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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 05:41 PM
If we want them to stop coming, there has to be a real deterrant.

We could put them on a big boat and send them to Cuba and tell them this is our thank you for the Marielita boat lift refugees they sent us.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 10:41 AM
President Trump is doing exactly what both Obama and Clinton supported. Schumer also made similar comments.

The difference is that only President Trump is doing something about it where Obama and Clinton failed to act:



"We are a generous and welcoming people here in the United States," But those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country."
- Obama


"All Americans ... are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country," The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens."

"We are a nation of immigrants," Clinton added. "But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."
- Clinton

Videos included:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-cites-2005-obama-remarks-to-support- immigration-policy


 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 10:51 AM
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The difference is that only President Trump is doing something about it where Obama and Clinton failed to act:


False.

Every administration has deported illegal immigrants, with record numbers during Obama's first term. The difference is Trump has made a lot of fools believe that wasn't happening and vilified immigrants and refugees.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 12:11 PM
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The difference is that only President Trump is doing something about it where Obama and Clinton failed to act:


False.

Every administration has deported illegal immigrants, with record numbers during Obama's first term. The difference is Trump has made a lot of fools believe that wasn't happening and vilified immigrants and refugees.



Liar.

President Trump has never "vilified immigrants and refugees".
He has called out illegal aliens just as Obama and Clinton have done.

You would benefit by getting informed and stop lying.


 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 12:21 PM
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The difference is that only President Trump is doing something about it where Obama and Clinton failed to act:


False.

Every administration has deported illegal immigrants, with record numbers during Obama's first term. The difference is Trump has made a lot of fools believe that wasn't happening and vilified immigrants and refugees.



Liar.

President Trump has never "vilified immigrants and refugees".
He has called out illegal aliens just as Obama and Clinton have done.

You would benefit by getting informed and stop lying.


YOU LIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXYXaUJ4ROOnly a moron/traitor would support a lying, scumbag, traitor like trump, who is on his knees and totally controlled by a sworn enemy of the United States [putin]

[Edited on 10/24/2018 by pops42]

 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 12:41 PM
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The difference is that only President Trump is doing something about it where Obama and Clinton failed to act:

False.

Every administration has deported illegal immigrants, with record numbers during Obama's first term. The difference is Trump has made a lot of fools believe that wasn't happening and vilified immigrants and refugees.

Liar.

President Trump has never "vilified immigrants and refugees".
He has called out illegal aliens just as Obama and Clinton have done.

You would benefit by getting informed and stop lying.

Like I said, there are a lot of fools Trump has duped, count yourself among them if you like. Neither Obama, Clinton, nor Bush, ever called illegal immigrants "animals" or told people they'd be "overrun" by "violent" illegal immigrants.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 01:07 PM
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The difference is that only President Trump is doing something about it where Obama and Clinton failed to act:


False.

Every administration has deported illegal immigrants, with record numbers during Obama's first term. The difference is Trump has made a lot of fools believe that wasn't happening and vilified immigrants and refugees.


You can’t use facts here. No no, you’ve got to make one up that’s better like “ And Obama bought em cars with money donated to the Clinton Foundation by the devil”

 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 01:19 PM
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President Trump is doing exactly what both Obama and Clinton supported.


Interesting. So then Trump and his supporters are backing an Obama and Clinton policy? Why would Trump copy a liberal left-wing policy?

 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 01:48 PM
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Every administration has deported illegal immigrants


Yeah, almost like an obligated Presidential/Congressional declaration of, "Look we did our part", when in truth the problem simply lies in two places. Mexico's corrupt Gov't absolutely refuses to use its resources in a manner that will benefit its own citizens. 2) The United States absolutely refuses to legislate and prosecute companies that hire Illegal Immigrants. Stop dangling the carrot and hold Mexico accountable. We have the means to force them to move into the 21st century while at the same time fining the Hell out of any industry entangled in the Federal net.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 01:54 PM
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The difference is that only President Trump is doing something about it where Obama and Clinton failed to act:

False.

Every administration has deported illegal immigrants, with record numbers during Obama's first term. The difference is Trump has made a lot of fools believe that wasn't happening and vilified immigrants and refugees.

Liar.

President Trump has never "vilified immigrants and refugees".
He has called out illegal aliens just as Obama and Clinton have done.

You would benefit by getting informed and stop lying.

Like I said, there are a lot of fools Trump has duped, count yourself among them if you like. Neither Obama, Clinton, nor Bush, ever called illegal immigrants "animals" or told people they'd be "overrun" by "violent" illegal immigrants.



Try again son.

President Trump did not call illegal immigrants "animals". That lie was the lefties and the corrupt liberal media.

He called the MS-13 gang members, the rapists and killers supported by the Democrats, animals.


 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 07:01 PM
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This caravan thing is an organized invading force that has declared illegal intent and as such is an army of war. Stop it with a measure of force fitting the force it brings. No shooting.

This is not the same as people privately sneaking across in small groups, it is an open declaration of threat, and an announcement to the world of defiance of US sovereignty. We need to stop this wave, easy enough, in a calm and civil fashion.

[Edited on 10/23/2018 by BrerRabbit]



There are some who believe Americans are financing this caravan!

https://onenewsnow.com/national-security/2018/10/24/proof-americans-are-fun ding-gang-middle-eastern-laced-caravan

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton – who heads his government watchdog group that has a team in Guatemala looking into the suspicious illegal migration – is calling on President Donald Trump to launch a criminal investigation to find the American roots of the mass exodus that originated in Honduras.

