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  posted on 1/14/2019 at 03:54 PM
Politicians sucks, loyal hard working people trying to make ends meet raising families get zero pay check last Friday. Yeah my son is one of them. He spent months (years really) getting vetted for his job, proudly serves his country and works 12 hour shifts most days outdoors. Its winter and thankfully I will support him butt not all his colleagues have this kind of support. Many are like my kid, mortgage, children to feed, car loans etc. It is time to protest, tell all the morons in Washington to reopen the government and resolve this crisis.

Wonder how long the shut down will last if all the TSA's stop going to work? FBI calls in sick or borders get shut down for lack of custom agents. Time to protest this nonsense.

 
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  posted on 1/14/2019 at 07:30 PM
I don't think protests are going to do anything. Some humanitarian assistance has come from Canadian Air Traffic Controllers to their brothers in the US, free pizza.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/us/canadian-air-traffic-send-pizzas-to-us-co ntrollers-without-pay/index.html

 

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  posted on 1/15/2019 at 08:38 AM
When I asked friends & posted on this board where are the protests, the answer was 1) no one in DC cares, 2) demonstrations have lost their effectiveness, and 3) the 2020 ballot box will do the talking.

I don't think people like your son can wait until the inauguration of winners in January, 2021 for things to improve.

It's on us as individuals. Perhaps your son needs to email POTUS & tweet that he's been furloughed & DOESN'T think it's great. He's been conscripted into promoting a wall that isn't feasible according to engineers & the DHS. He's being supported by his dad. That can't be a good feeling, especially when he's a father himself.

I wish your family good luck.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2019 at 04:15 PM
My family (kid & his family) will be fine. Thank you! Its the hard working, loyal Americans who are doing important work that do not have the financial backing that I am very concerned about.
F Russians prey on this $hit and jam people up...


 

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  posted on 1/16/2019 at 04:15 PM
A friend of mine was on a flight yesterday and he asked the TSA agent if he had to remove his laptop from its case, and his response was "Why would I care, I'm not getting paid."

I'm guessing we are one more missed paycheck from airports closing down.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2019 at 04:19 PM
More damage done by: "The great deal maker"
 

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  posted on 1/16/2019 at 04:38 PM
Everyone should acknowledge that Trump wanted this and he got it. So make no mistake where or why this started (talking to the Trump is always right crowd).

Now, I think the Democrats made a mistake yesterday by not accepting the White House invitation to attend yesterday's meeting.

I know what they will say "why go, what will change", "nothing will come of it", "it will be a waste of time", "we don't want to give him a photo op". Even if any of those things are true, even just for appearance, invited members should've went. By not going they appear to be the ones not trying to negotiate and find a way forward. Whatever the truth is, by skipping that meeting the perception is Democrats aren't trying and perception can often be seen as reality for some.

And now, Pelosi is talking about delaying the State of the Union speech - which is 2 weeks away. That too leads one to believe that she thinks this shut down will still be in effect 2 more weeks from now and shows that she holds out no hope or willingness of trying to compromise on anything. I think that too is a bad look. Trump said Thursday before he left for Texas that compromise was something they could talk about. I have no idea what his version of compromise would be, and I have to assume the Democrats have no idea either because they are refusing to talk to each other now.

The situation is just totally effed up. First of all Congress can't do their job and pass budgets and appropriation bills on time so we keep finding ourselves at these stop-gap continuing resolutions. That sucks. Do your damn job. Second, Trump can't expect a House led by Democrats are going to give him what he wants when it is at odds with what they want and a shut down is not going to achieve that and instead hurt those not being paid and the party. Third, I think the lion share of blame falls at the feet of Trump and the Republicans no doubt. But as time wears on, Democrats too are going to get caught up in this and poisoned as well.

If you are a Republican you are blaming the Democrats. If you are a Democrat you are blaming the Republicans. I'm ready to just flush them all down the toilet and find entirely new people to put in every position of government.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2019 at 04:38 PM
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A friend of mine was on a flight yesterday and he asked the TSA agent if he had to remove his laptop from its case, and his response was "Why would I care, I'm not getting paid."

I'm guessing we are one more missed paycheck from airports closing down.


That person should be fired.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2019 at 04:57 PM
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Everyone should acknowledge that Trump wanted this and he got it. So make no mistake where or why this started (talking to the Trump is always right crowd).

Now, I think the Democrats made a mistake yesterday by not accepting the White House invitation to attend yesterday's meeting.

I know what they will say "why go, what will change", "nothing will come of it", "it will be a waste of time", "we don't want to give him a photo op". Even if any of those things are true, even just for appearance, invited members should've went. By not going they appear to be the ones not trying to negotiate and find a way forward. Whatever the truth is, by skipping that meeting the perception is Democrats aren't trying and perception can often be seen as reality for some.

