're being hurtful or disrespectful is gross.


BIGV - 4/4/2020 at 08:46 PM

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You peopel are happy to let it end, sorry, NO I AM NOT.


OK. Now we know how you feel, but why all the anger over a different take?

You are certainly entitled to your own point of view, but everyone here is a fan, my first show was in '73.

Again, why all the anger?


ABB-NYG - 4/4/2020 at 08:50 PM

ABB

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ABB-NYG - 4/4/2020 at 08:59 PM

ABB

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BIGV - 4/4/2020 at 09:05 PM

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I only go there because people push me.


You can choose not to be pushed. Your anger is no one's fault but yours....


ABB-NYG - 4/4/2020 at 09:08 PM

ABB

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ABB-NYG - 4/4/2020 at 09:32 PM

Ok guys, only thread I posted on in a long time.
The Derek thing triggered me and has been a thorn in my side for a long, long time.
Apologies if I offended and you took any offense and yes, I am drunk
But know this, I love The Allman Brothers Band.
I am thankful that I lived close enough to the Beacon to see the number of shows that I have over the years.
I loved the Brothers at MSG and I miss them
If Warren Derek, Marc and Oteil never play again together, it would be a travesty in my mind
I am not asking for Beacon runs
I am not asking for every year
I am just asking for something, sometime, for the joy of the music...

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Stephen - 4/4/2020 at 09:48 PM

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I only go there because people push me.


You can choose not to be pushed. Your anger is no one's fault but yours....

My anger is because of the lack of respect displayed by the people that are only where they are because of being in the band. Not do much Warren. He shows respect....Derek pisses me off.


Derek has never shown anything but respect for the legacy of, & his amazing chops with, the ABB - he was a well respected guitarist b4 joining in 1999, the ABB alone didn’t lift him to prominence

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stormyrider - 4/4/2020 at 10:07 PM

The music lives on
It continues to be played.
Personally, I think it would be a travesty if they played repeatedly together with 1 or none of the original members.
Derek has said a living, breathing band has to write and record new music. He also believes in continuing to push forward.
I agree. The band gave as a great send-off in 2014 and a great tribute last month.

So let's listen to some new music, and at the same time get some more archival releases. We need some archival releases.


porkchopbob - 4/4/2020 at 10:15 PM

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Ok guys, only thread I posted on in a long time.
The Derek thing triggered me and has been a thorn in my side for a long, long time.
Apologies if I offended and you took any offense and yes, I am drunk
But know this, I love The Allman Brothers Band.
I am thankful that I lived close enough to the Beacon to see the number of shows that I have over the years.
I loved the Brothers at MSG and I miss them
If Warren Derek, Marc and Oteil never play again together, it would be a travesty in my mind
I am not asking for Beacon runs
I am not asking for every year
I am just asking for something, sometime, for the joy of the music...


Hey dude, we all miss it. Nobody loves the music more than those guys on stage.

The music will live on.

Cheers to that


owencarol - 4/5/2020 at 12:01 AM

I think porkchopbob stated his opinion very succinctly. The men that created the ABB music are the ones that most likely miss it the most. We as fans, some of which have seen the band, in different lineups, many times, are the fortunate ones that get the vibe. Never in my long life, have as band influenced me the way the ABB has done. I'm 70, in a couple of months, and music has been my passion since kid hood. Cheers to the ABB and all they have given us!


Stephen - 4/5/2020 at 12:03 AM

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ABB is the best band that ever was, most incarnations. the last one was the best IMO.
IT IS NOT DEBATABLE

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( lol)We should get you & blackey in the same room & digress further
My ringside seat would be reserved, hehe
Of course you both agree, as do all here, w/the 1st part of your first sentence


ABB-NYG - 4/5/2020 at 12:40 AM

I was not trying in any way to diminish or discredit anyone's opinion, or incur that anyone that disagrees is wrong.


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ABB-NYG - 4/5/2020 at 12:48 AM

And yes, I was an **** tonight and said things I should not have and attacked people that really had no right to

I apologize wareagleRK




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WarEagleRK - 4/5/2020 at 12:53 AM

No apology need, I was never offended.

Next time put a breathalyzer on that wifi connection.


ABB-NYG - 4/5/2020 at 01:13 AM

Damn was I wrong....




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blackey - 4/5/2020 at 02:18 AM

Warren and Derek did become millionaires mostly because of the ABB. So did Gregg and Jaimoe. And Dickey is richer than all of them and we don't expect Dickey to play now. Actually Dickey can't play and sing well now and is closing in on 77 years old. Derek called Dickey and said much of this is your music so you need to be here but Dickey said he can't travel now but you guys let it rip.

Duane Allman is responsible for a lot of musicians becoming wealthy due to his band but he himself didnt make that much. Gregg said his brother got cheated. Just as the money started rolling in and he got one big check off Fillnore East he got killed.

For me the original band is the best because they invented the classic ABB sound and all six of them had a different style but mixed together it was the Allman Brothers sound and they wrote and arranged, even the covers, most of the band's songbook.

