Thread: Live records you like better than AFE

Stephen - 3/31/2020 at 09:56 PM

....thread that 74jr started just now slipped off the boards, unless I’m not seeing it

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BIGV - 3/31/2020 at 09:58 PM

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....that 74jr started just now - looks like it slipped off the boards, unless I’m not seeingbit


Thanks for answering my question!........


Stephen - 3/31/2020 at 10:01 PM

Haven’t seen that happen b4 - don’t Think I was imagining it


Stephen - 3/31/2020 at 10:46 PM

& no one else who started/posted has followed up wondering the same thing - out there
Clue me in, what am I missing - deleted? FB?

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blackey - 3/31/2020 at 11:03 PM

Maybe it was moved to the Playpen. I posted on it and wondered aloud why would someone start a thread for us to list the live albums we like better than Fillmore East. Then the creator of the thread provided SIX live albums he likes better than Fillmore East.

To me and I assume almost ALL ABB fans Fillmore East is the greatest live album in recorded history.

How could someone be a big ABB fan and list 6 albums by the likes of Muddy Waters, BB King, Santana, The Who etc they like better than Fillmore East?

Maybe it's an early April Fools joke.

I think I'll go over to the Lynyrd Skynyrd site and drop the names of 6 live albums I like better than One More From The Road.

I'm sure someone would quickly say "WTF man. You like these other artists' live albums better than Skynards then what are you on this site for??"


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 11:11 PM

That didn't take you long. Live Bullet. Bob Seger.


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 11:23 PM

J Geils. Full House.


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 11:27 PM

Steve Earle. Shut Up and Die Like an Aviator.


BIGV - 3/31/2020 at 11:28 PM

"Waiting for Columbus"


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 11:32 PM

James McMurtry. Live in Aught Three.


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 11:35 PM

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"Waiting for Columbus"


Good one. Never saw Lowell George but I did see them open for the ABB three times and they were still great.


hankpipes - 3/31/2020 at 11:41 PM

Kiss Alive II
Cheap Trick Live at Budokan


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 11:54 PM

Live. George Thorogood.


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 11:58 PM

Bruce Springsteen. Live 1975-1985.

This and Live Bullet by Seger are way better than Fillmore East.


cmgst34 - 3/31/2020 at 11:58 PM

So, Blackey, it’s all personal preference man.

ABB are my favorite band, but there are a few live albums I like more than Fillmore East. Kind of like how I know Jordan was the “best” but Magic is and always will be my favorite.

1. Derek & the Dominos — Live at Fillmore East. Some prefer “In Concert,” but I actually like the versions of the songs they chose for “Fillmore East” better. Without question my favorite live album.

2. Waiting for Columbus.

3. Band — Rock of Ages.

I also really really like the Hendrix Band of Gypsys NYE Fillmore releases.

That’s it, and on some days, I’m sure ABB AFE could sneak up to #2. But nothing will supplant that Dominos album for me.


Lee - 4/1/2020 at 12:14 AM

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How could someone be a big ABB fan and list 6 albums by the likes of Muddy Waters, BB King, Santana, The Who etc they like better than Fillmore East?




Because they have a different opinion than you? Hmm...


BIGV - 4/1/2020 at 12:24 AM

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How could someone be a big ABB fan and list 6 albums by the likes of Muddy Waters, BB King, Santana, The Who etc they like better than Fillmore East?




Because they have a different opinion than you? Hmm...


Not possible


Wayne - 4/1/2020 at 12:34 AM

Blackey is the new Deano of this website, probably used to drive a school bus.

Hard to beat LF Waiting on Columbus and Bob Seger's Live Bullet.


Lee - 4/1/2020 at 12:38 AM

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Blackey is the new Deano of this website, probably used to drive a school bus.

Hard to beat LF Waiting on Columbus and Bob Seger's Live Bullet.


Yes Wayne but the only thing that matters is how many albums were sold.


blackey - 4/1/2020 at 01:11 AM

Oh so you guys are huge Allman Brothers fans?? Maybe it's really ABB music as long as its played by Derek Trucks. . I'm sure you all think the last lineup stomps the originial band.

How in the hell could Bob Segar and the Silver Bullet Band be better than Gregg Allman on vocals and keys, Duane and Dickey on guitars, Berry Oakley on bass and Butch and Jaimoe on drums. Bob Segar is nowhere as sophisticated as the ABB. Night Moves, Still the Same, We've Got Tonight, Hollywood Nights etc are decent Top 40 songs but they ain't Blue Sky, Whipping Post, Dreams, Liz Reed, Jessica etc.

I got three off site Emails telling me that not only was the last lineup by far the best and most exciting lineup of the ABB but the MSG 3/10 show was the best Allman Brothers show EVER and a CD of it would beat Fillmore East hands down. I don't know how they even know my home Email address.

So the best ABB show ever wasn't even called the ALLMAN Brothers?? And didnt have Gregg Allman or Duane Allman or Butch Trucks or Berry Oakley not to mention Dickey????

You people are either just minimal ABB fans and your absolute favorite bands are other than the ABB or you are Derek Trucks fans and a little Warren Haynes. Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes are NOT the Allman Brothers. The ABB had already made it to the top and wrote most of their wonderful songs before Derek was born.

Take your Bob Seger and Instant Live of the ABB STARRING DEREK TRUCKS and knock yourself out to Night Moves and Bag End. I'll take Fillmore East over all that 7 days a week. I'm a REAL Allman Brothers fan. And the real ABB had Duane Allman in it.


blackey - 4/1/2020 at 01:17 AM

Lee. So live Bruce Springsteen and live Bob Seger are way better than Fillmore East and you are a big ABB fan???

BS!!!!!! I know what you are. You are a Derek Trucks groupie. If Derek hadn't been in the ABB you would even have any interest in the ABB. Of course that is correct. You don't like Fillmore East or Eat A Peach. Why? I know why. Because Derek Trucks isn't on them.


Lee - 4/1/2020 at 01:43 AM

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Lee. So live Bruce Springsteen and live Bob Seger are way better than Fillmore East and you are a big ABB fan???

BS!!!!!! I know what you are. You are a Derek Trucks groupie. If Derek hadn't been in the ABB you would even have any interest in the ABB. Of course that is correct. You don't like Fillmore East or Eat A Peach. Why? I know why. Because Derek Trucks isn't on them.



So which BS do you like the most? Bob Seger or Bruce Springsteen? You seem to like both so much.


Lee - 4/1/2020 at 01:45 AM

And by the way, I think you need help man.

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50split - 4/1/2020 at 04:12 AM

buddy miles live
lotus-santana
live stock-roy buchanan
live vol.4-avett bros
james gang live
woodstock I and II
bless it's pointed little head-jefferson airplane
zappa in new york
all great live albums but not as good as the fillmore album.


Stephen - 4/1/2020 at 08:19 AM

This thread isn’t like the one that was deleted - started it wondering Why it was deleted - anyone?

There’s a pretty obvious ‘let’s bust blackey’s balls” aspect to this one imo
He’s not a troll/doesn’t need help etc - he’s posted the same thing all along - nothing compromises his belief that any discussion of the ABB must start-&-stay w/the original band

None!” was my reply to the title of the original thread - ie, What live records do you like better than Fillmore East - we all know it’s considered far & wide as one of if not the greatest concert records ever, esp when coupled w/EAP

So that the mention of Kiss Vol. II, Cheap Trick, Thorogood etc......yes it’s April Fools Day
am sure Springsteen fans would legitimately be partial to the 1975-85 box over FE

Full House, Rock of Ages, the skull & roses album, Europe 72 & others are near the top for me - I go to 30 Seconds Over Winterland b4 BIPLHead - same Priest Live b4 Beast of the East........

all this stuff has been discussed b4
Was good to see BigDaveOnBass & Rainy post recently
w/malice toward none
I love the ABB

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jszfunk - 4/1/2020 at 12:52 PM

Not sure these are the best, but a few of my favorites

ABB- Made a nice mix. I have been listening to the Chuck and Lamar era. Tracksf from Wipe the
The Windows, Deluxe live stuff form Bros and Sis , and Nassau Coliseum.

