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  posted on 10/28/2018 at 09:47 PM
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[They just need a reason to go off. When a president overtly speaks this at rallies and subtlety implies this as well, he is a lighting the candle for these mentally unstable types. Add in all of the social media language & reposting / retweeting, and it's a formula for bad things to happen.


So, sounds like you are saying it is the Presidents fault

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Am I blaming all of this on Trump? No. On the other hand his rallies, his rhetoric, his willingness to speak / imply violence, and his tweets cannot be dismissed as catalysts and contributing factors. I can't remember a president who over spoke and used his pulpit in such a way anywhere near the extent as Trump.


So, which is it? The President's fault? Yes or No?

 

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  posted on 10/28/2018 at 09:48 PM
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This is where the no personal attacks thing becomes a challenge.


Because people disagree with your view?

 

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No, not at all, that never bothers me, honest.- I was zippin my lip on my reaction to the autism chart.
 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 07:10 AM
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[They just need a reason to go off. When a president overtly speaks this at rallies and subtlety implies this as well, he is a lighting the candle for these mentally unstable types. Add in all of the social media language & reposting / retweeting, and it's a formula for bad things to happen.


So, sounds like you are saying it is the Presidents fault

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Am I blaming all of this on Trump? No. On the other hand his rallies, his rhetoric, his willingness to speak / imply violence, and his tweets cannot be dismissed as catalysts and contributing factors. I can't remember a president who over spoke and used his pulpit in such a way anywhere near the extent as Trump.


So, which is it? The President's fault? Yes or No?


Evidently you didn't understand the post. To answer your "yes" or "no' question - It is not a binary choice. The first line of the 2nd paragraph stated, "Am I blaming all of this on Trump?" The key word here is "all". I even went as far as to say "no". Let me add this - I do believe Trump doesn't get a free pass and is complicit in actions like these.


 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 07:38 AM
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[They just need a reason to go off. When a president overtly speaks this at rallies and subtlety implies this as well, he is a lighting the candle for these mentally unstable types. Add in all of the social media language & reposting / retweeting, and it's a formula for bad things to happen.


So, sounds like you are saying it is the Presidents fault

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Am I blaming all of this on Trump? No. On the other hand his rallies, his rhetoric, his willingness to speak / imply violence, and his tweets cannot be dismissed as catalysts and contributing factors. I can't remember a president who over spoke and used his pulpit in such a way anywhere near the extent as Trump.


So, which is it? The President's fault? Yes or No?


Evidently you didn't understand the post. To answer your "yes" or "no' question - It is not a binary choice. The first line of the 2nd paragraph stated, "Am I blaming all of this on Trump?" The key word here is "all". I even went as far as to say "no". Let me add this - I do believe Trump doesn't get a free pass and is complicit in actions like these.


We disagree here, I don't think "Binary" has anything whatsoever to do with it. There is no "Kind of" or "sort of" either you are ultimately responsible for your actions or you are not.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 12:20 PM
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[They just need a reason to go off. When a president overtly speaks this at rallies and subtlety implies this as well, he is a lighting the candle for these mentally unstable types. Add in all of the social media language & reposting / retweeting, and it's a formula for bad things to happen.


So, sounds like you are saying it is the Presidents fault

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Am I blaming all of this on Trump? No. On the other hand his rallies, his rhetoric, his willingness to speak / imply violence, and his tweets cannot be dismissed as catalysts and contributing factors. I can't remember a president who over spoke and used his pulpit in such a way anywhere near the extent as Trump.


So, which is it? The President's fault? Yes or No?


Evidently you didn't understand the post. To answer your "yes" or "no' question - It is not a binary choice. The first line of the 2nd paragraph stated, "Am I blaming all of this on Trump?" The key word here is "all". I even went as far as to say "no". Let me add this - I do believe Trump doesn't get a free pass and is complicit in actions like these.


We disagree here, I don't think "Binary" has anything whatsoever to do with it. There is no "Kind of" or "sort of" either you are ultimately responsible for your actions or you are not.