I saw the originial band over a dozen times and have listened to Fillmore East and Eat A Peach so much since 1971 and 2 that I notice Duane and Berry aren't there and it sounds different. There is a difference I hear and I miss Duane and Berry. Of course the Chuck Lamar lineup is different. Very different sounding ABB. But saw some smoking shows from that lineup especially in 1973.

They almost ruined their legacy in late 1980 to 1982 when they fired Jaimoe and added Mike Lawler. They REALLY sounded different then and it was difficult to hear some of those songs and think back to what Duane had put together.

All of the 1989 to 2014 lineups where much better and lots of strong shows but it did take a few years for me to adjust to Dickey being out because his sound was so huge to the sound of the band. And Butch saying they were slowly dumping Dickey's songs. I agreed Blue Sky should be dropped.

Derek is concerned a full tour with one original member and no Gregg on vocals would slowly evolve into another situation like 1981. He is very protective of the band's legacy. And I know from what Derek has said and a source that Derek was ready to move full time I

Innto his own project in 2009 but was pressured to give it another 5 years and he did. So he gave us five more years than he would have.

But I also agree with our friend who said he wrote while being half seas over. That MSG was a real good show and it would be good to see that lineup to does perhaps a 5 to 6 show Beacon.

But without Gregg's vocals and Jaimoe's age, to put it back on the road again, it could slowly devolve into something that Derek doesn't want to see.

We have some promise with Allman Betts Band. I saw them a few months ago and some real nice ABB songs but they also do non ABB material so it doesnt feel like an ABB show but MSG did except Gregg's vocals missing was noticed but the playing was so good that you still liked it. Yeah would seeing several shows of a big tour without Gregg begin to wear thin? Apparently Derek doesnt want to see that happen.


DJTrader - 4/5/2020 at 02:48 AM

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Derek is concerned a full tour with one original member and no Gregg on vocals would slowly evolve into another situation like 1981. He is very protective of the band's legacy. And I know from what Derek has said and a source that Derek was ready to move full time I






I respect this logic but dont fully comprehend it.

The band's legacy ended when the band played their last show in 2014. Whether or not anybody thinks they were a cover band at that point in time is beyond the point. They were playing as The Allman Brothers Band until 10/282014.

Any performances beyond that time and as another name, The Brothers or anything else, does not impact the legacy of ABB, much like the work of Dead & Co does not impact The Grateful Dead.

John Mayer is not Dead canon now. Much like any future work of The Brothers would not be ABB canon, imo. Derek knows better, and understands people want to hear ABB now more than ever; he inadvertantly admits this when he plays ABB with TTB, something he never did with dtb.

My ultimate point is that Derek can be stubborn and after seeing a demand for ABB music being played, this may develop into a few more shows or a small Beacon run without Trucks becoming concerned this will dilute the ABB legacy.


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CanadianMule - 4/5/2020 at 03:40 AM

Take away the Allman Brothers name.

If this group of players got together and called themselves The Flying, Leaping Jumping Scary Monkeys and didn't play a single ABB song - I would go every time.

The added history of the ABB and the songs is just an absolute bonus.

One Set of ABB

One set of Anything they want - with any guest that they want

Finish with an ABB classic - who is going?

The majority of us.


ABB-NYG - 4/5/2020 at 04:16 AM

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Warren and Derek did become millionaires mostly because of the ABB. So did Gregg and Jaimoe. And Dickey is richer than all of them and we don't expect Dickey to play now. Actually Dickey can't play and sing well now and is closing in on 77 years old. Derek called Dickey and said much of this is your music so you need to be here but Dickey said he can't travel now but you guys let it rip.

-Never would have expected Dickey at MSG show. No animosity though on why not

Duane Allman is responsible for a lot of musicians becoming wealthy due to his band but he himself didnt make that much. Gregg said his brother got cheated. Just as the money started rolling in and he got one big check off Fillnore East he got killed.

- Yes, sad he did not see his seed bear fruit...

For me the original band is the best because they invented the classic ABB sound and all six of them had a different style but mixed together it was the Allman Brothers sound and they wrote and arranged, even the covers, most of the band's songbook.

- Originals were outstanding and pioneering, something no one did before, and no one will do again

I saw the originial band over a dozen times and have listened to Fillmore East and Eat A Peach so much since 1971 and 2 that I notice Duane and Berry aren't there and it sounds different. There is a difference I hear and I miss Duane and Berry. Of course the Chuck Lamar lineup is different. Very different sounding ABB. But saw some smoking shows from that lineup especially in 1973.

- Nothing to say be envious.

They almost ruined their legacy in late 1980 to 1982 when they fired Jaimoe and added Mike Lawler. They REALLY sounded different then and it was difficult to hear some of those songs and think back to what Duane had put together.

- everyone lost it or sucked in the early eighties..

All of the 1989 to 2014 lineups where much better and lots of strong shows but it did take a few years for me to adjust to Dickey being out because his sound was so huge to the sound of the band. And Butch saying they were slowly dumping Dickey's songs. I agreed Blue Sky should be dropped.