U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Spokesman Tyler Houlton verified that the caravan is riddled with numerous gang members and males with Middle Eastern and Asian origins.

The conservative Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández contended that migrants are being manipulated by the left to destabilize his country, and Vice President Mike Pence told The Washington Post that the Honduran leader revealed to him that Venezuela’s left-wing government was financing the caravan.


REMARKS: Groups organized to invade another country are not just mild mannered poor people seeking a better life. There are probably a bunch of them in the caravan, but there seems to be more sinister motives and others hiding behind that. Invasions must not be allowed. Other countries do not allow it and we must not either.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 07:20 PM
Anyone notice how quite the Democrats have been on the illegal alien invasion (they call it a caravan) headed here?

Maybe they remember what Obama, Clinton and Schumer told them about the rule of law and that we must protect our country.


 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 09:40 PM
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Anyone notice how quite the Democrats have been


How quite what?

 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 10:03 PM
LOL
 

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  posted on 10/24/2018 at 10:34 PM
The simple end to the "immigration" problem is to prevent business from profiting
from this labor pool.

Since that is, of course, not allowed, business is more than happy
to have taxpayers foot the bill (haw haw haw) for the importation
of cheap labor.

After all, nobody is coming here if there are no jobs.
And Americans' wages are essentially stagnant for low paid work.

End of story.

[Edited on 10/25/2018 by WaitinForRain]

 

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  posted on 10/25/2018 at 09:34 AM
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The simple end to the "immigration" problem is to prevent business from profiting
from this labor pool.

Since that is, of course, not allowed, business is more than happy
to have taxpayers foot the bill (haw haw haw) for the importation
of cheap labor.

After all, nobody is coming here if there are no jobs.
And Americans' wages are essentially stagnant for low paid work.

End of story.


Exactly. But some in Trump’s camp would rather escalate hostility towards those at the bottom rung of the ladder that flee. Sad.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2018 at 05:05 PM
Trump is sending 800 military troops to the border, i think he needs more, 14,000 people are reportedly coming.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/foreign-invasion-will-us-military-con front-migrants-at-border_10232018


AND somebody is handing out money to these up and coming invaders, see the video

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/video-someone-is-handing-out-stacks-of-cash- to-the-migrants-headed-to-the-united-states_102018




[Edited on 10/25/2018 by gina]

 

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  posted on 10/25/2018 at 06:00 PM
At any rate, back to the original question, "Why is the immigration problem so difficult?"

Legal immigration is a difficult problem due to the miles of red tape that must be dealt with, along with many other hurdles to gaining citizenship. I once considered a move to Victoria BC, but gave up when faced with the stack of paperwork. In addition, immigrants have always faced problems adjusting to their new home, what with competition for housing and employment, as well as the problem of being accepted socially.

Illegal immigration presents its own set of serious problems: exploitation by smugglers, exposure to piracy, privation, and the elements, and an uncertain fate if apprehended, or abuse at the hands of the unscrupulous who take advantage of their precarious illegal status, criminally low wages, any number of problems.


 

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  posted on 10/25/2018 at 06:52 PM
President Trump offer the Democrats a deal that included immigration reform that would have solved the problems along with a solution to help the so-called “Dreamers”.

The Democrats refused to even discuss the matter.

The Democrats do not want a solution, they want the issue.


 

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President Trump offer the Democrats a deal that included immigration reform that would have solved the problems along with a solution to help the so-called “Dreamers”.

The Democrats refused to even discuss the matter.

The Democrats do not want a solution, they want the issue.




The Republicans control both houses of Congress. The only way the deal failed is if some Republicans did not support it.

 

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President Trump offer the Democrats a deal that included immigration reform that would have solved the problems along with a solution to help the so-called “Dreamers”.

The Democrats refused to even discuss the matter.

The Democrats do not want a solution, they want the issue.




The Republicans control both houses of Congress. The only way the deal failed is if some Republicans did not support it.




The Republicans do not "control" both houses of Congress. The Republicans have the majority in both houses of Congress because The American People threw the Democrats out of control.

To pass immigration legislation, how many votes is required in The House and The Senate?

 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 10:18 AM
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how many votes is required


How many votes are required

 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 10:57 AM
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How many votes are required



Yet you cannot answer the question just like keller the uninformed.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2018 at 05:33 PM
I am fine with free English tutoring, but I don't do research for those too lazy to bother, but since you could not resist attacking me personally in this case I will make an exception:

Simple majority in the House to pass a bill - 218 votes out of 435.
Repubs have 235 votes - looks like you have some defectors there.

In Senate, 51 out of 100. There are 51 Republicans, so again the purge seems to be failing. 60 seats for filibuster proof majority - but filibusters are not the chief cause of sabotage of Republican legislation. It is division among Republicans.

Oh well, maybe someday you will enjoy lockstep majority, but for now there is still independent action.

 

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I am fine with free English tutoring, but I don't do research for those too lazy to bother, but since you could not resist attacking me personally in this case I will make an exception:

Simple majority in the House to pass a bill - 218 votes out of 435.
Repubs have 235 votes - looks like you have some defectors there.

In Senate, 51 out of 100. There are 51 Republicans, so again the purge seems to be failing. 60 seats for filibuster proof majority - but filibusters are not the chief cause of sabotage of Republican legislation. It is division among Republicans.

Oh well, maybe someday you will enjoy lockstep majority, but for now there is still independent action.



"Simple majority in the House"

Wrong.

You and keller might want to take a basic civics course.

To pass immigration reform legislation 2/3 of the House must vote in the affirmative and 60 Senators.

The Democrats refuse to support any immigration reform legislation.


 
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