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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 09:26 AM
So the NYT has once again conducted a laudable and exhaustive investigation to prove what is common knowledge - Trump is not and never has been the great businessman he claimed.

This isn't surprising. His lie count is approaching or has exceeded 10,000 during his presidency & he didn't start when he was inaugurated. He's been lying publicly since he was a teenager to avoid military service. His early public lies - greatest dealmaker ever - were so preposterous that they were laughed off as PR or hyperbole from a brash young man desperate to be a Master of the Universe in the 1980s.

I suspect that no one - no matter what the party affiliation - cares. Sure, he ran his campaign in part on his fictional record of great business acumen, but so what? Do any of the people who voted for him regret their vote? Is there likely to be voter dissatisfaction expressed in 2020 because he wasn't any of the things he claimed to be & hasn't done anything remotely presidential since taking office?

Anyone here care about his exposed lies?

 
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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 10:07 AM
Yes. Each one is a step toward his demise.

He is a lie. Therefore his father is the father of lies. Omen soundtrack here.



 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 11:51 AM
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Omen soundtrack here.


Blasphemy! One of my all time favorite movies & only horror one on the list.

He's not evil. He's a boy from Queens who, through a great PR machine, bravado, & greedy acolytes, turned himself into PT Barnum's POTUS.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 11:59 AM
lol - we'll see I guess, when Prince Baron ascends to the Dark Throne . . . Damien . . . Beelzebub . . .
 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 01:09 PM
And the answer to my original question, does anyone here CARE that Trump's empire is smoke & mirrors...

Crickets.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 01:27 PM
What am I, chopped liver? I answered yes, right off, before the damien hoohah.
 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 03:22 PM
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And the answer to my original question, does anyone here CARE that Trump's empire is smoke & mirrors...

Crickets.

I think a lot of people already knew this (his businesses weren't financially but he hit it big with in Hollywood with The Apprentice), so it's no great surprise to those who saw through him while his supporters will likely rationalize it as a Phoenix risen even higher.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 04:50 PM
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And the answer to my original question, does anyone here CARE that Trump's empire is smoke & mirrors...

Crickets.
I don't think this will sway his legion of dopey supporters. They have the same look in their eyes as the sap's that worship televangelists, and send them their last dime. Trump ran a scam university, refused to pay subcontractors, declared bankruptcy 5 times, he not only avoided prison, but got elected president.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 04:53 PM
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What am I, chopped liver? I answered yes, right off, before the damien hoohah.

My mistake.

One person cares.

No one else does.

He will be re-elected.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 05:11 PM
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What am I, chopped liver? I answered yes, right off, before the damien hoohah.

My mistake.

One person cares.

No one else does.

He will be re-elected.


If he is re-elected it will say much more about the voting public more-so than Trump. Look at what pops wrote in an earlier post - it's just the tip of an iceberg. Has this country fallen so far so fast as to send Trump back to the WH? I keep hanging onto the midterms which were a referendum on Trump. That was an awakening and hopefully a precursor of things to come.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 05:14 PM
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They have the same look in their eyes as the sap's that worship televangelists, and send them their last dime


If only it were that mild - looks a lot more like


 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 05:44 PM
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So the NYT has once again conducted a laudable and exhaustive investigation to prove what is common knowledge - Trump is not and never has been the great businessman he claimed.

This isn't surprising. His lie count is approaching or has exceeded 10,000 during his presidency & he didn't start when he was inaugurated. He's been lying publicly since he was a teenager to avoid military service. His early public lies - greatest dealmaker ever - were so preposterous that they were laughed off as PR or hyperbole from a brash young man desperate to be a Master of the Universe in the 1980s.

I suspect that no one - no matter what the party affiliation - cares. Sure, he ran his campaign in part on his fictional record of great business acumen, but so what? Do any of the people who voted for him regret their vote? Is there likely to be voter dissatisfaction expressed in 2020 because he wasn't any of the things he claimed to be & hasn't done anything remotely presidential since taking office?

Anyone here care about his exposed lies?


Sure I do but until he loses Fox we are f'd.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-reacts-to-trump-tax-bombshell-he-has -the-best-accountants-in-the-world

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 06:10 PM
If you've been paying any attention to the world of real estate, banking, gambling, etc. for the past 25+ years none of what this article uncovered is a surprise. Maybe the shear scope of the fraud, but not really that Trump is a colossal failure as a person who actually runs a profitable business.

What the electorate should really be concentrating on is just how titled the tax code is so as to allow developers like Trump to actually engage in such massive legal tax avoidance. Including the most recent joke of a "tax reform" law that includes even more rules allowing for even more legal tax avoidance.

It's this point that the Dems., if they really cared about the middle and lower class, should be screaming about from now until election day. Every rally, debate, press appearance, interview, town hall, etc. with every Democrat should include a serious discussion about this topic. Beat this topic to a pulp!