- So my first show was at the Beacon in 96, with Dickey, Warren and Woody. That first show converted me like someone that becomes a born again (fill in the blank). By the time Dickey was being forced out, I actually supported it, because the first three years going to the Beacon to multiple shows on a run, every night was different. rarely repeating songs more than once or twice in 10 night runs. Then, in 98 or 99, it started getting bad. Dickey was getting sloppy and setlists were being repeated every other night. As someone that was drawn to the music being pushed to new levels, I felt Dickey started playing it safe and predicatble, to cover his habits. I welcomed the change and Pearon and Herring gave the music new life. When the DerekWarren era began, it was probbly like the old timers that were lucky enough to see DuaneDickey. You knew that duo respected the music, but built on it. Something I am sure Duane would have done

Derek is concerned a full tour with one original member and no Gregg on vocals would slowly evolve into another situation like 1981. He is very protective of the band's legacy. And I know from what Derek has said and a source that Derek was ready to move full time I

- I totally am supportive of maintaining the integrity of the music, and never "cashing in"

Innto his own project in 2009 but was pressured to give it another 5 years and he did. So he gave us five more years than he would have.

- Not familiar with this. no comment

But I also agree with our friend who said he wrote while being half seas over. That MSG was a real good show and it would be good to see that lineup to does perhaps a 5 to 6 show Beacon.

- I am not asking for anything except once in a while

But without Gregg's vocals and Jaimoe's age, to put it back on the road again, it could slowly devolve into something that Derek doesn't want to see.

- I would never want or be happy about a Dead and co type tour, unless they felt so energized and missed playing together so much, that the tour was necessary for them, not to cash in. If they did get the jones, Beacon would be just fine.

We have some promise with Allman Betts Band. I saw them a few months ago and some real nice ABB songs but they also do non ABB material so it doesnt feel like an ABB show but MSG did except Gregg's vocals missing was noticed but the playing was so good that you still liked it. Yeah would seeing several shows of a big tour without Gregg begin to wear thin? Apparently Derek doesnt want to see that happen.

- Allman Betts is great. Are they filling the full gap ABB left? of course not. But they are good, get better each time I see them, and the apple don't fall far from the tree. Originals are decent. Duane has a nice tone that can only be a Betts ex.Autumn Breeze




The band's legacy ended when the band played their last show in 2014. Whether or not anybody thinks they were a cover band at that point in time is beyond the point. They were playing as The Allman Brothers Band until 10/282014.

- True

Any performances beyond that time and as another name, The Brothers or anything else, does not impact the legacy of ABB, much like the work of Dead & Co does not impact The Grateful Dead.

- True

John Mayer is not Dead canon now. Much like any future work of The Brothers would not be ABB canon, imo. Derek knows better, and understands people want to hear ABB now more than ever; he inadvertantly admits this when he plays ABB with TTB, something he never did with dtb.

- I attribute this more that ABB is gone. Mule did the same IMO. There was no need to play ABB when they were playing so many Beacon shows, and touring in the summers.

My ultimate point is that Derek can be stubborn and after seeing a demand for ABB music being played, this may develop into a few more shows or a small Beacon run without Trucks becoming concerned this will dilute the ABB legacy.

- I do not think anyone can interpret what Derek is thinking, unless he states it in and interview or something. My guess about it, He does feel the music is something to protect, loves the freedom of creating new music and exploring his whim.
Probably am unpopular view that will instigate some backlash, but I kinda feel Derek got offended by some of the ABB community that trashes his wife. You have all seen it. You know it is out there. How would you deal with it, if you thought you were all family, and then heard and seen the minority that bad mouthed your wife any chance they got. It happened with Phil too.


robslob - 4/5/2020 at 06:12 AM

I totally understand Derek's stance!

He along with Warren out front had a huge part in holding up ABB's legacy for the last 15 years the band existed.

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT OUT OF DEREK?

This is NO different than Robert Plant doing ONE reunion show with Zep in 2007 then saying goodbye. Just like Plant, Derek has moved on musically into other genres with TTB and that's where he is at, at this point in time. It's 2020, not 2010.


SkyDog4President - 4/5/2020 at 07:24 AM

So I watched The Brothers concert live, in HD on a 55" Samsung with my Pops who saw the actual ABB countless times, front row, in NY any chance he got during the early to mid 70s. Needless to say, this music has always been (and continues to be) a big part of my life--musically and spiritually. There has never been another Duane Allman. The collaborative genius of the original six will never be recreated, IMHO (and I've listened to absolutely everything I can get my hands on my 69-71).

With that preface, I just have to chime in to say that what we witnessed at MSG on 3/10 was magical. Not trying to romanticize anything, but the ferocity, timing, and pure joy that was on that stage shouldn't be recreated. Yes, it obviously left much more to be desired, and all of us (myself included) craving for more. But they left it all out there. They played their hearts out. They played with a cohesiv-ness that was simply unfathomable after years apart and less than a week of practicing together. It was special. And the current climate makes it that much more special--given the fact that it was a mere hours/days away form not happening at all.

If Derek or anyone else does not want to dive back in with the group and play in the future, then I admire the decision for what it is. Part of me is dissapoointed, of course. I have watched DT's solo at the end of Mountain Jam from that night more times than I can count. Seeing him soar on his gold top with Duane Trucks jamming behind him is truly special.