And now, Pelosi is talking about delaying the State of the Union speech - which is 2 weeks away. That too leads one to believe that she thinks this shut down will still be in effect 2 more weeks from now and shows that she holds out no hope or willingness of trying to compromise on anything. I think that too is a bad look. Trump said Thursday before he left for Texas that compromise was something they could talk about. I have no idea what his version of compromise would be, and I have to assume the Democrats have no idea either because they are refusing to talk to each other now.

The situation is just totally effed up. First of all Congress can't do their job and pass budgets and appropriation bills on time so we keep finding ourselves at these stop-gap continuing resolutions. That sucks. Do your damn job. Second, Trump can't expect a House led by Democrats are going to give him what he wants when it is at odds with what they want and a shut down is not going to achieve that and instead hurt those not being paid and the party. Third, I think the lion share of blame falls at the feet of Trump and the Republicans no doubt. But as time wears on, Democrats too are going to get caught up in this and poisoned as well.

If you are a Republican you are blaming the Democrats. If you are a Democrat you are blaming the Republicans. I'm ready to just flush them all down the toilet and find entirely new people to put in every position of government.



At this point I blame McConnell more than Trump or the Democrats. The House has passed a bill to open the government and sent it to the Senate, and McConnell will not allow a vote on it because Trump won't support it. Well Mitch, that bill is very similar to one the Senate already passed. Let the Senate vote on it and if Trump vetos it then at least you did your part. It's not like you are doing anything else more important.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2019 at 05:17 PM
Polls follow. For those who indicate polls can be wrong as when Trump won the election, keep in mind that the prez polls right before the election were much closer within % points as compared to the much bigger deviation in the polls here that squarely blame Trump and what used to be considered the GOP. Also the polls indicate opposition to a wall.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-week-4-of-the-shutdown-americans-s till-think-trump-is-to-blame/

A Quinnipiac University poll found that 56 percent of voters held Trump and congressional Republicans responsible for the shutdown (the poll did not ask about the two separately). An additional 36 percent said they thought congressional Democrats were responsible. Only 2 percent of voters said that Trump’s national address changed their mind about building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border; 89 percent said it did not.
Fifty-five percent of Americans blamed Trump for the shutdown, while 32 percent pointed their fingers at congressional Democrats, according to a CNN/SSRS poll. (Respondents were not asked whether they blamed congressional Republicans.) The poll also found that most Americans did not support Trump’s proposal to build a border wall — 56 percent said they opposed the wall, and 39 percent said they were in favor of it. Those numbers are essentially unchanged from one month ago.
Asked for a CBS News/YouGov poll whom they blamed “the most” for the shutdown, 47 percent of Americans said Trump. Thirty percent said Democrats in Congress. Just 3 percent blamed congressional Republicans. But 20 percent of Americans placed the blame “equally” on all parties involved. The poll also found that a large majority of respondents were either “very” or “somewhat” concerned about the impact the shutdown would have on federal employees (74 percent), transportation and air travel (62 percent) and the economy (71 percent).
An ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 53 percent of Americans held Trump and congressional Republicans responsible for the shutdown, while 29 percent blamed Democrats in Congress. Fifty-four percent said they opposed the building of a border wall, a 9-point decline from a year earlier.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2019 at 05:22 PM
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At this point I blame McConnell more than Trump or the Democrats. The House has passed a bill to open the government and sent it to the Senate, and McConnell will not allow a vote on it because Trump won't support it. Well Mitch, that bill is very similar to one the Senate already passed. Let the Senate vote on it and if Trump vetos it then at least you did your part. It's not like you are doing anything else more important.


I'm not quite there because Trump absolutely took ownership of being proud to shut down the government, but McConnell has just quit working. He's got legislation from the House to open the government so bring it to a vote. It's his job. His job is to put legislation in front of the Prez to sign or veto. If there's a veto, then take it back for an over-ride & re-open the government. The excuse that it's a waste of time is ludicrous given that there's nothing else for him to do.

Negotiations shouldn't be between the Executive and the House. Congress proposes, debates & votes on legislation. The Prez has nothing to do w/it. He chooses to veto or not. That's his role.

I've no idea why DJT thinks the optic of him sitting alone in the WH w/no one coming to visit is useful. It makes him look incredibly stupid. Legislation gets passed on Capitol Hill. Legislation gets signed or vetoed in the WH so unless McConnell is in town & expected to come over w/something to sign, this "Home Alone" persona makes him look like he's forgotten he's not sitting in Trump Tower waiting for a dealmaker to come to him.


 

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A friend of mine was on a flight yesterday and he asked the TSA agent if he had to remove his laptop from its case, and his response was "Why would I care, I'm not getting paid."

I'm guessing we are one more missed paycheck from airports closing down.


