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  posted on 2/21/2019 at 04:46 PM
This is the case of a girl who spent 4 years with ISIS and then wanted to come back here. Her re-entry is being denied because technically she is not a U.S. born citizen.

"Muthana’s father was a Yemeni diplomat, working in the United States. Children born in the United States to accredited diplomats, under the 14th Amendment, do not acquire citizenship since they are not "born ... subject to the jurisdiction of the United States," according to United States Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Hassan Shibly, a representative for the Muthana family and a staff member of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, tweeted that she was born in Hackensack, New Jersey, in October 1994, months after her father informed the U.S. government he was no longer a diplomat."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-joined-islamic-state-cannot-return-u-pompe o-002817739.html


Remarks: Four years with Isis and she had more than one child with her Isis husband who was killed. Among the Arab Al Qaida fighters, if the men die in battle and are martyred, usually the wives become married to someone else, so that they are taken care of. Her wanting to just come back to the U.S. should raise eyebrows. Maybe she has been chosen for an operation here, OR maybe her story is true, she just wanted to leave there and leave that life behind. I do not think someone can spend 4 years over there and not have some questions to be answered if the judges decide she should be able to come back.

Beyond that, dual citizenship, diplomatic immunity and re-entry rights into the country should also be looked at. Maybe foreign policies need to be overhauled and changed. We were going to get rid of granting border babies automatic citizenship when their Mothers illegally crossed the Mexican border to deliver their babies in a U.S. hospital and then try to get citizenship after their babies are given automatic citizenship. The issue of children born of diplomats also needs to be looked at.



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This is how Britain is handling a similiar situation over there.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/home-secretary-says-not-make-someone-stateless-da ys-stripping-isis-bride-uk-citizenship-074442272.html?guccounter=1

eremy Corbyn has criticised the Home Office decision to strip Shamima Begum of her British citizenship, saying she should be allowed to return to the UK to face questioning. The Labour leader has now criticised Mr Javid’s action as ‘very extreme’ after diplomatic tensions broke out with Bangladesh denying the 19-year-old had citizenship in the nation she has apparently never visited.

Mr Corbyn told ITV News: ‘She obviously has, in my view, a right to return to Britain.

‘But I think the idea of stripping somebody of their citizenship when they were born in Britain is a very extreme manoeuvre indeed. Home Secretary Sajid Javid yesterday insisted he would not leave an individual ‘stateless’ after he was questioned about the future of Begum.

Mr Sajid made an order to strip the 19-year-old from London, who fled to Syria aged 15, of her of UK citizenship this week.

Mr Javid’s decision is only permissible under international law if Ms Begum is a citizen of another country.
The Bangladeshi minister of state for foreign affairs said yesterday: “The Government of Bangladesh is deeply concerned that she has been erroneously identified as a holder of dual citizenship shared with Bangladesh alongside her birthplace, the United Kingdom.

“Bangladesh asserts that Ms Shamima Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen. She is a British citizen by birth and has never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh. “It may also be mentioned that she never visited Bangladesh in the past despite her parental lineage.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/21/shamima-begums-family-hope- to-bring-her-baby-to-uk




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This is the case of a girl who spent 4 years with ISIS and then wanted to come back here. Her re-entry is being denied because technically she is not a U.S. born citizen


"4 years with ISIS"...She made her bed, now she gets to sleep in it.

 

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Hey maybe she can get on Whipping Post and tell us all how great the Taliban is and what a cool guy "Osama" is!
 

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Bro, she probably would not like the Taliban, as they have consistently and repeatedly expressed that Isis and their followers are disbelievers and not good Muslims. Isis fighters have killed Afghan Taliban by making them sit on land mines etc. when captured. Isis believes it is okay to remove a leader of a country by force. That is not Islamic. Even in the Quran it tells you that you must accept whoever is in power because it is by the decision of God to allow that person to be in that position. He is the one who can remove him at his will. This is why the Taliban did NOT try to take Karzai out of power. Isis believes if you don't like who is in power, you can remove them by force. That is NOT Islamic. This was also a point of variance in belief between the Afghan Taliban and Al Qaida.


https://nypost.com/2019/02/22/how-isis-used-twitter-to-radicalize-hoda-muth ana/

"In another, @ibnil0mar appears to be engaged in a debate with Muthana and users about the Muslim Brotherhood and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi’s coup against former President Mohamed Morsi.