But that night was special. If it happens to be, it is a mighty worthy swan song for Brother Jaimoe, if you ask me. My dad and I turned to each other multiple times throughout the 4+ hours of music that night, saying: "They don't want to stop playing. They're having too much fun." If that is where the Brothers "legacy" ends on, it is a far fitting way to wrap up 5 decades of music. Let the night live on with the candle still burning. No need for an encore.


Rusty - 4/5/2020 at 12:53 PM

I've met a few who were bigger ABB fans than me but most of those have passed on now.

How I wish that I could've made the trip to NYC last month! I know that was a spectacular event!

All of these players are artists in their own rights. Paying homage to the Allman Brother's Band is a fine thing, but most of these guys have their own legacies to develop. Derek should have the opportunity for people to look back at HIS musical contributions and marks instead of furthering the legacies of Duane and Dickey. Oh yeah - just my opinion here.


blackey - 4/5/2020 at 01:01 PM

I just remembered Jaimoe is playing on a festival this summer the Allman Betts Band is on and some of the guys in several bands with be joined by Jaimoe at the end for an ABB set.

So Jaimoe is going to play this summer.

This pandemic likely will cancel that and all shows here and in Europe.

Wouldn't it be frustrating if the MSG lineup had a tour this summer but had to be cancelled.

Every one be careful. Trump said yesterday that lots of people are going to die over the next two weeks. Could be 200,000 here in America.

I took my daily 2 mile walk this morning but wore a homemade facial covering this time.


IPowrie - 4/5/2020 at 02:51 PM

I want Derek to put his sole focus on his career. TTB is one of the best live bands out there right now. I think Derek cares about the legacy of the ABB and that's why they cover them.

I think that show at MSG should be the end. It was a really good show and they did the music justice. No need to do it again especially if all the players aren't into it.

What I think we'll see someday is a Wheels of Soul Tour that is TTB and Mule. In that situation an encore of ABB songs with members of both bands would be great.


WaitinForRain - 4/5/2020 at 03:45 PM

Derek owes nobody. And if the ghost of Col Hampton has a vote
it will not be to recycle the past. Derek can play that stuff if he turns
into a nostalgic old fart some day.

He has said in interviews he will carve his own
path regardless of the disgruntled fan base that gets
left behind. He smirks in your disgruntled direction.

He's right to be protective of his legacy.

There's nothing like people that only want an artist
to be a robot, if you have to keep having The Same Thing
then dust off your favorite media and press play.



griff - 4/5/2020 at 03:51 PM

Live in this moment.
If one tries to live in the past, it's already been written.
Go out there and take chances.
That's what it's all about.


DJTrader - 4/5/2020 at 04:17 PM

quote:
Derek owes nobody.

He has said in interviews he will carve his own
path regardless of the disgruntled fan base that gets
left behind. He smirks in your disgruntled direction.






Derek, like every paid musician, owes his fans everything. It is naive to think otherwise.


AlPaul - 4/5/2020 at 04:24 PM

FWIW, I personally think that while the anger and entitlement towards Derek or anyone else is wrong. the underlying sentiment that Derek, Warren, Oteil and Marc should be playing together more than once every 5 years is correct. They don't owe us or anyone anything. It's just damned good!


WarEagleRK - 4/5/2020 at 04:45 PM

quote:
quote:
Derek owes nobody.

He has said in interviews he will carve his own
path regardless of the disgruntled fan base that gets
left behind. He smirks in your disgruntled direction.






Derek, like every paid musician, owes his fans everything. It is naive to think otherwise.


He owes the fans the performance for the show they pay for. After that show is over, that contract is done until the next show.

To say he owes the fans to play the songs and music they want with the musicians they want him to play with is not true. More importantly, it's not fair to him or Warren or anyone else.

Yes, we love to see these musicians play together and I hope in some form once every year or every other year they can. It would be a shame of Warren & Derek never play together again, or never do another project together again. However if it doesn't happen ever again none of those guys owe us anything.


WaitinForRain - 4/5/2020 at 05:52 PM

Quote:
"Derek, like every paid musician, owes his fans everything. It is naive to think otherwise."

Disagree.

Gratitude for a career trajectory, yes. Work hard and deliver, yes.
Gratitude for fans, yes. If you don't like the product don't buy it.
If he wants to play ukelele for the next 10 years it's his life to live.

So no, he doesn't owe you a single thing.


BIGV - 4/5/2020 at 06:21 PM

quote:
quote:
Derek owes nobody.

He has said in interviews he will carve his own
path regardless of the disgruntled fan base that gets
left behind. He smirks in your disgruntled direction.


Derek, like every paid musician, owes his fans everything. It is naive to think otherwise.


"Naive"?.....Please....And just how long is he expected to "owe"? I would argue that the "Debt" is paid in full at the end of any performance he chooses and is financially rewarded to give.


Marley - 4/5/2020 at 11:59 PM

quote:
I respect this logic but dont fully comprehend it.

The band's legacy ended when the band played their last show in 2014. Whether or not anybody thinks they were a cover band at that point in time is beyond the point. They were playing as The Allman Brothers Band until 10/282014.

Any performances beyond that time and as another name, The Brothers or anything else, does not impact the legacy of ABB, much like the work of Dead & Co does not impact The Grateful Dead.