Deep Purple- Made In Japan
Anything RB was on with them or Rainbow is always on my list.
California Jamming is real ggod. Mark III lineup.
Perfect Strangers Live is one that might be overlooked. Its From 1984 , mix the songs from
PS with the classics. Some great Lord v Blackmore battles on there. Lord is "wicked " on
those tracks.


UFO-Strangers In the Night-Nuff said!!


Iron Maiden-Maiden Japan
I like the early IM stuff with Paul. The band really has more of a punk ,street type vibe.


MSG-Live At Rockpalast: Hamburg 1981 and One Night At Budokan
Early MSG stuff. Young hungry band with strong players.


Tommy Bolin & Friends : Live at Ebbets Field June 3 & 4, 1974

Does not get any better than Crazed Fandango. He is just on fire .
https://youtu.be/wQIw5YKpGRE




CB - 4/1/2020 at 02:12 PM

Lynyrd Skynyrd - "One More From The Road"


piacere - 4/1/2020 at 02:33 PM

Stop Making Sense.

Talking Heads.

A masterpiece


JimSheridan - 4/1/2020 at 02:36 PM

jsz, nice picks. Agree in particular about live Blackmore and also the Tommy Bolin 1974 live is really remarkable.

Blackey, folks are just busting your chops. Because everyone who is here already knows AFE is great, the discussion goes in different directions. It's like how, on the Zepp pages, very few people weigh in on whether or not "Stairway to Heaven" is a good song or not; its greatness has been established for decades, so people move on to discuss different ideas rather than repeating what is already well known.


blackey - 4/1/2020 at 05:34 PM

Jim nobody can really bust my chops here. The point is, the Allman Brothers Band is my favorite band and I will never forget the spiritual connection and joy I felt when I saw them the first time. I had never been baptized if you will, in a style of music played by a specific group of musicians before. And everyone of the musicians were different yet when they played together the collective sound was as close to perfect I had ever experienced. It was magical
And the live album At Fillmore East, with the live tracks on Eat A Peach, is a recorded record of that sound that grabbed me at age 23 in 1970. Later lineups of the ABB were various degrees of very good but it was never the same. To experience the real ABB sound I need the original six. Duane Allman and Berry Oakley were enough different than later players that it is not exactly the same.

But I listen to later lineups regularly and many of the live albums my adversaries like better than Fillmore East. My hunch is most of my adversaries here are actually Derek Trucks fans and what they call the ABB must have Derek Trucks and perhaps Warren Haynes in it or it falls short of the sound they are attracted too. It's as if they are fans of a different band than the one I'm into and for all intents and purposes they are.

But I enjoy all kinds of music including Derek Trucks.

Lately I've been attracted to the Russian folk song "Moscow Nights". Here it is sung by the great Russian singer Dmitri Hvorostovsky who recently died of brain cancer at age 55.

https://youtu.be/qRQA9HeXcpI



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Sang - 4/1/2020 at 06:12 PM

Not comparing it to Fillmore East, but another live favorite is Dave Mason Certified Live.....


dzobo - 4/1/2020 at 06:15 PM

The one by the group that TTB always aspires to be:

Joe Cocker- Mad Dogs and Englishmen


BIGV - 4/1/2020 at 10:04 PM

Another I wore out..

"Get yer ya-yas out"


Stephen - 4/1/2020 at 10:20 PM

Good ones - again the name of the deleted thread was, What live records do you like better than Fillmore East
None for me, but in addition to Yaya’s, Jimi Hendrix/Otis Redding Live at Monterey is right there
Where We All Belong was mentioned a couple of times on the deleted thread, a worthy mention indeed


gotdrumz - 4/1/2020 at 11:04 PM

Not mentioned yet...

Irish Tour 74
Go For What Ya Know
Performance: Rockin The Fillmore
Live You Get What You Play For
Tokyo Tapes
Rock Will Never Die (MSG)
Live and Dangerous

Laterz


adhill58 - 4/2/2020 at 04:33 AM

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Jim nobody can really bust my chops here. The point is, the Allman Brothers Band is my favorite band and I will never forget the spiritual connection and joy I felt when I saw them the first time. I had never been baptized if you will, in a style of music played by a specific group of musicians before. And everyone of the musicians were different yet when they played together the collective sound was as close to perfect I had ever experienced. It was magical
And the live album At Fillmore East, with the live tracks on Eat A Peach, is a recorded record of that sound that grabbed me at age 23 in 1970. Later lineups of the ABB were various degrees of very good but it was never the same. To experience the real ABB sound I need the original six. Duane Allman and Berry Oakley were enough different than later players that it is not exactly the same.

But I listen to later lineups regularly and many of the live albums my adversaries like better than Fillmore East. My hunch is most of my adversaries here are actually Derek Trucks fans and what they call the ABB must have Derek Trucks and perhaps Warren Haynes in it or it falls short of the sound they are attracted too. It's as if they are fans of a different band than the one I'm into and for all intents and purposes they are.

But I enjoy all kinds of music including Derek Trucks.


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Could it be that all versions of the ABB have been incredibly good? Is it possible that the lineups that people saw live themselves were just as moving TO THEM as seeing the original six was to people who saw them? If a person was not born before 1955, they probably never saw the original ABB. All lineups have been built for seeing in person, not for listening to later. People who love Derek, or Warren, or Jack, or Oteil, or Woody, etc. aren't hating the original six. Maybe another lineup is what they were "baptized" into.

The best version of the ABB is the one that you can buy a ticket to see right now, whenever right now was or is. It has been a lot of different lineups, but if you went to a show in 1989, 1997, 1999, 2000, or 2001 complaining that some former lineup wasn't in front of your face, you wasted money and time that would have been incredible had you just soaked it in. Recordings are great, but they are not the same as being there, no matter what.

Obviously, the original lineup was incredible.

Obviously, the last lineup was incredible.

Chuck Leavell was hired by five of the original six. Jimmy Herring was hired by three of the original six. Everyone else was hired by four of the original six.

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slothrop8 - 4/2/2020 at 10:13 AM

Govt’t Mule - Live With a Little Help


blackey - 4/2/2020 at 12:38 PM

adhill 58. I agree with your post. Yes depending where you jump on the ABB bus, what is that special sound that grabbed you could be different.

I caught the bug in January, 1970. And saw the original band about 15 times. When I say the original band is the REAL Allman Brothers, it's because later lineups didn't sound exactly like the original. The way Duane Allman and Berry Oakley played was GONE. And it was missing when I heard later lineups. The band never sounded like the way it did when I caught the bug again.

And to me, and to some band members such as Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe, there was a vibe and energy that flowed from Duane Allman that was forever lost. I am not dissing anyone in later lineups. The Chuck/Lamar lineup was the most successful and the last line up lasted the longest and both could leave a trail of smoke on the stage.

Later lineups can't play Fillmore East better than the originial and that is the way the band was suppose to sound. Later lineups can play those songs differently but not better. To me the best sound is the original. To younger fans it is a later lineup. In the mid 70's a big number of fans didn't discover the band until Brothers and Sisters came out. A lot of those dropped off by 1975 and 76.

Good music from all the lineups. I enjoy all the lineups actually.

Check out the last 2 minutes of this. Great music but not exactly our kind of music. The bass player is absolutely incredible. And all of the musicians are excellent and at the end REALLY HOOK TOGETHER and are jus smoking!!!!

https://youtu.be/QJzsV9Mscgk

Anyone who enjoys great musicians and hot playing will like this even if it's not our type of music. This is live jazz.

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Marley - 4/2/2020 at 01:36 PM

I don't think anything is BETTER, but also really great, top-shelf stuff? I'd include these:

Bob Marley & The Wailers - Live!
Derek Trucks Band - Live at Georgia Theatre
Jimi Hendrix - Band of Gypsys
Talking Heads - The Name of This Band is Talking Heads
Neil Young - Live at Massey Hall (solo acoustic/piano) or Live at the Fillmore East (with Crazy Horse)


crazyjoe - 4/2/2020 at 02:04 PM

I'm mean what can I say? To a 12 yr old kid, kiss alive was pretty cool when it came out ..........Peace.........joe............let's not forget the beauty and magic found in our many, many field recordings and Instant Lives. LAFE is the best regular release for me.