“Kafir Sissi took the chair from kafir Morsi by Islamic ‘legitimate’ means – armed force,” he tweeted to them, using a derogatory term meaning infidel or nonbeliever."

Anything Isis learned from Osama was changed to suit their own vision of what Islam is. Osama never held slave markets parading naked women around and having men buy them. Isis did this in Iraq to the Yazidi girls. Osama never had his men gang rape women and tell them they would be going to heaven for consenting to this. But don't get me on my soapbox.

This woman, Hoda Muthana is suing President Trump.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/02/22/hoda-muthana-isis-brid es-family-file-lawsuit-against-trump-pompeo/2948575002/

"While in Syria she used her social media accounts to call for the death of Americans.

"Go on drive-bys and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriot, Memorial etc Day parades..go on drive by’s + spill all of their blood or rent a big truck n drive all over them. Kill them," Muthana wrote in a now suspended Twitter account, according to a 2015 profile of her by BuzzFeed News. "

Muthana's case mirrors that of Shamima Begum, a 19-year-old British woman who is detained in the same camp in Syria. Begum married an ISIS fighter when she was just 15 and now wants to return to Britain to raise her young son, born last week


FURTHER REMARKS: She left Alabama to go to Turkey to get to Syria to do jihad. She married THREE different fighters and was there for four years. When someone goes to a foreign land to do jihad, they usually are NOT allowed back in the US, because the ultimate jihad for Isis is against the West (led by the U.S.).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoda_Muthana

If she realized that Isis was not doing their jihad correctly, she could have fled to somewhere else and possibly studied Islam, go to Egypt to Al Azhar and formally study, or go to a neutral country that would accept refugees from war torn Syria. Her tweets in the NY Times article do not seem to show regret. She applauded the attacks in Paris.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/islamic-state-american-women.html

“Hats off to the mujs in Paris,” she said in one of them, using an abbreviation for “mujahedeen” on the day in 2015 when jihadists stormed the offices of Charlie Hebdo and killed 12 people at the satirical magazine.

It is reasonable to assume that the reality she lived under was a far cry from the romanticism of the guys that prompted her to go there in the first place, but there are still many issues to consider.

If the US does decide she was a citizen, she went to Syria to fight with Isis. That makes her an enemy combatant, so on that basis she could be denied re-entry to the U.S. She should try to go to Canada or some neutral country.

If there is no such law, Trump should create an Executive Order stating if someone living in the US goes to a foreign country to fight jihad, they cannot return to the U.S. Very Simple. My belief is if someone does not like the way things are in the country they are in, they should be able to go someplace else. I have said this about people living in Saudi Arabia who complain and want Democracy, leave Saudi, it is simple. Each country should have Places of Refuge where displaced people can live in a safe place if they are politically persecuted in the country they came from. Refuge is not the same as areas for refugees. Refugees are usually displaced due to war. It is a different issue.

I also think that OUR immigration laws need to be reformed. There are too many designations. Simplify it.
You are either a citizen or a guest, or an illegal trespassing here.

GUESTS can be Guest Workers here on Visas for specific amounts of time, and then they leave and go home. Or they can be GUESTS on vacation or visiting relatives, or spouses of other GUEST workers like Diplomats. IF THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS, THEY ARE GUESTS AND GUESTS DO NOT PERMANENTLY STAY SOMEPLACE, THEY COME AND THEY LEAVE.

How complicated does it have to be? Aliens, permanent residents, all this confusion. MAKE IT SIMPLE. Make it a policy that there are No MORE BORDER BABY citizens. If someone has a baby here, the baby is NOT A CITIZEN OF THE U.S. They are a citizen of whereever their Mother is a citizen of, end of story. They can stay here for 3 or 4 months until they are well enough to travel back to their homeland. If they want to become citizens, apply like anybody else.

All the undocumented people, how can we even vet them or know who they are? REAL SIMPLE, the Muslim way is that the women ALWAYS keep their FATHERS LAST NAMES, and of course the men also do, so you know who people are. They just put bint in front of the last name meaning daughter or, or bin in front of the last name meaning son of. We could do that as a NATIONAL POLICY, married women keep their father's names in Islam and America, HOW ABOUT THAT? WE know who people are. People from Central America commonly use their Mother's last name, not their Father's, it's cultural, when they marry they can use a combination of any of the three names as a last name the mother's, the father's or their husbands. It makes them hard to track if there are questions.