The band ended in 2014. Its legacy didn't - but a legacy is an intangible thing, right? What they're essentially saying is they don't want to do something cheap or embarrassing or gross. If the band had called it quits in 2014 and then they'd all played together the next year or they year after, you probably would have had fans wondering what was the big deal with the band "retiring" and you'd have had people muttering things like "cash grab" - which happens whenever a band says it's retiring and then drags it out. (To be fair only a minority of fans would've said that and most probably wouldn't have minded.)

I'm not saying either side is right or wrong, really. I think they should do whatever they want to do and I hope they enjoy it. But I appreciate that the band members have a different relationship to each other and the music and its history than we do as fans. They think the band set such a high standard that they don't want to do anything that takes away from that. Given all the problems the band had in the early 2010s with Gregg's health and such it's incredible they went out on the high note they did. So at least in their minds, anything they do after that is going to have to live up to that. The MSG show, at least to most fans' ears, did. They seem very happy with it. Can they do that a third time or more? If the last ABB/Brothers/whatever date ends up being an unceremonious gig at a state fair for 800 people in 2023 with (picking at random) Jaimoe, Warren, Marc, Jack, and some guys who were never in the ABB, does that kind of suck and fall short of the standard Duane and Gregg and everyone set? At least in their minds, it does.

I think that as a society we put way too much emphasis on things like legacies when enjoying what you have during the brief time you have it is probably more important. When people tell every athlete to quit at the top of his or her game, I think 'Why? They're doing what they want, and at some point they'll have to quit anyway - why do it a second earlier than they want to?' BUT: Derek and Warren and the others feel like they're taking care of someone else's legacy and not their own. Whether or not we'd make the same choices in their shoes, they take that legacy very seriously and I respect that. It's not because they don't care about the fans or don't appreciate them, but they're not going to put aside their own judgment and let fans or promoters or ticket sellers make these kinds of calls.


stormyrider - 4/6/2020 at 12:32 AM

you can bet if they did it again (and I hope they don't) there will be comments like "money grab"

example, the new Black Crowes tour.


JimSheridan - 4/6/2020 at 05:38 AM

Think about how great artists like Miles Davis, Bob Dylan, and Jeff Beck keep changing the line-ups they play with, even if it means disappointing some fans or losing some guaranteed bucks.

Derek is an artist. He does plenty to make his audience happy, but he's not likely to embark on a greatest hits tour.


funkyfitter - 4/6/2020 at 06:18 AM

The MSG show was absolutely fantastic ! Time to move on. Again. If another happens, great. If not, I'm still happy.


jszfunk - 4/6/2020 at 12:01 PM

quote:
I totally understand Derek's stance!

He along with Warren out front had a huge part in holding up ABB's legacy for the last 15 years the band existed.

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT OUT OF DEREK?

This is NO different than Robert Plant doing ONE reunion show with Zep in 2007 then saying goodbye. Just like Plant, Derek has moved on musically into other genres with TTB and that's where he is at, at this point in time. It's 2020, not 2010.


Good post rob. I pretty much mentioned the same thing in a prior thread with the Plant comparison.

Selfish reasons , I would love to hear more. But I get where he is coming from, that is his choice, and well deserved. Keep it sacred and special. Chuck, Jaimoe and Reese are up there in years. Not sure they would be up for a full tour. I personally don't see the unit that was "The Brothers" doing a full tour anytime soon or even at all. Maybe getting together individually for sit ins, yeah , for sure.

As long as the ABB family bands keep the music alive, I have no problem.

Plant is that way. He wants to move forward, create new music , not live in the past. Some of it might have to do with Bonham, maybe? I think if Jimmy got off of his rear and reached out to him and Jones with something new to create, possibly could.


Whatever happens, happens. We shall see what the future holds.


Delawhere - 4/6/2020 at 01:43 PM

For the record, since I started this thread, I never said Derek owed anybody anything. I appreciate all the years he gave to the ABB and I respect his right to decide his own career path. I simply said I wish he would reconsider because the ABB music is so beloved by so many. Basically, I echo what Alan Paul said in an earlier response -- I just want to hear these guys play together more, and in my mind a short, annual Beacon run would be perfect, because it would still give them 11 months out of the year to pursue their own careers. You know, it is possible to have your cake and eat it, too...


DJTrader - 4/6/2020 at 03:00 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Derek owes nobody.

He has said in interviews he will carve his own
path regardless of the disgruntled fan base that gets
left behind. He smirks in your disgruntled direction.


Derek, like every paid musician, owes his fans everything. It is naive to think otherwise.


"Naive"?.....Please....And just how long is he expected to "owe"? I would argue that the "Debt" is paid in full at the end of any performance he chooses and is financially rewarded to give.


He owes as long as he gains from what the fans provide, simple as that. Look, I'm not saying we as fans dont also get something from musicians. And I'm certainly not implying musicians are solely here for our entertainment but they get a lot from the "deal."

If not for Abb, for example, Butch would be a math teacher. I dont know many math teachers that have villas in the French countryside. In exchange for a rockstar lifestyle, why is it so outrageous for us (hardcore) fans to expect things like respect, gratitude, basic communication etc?