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Holt - 4/2/2020 at 03:20 PM

Are people only doing 5?!

ABB-Fillmore
GD-Ladies and Gentleman
David Nelson Band-Keeper of the Key
Derek Trucks Band - Georgia Theatre
Zero-Chance in a Million

That's way to few . . .


gotdrumz - 4/2/2020 at 03:30 PM

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Jimi Hendrix - Band of Gypsys


Hey Marley

The "power trio" time forgets about. Have you checked out the reissue with 3 (I think) bonus tracks?

Laterz


gotdrumz - 4/2/2020 at 03:34 PM

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GD-Ladies and Gentleman



I dig all the Pigpen Era live releases tonz. With all the shows available, it's a rarity to put on those "official" releases.

Laterz


Marley - 4/2/2020 at 03:43 PM

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Jimi Hendrix - Band of Gypsys


Hey Marley

The "power trio" time forgets about. Have you checked out the reissue with 3 (I think) bonus tracks?

Laterz

I have the Live at the Fillmore East album, which has a lot more songs from the same shows. It's funny about Band of Gypsys — for years I rarely listened to any of its tracks other than Machine Gun because it doesn't have any of my favorite songs from the studio albums and I prefer Mitch Mitchell's playing to Buddy Miles' and his singing and carrying on. But Power of Soul is the best guitar riff ever created in my opinion, Machine Gun is a piece of art, Them Changes is the best wah-wah workout there is, and the whole album has a muscular power that sets it apart from Jimi's perfectionism in the studio. It's just great.


hankpipes - 4/2/2020 at 04:13 PM

The first live album I remember everyone going nuts for when it was released was Grand Funk Live Album. Everyone was playing it and talking about it. At the time it seemed to set the bar for live albums.


cmgst34 - 4/2/2020 at 05:10 PM

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I don't think anything is BETTER, but also really great, top-shelf stuff? I'd include these:

Bob Marley & The Wailers - Live!



That is a good one for me, but I will say that the Rastaman Vibration deluxe release has a 1976 Roxy show that is the best live Marley release I've ever heard. My go-to Marley live music.


Marley - 4/2/2020 at 06:22 PM

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I don't think anything is BETTER, but also really great, top-shelf stuff? I'd include these:

Bob Marley & The Wailers - Live!



That is a good one for me, but I will say that the Rastaman Vibration deluxe release has a 1976 Roxy show that is the best live Marley release I've ever heard. My go-to Marley live music.

I think that's a less-hot show, but it's definitely good! Live is short and sweet and that one stretches out longer. Here's the thing: they didn't include the whole show! The encore was missing. It's Positive Vibration, then a Get Up Stand Up > No More Trouble > War > No More Trouble > Get Up Stand Up medley that lasts TWENTY FOUR MINUTES! It's by far the best thing about that set. It was released in full as Live at the Roxy in 2003.

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jszfunk - 4/2/2020 at 09:50 PM

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I urge everyone to check out The Black Crowes live at The Greek featuring Jimmy Page. If there’s anyone who could pull off old school Plant, it’s Chris Robinson, and be sure nailed those Zeppelin tunes. Page never lost a step either. Was fortunate to be a couple rows back for a show on this tour.


Heck ya brother!!! Hard to believe it's been 20 yrs ago.
Chris did an OUTSTANDING job. I am not sure anyone else could have pulled that off.

There were rumors of BC and JP doing more. Gorman has details in his book.


jszfunk - 4/2/2020 at 09:56 PM

I kinda get caught up in GM's instant live stuff and forget about the official live releases.

Can't forget this one from the original three. That's were it's at for me.

Gov't Mule-Muleinnum

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvZn3DN5VFdcobSQNL-TBaxXWpH1Oa_Ls


Dino - 4/2/2020 at 11:06 PM

Little bit of this, little bit of that.....

The Who - Live at Leeds. Game changer ...


cmgst34 - 4/3/2020 at 01:19 AM

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I don't think anything is BETTER, but also really great, top-shelf stuff? I'd include these:

Bob Marley & The Wailers - Live!



That is a good one for me, but I will say that the Rastaman Vibration deluxe release has a 1976 Roxy show that is the best live Marley release I've ever heard. My go-to Marley live music.

I think that's a less-hot show, but it's definitely good! Live is short and sweet and that one stretches out longer. Here's the thing: they didn't include the whole show! The encore was missing. It's Positive Vibration, then a Get Up Stand Up > No More Trouble > War > No More Trouble > Get Up Stand Up medley that lasts TWENTY FOUR MINUTES! It's by far the best thing about that set. It was released in full as Live at the Roxy in 2003.

[Edited on 4/2/2020 by Marley]


Thanks! I didn’t know it was a whole separate release. I’m gonna get it.

I spun Live! this evening on the vinyl. I dig it, but still like the other more


Stephen - 4/3/2020 at 01:44 AM

Yep, Fillmore was released July 1971, Live at Leeds the following month
It all went from the screamy teeny bopper concerts of the mid 60s w/Got Live If You Want It, &, much later, Beatles Live At Hollywood Bowl

.......to Cream>Jimi/Otis at Monterey>Yaya’s & the new crowd in just 2-3 years - those Cream ones w/the long jams.... - paved the way

What about the’’sprawling’ grandiose over-the-top cool live ones
the three-record sets
Woodstock - Atlanta Pop - Concert for Bangladesh - Europe 72 - Leon Live - Yessongs - ELP’s Welcome BMFTTSTNEnds - & later on, Paul’s sprawling Wings Over America package

At the mention of Paul - even tho it’s studio, his former bandmate George comes right to mind again w/his aMazing All Things Must Pass

All these records are worthy followers of Fillmore East>EAP

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adhill58 - 4/3/2020 at 03:11 AM

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I don't think anything is BETTER, but also really great, top-shelf stuff? I'd include these:

Bob Marley & The Wailers - Live!



That is a good one for me, but I will say that the Rastaman Vibration deluxe release has a 1976 Roxy show that is the best live Marley release I've ever heard. My go-to Marley live music.

I think that's a less-hot show, but it's definitely good! Live is short and sweet and that one stretches out longer. Here's the thing: they didn't include the whole show! The encore was missing. It's Positive Vibration, then a Get Up Stand Up > No More Trouble > War > No More Trouble > Get Up Stand Up medley that lasts TWENTY FOUR MINUTES! It's by far the best thing about that set. It was released in full as Live at the Roxy in 2003.

[Edited on 4/2/2020 by Marley]


Thanks! I didn’t know it was a whole separate release. I’m gonna get it.

I spun Live! this evening on the vinyl. I dig it, but still like the other more


What about the Wailers one that got released a couple years back called “Live Forever”? It was Bob Marley’s last show before he died. It was from Pittsburgh. It has Al Anderson and Junior Marvin both on it. I forget the lineups on the ones already mentioned, and “Babylon By Bus”, but I think it’s just Junior on some of those. I had a good bootleg that I basically wore out and was thrilled to get a real version. The only issue was that the soundboard tape ran out and the last two songs are from a dud source.


adhill58 - 4/3/2020 at 03:17 AM

Another double-live record that I think is up there with the best ever is Willie Nelson’s “Willie and Family Live”. It is more like rock than country. Two guitarists, two drummers, two bassists (oddly enough), one piano player, and one harmonica player. It is lights-out good. Even has Emmylou Harris on part of it.


Marley - 4/3/2020 at 02:56 PM

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I don't think anything is BETTER, but also really great, top-shelf stuff? I'd include these:

Bob Marley & The Wailers - Live!



That is a good one for me, but I will say that the Rastaman Vibration deluxe release has a 1976 Roxy show that is the best live Marley release I've ever heard. My go-to Marley live music.

I think that's a less-hot show, but it's definitely good! Live is short and sweet and that one stretches out longer. Here's the thing: they didn't include the whole show! The encore was missing. It's Positive Vibration, then a Get Up Stand Up > No More Trouble > War > No More Trouble > Get Up Stand Up medley that lasts TWENTY FOUR MINUTES! It's by far the best thing about that set. It was released in full as Live at the Roxy in 2003.

