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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 03:38 PM
There are always surveys as to who the top 20 guitar players of all time are. It always counts down and the top four or five are of course Hendrix, Clapton, Beck and Page. What i dont understand is in the top 20 why Derek is not on any of the lists.

Additionally why is Warren completely ignored. I never played guitar but have heard almost all of the people included and Derek and Warren have always stood out to me in comparison to guys like Richards, The Edge, Neil Young and many others.

Is Warren really not in that league or is it the success of the Bands???

 
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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 05:11 PM
Like pretty much all lists, it's subjective....I will say this, The Edge is the most overrated guitarist ever. How about that for being subjective?


 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 05:21 PM
Technically Gary Moore may be the best hard rock shredder I ever heard. But he never makes those lists either. There are many really talented guitar players and Warren and Derek are among them.

10 years ago or so there was a top 100 list put out and Hendrix was number one, Duane Allman was number two and Warren , Derek and Dickey made that list but were not in the top ten. Gary Moore didnt make it at all.

Find "The Messiah Will Come " by Gary on YouTube and it's an audience tape and he is playing a red Fender Stratocaster. I am almost certain NONE of the guitar players on any list or any that have been the the Allman Brothers could play note for note what Gary Moore does on that video. I mean nobody.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 06:26 PM
A co worker asked me who the best guitarist out there now is, I said Jeff Beck and Jack Pearson. He said Bonnamassa and Paul Gilbert are way better!. I said, let's talk football.
 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 08:27 PM
Absolutely impossible question to ever answer. The honest truth is that no rock player that ever lived could accomplish playing some classical piece. That said the classical player may not be able to play slide.

Too many different styles to even try the whole "best" thing.

All a matter of taste.

The guy that likely has made me say "How does he do that?" and "Holy **** !" likely more than anyone is Gary Moore. So versatile and out of this world finger strength and just so absorbed.

But I steal from lots of Favorite players. LOL

 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 08:42 PM
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The Edge is the most overrated guitarist ever.


I would have to agree. The "Master" lol, of the 2 (TWO) chord rhythm "Chop"...has anyone ever this guy play lead?

 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 08:49 PM
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A co worker asked me who the best guitarist out there now is, I said Jeff Beck and Jack Pearson. He said Bonnamassa and Paul Gilbert are way better!. I said, let's talk football.


Jeff Beck & Tommy Emmanuel

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Is Warren really not in that league or is it the success of the Bands???


Imho. Warren is an awesome "ABB" type of soloist who has a hard rock edge he can dial up anytime he wants. Top 20 greatest ever?..

Not to these ears...

 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 08:52 PM
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Like pretty much all lists, it's subjective....I will say this, The Edge is the most overrated guitarist ever. How about that for being subjective?




Very subjective and also "very" right ….

 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 08:56 PM
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A co worker asked me who the best guitarist out there now is, I said Jeff Beck and Jack Pearson. He said Bonnamassa and Paul Gilbert are way better!. I said, let's talk football.


I love these threads because of all the opinions.

I don't get Jeff Beck. 90% of what he plays seems like "musical masturbation" to me.

I have two friends that are pretty good guitar players as well as very versed in guitar history. One thinks Beck is the greatest ever (no question, whatsoever) but the other has a similar opinion to mine.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 09:59 PM
anyone out there hear of shawn lane? he's all over youtube.
bill nelson of be bop deluxe has some chops.
roy and rory and zappa always get over looked.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 10:06 PM
https://youtu.be/6Q0p7yXoOVg
 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 10:10 PM
Paco de Lucía & Al Di Meola - Mediterranean Sundance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C97H_HvBjPA

 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 10:13 PM
Chet Atkins could play things that would baffle pretty much every rock player and most anyone else.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 10:17 PM
Barcelona Guitar Trio

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  posted on 10/25/2019 at 10:52 PM
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I love these threads because of all the opinions.

I don't get Jeff Beck. 90% of what he plays seems like "musical masturbation" to me.

I have two friends that are pretty good guitar players as well as very versed in guitar history. One thinks Beck is the greatest ever (no question, whatsoever) but the other has a similar opinion to mine.


IMO there’s 2 Jeff Becks - the Truth/Beck-ola/Jeff Beck Group one
& the one who did Wired, Guitar Shop, There & Back & the mostly nondescript (to my ears) instrumental player

The 1st Jeff Beck Is to this day hard to top for me (along w/other players), watta treat when he did a few shows w/Rod S recently

[Edited on 10/26/2019 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 10/26/2019 at 12:16 AM
I'd like to address fensranger's question about Warren Haynes, and do so with respect.

Warren is a beast. If you see him live, you get your money's worth tenfold. The guy never dials it in. He plays hard and sweet and plays all night long. He is happy to share the stage with others, has the intelligence to drive a band like the ABB ( we would not have had the highs of 1989-1997 and 2001-2014 without Warren), has a great sense of melody, etc. He sings well and chooses cool covers. He also seems to be an excellent human being.

What might set him back a peg on the "lists" (which are indeed subjective) is that he is in some ways less distinctive or unique than some of the others. He treads ground that has been trod upon. He can sound more like a compendium of classic licks than an originator of new ideas.