Also, and in other ABB examples, this forum has agreed that musicians owe their fans: I was on this site during the Gregg Allman autopen incident and many people believed he "owed" the fans beyond just a simple refund. I was also on this site from 2005-2012 when there was about 7000 threads abput how ABB and their management owed the fans better (or any) communication. So, feel free to disagree with me, that is your right but we all know there are plenty of instances when this site believes musicians owed their fans something.


JimSheridan - 4/6/2020 at 03:24 PM

Derek certainly gives respect, gratitude, and communication. That one is easy. The guy gives very articulate interviews, started a fan club so people could get more merch if they want, and has been broadcasting free concerts every Thursday night. That is plenty.

"As for Plant, it seemed pretty evident to me that the reason he didn't do a Zep tour is because he can't even come close to singing like he used to. I don't think he wanted to get on stage and sound 1000x softer than he did in the 70s. If I were Plant, I wouldn't want to sing those old tunes if I can't get up there anymore, especially while Page is still shredding."

It is definitely true that hard rock is a young man's game. However, Robert Plant has been singing songs lower in register since the early 1970s; watch the film "The Song Remains the Same," recorded in 1973. he has always changed the songs to suit his voice. He also did not do Zepp songs solo when he began as a solo act in the early 80s, when his range was higher than it is now. So, much of his choice to avoid Zepp songs is as philosophical as it is physical / practical.

You mention Jimmy Page still shredding; Jimmy has not been a consistently good live guitarist since 1977, from what I can see. If anything, I suspect Plant got frustrated by Jimmy Page's rusty playing and personal quirks that have interfered with their music being great.


jszfunk - 4/6/2020 at 05:24 PM

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As for Plant, it seemed pretty evident to me that the reason he didn't do a Zep tour is because he can't even come close to singing like he used to. I don't think he wanted to get on stage and sound 1000x softer than he did in the 70s. If I were Plant, I wouldn't want to sing those old tunes if I can't get up there anymore, especially while Page is still shredding.



[Edited on 4/6/2020 by Skydog32103]


Plant still has a great voice. Yeah, he might not be able to hit those notes, but his voice is far from being trashed, compared to others of his era and genre. We saw him a couple of summers ago and he still is in very fine form.


WarEagleRK - 4/6/2020 at 08:04 PM

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As for Plant, it seemed pretty evident to me that the reason he didn't do a Zep tour is because he can't even come close to singing like he used to. I don't think he wanted to get on stage and sound 1000x softer than he did in the 70s. If I were Plant, I wouldn't want to sing those old tunes if I can't get up there anymore, especially while Page is still shredding.



[Edited on 4/6/2020 by Skydog32103]


Plant still has a great voice. Yeah, he might not be able to hit those notes, but his voice is far from being trashed, compared to others of his era and genre. We saw him a couple of summers ago and he still is in very fine form.


Plant still has a great voice but he can't go full rock god for 2+ hours anymore, which is likely why he has turned down hundreds of millions over the years.

Even the couple of Zeppelin songs he still does live are rearranged to save his voice.


WarEagleRK - 4/6/2020 at 08:07 PM

quote:
especially while Page is still shredding.




Is he? Who would know?

The last time he played a full concert was 2007. That was one show. Before that it was the short tour with the Black Crowes in 99-00.

What was the last piece of new music he released? Walking Into Clarksdale?

I love Led Zeppelin and Jimmy Page, but he's constantly saying he's going to be out doing something, but he rarely does.



WarEagleRK - 4/6/2020 at 08:09 PM

quote:
you can bet if they did it again (and I hope they don't) there will be comments like "money grab"

example, the new Black Crowes tour.


I don't think it is the same as the new Crowes tour at all. Steve Gorman, Marc Ford, Sven Pipien (or Johnny Colt) are all still alive. Rich even put out an album with 2 of them earlier this year in Magpie Salute, then changed his phone number and never told him the band was no more to reform a new version of the Crowes.


stormyrider - 4/6/2020 at 08:57 PM

OK, I'll buy that


jszfunk - 4/7/2020 at 01:54 PM

quote:
quote:
you can bet if they did it again (and I hope they don't) there will be comments like "money grab"

example, the new Black Crowes tour.


I don't think it is the same as the new Crowes tour at all. Steve Gorman, Marc Ford, Sven Pipien (or Johnny Colt) are all still alive. Rich even put out an album with 2 of them earlier this year in Magpie Salute, then changed his phone number and never told him the band was no more to reform a new version of the Crowes.


Yeah that whole thing is somewhat of a mystery. Who knows what brought them back together? That tour,along with many others, might not even get off the ground this summer. I don't think there has been a word from the Magpie guys on that whole BC situation.
I am a big fan of Rich in and out of the BC's and love Chris's vocals.


Marley - 4/7/2020 at 05:38 PM

In an interview with American Songwriter, Warren also says this was most likely a one-time thing. https://americansongwriter.com/warren-haynes-allman-brothers-band-reunion/

quote:
As warm as the feelings were and as transporting as the music was (check out online clips to hear for yourself), Haynes insists it was not a new beginning for another incarnation of the Allman Brothers. “I think we all looked at it as a one-time thing that needed to happen,” he explains.