[Edited on 4/2/2020 by Marley]


Thanks! I didn’t know it was a whole separate release. I’m gonna get it.

I spun Live! this evening on the vinyl. I dig it, but still like the other more


What about the Wailers one that got released a couple years back called “Live Forever”? It was Bob Marley’s last show before he died. It was from Pittsburgh. It has Al Anderson and Junior Marvin both on it. I forget the lineups on the ones already mentioned, and “Babylon By Bus”, but I think it’s just Junior on some of those. I had a good bootleg that I basically wore out and was thrilled to get a real version. The only issue was that the soundboard tape ran out and the last two songs are from a dud source.

None of them are bad! I especially like the Live Forever take on Could You Be Loved, and the Redemption Song is incredible. The sound does get bad at the end, but it's a historic show that it's great that they found any source. If you want a different kind of Bob album, Talkin' Blues is a good one. Peter Tosh was still in the band and they do a very different set of songs from what you hear on those mid/late-70s live albums, and since it was a live in the studio performance the vibe is very laid back.


Lee - 4/4/2020 at 01:11 AM

Here is one that could be put on the list. Extremely difficult to find because it was a bonus CD when Songlines came out.

https://www.discogs.com/The-Derek-Trucks-Band-Backyard-Tracks-Live-123005-V ariety-Playhouse-Atlanta-GA/release/4554572

I went to both shows. 12/30 & 12/31 2005.

https://archive.org/details/dtb2005-12-30.shnf

https://archive.org/details/dtb2005-12-31.shnf

The New Years Eve show was better because of course Gregg was there in a small place. It was right up there with many of the Beacon shows I have been to. Wonderful weekend.


blackey - 4/4/2020 at 09:45 AM

Lee what are you talking about? That hard to find Derek Trucks show is better than The Allman Brothers Band At Fillmore East????? The hell you say.

I know what you are. You are a huge Derek Trucks fan!! If Derek Trucks hadn't played in the Allman Brothers, you wouldn't be an ABB fan of any degree. Lee is an ABB fan as long as the line up has Derek Trucks in it. Otherwise it's not what floats his boat.

By the way Lee...Bob Seger Live Bullet and Bruce Springsteen Live is WAY better than Derek Trucks Back Yard Tracks Live!! Way better.

Oh and so is At Fillmore East by THE Allman Brothers Band.

[Edited on 4/4/2020 by blackey]


Marley - 4/4/2020 at 06:05 PM

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Lee what are you talking about? That hard to find Derek Trucks show is better that The Allman Brothers Band At Fillmore East????? The hell you say.

I know what you are. You are a huge Derek Trucks fan!! If Derek Trucks hadn't played in the Allman Brothers, you wouldn't be an ABB fan of any degree. Lee is an ABB fan as long as the line up has Derek Trucks in it. Otherwise it's not what floats his boat.

By the way Lee...Bob Seger Live Bullet and Bruce Springsteen Live is WAY better than Derek Trucks Back Yard Tracks Live!! Way better.

Oh and so is At Fillmore East by THE Allman Brothers Band.

In my book you just crossed over from boring, lonely and probably on the spectrum to just a pompous dick. Who are you to act like you're the judge of who's a real fan and who isn't? Lee has been here since 2002 and he's a true fan and a good guy. (And not especially a Derek guy from what I remember.) You showed up here long after most fans left the party and you have the nerve to act like you're everybody's boss and Allman Brothers teacher. You're not surrounded by kids who don't know the band. The posters who are still here saw dozens or hundreds of ABB shows for decades. And if that weren't bad enough, YOU'RE BORING. Thread after thread you give the same lecture about the original band, which 99.9% of fans like the best - and maybe people have been too nice to clue you in, but almost every story you tell about the band was repeated in a million interviews, articles, and books. It's stuff practically everyone here knows already. It's one thing if you're going to be dull, but if you're going to be dull and judgmental, get lost.

On the other hand acting like "I've got you pegged, YOU'RE a Derek Trucks fan" is some kind of insult at the Allman Brothers website is pretty funny.

[Edited on 4/4/2020 by Marley]


Marley - 4/4/2020 at 06:27 PM

Jerry Lee Lewis at the Star Club is another good one.


gotdrumz - 4/4/2020 at 06:59 PM

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I urge everyone to check out The Black Crowes live at The Greek featuring Jimmy Page. If there’s anyone who could pull off old school Plant, it’s Chris Robinson, and be sure nailed those Zeppelin tunes. Page never lost a step either. Was fortunate to be a couple rows back for a show on this tour.


I was pleasantly surprised at how good this was. Awesome you got to check it out live. A concert is the best way to see what a band brings to the table.(IMHO)

Laterz


blackey - 4/4/2020 at 08:12 PM

Marley. This began as a thread asking people to name the live albums which they like better than The Allman Brothers Band At Fillmore East.

Lee chimed in that Bruce Springsteen Live and Live Bullet by Bob Seger are " way better than Fillmore East".

I thought it odd that on this site so many find live albums including other bands to be much better than Fillmore East. I naturally assumed on this site Fillmore East would be the pinnacle or holy grail of live albums just as I would assume on a Corvette site it would be unexpected to encounter many who like Ford Thunderbirds or Dodge Chargers actually more exciting than a Chevorlet Corvette.. For years I've read writers, when discussing the album, state that it is arguably the best live rock album ever recorded. Perhaps that is overstated but certainly it is one of the best blues/rock live albums.

I joined this site on day one and have been a major ABB fan since my first show in January 1970.

If Lee does not care for the Fillmore East album then how in hell can he be an Allman Brothers fan? Also he informed us about how he is incredibly impressed by a rare Derek Trucks live set.

It seems clear then that Lee is a Derek Trucks fan and probably is only into the ABB when Derek Trucks is a member.

I'm not being a dick. From my position, Lee was being a dick to me in an earlier post.

Also Marley, if you find me boring, lonely and too emotional about the original band, then simply skip over my comments. Same for Lee and anyone who is of the opinion the last lineup is the Allman Brothers at it's best.

If there is an Allman Brothers place on the web where the original band is seen as how the band was created to sound and the way Duane, Gregg, Dickey, Berry, Butch and Jaimoe played together is the classic, original way the ABB plays, the sound that made them famous...then direct me to it and I'll move on.

If you guys find the last lineup the one that rocks you best and Bob Seger, The Boss, Little Feat, Derek Trucks live rocks you better and you enjoy more than Fillmore East then carry on.

I like many of the live albums mentioned in earlier posts too especially Little Feat. I bought a Gov't Mule live album about 1995 that has Kirk West introducing the band I like a lot. They are just a tiro on it and it's real good. I just happen to hold Fillmore East is the best live set of all time and assumed hard core ABB fans would too. But I must be wrong and at this site, more people would rate The Fox Box ( which I have) over Fillmore East. Maybe 1971, Duane and Berry are now just too far into.the past for many fans today and the 2001-2014 band has replaced 1969-1971 as the ABB at it best live and creatively. But I say again, it really is puzzling and some what shocking there are ABB fans today who like the last lineup and other band's live albums better than AFE!!!! Back in the 70's and 80's and even the 90's all the fans I knew and even band members such as Warren Haynes thought the band with Duane in it was the best thing since Mozart and the band's pure sound.


BIGV - 4/4/2020 at 08:48 PM

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If Lee does not care for the Fillmore East album then how in hell can he be an Allman Brothers fan? Also he informed us about how he is incredibly impressed by a rare Derek Trucks live set.


Jesus Brad, that horse is dead already. Lee has a different take than you for goodness sake.


blackey - 4/4/2020 at 11:28 PM

BIGV. What is Lee's take? Are you saying one can be a big fan of the Allman Brothers but not like the original band?



One can be a big fan of Lynyrd Skynyrd but not like the original band with Ronnie?

This is up your alley. What if someone loved Little Feat but not the lineup that featured Lowell George. Would that be perplexing to a long time Feat fan?