I disagree. Charles Manson never actually murdered anyone. Should he not have not had to face punishment? He only encouraged violence. I guess only those who physically killed someone should be held responsible for those actions.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 12:21 PM
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[They just need a reason to go off. When a president overtly speaks this at rallies and subtlety implies this as well, he is a lighting the candle for these mentally unstable types. Add in all of the social media language & reposting / retweeting, and it's a formula for bad things to happen.


So, sounds like you are saying it is the Presidents fault

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Am I blaming all of this on Trump? No. On the other hand his rallies, his rhetoric, his willingness to speak / imply violence, and his tweets cannot be dismissed as catalysts and contributing factors. I can't remember a president who over spoke and used his pulpit in such a way anywhere near the extent as Trump.


So, which is it? The President's fault? Yes or No?


Evidently you didn't understand the post. To answer your "yes" or "no' question - It is not a binary choice. The first line of the 2nd paragraph stated, "Am I blaming all of this on Trump?" The key word here is "all". I even went as far as to say "no". Let me add this - I do believe Trump doesn't get a free pass and is complicit in actions like these.


We disagree here, I don't think "Binary" has anything whatsoever to do with it. There is no "Kind of" or "sort of" either you are ultimately responsible for your actions or you are not.


I disagree. Charles Manson never actually murdered anyone. Should he not have not had to face punishment? He only encouraged violence. I guess only those who physically killed someone should be held responsible for those actions.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 12:24 PM
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[They just need a reason to go off. When a president overtly speaks this at rallies and subtlety implies this as well, he is a lighting the candle for these mentally unstable types. Add in all of the social media language & reposting / retweeting, and it's a formula for bad things to happen.


So, sounds like you are saying it is the Presidents fault

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Am I blaming all of this on Trump? No. On the other hand his rallies, his rhetoric, his willingness to speak / imply violence, and his tweets cannot be dismissed as catalysts and contributing factors. I can't remember a president who over spoke and used his pulpit in such a way anywhere near the extent as Trump.


So, which is it? The President's fault? Yes or No?


Evidently you didn't understand the post. To answer your "yes" or "no' question - It is not a binary choice. The first line of the 2nd paragraph stated, "Am I blaming all of this on Trump?" The key word here is "all". I even went as far as to say "no". Let me add this - I do believe Trump doesn't get a free pass and is complicit in actions like these.


We disagree here, I don't think "Binary" has anything whatsoever to do with it. There is no "Kind of" or "sort of" either you are ultimately responsible for your actions or you are not.


I disagree. Charles Manson never actually murdered anyone. Should he not have not had to face punishment? He only encouraged violence. I guess only those who physically killed someone should be held responsible for those actions.

Agree. And bin Laden wasn't flying those planes on 9/11.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 12:44 PM
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[They just need a reason to go off. When a president overtly speaks this at rallies and subtlety implies this as well, he is a lighting the candle for these mentally unstable types. Add in all of the social media language & reposting / retweeting, and it's a formula for bad things to happen.


So, sounds like you are saying it is the Presidents fault

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Am I blaming all of this on Trump? No. On the other hand his rallies, his rhetoric, his willingness to speak / imply violence, and his tweets cannot be dismissed as catalysts and contributing factors. I can't remember a president who over spoke and used his pulpit in such a way anywhere near the extent as Trump.


So, which is it? The President's fault? Yes or No?


Evidently you didn't understand the post. To answer your "yes" or "no' question - It is not a binary choice. The first line of the 2nd paragraph stated, "Am I blaming all of this on Trump?" The key word here is "all". I even went as far as to say "no". Let me add this - I do believe Trump doesn't get a free pass and is complicit in actions like these.


We disagree here, I don't think "Binary" has anything whatsoever to do with it. There is no "Kind of" or "sort of" either you are ultimately responsible for your actions or you are not.


I disagree. Charles Manson never actually murdered anyone. Should he not have not had to face punishment? He only encouraged violence. I guess only those who physically killed someone should be held responsible for those actions.


I believe Manson was convicted of both, first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

Keyword here is, Conspiracy

 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 12:51 PM
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Neo nazi trump supporters at work.