WarEagleRK - 4/8/2020 at 01:55 AM

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quote:
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you can bet if they did it again (and I hope they don't) there will be comments like "money grab"

example, the new Black Crowes tour.


I don't think it is the same as the new Crowes tour at all. Steve Gorman, Marc Ford, Sven Pipien (or Johnny Colt) are all still alive. Rich even put out an album with 2 of them earlier this year in Magpie Salute, then changed his phone number and never told him the band was no more to reform a new version of the Crowes.


Yeah that whole thing is somewhat of a mystery. Who knows what brought them back together? That tour,along with many others, might not even get off the ground this summer. I don't think there has been a word from the Magpie guys on that whole BC situation.
I am a big fan of Rich in and out of the BC's and love Chris's vocals.


Read an interview with Ford last week where he said he and Rich's contact after the last Magpie tour got less and less frequent as time passed then on day Rich just changed his number. He said he found out that the band broke up and the "Crowes" were back together when the news hit the internet.

So apparently Rich never told them.


jszfunk - 4/8/2020 at 11:54 AM

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quote:
quote:
quote:
you can bet if they did it again (and I hope they don't) there will be comments like "money grab"

example, the new Black Crowes tour.


I don't think it is the same as the new Crowes tour at all. Steve Gorman, Marc Ford, Sven Pipien (or Johnny Colt) are all still alive. Rich even put out an album with 2 of them earlier this year in Magpie Salute, then changed his phone number and never told him the band was no more to reform a new version of the Crowes.


Yeah that whole thing is somewhat of a mystery. Who knows what brought them back together? That tour,along with many others, might not even get off the ground this summer. I don't think there has been a word from the Magpie guys on that whole BC situation.
I am a big fan of Rich in and out of the BC's and love Chris's vocals.


Read an interview with Ford last week where he said he and Rich's contact after the last Magpie tour got less and less frequent as time passed then on day Rich just changed his number. He said he found out that the band broke up and the "Crowes" were back together when the news hit the internet.

So apparently Rich never told them.


Wow...interesting. I liked that band and what they were bringing to the table. Rich seemed pretty high on the group and especially having Marc back on board. I wonder if Ford will ever work with the brothers again after this situation?

I think they kinda over sold themselves booking some of these large outdoor sheds for the tour. Here in Indy, the place they booked holds about 24,000. I think if the filled half that amount , that would be pretty good. But I don't see even that figure though, Could be wrong.

A good part of this summer could be a bust for summer tours for everybody.


blackey - 4/8/2020 at 12:16 PM

If nothing happens with more Brothers shows, I'm sure Jaimoe will call everyone again for a 55th and 60th anniversary shows.

I'll certainly go if I can find someone to push my wheelchair. I'll be 78 in five years and 83 on the 60th. Jaimoe will be about 81 and 86 years old.


WarEagleRK - 4/8/2020 at 01:18 PM

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quote:
quote:
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you can bet if they did it again (and I hope they don't) there will be comments like "money grab"

example, the new Black Crowes tour.


I don't think it is the same as the new Crowes tour at all. Steve Gorman, Marc Ford, Sven Pipien (or Johnny Colt) are all still alive. Rich even put out an album with 2 of them earlier this year in Magpie Salute, then changed his phone number and never told him the band was no more to reform a new version of the Crowes.


Yeah that whole thing is somewhat of a mystery. Who knows what brought them back together? That tour,along with many others, might not even get off the ground this summer. I don't think there has been a word from the Magpie guys on that whole BC situation.
I am a big fan of Rich in and out of the BC's and love Chris's vocals.


Read an interview with Ford last week where he said he and Rich's contact after the last Magpie tour got less and less frequent as time passed then on day Rich just changed his number. He said he found out that the band broke up and the "Crowes" were back together when the news hit the internet.

So apparently Rich never told them.


Wow...interesting. I liked that band and what they were bringing to the table. Rich seemed pretty high on the group and especially having Marc back on board. I wonder if Ford will ever work with the brothers again after this situation?

I think they kinda over sold themselves booking some of these large outdoor sheds for the tour. Here in Indy, the place they booked holds about 24,000. I think if the filled half that amount , that would be pretty good. But I don't see even that figure though, Could be wrong.

A good part of this summer could be a bust for summer tours for everybody.


You never say never, but if you read Steve Gorman's book, you see how dysfunctional this band was and how at every turn the Robinsons found a way to shoot themselves in the foot.

I love the Crowes. Easily one of my top 5 favorite bands ever, but I'm so cold on this "reunion' because it's so obviously for the wrong reasons. When they were on, not many bands could touch them live.

Only for a very brief period in the early - mid 90s were they a band who could draw big on their own in the sheds. For the vast majority of their career unless they were in a package with someone else like Petty did they do those types of shows the rest of the time it was 2,000 seat theaters. Truthfully that's the perfect place for them. This whole tour is just Live Nation throwing a ton of money at them and hoping that nostalgia and beer sales will make up the difference on the investment since they own the sheds they will be playing.