I did know a girl some years back that didnt care for the original Doobie Brothers. Only the later lineup which had Michael McDonald. But I knew what she really was. A Michael fan and if it's a Doobie album without Michael then she didnt care much about it.


BIGV - 4/4/2020 at 11:34 PM

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This is up your alley. What if someone loved Little Feat but not the lineup that featured Lowell George. Would that be perplexing to a long time Feat fan?


I might be perplexed......Once


Stephen - 4/4/2020 at 11:52 PM

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quote:
This is up your alley. What if someone loved Little Feat but not the lineup that featured Lowell George. Would that be perplexing to a long time Feat fan?


I might be perplexed......Once



Fans of The Band might ask the same thing, would they truly be Band fans if they liked Jericho, High on the Hog etc more than MFBPink, The Band etc - are the later albums truly by The Band even w/no Robbie & Richard

It’s all tremendous music


[Edited on 4/5/2020 by Stephen]


Wayne - 4/5/2020 at 01:15 PM

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I joined this site on day one and have been a major ABB fan since my first show in January 1970
________________________________________
Looks like you joined this site 6.25.17 to me. Most of us who have been around here on this site for the past 20 years have never even heard of you or remember you. Who knows, maybe you never even saw the original lineup.

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by Wayne]


gotdrumz - 4/5/2020 at 01:44 PM

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. This began as a thread asking people to name the live albums which they like better than The Allman Brothers At Fillmore East.


I missed that precept entirely It has been in the #1 spot and then others come along, then go away.


Stephen - 4/5/2020 at 01:53 PM

Good reminder, that was the title of the original thread that was deleted almost as quickly as it arrived, thus the title of this thread hoping to continue on the same theme - live albums you like better than AFE - will adjust to that effect

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by Stephen]


blackey - 4/5/2020 at 03:19 PM

Wayne I was born December 5th, 1946. First ABB show was January, 1970. A friend talked me into going as he was crazy about their first album. He played it to me several times at his parties and I thought it okay but wasn't on fire about the ABB like Sandy was. I was into Santana, Jimi Hendrix, Mitch Ryder, B.B. King, Count Basie and Wilson Pickett to name some. No artist was a absolute favorite. Big Beatles and Stones guy too.

I went to the ABB show and was transformed like a religious awakening at some tent revival. And Duane Allman became my guru. All I wanted to do then was go to ABB shows and listen to their one record at the time. I enjoy all lineups except I don't listen much to 1980 to 82 lineup that is no Jaimoe but David Toler and Mike Lawler. And as you know, the original band to me is the best and was the most exciting to see live and to me, the REAL and pure Allman Brothers sound has Duane and Berry in the mix along with Dickey, Gregg, Jaimoe and Butch. I like the way those six played together best. That DOES NOT MEAN Derek, Warren, Chuck, Otiel etc are not great musicians . Only that the band sounds different enough for me to notice when it's not the original six and I like the way they sounded the best. Why does it sound a little different when it's not the original band? Because these other great musicians play differently . And certainly no one expects them to try to play exactly like Duane, Dickey, Berry etc. They have their own great styles. And the second lineup was way different than the original. Two keybords, different bass player, one guitar player who didn't enjoy playing electric slide. It was a different ABB in 1973 but they had some hot shows and Chuck and Lamar Williams came to play at the shows I saw.

In the early 2000s, after several years of occasionally interacting with Butch Trucks who posted regularly on this site, I was a little aggravated about how Butch was pushing to remove ALL Dickey Betts songs from the band and what looked to be Butch's efforts to remove Dickey from the band's history. And the constant criticism of Dickey and how he ruined the band's sound beginning with Brothers and Sisters, Ramblin' Man was not what the band was created to do etc etc, that the band should have voted out Dickey soon after Duane's death and hired different players.

I tried to defend Dickey and his contribution to the band but not in a heavy handed way and sensitive to the fact Butch worked with Dickey for years and knew Dickey well and had been on the receving end of Dickey's ways and temper. I also understood why Butch was irritated at the band's past and business deals that cut Butch out of making any money off the 2 mllion selling 1991 Decade of Hits CD while Gregg and Dickey made millions because they wrote songs and Butch feeling he should have gotten a writing credit on some of those songs and he mentioned Liz Reed and Madness From The West by name.

I'm not sure what I said (wrote) that angered Butch so greatly or if he mistook me for someone that had been nastly to him but I received an Email from Roland and Lana that Butch wanted me removed from the site. That was maybe 2002 or 3??? Somewhere around then.

After Butch died, I inquired and was granted permission to rejoin in 2017.

Stay safe. The White House says perhaps 240,000 people are going to die from this virus during the next two weeks. Good luck Wayne.

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by blackey]


Wayne - 4/5/2020 at 03:50 PM

That is a shame Butch had you booted from the site. That is kind of like a badge of honor. I used to love to read his rants! You stay safe and healthy too, tough times ahead, and now for sure.


BIGV - 4/5/2020 at 06:26 PM

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I went to the ABB show and was transformed like a religious awakening at some tent revival. And Duane Allman became my guru.


We know

quote:
And as you know, the original band to me is the best and was the most exciting to see live and to me, the REAL and pure Allman Brothers sound has Duane and Berry in the mix along with Dickey, Gregg, Jaimoe and Butch.


We have been made aware numerous times

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I like the way those six played together best.


We know

quote:
I like the way they sounded the best.


We know



blackey - 4/5/2020 at 07:31 PM

BIV5. Just trying to explain again why I hold the original band was the best and is the foundation of the ABB. And that is not at all a slight to the last lineup or the Chuck/Lamar lineup that followed the original.

All who have played in the band as members are very good musicians.

I just find it strange here on the Allman Brothers site, there are so many who don't care much for the original band and Fillmore Esst. I guess a good portion of the fans today came on board between 2001 and 2014 and the way Derek, Warren etc played is the style and sound that is the Allman Brothers Band to them. And if and when they go back and listen to Fillmore East and Eat A Peach, it just doesn't impress them much and/or sounds old school.

I guess just as I feel it's not the real Allman Brothers without Duane Allman, they and I assume you, feel it's not that sound you love as the ABB unless Derek Trucks is in it.

It's as if I'm into a different band than those who are mostly into the last lineup and are not that moved by and impressed with Fillmore East. Lee doesn't care for Fillmore East at all but adores the last lineup and Derek. That has been difficult for me to grasp. Perhaps even Gregg Allman would be surprised too.

I thought the vast majority of ABB fans would hold up the Fillmore album as not only the ABB at it's best but perhaps the best live album ever. Its educational I could say to learn that is not the case with many of today's fans.

If there was a site for us old guys who are so into the original band, perhaps I would feel more at home and welcome there.

Guess I've stepped on a lot of toes. Didn't know the early years of the band didn't rate much with many people on this site today.


JimSheridan - 4/5/2020 at 07:47 PM

Blackey, you are now creating a fight that does not exist. You are saying that there are people who don’t care for the original line-up.

Everyone here loves the original line-up.

Some folks happen to prefer other line-ups. That’s their prerogative, but it does not mean they DISLIKE the original line-up. Humans are capable of more than one thing.

I love Miles more than I do Coltrane - but I still love Coltrane.

This also works with favorite food, favorite TV show, etc. People can love more than one kind of food; people can love more than one TV show. You know this.

Check the context of this ongoing discussion. While the original title of the thread and its initial few posts about live albums better than AFE, clearly this thread simply became people listing live albums that they like. Period.



porkchopbob - 4/5/2020 at 08:19 PM

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Butch was irritated at the band's past and business deals that cut Butch out of making any money off the 2 mllion selling 1991 Decade of Hits CD while Gregg and Dickey made millions....

....I'm not sure what I said (wrote) that angered Butch so greatly

Yeah, I can't imagine...


Jack_Frost - 4/5/2020 at 08:33 PM

I don't know about like better, but I really do like Hugh Masekela Is Alive And Well At The Whisky. Really captures the zeitgeist of the times, know what I mean?