This crazy guy Robert Bowers that shot all of those people at the temple, apparently did not vote for, like, or support President Donald Trump.

I saw screenshots of his social media page where Robert Bowers wrote this himself.

Neo-Nazis-even the ones in European countries and the ones in North America in the United States and Canada, who are all in extreme minorities and only a tiny fraction of a percentage of the population even of small European countries, do not like Donald Trump because he likes Jews, completely supports Israel, has Jewish family members, and they feel he is too far left or a leftist/globalist.

Also, neo-nazis have always been around ever since the end of WW II, and are not some new phenomenon or coming out of the woodwork or having people join them-even in European countries or in North America.

I first saw evidence and actual neo-nazis in different European countries, and regions of Europe, and the United States and Canada in the late 1990s and very early 2000s during the Clinton years.




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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 03:15 PM
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[They just need a reason to go off. When a president overtly speaks this at rallies and subtlety implies this as well, he is a lighting the candle for these mentally unstable types. Add in all of the social media language & reposting / retweeting, and it's a formula for bad things to happen.


So, sounds like you are saying it is the Presidents fault

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Am I blaming all of this on Trump? No. On the other hand his rallies, his rhetoric, his willingness to speak / imply violence, and his tweets cannot be dismissed as catalysts and contributing factors. I can't remember a president who over spoke and used his pulpit in such a way anywhere near the extent as Trump.


So, which is it? The President's fault? Yes or No?


Evidently you didn't understand the post. To answer your "yes" or "no' question - It is not a binary choice. The first line of the 2nd paragraph stated, "Am I blaming all of this on Trump?" The key word here is "all". I even went as far as to say "no". Let me add this - I do believe Trump doesn't get a free pass and is complicit in actions like these.


We disagree here, I don't think "Binary" has anything whatsoever to do with it. There is no "Kind of" or "sort of" either you are ultimately responsible for your actions or you are not.


I disagree. Charles Manson never actually murdered anyone. Should he not have not had to face punishment? He only encouraged violence. I guess only those who physically killed someone should be held responsible for those actions.


I believe Manson was convicted of both, first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

Keyword here is, Conspiracy


Ok, but when does a conspiracy become a conspiracy? Seems like whipping up a frenzy at campaign rallies when you are not even up for election might qualify. Screaming that any free press that is the slightest bit critical of you is the enemy of the people, and then your followers target that same press seems to fit the bill of conspiracy.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 03:50 PM
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[They just need a reason to go off. When a president overtly speaks this at rallies and subtlety implies this as well, he is a lighting the candle for these mentally unstable types. Add in all of the social media language & reposting / retweeting, and it's a formula for bad things to happen.


So, sounds like you are saying it is the Presidents fault

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Am I blaming all of this on Trump? No. On the other hand his rallies, his rhetoric, his willingness to speak / imply violence, and his tweets cannot be dismissed as catalysts and contributing factors. I can't remember a president who over spoke and used his pulpit in such a way anywhere near the extent as Trump.


So, which is it? The President's fault? Yes or No?


Evidently you didn't understand the post. To answer your "yes" or "no' question - It is not a binary choice. The first line of the 2nd paragraph stated, "Am I blaming all of this on Trump?" The key word here is "all". I even went as far as to say "no". Let me add this - I do believe Trump doesn't get a free pass and is complicit in actions like these.


We disagree here, I don't think "Binary" has anything whatsoever to do with it. There is no "Kind of" or "sort of" either you are ultimately responsible for your actions or you are not.


I disagree. Charles Manson never actually murdered anyone. Should he not have not had to face punishment? He only encouraged violence. I guess only those who physically killed someone should be held responsible for those actions.


I believe Manson was convicted of both, first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

Keyword here is, Conspiracy


Ok, but when does a conspiracy become a conspiracy? Seems like whipping up a frenzy at campaign rallies when you are not even up for election might qualify. Screaming that any free press that is the slightest bit critical of you is the enemy of the people, and then your followers target that same press seems to fit the bill of conspiracy.