We could and SHOULD institute a NATIONAL POLICY of everyone maintaining their Father's last name for identity purposes. Married women's identification would identify them by their Father's last name. They can call themselves whatever they want, but their official identification, licenses, passports, social security cards etc. should be kept with just the name for continuity. That is my suggestion.

As to problems with identifying who the Father of someone is, DNA test them, eventually the Father will be identified and they won't have to go on Jerry Springer to find out who their Daddy is.








[Edited on 2/22/2019 by gina]

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  posted on 2/22/2019 at 07:18 PM
She should be welcomed back with open arms, then hanged for treason.
 

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She should be welcomed back with open arms, then hanged for treason.


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She should be welcomed back with open arms, then hanged for treason.


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Why PBS?

 

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She should be welcomed back with open arms, then hanged for treason.


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No Commercials..."Tonight's hanging is made possible by a Grant from (..................)"

 

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Hey maybe one of these new hemp startups could do a product placement, "rope brought to you by Hempire Products" kind of thing.
 

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Bro, she probably would not like the Taliban, as they have consistently and repeatedly expressed that Isis and their followers are disbelievers and not good Muslims. Isis fighters have killed Afghan Taliban by making them sit on land mines etc. when captured. Isis believes it is okay to remove a leader of a country by force. That is not Islamic. Even in the Quran it tells you that you must accept whoever is in power because it is by the decision of God to allow that person to be in that position. He is the one who can remove him at his will. This is why the Taliban did NOT try to take Karzai out of power. Isis believes if you don't like who is in power, you can remove them by force. That is NOT Islamic. This was also a point of variance in belief between the Afghan Taliban and Al Qaida.


https://nypost.com/2019/02/22/how-isis-used-twitter-to-radicalize-hoda-muth ana/

"In another, @ibnil0mar appears to be engaged in a debate with Muthana and users about the Muslim Brotherhood and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi’s coup against former President Mohamed Morsi.

“Kafir Sissi took the chair from kafir Morsi by Islamic ‘legitimate’ means – armed force,” he tweeted to them, using a derogatory term meaning infidel or nonbeliever."

Anything Isis learned from Osama was changed to suit their own vision of what Islam is. Osama never held slave markets parading naked women around and having men buy them. Isis did this in Iraq to the Yazidi girls. Osama never had his men gang rape women and tell them they would be going to heaven for consenting to this. But don't get me on my soapbox.

This woman, Hoda Muthana is suing President Trump.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/02/22/hoda-muthana-isis-brid es-family-file-lawsuit-against-trump-pompeo/2948575002/

"While in Syria she used her social media accounts to call for the death of Americans.

"Go on drive-bys and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriot, Memorial etc Day parades..go on drive by’s + spill all of their blood or rent a big truck n drive all over them. Kill them," Muthana wrote in a now suspended Twitter account, according to a 2015 profile of her by BuzzFeed News. "

Muthana's case mirrors that of Shamima Begum, a 19-year-old British woman who is detained in the same camp in Syria. Begum married an ISIS fighter when she was just 15 and now wants to return to Britain to raise her young son, born last week


FURTHER REMARKS: She left Alabama to go to Turkey to get to Syria to do jihad. She married THREE different fighters and was there for four years. When someone goes to a foreign land to do jihad, they usually are NOT allowed back in the US, because the ultimate jihad for Isis is against the West (led by the U.S.).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoda_Muthana

If she realized that Isis was not doing their jihad correctly, she could have fled to somewhere else and possibly studied Islam, go to Egypt to Al Azhar and formally study, or go to a neutral country that would accept refugees from war torn Syria. Her tweets in the NY Times article do not seem to show regret. She applauded the attacks in Paris.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/islamic-state-american-women.html

“Hats off to the mujs in Paris,” she said in one of them, using an abbreviation for “mujahedeen” on the day in 2015 when jihadists stormed the offices of Charlie Hebdo and killed 12 people at the satirical magazine.

It is reasonable to assume that the reality she lived under was a far cry from the romanticism of the guys that prompted her to go there in the first place, but there are still many issues to consider.

If the US does decide she was a citizen, she went to Syria to fight with Isis. That makes her an enemy combatant, so on that basis she could be denied re-entry to the U.S. She should try to go to Canada or some neutral country.

If there is no such law, Trump should create an Executive Order stating if someone living in the US goes to a foreign country to fight jihad, they cannot return to the U.S. Very Simple. My belief is if someone does not like the way things are in the country they are in, they should be able to go someplace else. I have said this about people living in Saudi Arabia who complain and want Democracy, leave Saudi, it is simple. Each country should have Places of Refuge where displaced people can live in a safe place if they are politically persecuted in the country they came from. Refuge is not the same as areas for refugees. Refugees are usually displaced due to war. It is a different issue.