For the record, my first show was in Aug of 1992 and my favorite lineup was the Dickey/Warren/Woody era and when I collect recordings more often than not that is the stuff I am looking for. But I have enjoyed every show I saw up until my last one at Peach in 2014.


cmgst34 - 4/5/2020 at 08:52 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
This is up your alley. What if someone loved Little Feat but not the lineup that featured Lowell George. Would that be perplexing to a long time Feat fan?


I might be perplexed......Once



Fans of The Band might ask the same thing, would they truly be Band fans if they liked Jericho, High on the Hog etc more than MFBPink, The Band etc - are the later albums truly by The Band even w/no Robbie & Richard

It’s all tremendous music


[Edited on 4/5/2020 by Stephen]


Here’s one:

I bet there are truly millions of Fleetwood Mac fans who wouldn’t even be able to make it through one song of the original FM, let alone think that version was the best (even though it was the best ).


cmgst34 - 4/5/2020 at 08:54 PM

And sorry if I’m sending us down an unwanted rabbit hole here, but why didn’t Butch make any money off of Decade of Hits?


BIGV - 4/5/2020 at 09:02 PM

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Just trying to explain again why I hold the original band was the best and is the foundation of the ABB.


Again?

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I just find it strange here on the Allman Brothers site, there are so many who don't care much for the original band and Fillmore East.


We know

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I guess just as I feel it's not the real Allman Brothers without Duane Allman


We know



blackey - 4/5/2020 at 09:59 PM

cmgst34. It was the contract they had with Phil Walden and Capricorn. When Capricorn went bankrupt, Polygram took control of the Capricorn catalog. I think Phil Walden owed Polygram money. The bands and artists were shut out at this point as I understand it. The Allman Brothers Band had no say so concerning their records prior to their Epic contract. Polygram could release and repackage these recording at will and the band had no control.

In 1991 Polygram came out with "1969 to 1979 A Decade of Hits". Tracks from the first album, Idlewild South, Eat A Peach, Brothers and Sisters and one track each from Fillmore East and Enlighten Rogues. All of these had been on other compilation releases before but this set surprised everyone and sold over 2 milion copies. The first and last Platinum release for the Allman Brothers since Brothers and Sisters.

The way this came out of bankruptcy, the band and Phil Walden got nothing. But the songs are licensed by publishing companies which receive royalties from any record sales of Dreams or Blue Sky etc even if it's on an album by ANY artist who chooses to do a version. So Gregg and Dickey made over a million dollars each and Butch, Jaimore, Chuck etc got nothing. Duane Allman's estate made money off Little Martha and Willie McTell's estate made money for Statesboro Blues but the people who played on those songs got nothing.

If Polygram had selected Hot'Lana as one of the tracks, Butch would have at least gotten 1/6th of the money off that track.

Butch wrote on this site he was going to find ways he too can make extra money off the band as he made it clear he was irritated about this and felt he should have shared on Liz Reed specifically. Someone ask if he went to Duane about Dickey not sharing Liz Reed and Duane ruled the member who came up with the song is the writer and the changes and additions the band makes are arrangements so Duane backed Dickey. Initially Dickey was able to block Butch's efforts and said publicly he was opposed to mixing band business with Butch Trucks business.

Apparently this led to the riff between Butch and Dickey that must have gone back to 1970 getting much worse and Butch through these ventures such as Flying Frog records, Moogis, rock festivals etc eventually getting wiped out financially by the Internal Revenue Service.

I had a couple of friends get wiped out. One committed suicide. You have to pay taxes on everything, file quarterly and pay twice the Social Security cut of the income or the back tax, interest and penalties can take everything. Especially if the IRS comes some years after the fact. Those penalties grow every month you are behind. My friends didnt seem to be aware of how much they needed to be paying quarterly and by the time the IRS showed up they owed a ton in back taxes, interest and penalties.

Willie Nelson got all but wiped out by the IRS some years ago and so did comedian Red Foxx. You have to may sure all your I's are dotted and T's crossed with taxes when you are in business for yourself.

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by blackey]


BIGV - 4/5/2020 at 10:04 PM

quote:
Live records you like better than AFE


I would just like to point out that the thread title speaks for itself. Keyword "Records".


stormyrider - 4/5/2020 at 11:49 PM

For me, the answer is obvious -
none.

AFE remains my favorite album, live or otherwise.

There were some great albums mentioned -
Waiting for Columbus
Live Dead, Europe 72
Band / Dylan - Before the Flood
Coltrane at the Vanguard
DTB Georgia Theater

others I didn't see
Miles - 4 and more, Live at the Plugged Nickel
Miles and Coltrane - the final tour (not a record, but a recent box set re-release)
The Quintet, Live at Massey Hall

still, AFE stands above them all.


Edit - possible exception - 1971 Allman Brothers Fillmore East Complete Box Set

[Edited on 4/5/2020 by stormyrider]


Stephen - 4/6/2020 at 12:12 AM

That was my answer too when the thread started - none!
Quick ? about the 1971 Fillmore East Complete Box Set - is that a different release from The Fillmore Concerts, also the later Deluxe Fillmore Edition?


stormyrider - 4/6/2020 at 01:07 AM

Yes, different.
6 cd box sets that covers both sets 3/12 and 3/13

https://www.amazon.com/1971-Fillmore-East-Recordings-CD/dp/B00JZO33VK


Stephen - 4/6/2020 at 02:57 AM

Thx - had forgotten about that one - the choices ABB fans have - on these 3 & the 3 box sets alone - well Stand Back isn’t really a box set but still a 2 CD anthology bridging the 30 years between Dreams & Trouble No More

Point being, these alone would be enough for many, but we also have the archive releases, now the brand new Fillmore West package

Some might say, Gosh they squeezed every buck they could outta FE alright - they milked it to the bone etc - sort of in that camp myself, but no complaints


funkyfitter - 4/6/2020 at 06:14 AM

ONE that I like just as much. The Black Crowes, Before The Frost. Certainly not the only one though.


Holt - 4/6/2020 at 02:02 PM

Hey, Marley, you are better than this and should rethink what you wrote and also apologize and edit the "probably on the spectrum" out. I get and understand that people are tired of the redundancy. Also man . . . and nothing personal . . . but you are journalist and not a behavior analyst so that's a huge assumption to make on someone that you only know of through the Internet. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope that you were just having an off day. I hope you're doing ok man.

quote:
and probably on the spectrum going to be dull and judgmental, get lost.


dzobo - 4/6/2020 at 05:28 PM

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After Butch died, I inquired and was granted permission to rejoin in 2017.

I know that this almost feels like "The Masked Singer" but what was your handle prior to leaving the site?


BrerRabbit - 4/6/2020 at 05:29 PM


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Hey, Marley, you are better than this and should rethink what you wrote and also apologize and edit the "probably on the spectrum" out.


^ For sure - if you thought someone really was autistic you wouldn't mention "on the spectrum", out of sympathy. So to throw the term at someone as an insult is just stooping to a new form of "retard". Let's try to keep "on the spectrum" a neutral and civil term for a few more years. Some of us out here face autism as a brutal reality every day, we don't need this noise, thanks.

[Edited on 4/6/2020 by BrerRabbit]


Holt - 4/6/2020 at 05:43 PM

That's no better at all either.

Anyway as someone who has worked with persons on the spectrum and who live with Asperger's along with some other conditions it just struck me as a not so kind way to talk to another person on the internet or in general. I really almost didn't even bother to reply.

quote:

is just stooping to a new form of "retard".
[Edited on 4/6/2020 by BrerRabbit]


AlPaul - 4/6/2020 at 06:33 PM

BrerRabbit - sorry for your daily struggles and wishing you all the best.

This seems like a rather absurd thread topic for an Allman brothers forum.


jszfunk - 4/6/2020 at 06:53 PM

Not sure its better, comparing apples and oranges.

CSNY
Four Way Street


blackey - 4/6/2020 at 06:58 PM

Yes BerRabbit that is a challenge of love. My hat is off to you.

AlPaul. Enjoyed the BlackBerry Smoke interview. They are a great band.