Comparing a political rally attended by thousands that is taped or filmed for whatever future purpose, Imho, is hardly in the same ballpark as 5 deranged people, led by a certified lunatic, sitting around a table plotting someone's death and then carrying it out in cold blood.

 

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[They just need a reason to go off. When a president overtly speaks this at rallies and subtlety implies this as well, he is a lighting the candle for these mentally unstable types. Add in all of the social media language & reposting / retweeting, and it's a formula for bad things to happen.


So, sounds like you are saying it is the Presidents fault

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Am I blaming all of this on Trump? No. On the other hand his rallies, his rhetoric, his willingness to speak / imply violence, and his tweets cannot be dismissed as catalysts and contributing factors. I can't remember a president who over spoke and used his pulpit in such a way anywhere near the extent as Trump.


So, which is it? The President's fault? Yes or No?


Evidently you didn't understand the post. To answer your "yes" or "no' question - It is not a binary choice. The first line of the 2nd paragraph stated, "Am I blaming all of this on Trump?" The key word here is "all". I even went as far as to say "no". Let me add this - I do believe Trump doesn't get a free pass and is complicit in actions like these.


We disagree here, I don't think "Binary" has anything whatsoever to do with it. There is no "Kind of" or "sort of" either you are ultimately responsible for your actions or you are not.


I disagree. Charles Manson never actually murdered anyone. Should he not have not had to face punishment? He only encouraged violence. I guess only those who physically killed someone should be held responsible for those actions.


I believe Manson was convicted of both, first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

Keyword here is, Conspiracy


Ok, but when does a conspiracy become a conspiracy? Seems like whipping up a frenzy at campaign rallies when you are not even up for election might qualify. Screaming that any free press that is the slightest bit critical of you is the enemy of the people, and then your followers target that same press seems to fit the bill of conspiracy.


Comparing a political rally attended by thousands that is taped or filmed for whatever future purpose, Imho, is hardly in the same ballpark as 5 deranged people, led by a certified lunatic, sitting around a table plotting someone's death and then carrying it out in cold blood.


So suggesting violence in front of thousands is ok, but in a small group setting is bad? Well, ok then...

 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 04:14 PM
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So suggesting violence in front of thousands is ok, but in a small group setting is bad? Well, ok then...
Really? A jury was convinced that Manson instructed others to kill. Do you think there is proof anywhere that Trump instructed anyone to kill? If you believe Trump is guilty of causing this crime then how do you deal with "When they are down we kick them"? or (and I paraphrase here, We can't be civil until we are back in power. or how about, "Get up in their faces..." You know, if you act like a dumbass people are going to start treating you as such.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 04:35 PM
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So suggesting violence in front of thousands is ok


Does this scenario adequately describe a Conspiracy?

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This small group conspired to commit murder and then followed through

 

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  posted on 10/29/2018 at 04:37 PM
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The answer is always more guns.


In this Republic and the value we place on Liberty, that solution beats the Hell out of "We need more Laws"


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The fall back is mental health.


I repeat, "Who in possession of a Healthy mind walks into any place where people have gathered and begins randomly killing, be it with a gun or a bomb"?

It is absolutely a Mental Health issue

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Bullsh!t. in switzerland, people love their guns, but have strict laws on who can have them, the result??? hardly any gun massacres.


Let's see Switzerland has 8.7 million people and the USA has roughly 325 million......Factor in education, history, health and now tell me that was a relevant comparison.
So you believe because there are a lot less people there, their approach means nothing?, I don't think so. They don't allow the ment ally ill to access firearms, or those who are wife beating pieces of sh!t and have violent tendencies, no guns for you. I'm sure no matter what the population is there, the result would be the same.

 

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So you believe because there are a lot less people there, their approach means nothing?, I don't think so. They don't allow the ment ally ill to access firearms, or those who are wife beating pieces of sh!t and have violent tendencies, no guns for you. I'm sure no matter what the population is there, the result would be the same.
They also don't allow same sex marriage. Prostitution and assisted suicide are legal though. Maybe you want to consider going there if you like their laws so well.