If the EVP of the air traffic controllers union is correct that flying is less safe now than it was a month ago & that's the attitude of the TSA, then I'd say that's not far fetched. The union official made a point of saying it's not only passengers who are affected, but packages and medical supplies such as organs for transplant. "Sorry, we have a life-saving liver ready for transplant, but it can't fly to you because no one's awake in the control tower."

 

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  posted on 1/16/2019 at 05:42 PM
Federal workers NOT with Trump, but he told us they were with him. He just makes up crap for the cameras to make himself look good, but he just lies one breath at a time. And people say, "Oh that's just Trump".


https://news.yahoo.com/poll-shows-federal-workers-dont-prefer-border-wall-g etting-paid-155101845.html

According to the survey conducted by the Government Business Council and GovExec.com and released Tuesday, 71 percent of federal workers oppose the shutdown, compared to just 21 percent who support it. Just 34 percent of federal employees surveyed support Trump’s demand for funding for the wall, while 56 percent oppose it. And of those workers against the wall, more than 80 percent say they are strongly opposed to it.

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If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown -trump

 

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If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown -trump


Thanks for posting.

Power makes him tick, but what mystifies me is that he could be seen as extremely powerful, heroic even, if he were to act. Statements like "he's closely tied himself to Trump & can't cross Trump" seem bizarre. If the polls, sentiment, general consensus is that the shutdown is doing no one any good & making life miserable for us, what's he got to lose by crossing Trump? Trump's not in a winning position here.

I frankly do not understand the fear of losing Trump's "base." I'm not sure what that base is, but did see a poll that the base portion of white non-college educated men over 50 is waning in its support of Trump. As someone posted here, the best thing about Trump is that he's not expanding his base. Therefore, it can only stagnant or shrink.

The analysis that McConnell frankly doesn't know what to do is remarkable. It appears that no one in the GOP knows how to handle the volatile impulsive liar sitting in the Oval Office. Really?

 

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  posted on 1/16/2019 at 07:14 PM
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If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown -trump


Thanks for posting.

Power makes him tick, but what mystifies me is that he could be seen as extremely powerful, heroic even, if he were to act. Statements like "he's closely tied himself to Trump & can't cross Trump" seem bizarre. If the polls, sentiment, general consensus is that the shutdown is doing no one any good & making life miserable for us, what's he got to lose by crossing Trump? Trump's not in a winning position here.

I frankly do not understand the fear of losing Trump's "base." I'm not sure what that base is, but did see a poll that the base portion of white non-college educated men over 50 is waning in its support of Trump. As someone posted here, the best thing about Trump is that he's not expanding his base. Therefore, it can only stagnant or shrink.

The analysis that McConnell frankly doesn't know what to do is remarkable. It appears that no one in the GOP knows how to handle the volatile impulsive liar sitting in the Oval Office. Really?
The best thing about trump is he looks like he might croak any minute now.

 

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If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown -trump


Thanks for posting.

Power makes him tick, but what mystifies me is that he could be seen as extremely powerful, heroic even, if he were to act. Statements like "he's closely tied himself to Trump & can't cross Trump" seem bizarre. If the polls, sentiment, general consensus is that the shutdown is doing no one any good & making life miserable for us, what's he got to lose by crossing Trump? Trump's not in a winning position here.

I frankly do not understand the fear of losing Trump's "base." I'm not sure what that base is, but did see a poll that the base portion of white non-college educated men over 50 is waning in its support of Trump. As someone posted here, the best thing about Trump is that he's not expanding his base. Therefore, it can only stagnant or shrink.

The analysis that McConnell frankly doesn't know what to do is remarkable. It appears that no one in the GOP knows how to handle the volatile impulsive liar sitting in the Oval Office. Really?
The best thing about trump is he looks like he might croak any minute now.


He ate too many of the leftover hamburgers from hosting Clemson Tigers football team the other night?

 

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Sad so many working people do not have any emergency savings.

 

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Sad so many working people do not have any emergency savings.


The byproduct of free capitalism.

 

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Polls follow.


and now we know Trump thru Cohen paid $50K to manipulate a 2014 CNBC poll and a 2015 Drudge Report poll. Guiliani's response: "We know Cohen's a thief because he was reimbursed for more than he paid them."

Yep. No denial of the fact. Just business as usual in Trumpland.

 

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Polls follow.


and now we know Trump thru Cohen paid $50K to manipulate a 2014 CNBC poll and a 2015 Drudge Report poll. Guiliani's response: "We know Cohen's a thief because he was reimbursed for more than he paid them."

Yep. No denial of the fact. Just business as usual in Trumpland.


Last night I watched Chris Cuomo on Trump's favorite fake news station (CNN). Chris had Rudy on as guest. Rudy - what a piece of work. If anyone is a Ramblin' Man it's Rudy stringing lies & denials together nonstop. Jeez...he's really taken about a dozen steps backwards in his career. His credibility is zilch. This is what happens when one aligns with Agent Trump.