I pointed out the other day.. its perplexing there are several fans here who have several live sets they like better than At Fillmore East including Derek Trucks live sets without the ABB.. Not many years ago all the ABB fans I encountered considered AFE not only to be the ABB at its finest ( also Eat A Peach) but arguably the best live rock/blues album in history.

This has been educational for me. Also AlPaul, apparently a number of ABB fans who caught the Peach bug after 2001 aren't that interested in ABB recordings that don't have Derek Trucks on them....thus they don't find AFE one of their favorite live sets.

I wonder if there are people who became Lynyrd Skynyrd fans in the 90's and 2,000's who are mostly interested in the later lineups and aren't big fans of the band when Ronnie was alive?


BrerRabbit - 4/6/2020 at 07:05 PM

Thanks Al, Blacky too - really appreciated, I am goin nuts half the time - yeah like any struggle there are rewards too. And yes it is a loaded thread topic, started with best intent to celebrate a great live record - but set up to become a fanboy pissing match . Who likes ABB the best, it is ludicrous.

It reminds me of Teen Beat.

also @marly I was not piling on - i am just springloaded to scrap over autism. big thx for the Bob Marley Roxy 76 recommend, hit the web right away and scored a
it 2nd hand.


[Edited on 4/6/2020 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 4/6/2020 at 07:06 PM

quote:
I pointed out the other day.. its perplexing there are several fans here who have several live sets they like better than At Fillmore East including Derek Trucks live sets without the ABB..


We know

quote:
apparently a number of ABB fans who caught the Peach bug after 2001 aren't that interested in ABB recordings that don't have Derek Trucks on them


Their choice

quote:
I wonder if there are people who became Lynyrd Skynyrd fans in the 90's and 2,000's who are mostly interested in the later lineups and aren't big fans of the band when Ronnie was alive?


Very possibly


jszfunk - 4/6/2020 at 07:06 PM

quote:


I wonder if there are people who became Lynyrd Skynyrd fans in the 90's and 2,000's who are mostly interested in the later lineups and aren't big fans of the band when Ronnie was alive?


Funny you bring that topic up. I work with a guy that's about 7-8 yrs younger than me and really only knew and got into the Hagar era of VH. He was asking me questions about Roth and those releases. Good Grief!!!


BrerRabbit - 4/6/2020 at 07:17 PM

Could be a new thread, bands where you prefer later lineups over the original


BIGV - 4/6/2020 at 07:19 PM

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quote:


I wonder if there are people who became Lynyrd Skynyrd fans in the 90's and 2,000's who are mostly interested in the later lineups and aren't big fans of the band when Ronnie was alive?


Funny you bring that topic up. I work with a guy that's about 7-8 yrs younger than me and really only knew and got into the Hagar era of VH. He was asking me questions about Roth and those releases. Good Grief!!!


True when a "Rebirth" of a band takes place... Fleetwood Mac comes to mind immediately. It is what it is....

Always an interesting discussion; the "legitimacy" of which is incredibly subjective. Skynyrd can exist with one original member, the Who with two, the Brothers had three. But ask a Beatles fan if McCartney & Ringo were to re-group with two newbies if that could be the Beatles and the answer is a resounding NO.


JimSheridan - 4/6/2020 at 07:27 PM

Jszfunk,

I had a similar experience in the late 90s with 2 students I had, juniors in high school who were very driven musicians, one on guitar and one in bass. Their idols were Rush. These 2 guys lived for music and philosophy, so I was blessed to have them in an English class. All I needed to do was make any lesson contest to Rush, and they were hooked.

At any rate, we finally got into it one day, when I explained that I felt the “Exit Stage Left” album was Rush’s peak, with the studio albums leading up to that being their best studio work. After “Signals,” I explained, that’s where I became less interested.

This was the exact opposite of their take!!! They felt it wasn’t until the Mid 80s that Rush really got it right, and that the band keep getting better after that.

Go figure.


Marley - 4/6/2020 at 07:39 PM

That might've literally been the only thing in that post that wasn't an insult. It's how I'm trying to understand the guy and the reason I've tried - not very successfully - to push myself to be patient with blackey when he's repetitive and off-topic. I have friends and family who are on the autism spectrum, there's nothing wrong with being neuroatypical, and it's not a comment on anyone's worth or intelligence or similar to that other word Holt used. I'd never use either of those words as an insult. All of that said, this is not the place to have that conversation and I should've known that and recognized that it was going to be taken that way and lead to that kind of hostility, which is worse than blackey doing whatever it is he's doing. I think I was annoyed that I'd tried to be extra patient with him only to see him cross over from just being repetitive to being flat-out rude and arrogant. But I should know better than that.


BrerRabbit - 4/6/2020 at 07:39 PM

For me Rush is ByTor and the Snowdog.


BrerRabbit - 4/6/2020 at 07:48 PM

[quotelead to that kind of hostility




no hostility man, you just stepped on a third rail and got some sparks, it is nothing, I tried to tell you i was ok on it and why I react so

also @marly - it wasnt holt - i said "retard" - my bad, i just can't say things like "r word" or "n word" - if you gotta say it just say it


Stephen - 4/6/2020 at 08:01 PM

quote:
Not sure its better, comparing apples and oranges.

CSNY
Four Way Street



Not apples & oranges at all imho - good mention, surprised it wasn’t previously as a live album closely rivaling AFE - in my book - some might like it better, bomb
Ten Years After’s live ones, Undead, Live at the Fillmore & Stonedhenge - they do too, for me, along w/others

Would also have to mention Mountain’s The Road GoesnEver On
It rivals AFE/Peach alright - adoration
But it sure can’t top it

[Edited on 4/6/2020 by Stephen]


blackey - 4/6/2020 at 08:07 PM

Yes as to Van Halen, the Roth lineup was first and it was disappointing when he left and the band didn't seem to be as fun and loose (in a good way).

Early Rush for me too but after Neil Peart joined.

All the girls I knew years ago didn't care for Fleetwood Mac before Stevie Nix and Journey before Steve Perry and Doobie Brothers before Michael McDonald. But Greeny Fleetwood Mac is more my thing.

But the last lineup of the ABB playing Statesboro Blues, Liz Reed, Whipping Post, Blue Sky, Jessica, etc better than Duane Allman and Berry Oakley and the Chuck Lamar lineup for Jessica or Southbound blows my mind!!! Maybe I didn't have an open mind the times I saw the last lineup because I didn't hear it that way. Is there any old gans my age (73) out there like me?

And please I am NOT saying the last lineup was like the Mike Lawler David Toler lineup. The last lineup, Warren Woody, Jack Otiel and Chuck Lamar had some smoking shows that I saw.


Here is the Chuck Leavell version of the band smoking hot for example. Jaimoe red hot too.

https://youtu.be/gekvzbk4SRM

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AlPaul - 4/6/2020 at 08:12 PM

One thing to consider: I know for sure AFE was not overdubbed. Not the case with most of these albums. SRV's Live Alive is not good and it's an abomination to be the only official live release of such a great band. El Mocambo and the two ACL's were released as DVD's but not CDs and so are not on the streaming services.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of the others discussed here were heavily worked on in the studio. I've always heard that Waiting for Columbus, an album i love and listen to all the time.

The whole topic is ultimately silly, because if you like LF more than the ABB, it would follow you'd like that album better.

How do you compare Albert King to Van Halen? Coltrane and Miles to Peter Frampton. Bob Seger to the ABB? Just listen to what you love and retitle the thread - some of your favorite live albums, alongside AFE.


Lee - 4/6/2020 at 08:16 PM

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Lee what are you talking about? That hard to find Derek Trucks show is better that The Allman Brothers Band At Fillmore East????? The hell you say.

I know what you are. You are a huge Derek Trucks fan!! If Derek Trucks hadn't played in the Allman Brothers, you wouldn't be an ABB fan of any degree. Lee is an ABB fan as long as the line up has Derek Trucks in it. Otherwise it's not what floats his boat.

By the way Lee...Bob Seger Live Bullet and Bruce Springsteen Live is WAY better than Derek Trucks Back Yard Tracks Live!! Way better.

Oh and so is At Fillmore East by THE Allman Brothers Band.