 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 06:26 PM
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Has this country fallen so far so fast as to send Trump back to the WH?


There are none so blind as those who won't see. It is not a question of "Falling" ...more so about the Democrats not being able to field a voice who can defeat him. Don't like him?...Come up with a Platform that captures the voting populace's heart. In the meantime quit blaming others and look in the mirror....

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 06:54 PM
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If he is re-elected it will say much more about the voting public more-so than Trump. Has this country fallen so far so fast as to send Trump back to the WH?

My point exactly. Trump hasn't changed & Americans don't seem to care that there is now further confirmation that he's a fraud. It's not news. There's no news in the tax returns that Congress is aggressively trying to pry from his accountants' hands.

Martin, you're the torchbearer for faith in the electorate. I don't see any indication that there is a point at which voters will say "I will not have this man in the WH." IMO, some of those swept in by the midterms scare people of both parties. I hope you're right that someone will offer a viable alternative.

ITA w/Chain that ferreting out more evidence of corruption is irrelevant. Candidates who expect to be successful must address what voters' care about - themselves - & not the character of Trump. It's a non-starter.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 07:46 PM
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If he is re-elected it will say much more about the voting public more-so than Trump. Has this country fallen so far so fast as to send Trump back to the WH?

My point exactly. Trump hasn't changed & Americans don't seem to care that there is now further confirmation that he's a fraud. It's not news. There's no news in the tax returns that Congress is aggressively trying to pry from his accountants' hands.

Martin, you're the torchbearer for faith in the electorate. I don't see any indication that there is a point at which voters will say "I will not have this man in the WH." IMO, some of those swept in by the midterms scare people of both parties. I hope you're right that someone will offer a viable alternative.

ITA w/Chain that ferreting out more evidence of corruption is irrelevant. Candidates who expect to be successful must address what voters' care about - themselves - & not the character of Trump. It's a non-starter.


Your paragraph 2 - I guess I'm clinging to hopes in the electorate. I believe there are enough pockets of voters with diversified interests and all of the protest marches against Trump that we've seen almost from day 1 against him that some semblance of reality is enough to get rid of Trump. His TV moments with Putin should be enough to alienate those who drape themselves in the flag. Unfortunately they go silent. One would think that the Helsinki moment would be a wake up call for real independents and republicans.

The push in the midterms for healthcare platforms by the Dems was a big winner that helped propel 40 + seats take away from the GOP in the HOR. Voters bought that message much more than Trump's racist and fear mongering about caravans and immigration, which has been his go to since day 1. No doubt he'll use it again in the upcoming election along with his other go to hot buttons of media out to get him, deep state, etc.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 08:56 PM
It's not so much that I don't care, but I am numb to it all. It is like anything that desensitizes emotions and reactions. It has been so much of the lying, the cluelessness, the self serving, the idiocy it just becomes noise and normal.

He is still the President. What? I am not going to march in protest. I am not going to write letters to the editor. My silence, and I think that of others, doesn't mean I am voting for him again. Now that doesn't mean my vote is going to go to somebody else in the duopoly system to replace him either. I shouldn't rule that out really, it is early and there are some moderate, traditional Democrat candidates that I could potentially vote for depending where the debates and policy goes. But then there is always the 3rd party route which I have done in 2 of the last 3 elections anyway.

I think our friends on the center-left to further-left here need to be a little more confident in what the 2020 election outcome will be and what the majority of voting Americans will or won't do. Cyclone, why do you say "Americans don't care"? Sure, he has a base that will vote for him, I've been seeing Trump 2020 flags and hats for a few months now. Those people are out there. Comparatively speaking I do not believe there is a large enough base alone to propel him to victory. There are soooo many more people that are not going to support this President next year. I admit, on policy I'm not awfully upset right now. But nearly every day, or sometimes multiple times in the same day I say 'I can't stomach this any more'. To me, I would be shocked, overwhelmingly shocked if Trump were to get reelected. How is he winning PA, WI and MI again? Winning those states was so out of the ordinary and so unexpected and pretty close, what makes anyone think that will happen again? And that isn't even thinking about the potential for some other swing states to flip the other way.