 

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  posted on 1/17/2019 at 03:02 PM
Time for a sequel to "Airplane" . . . Call it "White House".
 

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Pelosi spent the Christmas break in Hawaii.

Pelosi then took Democrat House members and party elites to Puerto Rico to party with lobbyists.
Pelosi continues to refuse to negotiate to reopen the Government.

President Trump denies Pelosi's next party trip:


Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay

President Trump on Thursday abruptly denied military aircraft to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for a foreign trip just minutes before the congressional delegation was set to depart, in a stunning decision that followed her call to delay the State of the Union address amid the government shutdown.

In a curt letter, Trump said her trip has been “postponed.”

“Due to the Shutdown, I am sorry to inform you that your trip to Brussels, Egypt, and Afghanistan has been postponed. We will reschedule this seven-day excursion when the Shutdown is over. In light of the 800,000 great American workers not receiving pay, I am sure you would agree that postponing this public relations event is totally appropriate,” Trump wrote.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-denies-pelosi-aircraft-for-foreign-t rip-in-response-to-call-for-state-of-the-union-delay

Pelosi also uses a military G5 to go to California every weekend.



 

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If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown -trump


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Power makes him tick, but what mystifies me is that he could be seen as extremely powerful, heroic even, if he were to act. Statements like "he's closely tied himself to Trump & can't cross Trump" seem bizarre. If the polls, sentiment, general consensus is that the shutdown is doing no one any good & making life miserable for us, what's he got to lose by crossing Trump? Trump's not in a winning position here.

I frankly do not understand the fear of losing Trump's "base." I'm not sure what that base is, but did see a poll that the base portion of white non-college educated men over 50 is waning in its support of Trump. As someone posted here, the best thing about Trump is that he's not expanding his base. Therefore, it can only stagnant or shrink.

The analysis that McConnell frankly doesn't know what to do is remarkable. It appears that no one in the GOP knows how to handle the volatile impulsive liar sitting in the Oval Office. Really?


You're welcome....The actual discussion was pretty interesting in that McConnell, in his early years as a politician, was very moderate. Once, however, the religious right began to dominate the national Republican party, he too shifted far right in order to gain and keep power within his state of Kentucky as well as in Washington D.C.

According to the people on the panel, McConnell is MIA at present and has hitched his horse to Trump and Trump's base because he can't lose Trump's supporters as that would jeopardize the Senate remaining in Republican hands and thus McConnell's speaker-ship. In other words it comes down to McConnell's own selfishness and need for remaining in power and the country be damned. It really is despicable the lengths many politicians will go to hold onto their seat. And that goes for both parties...

 

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If anyone here is curious as to why McConnell has basically abdicated his role of as Senate Majority leader vis vis Trump, check out the first hour of yesterday's "One Point." Quite a discussion led by some folks who have followed McConnell's career for decades. The discussion was quite telling about just what actually makes McConnell tick...Here's a link for anyone interested:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/15/mitch-mcconnell-government-shutdown -trump


Thanks for posting.



Power makes him tick, but what mystifies me is that he could be seen as extremely powerful, heroic even, if he were to act. Statements like "he's closely tied himself to Trump & can't cross Trump" seem bizarre. If the polls, sentiment, general consensus is that the shutdown is doing no one any good & making life miserable for us, what's he got to lose by crossing Trump? Trump's not in a winning position here.

I frankly do not understand the fear of losing Trump's "base." I'm not sure what that base is, but did see a poll that the base portion of white non-college educated men over 50 is waning in its support of Trump. As someone posted here, the best thing about Trump is that he's not expanding his base. Therefore, it can only stagnant or shrink.

The analysis that McConnell frankly doesn't know what to do is remarkable. It appears that no one in the GOP knows how to handle the volatile impulsive liar sitting in the Oval Office. Really?


You're welcome....The actual discussion was pretty interesting in that McConnell, in his early years as a politician, was very moderate. Once, however, the religious right began to dominate the national Republican party, he too shifted far right in order to gain and keep power within his state of Kentucky as well as in Washington D.C.

According to the people on the panel, McConnell is MIA at present and has hitched his horse to Trump and Trump's base because he can't lose Trump's supporters as that would jeopardize the Senate remaining in Republican hands and thus McConnell's speaker-ship. In other words it comes down to McConnell's own selfishness and need for remaining in power and the country be damned. It really is despicable the lengths many politicians will go to hold onto their seat. And that goes for both parties...



"McConnell's speaker-ship." - wrong.

Senator McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader and as with the entire nation, waiting for the Democrats to negotiate.

The legislation to fund national security on the southern boarder and re-open the government from the Democrat's partial shutdown is on the table but the Democrats refuse to negotiate.


 
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