I also think that OUR immigration laws need to be reformed. There are too many designations. Simplify it.
You are either a citizen or a guest, or an illegal trespassing here.

GUESTS can be Guest Workers here on Visas for specific amounts of time, and then they leave and go home. Or they can be GUESTS on vacation or visiting relatives, or spouses of other GUEST workers like Diplomats. IF THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS, THEY ARE GUESTS AND GUESTS DO NOT PERMANENTLY STAY SOMEPLACE, THEY COME AND THEY LEAVE.

How complicated does it have to be? Aliens, permanent residents, all this confusion. MAKE IT SIMPLE. Make it a policy that there are No MORE BORDER BABY citizens. If someone has a baby here, the baby is NOT A CITIZEN OF THE U.S. They are a citizen of whereever their Mother is a citizen of, end of story. They can stay here for 3 or 4 months until they are well enough to travel back to their homeland. If they want to become citizens, apply like anybody else.

All the undocumented people, how can we even vet them or know who they are? REAL SIMPLE, the Muslim way is that the women ALWAYS keep their FATHERS LAST NAMES, and of course the men also do, so you know who people are. They just put bint in front of the last name meaning daughter or, or bin in front of the last name meaning son of. We could do that as a NATIONAL POLICY, married women keep their father's names in Islam and America, HOW ABOUT THAT? WE know who people are. People from Central America commonly use their Mother's last name, not their Father's, it's cultural, when they marry they can use a combination of any of the three names as a last name the mother's, the father's or their husbands. It makes them hard to track if there are questions.

We could and SHOULD institute a NATIONAL POLICY of everyone maintaining their Father's last name for identity purposes. Married women's identification would identify them by their Father's last name. They can call themselves whatever they want, but their official identification, licenses, passports, social security cards etc. should be kept with just the name for continuity. That is my suggestion.

As to problems with identifying who the Father of someone is, DNA test them, eventually the Father will be identified and they won't have to go on Jerry Springer to find out who their Daddy is.


Hey Mr. Taliban, tally me banana.





 

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Obama had a soft-spot for terrorists so thank God President Trump is in charge.

 

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Obama had a soft-spot for terrorists so thank God President Trump is in charge.
Another stupid statement from you. trump takes the word of putin , a sworn enemy of the United States, over U.S. intelligence FACTS, on Veterans Day, on national television. he's a TRAITOR to the United States, but a hero to you. show us facts that Obama had a "soft spot" for terrorists.

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Putin is NOT an enemy of the United States. He is a Christian man who respects the sovereignty of other nations. He did NOT go into Syria until Assad asked him to help him with some trouble spots. Then he went in did some bombings and got out.

He does not want war with anyone especially the U.S. so why should he be an enemy of the U.S. If the Taliban can make nice go to his country to negotiate peace for Afghanistan why should Putin be an enemy to the U.S. Russia tried to take over Afghanistan back in the day; times have changed. Some of those intel people just do not understand diplomatic relations.

 

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You know zero about Russia.
 

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You know zero about Russia.


You'll have to forgive gina. She's been fixated on TB12's balls.

 

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Testosterone therapy and psych meds, brutal combo - would do a number on anyone.
 

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Putin is NOT an enemy of the United States. He is a Christian man who respects the sovereignty of other nations. He did NOT go into Syria until Assad asked him to help him with some trouble spots. Then he went in did some bombings and got out.

He does not want war with anyone especially the U.S. so why should he be an enemy of the U.S. If the Taliban can make nice go to his country to negotiate peace for Afghanistan why should Putin be an enemy to the U.S. Russia tried to take over Afghanistan back in the day; times have changed. Some of those intel people just do not understand diplomatic relations.


Russia has invaded 2 sovereign nations in the last 12 years - Ukraine and Georgia. Putin has violated a nuclear missile treaty with the US that has stood since Reagan was president. Russia meddled with US elections. So how exactly is Russia not the enemy of the US? Because Putin claims to be a Christian you assume he must be a nice guy? Wow!

 

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  posted on 2/24/2019 at 01:08 PM
LOL, the Russian Bear is so cuddly and snuggly. Who needs a war, these traitors are rolling out the "Red" carpet.
 
 


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