I feel like the Democrats just don't need to mess it up. There are plenty of people that aren't voting for Trump this go-around, give them a moderate candidate and the election shouldn't be close. Even a more liberal candidate could probably still win this time around. The ball is clearly on their side and it is their game to win.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 09:23 PM
Another "The Orange Man is Bad" thread. I never get tired of these. The media can pat themselves on the back for pounding this drum day and nite. And they say the Russians brainwashed the masses. Strip away all the nonsense and you get down to why he will be re-elected in 2020:

Better ideas win:

1) Fix illegal immigration
2) Restore manufacturing
3) Revive the steel industry
4) Pro-Energy agenda
5) Less government
6) Strong military
7) Strong 2nd Amendment
8) America First
9) Jobs
10) and last but not least, the Wall


 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 09:28 PM
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Another "The Orange Man is Bad" thread. I never get tired of these. The media can pat themselves on the back for pounding this drum day and nite. And they say the Russians brainwashed the masses. Strip away all the nonsense and you get down to why he will be re-elected in 2020:

Better ideas win:

1) Fix illegal immigration
2) Restore manufacturing
3) Revive the steel industry
4) Pro-Energy agenda
5) Less government
6) Strong military
7) Strong 2nd Amendment
8) America First
9) Jobs
10) and last but not least, the Wall





That is all well and good, but he is a lying dick. So there is that.

Less government isn't always the right answer. Strong 2nd Amendment isn't always the answer. I'm a pretty "pro energy" guy if I think what I think you mean - but there is absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing alternative and renewable energy sources at the same time.

You can't paint the electorate with such a broad brush. Maybe in the Right vs Left, Republican vs Democrat sense, but more people are independent than they are members of those parties.

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 09:35 PM
Demagoguery wins. Demagoguery works. It has throughout history. Trump is very intelligent in branding, in scapegoating, in sound-biting, more than most people are. He knows media, and he knows audiences.

Trump gives his base a constant stream of enemies to hate; like so many great fear-mongers, he has demonized the media, especially the print press; he has demonized academia; he gave Trump America an awesome opportunity to hate on wealthy blacks via his stance on the NFL; he has demonized climate change and other scientific findings. He has made it easy to be dumb.

By getting caught telling lies almost daily, he has exhausted the voice of critics who call out his lies; plus, his base is so bored by hearing complaints about his lies that they no longer notice or care. It's just haters hatin' when someone points out that he just claimed that his father was born in Germany (!) or that windmills cause cancer (!).

It's impressive. This is a man who has publicly cheated on all 3 of his wives...and gets embraced by the religious right. This is a man who dodged the draft and publicly shamed veterans and war heros....and gets embraced by the military. He's a major TV star....who claims he is anti-Hollywood after years of "The Apprentice." He claims he keeps all of his campaign promises, yet on the campaign he promised that he'd release his tax returns and get Mexico to the pay for the wall. He's the guy who criticizes Obama's vacations yet takes more vacations than Obama did. The list goes on.

Yet there is a great chance he will win. He has Fox in his pocket, obviously, as well as talk radio, and that is huge. He can certainly point to upticks in the economy as long as you ignore the national debt's record heights. He has cut plenty of regulations, a great convenience to those who don't care about pollution or damage to the environment.

Plus, he pisses off liberals, especially those teachers who wanted you to learn to read books in school. He makes it fun to bash gays (who he embraced on the campaign trail) and illegal immigrants (though his own businesses hired them) and China (who made Trump products for years). Who wouldn't want this guy back?

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 10:44 PM
Im writing in JimSheridan in 2020
nebish for vice prez

[Edited on 5/9/2019 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 5/8/2019 at 11:07 PM
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Plus, he pisses off liberals, especially those teachers who wanted you to learn to read books in school.


Honestly, I think this is the most important thing to 80% of his supporters. They don't care what he does, as long as it pisses off liberals. They know he lies, but those lies puss off liberals so they love him. They know he is crooked, but the fact that it bothers liberals makes it ok.

Will he be reelected? Well that depends on a few thousand votes in a handful of states in the middle of the country. He doesn't need a majority of voters, he just needs to win the right states. It will help his cause if Democrats turn against each other like they did last time. If Russia can hack the right computer to make enough Democrats stay home in a few states, well the naked emperor gets 4 more years.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 12:11 AM
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They don't care what he does, as long as it pisses off liberals.


Or could it be that he espouses beliefs that Liberals find distasteful, but Conservatives agree with?

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He doesn't need a majority of voters, he just needs to win the right states.


Just like EVERY other President has done?......See, you can not win the WH without the Electoral College.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2019 at 06:39 AM
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Im writing in JimSheridan in 2020
nebish for vice prez

[Edited on 5/9/2019 by BrerRabbit]


Jim's post is one of the best I've read in WP in a long long time. He articulated so many factual points in one post. After reading that, it baffles the mind how anyone could even consider voting for the likes of Donald Trump.

Great post, Jim!

 

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Im writing in JimSheridan in 2020
nebish for vice prez

[Edited on 5/9/2019 by BrerRabbit]


I would love to see a unity ticket in 2020, a candidate who isn't beholden to the fringes of their parties, somebody who blurs the lines of traditional left/right positions. I was disappointed when Bloomberg opted out of running. Blending and compromising ideals is what interests me and I think is best for our country.

 
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