He is not alone in this. I think many blues rock players fall into the same category. However, some of the ones who rise to the top somehow put a more unique or personal twist on it, or else they borrow from less obvious sources.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2019 at 12:21 AM
<<<<<IMO there’s 2 Jeff Becks - the Truth/Beck-ola/Jeff Beck Group one
& the one who did Wired, Guitar Shop, There & Back & the mostly nondescript (to my ears) instrumental player

The 1st Jeff Beck Is to this day hard to top for me (along w/others), watta treat when he did a few shows w/Rod S recently>>>>>>



I'm biased because I love Beck and am crazy about much of his catalogue. But I have to say, I do think that "Wired" and "Blow by Blow" should not be lumped in with his post-1970s work.

I do like a lot of "Guitar Shop" and I find moments of glory in his 1990-2019 work. I am also not crazy about a lot of his 1990-2019, even though I recognize his developments.

But man! I can't help but see "Cause We've Ended As Lovers" as being more of a pinnacle of his playing than the Rod Stewart stuff or the Bob Tench stuff.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2019 at 01:15 AM
I think for jam/jazz//soul rick - Derek Trucks is the greatest guitarist in the genre - and not greatest now, greatest ever.t

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  posted on 10/26/2019 at 02:08 AM
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Absolutely impossible question to ever answer. The honest truth is that no rock player that ever lived could accomplish playing some classical piece. That said the classical player may not be able to play slide.

Too many different styles to even try the whole "best" thing.

All a matter of taste.


That's right - couldn't say it better.


 

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  posted on 10/26/2019 at 06:06 AM
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But man! I can't help but see "Cause We've Ended As Lovers" as being more of a pinnacle of his playing than the Rod Stewart stuff or the Bob Tench stuff.


Good point, still spin Blow by Blow occasionally - Jeff kinda lost me after this point

Definitely Maybe is a pinnacle for me (all that stuff basically), good morning indeed

 

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  posted on 10/26/2019 at 07:23 AM
Warren doesn't really stand out with a unique style such as Jeff Beck, The 3 Kings of blues, Stevie Ray or Dickey Betts . But Warren is rock solid clean and always in the groove and on the beat. And he sounds great playing all kinds of music and seems to know over a thousand songs. And how clean and stop on Warren is on those Pink Floyd sings Govt Mule did and playing a Fender Stratocaster breaking from his usual Les Paul offered a Gilmore tone that was perfection.

Warren Haynes is one of my favorite musicians and singers of all time.

Derek Trucks caught a big dose of Duane Allman's vibe and style on slide. On straight guitar they are very different. Derek has soaked up other styles and has evolved from just being a Duane Allman type slide player. He recently said he rarely listens now to other guitar players for inspiration but listens to great horn players. Try putting Pete Fountain clarinet or Jack Teagarden slide trombone licks in your guitar bag of tricks. It's not easy and gives a guitar player and new twist to his style.

All of the really great guitar players have their own trademark style that is a little different from the rest. Derek Trucks is one of those.

Technically the best and most powerful hard rock style player I ever saw was Gary Moore. The first time years ago I had not even heard of Moore. After a few songs I remember thinking Eddie Van Halen or Jimi Hendrix couldn't blow this guy off the stage. Indeed they would have to put their A game together to be on the stage with Moore.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2019 at 10:45 AM
I see later day Jeff Beck as very similar to Miles Davis in his approach to his craft. He is a true master of his instrument and open to stylistic roamings that will deviate all over the map. No aim to please but to create in new ways in the manner he sees fit.

 

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  posted on 10/28/2019 at 12:56 PM
Hendrix is not my all-time favorite (though I like him very much), but I simply cannot imagine any list without him in the #1 slot.
 

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  posted on 10/28/2019 at 01:15 PM
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I love these threads because of all the opinions.

I don't get Jeff Beck. 90% of what he plays seems like "musical masturbation" to me.

I have two friends that are pretty good guitar players as well as very versed in guitar history. One thinks Beck is the greatest ever (no question, whatsoever) but the other has a similar opinion to mine.


IMO there’s 2 Jeff Becks - the Truth/Beck-ola/Jeff Beck Group one
& the one who did Wired, Guitar Shop, There & Back & the mostly nondescript (to my ears) instrumental player

The 1st Jeff Beck Is to this day hard to top for me (along w/other players), watta treat when he did a few shows w/Rod S recently

[Edited on 10/26/2019 by Stephen]


thank you
I've seen him and listened a fair bit
I think technically he's great, but he doesn't connect with me on an emotional level.

personal taste
for me, Derek clearly is the best rock / blues, whatever genre

Wes Montgomery, Joe Pass, John McGlaughlin - lots of great jazz players. can't pick 1

 

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  posted on 10/28/2019 at 02:54 PM
very interesting thoughts. I also feel Derek is one of the greatest that I have ever witnessed and playing with Warren together seems to propel him to his best. I am glad to see that others also believe Warren is a tremendous musician in his own right who generally get far less recognition then he deserves.


 
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