In my book you just crossed over from boring, lonely and probably on the spectrum to just a pompous dick. Who are you to act like you're the judge of who's a real fan and who isn't? Lee has been here since 2002 and he's a true fan and a good guy. (And not especially a Derek guy from what I remember.) You showed up here long after most fans left the party and you have the nerve to act like you're everybody's boss and Allman Brothers teacher. You're not surrounded by kids who don't know the band. The posters who are still here saw dozens or hundreds of ABB shows for decades. And if that weren't bad enough, YOU'RE BORING. Thread after thread you give the same lecture about the original band, which 99.9% of fans like the best - and maybe people have been too nice to clue you in, but almost every story you tell about the band was repeated in a million interviews, articles, and books. It's stuff practically everyone here knows already. It's one thing if you're going to be dull, but if you're going to be dull and judgmental, get lost.

On the other hand acting like "I've got you pegged, YOU'RE a Derek Trucks fan" is some kind of insult at the Allman Brothers website is pretty funny.

[Edited on 4/4/2020 by Marley]


Thanks Marley! I agree with everything you said.

Okay Blackey:

Not that I should have to prove my devotion to the ABB but what the hell. I'll bite on your childish comments.

Do I think any of the live albums I mentioned better than LAFE? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on one's opinion. That was my point. So maybe someone here doesn't think that anyone can disagree with your point of view. That's a shame. I do think LAFE is one of the greatest live albums ever btw.

Why you claim I don't like LAFE or Eat A Peach (where did EAP enter the discussion?) is beyond me. In fact, I would be willing to make a gentlemen's bet that I have both releases in more formats than you. Vinyl, cassettes, CD, even a few 8 tracks. Imports, everything from Europe, South America, Japan (do you know what an OBI strip is?). Also have a real to real. Very hard to find.

Regarding Derek:

You sound like a kid in a schoolyard playground throwing insults around. I saw the ABB six years before he even joined the band. In fact, for the first four I had never even heard of the guy. So that shoots down your theory there. I actually liked him best in The dTb but that ship has obviously sailed. Marley's memory is correct; I was never in love with the guy. Great addition but not my favorite. Oh, you said Live Bullet and Bruce are better than Derek Trucks Back Yard Tracks. I would agree. Do you have the Derek CD?

I've spent literally thousands of dollars following this band. Traveled all over the country to see them. Can't say I am old enough to have seen the original band. So what?

If you are old enough to have done so, that is really cool. But if so, I would hope that you would be mature enough to carry on civil dialogue with anyone who may disagree with you.

Finally, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band are the best live band ever!



BIGV - 4/6/2020 at 08:52 PM

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One thing to consider: I know for sure AFE was not overdubbed.


Was not "You don't Love Me" sewn together from two shows? Maybe not "overdubbed" but sure as Hell not original.


blackey - 4/6/2020 at 08:56 PM

Lee this is getting confusing. I have some Seger and Bruce Springsteen albums but I don't think it's better than the Derek Truck hard to find release. I like listened to many of the tracks on that site. But Bruce is like Jimmy Buffet. One of the greatest live shows ever.

Yeah I'm 73 years old and was out there for several original band shows and that is what grabbed me and it was never the same after Duane for me but that doesn't mean I didn't get lit up by other ABB lineups including the last lineup. I actually thought the MSG show was powerful and I figured the original guys would approve.

I'm beginning to think some of my impressions of you may be confused with some anonymous Emails I received. One said the MSQ show, and they had seen lots of ABB shows, was the best and most powerful they had ever attended. It was a powerful night. Everyone on stage was inspired and determined to honor the band's legacy by playing those wonderful songs the best they could. I was impressed and inspired. But without Gregg's vocals it was the best??? Oh well I must begin to relax and realise there are ABB fans who like other lineups better than the original.

After all, the band's fan base tripled when Brothers and Sisters came out and they never saw Duane. But a lot of that left by 1976. In the south Lynyrd Skynyrd became bigger than the ABB in 1974 until the planecrash. They have sold more records too but actually that has nothing to do with what you dig. If I was just impressed with record sales then today I would be listening to Hip Hop. I think I did use the Platinum status of Fillmore East and Eat A Peach to give an edge to the original lineup but that was wrong to do. And the Chuck Lamar band had the biggest selling ABB album. So much for that theory

If we are ever at the same show again and I live a little longer I'd like to shake your hand and be friends. That care and be safe. I have to go to the grocery store but I have latex gloves now and finally found a mask. And Kroger requires 6 feet apart and one way aisles starting today.

Peace and stay safe to all here!


blackey - 4/6/2020 at 09:05 PM

BIGV. It's In Memory of Elizabeth Reed. What you hear on Fillmore East is one show to Duane's solo then Duane's solo and the drum break and the end is from a different show.

I was surprised when Tom Down admitted that. Tom said Dickey and Duane's best solos on that song were on different shows and since it's an instrumental piece he wanted to make that splice there.

He also spliced out Thom (Ace) Douchett's harmonica solo on Stormy Monday. So when Berry Oakley says at the end of the song " Brother Gregg Allman singing the blues. Duane, Dickey and Ace playing the blues", Tom faded Oakley out before he can say Ace.

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stormyrider - 4/6/2020 at 09:10 PM

Liz Reed was spliced by Tom Dowd. Years later he realized that he spliced the same version to itself. A s;ice, but not a splice
You Don't Love me WAS spliced from 2 shows. I think it was after the Duane solo, when everyone dropped out, before Dickey started
and Stormy Monday had Doucette cut out, like you mentioned. If I remember it was put back when the quadrophonic version came out

Check out the 6 disc box set. The answers are all there


blackey - 4/6/2020 at 09:18 PM

Okay stormyrider. Thanks. I only remember the Dowd interview where he claimed Dickey and Duane's solos are from different shows. He was mistaken.

But Gregg always said they did NOT do any overdubs and often, years ago, would claim other bands did so many repairs in the studio that the only thing live on the album is the audience

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stormyrider - 4/6/2020 at 09:35 PM

The Dead did many overdubs on E72
Vocals on I know you Rider
Cumberland Blues
Others I can’t remember

The liner notes on Waiting for Columbus delux cd mention Lowelldid a few overdubs

I agree that a splice is an alteration but not the same as an overdub
Ymmv

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jszfunk - 4/7/2020 at 12:15 PM

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Jszfunk,

I had a similar experience in the late 90s with 2 students I had, juniors in high school who were very driven musicians, one on guitar and one in bass. Their idols were Rush. These 2 guys lived for music and philosophy, so I was blessed to have them in an English class. All I needed to do was make any lesson contest to Rush, and they were hooked.

At any rate, we finally got into it one day, when I explained that I felt the “Exit Stage Left” album was Rush’s peak, with the studio albums leading up to that being their best studio work. After “Signals,” I explained, that’s where I became less interested.

This was the exact opposite of their take!!! They felt it wasn’t until the Mid 80s that Rush really got it right, and that the band keep getting better after that.

Go figure.


Yeah, it is kinda crazy isn't ?! I have a brother in law who is like that, just more of an 80's synth era Rush guy. I am guilty of that too with some acts. I am gonna tie that into another idea I have for a thread.


jszfunk - 4/7/2020 at 01:22 PM

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I wonder if there are people who became Lynyrd Skynyrd fans in the 90's and 2,000's who are mostly interested in the later lineups and aren't big fans of the band when Ronnie was alive?


Funny you bring that topic up. I work with a guy that's about 7-8 yrs younger than me and really only knew and got into the Hagar era of VH. He was asking me questions about Roth and those releases. Good Grief!!!


True when a "Rebirth" of a band takes place... Fleetwood Mac comes to mind immediately. It is what it is....

Always an interesting discussion; the "legitimacy" of which is incredibly subjective. Skynyrd can exist with one original member, the Who with two, the Brothers had three. But ask a Beatles fan if McCartney & Ringo were to re-group with two newbies if that could be the Beatles and the answer is a resounding NO.


Aerosmith, definitely had a "Rebirth" in the mid to late 80's for sure. I still really enjoy and like a lot Done with Mirrors, but Permanent Vacation really put them back on the map for sure.


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