BigDaveOnBass - 4/8/2020 at 01:36 PM

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But wouldn't it be great if there was a couple Dead & Co/Brothers double bill shows? Or a couple festival appearances where The Brothers' other bands are appearing?
Hell to the yeah!

[Edited on 4/8/2020 by BigDaveOnBass]


blackey - 4/8/2020 at 01:58 PM

You mean TTB, Gov't Mule, Jaimoe's jazzass band, Widespread Panic and the Rolling Stones?


Stephen - 4/8/2020 at 02:08 PM

yes all those players from March 10, only this time co headlining w/the Allman-Betts Band - we’re lucky to have all these great musicians carrying the torch


jszfunk - 4/8/2020 at 02:24 PM

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yes all those players from March 10, only this time co headlining w/the Allman-Betts Band - we’re lucky to have all these great musicians carrying the torch


Sounds good...maybe a little DTB reunion of a sorts with special guest Doyle Bramhall II


tedray - 4/8/2020 at 03:03 PM

A tour schedule for the Brothers could very easily be done the way Widespread Panic is "touring" these days. Ten to 12 weekends a year, 2 or 3 shows each weekend. Schedule around WSP, you get Duane T, the Stones seem to be doing 1 tour a year, so it's easy to get Chuck. Warren has done other stuff besides the Mule for years, easy to accomodate. Dead & Co are busy about 3 months a year, tops, Oteil would be available. Jaimoe would be the key, just don't give him an insane travel schedule. At minimum, a weekend or 2 at the Beacon, a Wanee-ish festival in the south, Peach festival in the east, maybe a fest in the midwest and one out west. I think they can make it work, if they want.


jszfunk - 4/8/2020 at 03:19 PM

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quote:
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quote:
you can bet if they did it again (and I hope they don't) there will be comments like "money grab"

example, the new Black Crowes tour.


I don't think it is the same as the new Crowes tour at all. Steve Gorman, Marc Ford, Sven Pipien (or Johnny Colt) are all still alive. Rich even put out an album with 2 of them earlier this year in Magpie Salute, then changed his phone number and never told him the band was no more to reform a new version of the Crowes.


Yeah that whole thing is somewhat of a mystery. Who knows what brought them back together? That tour,along with many others, might not even get off the ground this summer. I don't think there has been a word from the Magpie guys on that whole BC situation.
I am a big fan of Rich in and out of the BC's and love Chris's vocals.


Read an interview with Ford last week where he said he and Rich's contact after the last Magpie tour got less and less frequent as time passed then on day Rich just changed his number. He said he found out that the band broke up and the "Crowes" were back together when the news hit the internet.

So apparently Rich never told them.


Wow...interesting. I liked that band and what they were bringing to the table. Rich seemed pretty high on the group and especially having Marc back on board. I wonder if Ford will ever work with the brothers again after this situation?

I think they kinda over sold themselves booking some of these large outdoor sheds for the tour. Here in Indy, the place they booked holds about 24,000. I think if the filled half that amount , that would be pretty good. But I don't see even that figure though, Could be wrong.

A good part of this summer could be a bust for summer tours for everybody.


You never say never, but if you read Steve Gorman's book, you see how dysfunctional this band was and how at every turn the Robinsons found a way to shoot themselves in the foot.

I love the Crowes. Easily one of my top 5 favorite bands ever, but I'm so cold on this "reunion' because it's so obviously for the wrong reasons. When they were on, not many bands could touch them live.

Only for a very brief period in the early - mid 90s were they a band who could draw big on their own in the sheds. For the vast majority of their career unless they were in a package with someone else like Petty did they do those types of shows the rest of the time it was 2,000 seat theaters. Truthfully that's the perfect place for them. This whole tour is just Live Nation throwing a ton of money at them and hoping that nostalgia and beer sales will make up the difference on the investment since they own the sheds they will be playing.


True.

I have heard a bunch of interviews from Steve after his book came out. The whole thing sounds interesting. He seems like a good guy. I will read his book at some point. I did snoop around about the Page stuff. Could not resist holding back on that.

Do you listen to the State Of Amorica podcast? Its a good one, and I recommend it. A few good ones recently with a couple of the backup singers. Steve was on there too.

I love the Crowes as well. Rich is one of my fav guitarists. After the first breakup in the early 2000's and Rich put out Live At The Knitting Factory. I was hooked on what he was doing and almost could have cared less if they got back together or not. I REALLY enjoy his solo stuff. They kinda lost me around Warpaint and Freeze and Frost. Just not my cup of tea. Rich even mentioned that Chris was moving the band into the GD arena. The music was a little different, and I cant remember the last time I played either one of those. I do like the cover of Gods Got it. This is just my opinion, but they are a RNR band at heart and on last two, they seemed to drift away from that.

I would like to see a compilation boxset release of all of they're B sides,imports,extra tracks and etc. They have a bunch of that . Some I have and some I dont. It would be nice to have it all in one package.

At first I kinda had the same reaction you did about the supposed reasons for the tour and lineup. I heard a few things that the Bros' explained and it seemed kinda ..eh.... dont know. There could be more to the story than what we know. I have softened my stance after watching recent footage of Brothers Of A Feather. If they came close enough to me ,I would be there in a heart beat. Chris is such an outstanding singer.


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