 

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So you believe because there are a lot less people there, their approach means nothing?, I don't think so. They don't allow the ment ally ill to access firearms, or those who are wife beating pieces of sh!t and have violent tendencies, no guns for you. I'm sure no matter what the population is there, the result would be the same.
They also don't allow same sex marriage. Prostitution and assisted suicide are legal though. Maybe you want to consider going there if you like their laws so well.
I guess this post goes above your comprehension?, no surprise!

 

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Prostitutes assist you with suicide in Switzerland? I'm there.
 

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Prostitutes assist you with suicide in Switzerland? I'm there.
I hadn't done the math myself but now that you mention it... Might be a good place to retire. Permanently!

 

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So suggesting violence in front of thousands is ok, but in a small group setting is bad? Well, ok then...
Really? A jury was convinced that Manson instructed others to kill. Do you think there is proof anywhere that Trump instructed anyone to kill? If you believe Trump is guilty of causing this crime then how do you deal with "When they are down we kick them"? or (and I paraphrase here, We can't be civil until we are back in power. or how about, "Get up in their faces..." You know, if you act like a dumbass people are going to start treating you as such.


Civility from liberals. Is that what you all want? Highly doubtful.

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Neo nazi trump supporters at work.

This crazy guy Robert Bowers that shot all of those people at the temple, apparently did not vote for, like, or support President Donald Trump.

I saw screenshots of his social media page where Robert Bowers wrote this himself.

Neo-Nazis-even the ones in European countries and the ones in North America in the United States and Canada, who are all in extreme minorities and only a tiny fraction of a percentage of the population even of small European countries, do not like Donald Trump because he likes Jews, completely supports Israel, has Jewish family members, and they feel he is too far left or a leftist/globalist.

Also, neo-nazis have always been around ever since the end of WW II, and are not some new phenomenon or coming out of the woodwork or having people join them-even in European countries or in North America.

I first saw evidence and actual neo-nazis in different European countries, and regions of Europe, and the United States and Canada in the late 1990s and very early 2000s during the Clinton years.




[Edited on 10/29/2018 by The_Newt]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e3T3VHmEkg

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I could think of worse ways to go.

 

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Civility from liberals. Is that what you all want? Highly doubtful.

The division is a good thing. More should embrace it.


Why such a broad brush?

 

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  posted on 10/30/2018 at 05:56 AM
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The answer is always more guns.


In this Republic and the value we place on Liberty, that solution beats the Hell out of "We need more Laws"


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The fall back is mental health.


I repeat, "Who in possession of a Healthy mind walks into any place where people have gathered and begins randomly killing, be it with a gun or a bomb"?

It is absolutely a Mental Health issue

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Bullsh!t. in switzerland, people love their guns, but have strict laws on who can have them, the result??? hardly any gun massacres.


Let's see Switzerland has 8.7 million people and the USA has roughly 325 million......Factor in education, history, health and now tell me that was a relevant comparison.
So you believe because there are a lot less people there, their approach means nothing?, I don't think so. They don't allow the ment ally ill to access firearms, or those who are wife beating pieces of sh!t and have violent tendencies, no guns for you. I'm sure no matter what the population is there, the result would be the same.


If someone really wants to get a gun in Switzerland, or in any other European country, they easily can on the black market there or in any number of nearby European countries.

https://www.thelocal.ch/20180614/swiss-police-logistics-chief-suspected-of- illegal-arms-sales

In comparison to other European countries, Switzerland has a high rate of death from guns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_ra te

Also, while many people think that various European countries must be very liberal/leftist because they have decriminalized/legalized prostitution and decriminalized/legalized/socially tolerated soft drugs like hash and weed, and Psilocybin mushrooms, the governments and people of these countries are actually rather conservative politically and socially.

Neo-Nazi and extremely far right nationalist-neo-fascist political groups, and social attitudes are also very popular in Switzerland, and gaining popularity especially among younger people, and older people as well in many other European countries. However, this should not be a surprise to anyone as it's been this way for decades. No this does not mean that most people in these countries are neo-nazis, support neo-nazi groups, etc. It's like here in the United States where there's a very tiny percentage of the population that consists of neo-nazis.

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[Edited on 10/30/2018 by The_Newt]

 

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