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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 09:42 PM
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Do you think a wall would stop 7000 people?.


The attitude of the left hasn't worked/is not working.
WTF are you talking about?


Different ideals and goals. Does not the left disagree wholeheartedly with the idea of a wall?

Do you think the border should be open?...Or should we hire 3X as many border agents?...other thoughts?

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trump and the repubicants are in charge now!, what are they doing???.


Do you think they meeting with any resistance from The Democrats?
They hold the majority [republicants], and are the current ruling party.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 09:47 PM
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Tell me what people of any skin color/race who choose to come here Illegally know about Liberty and what we have gone through here as a society to embrace it?


I wouldn’t be so arrogant to think I know what others have been through. Why don’t you ask this question to some old-school Italian, Irish, and Russian familes who are sure to know a few illegals? They’ll gladly inform you I’m sure.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2018 at 09:50 PM
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Tell me what people of any skin color/race who choose to come here Illegally know about Liberty and what we have gone through here as a society to embrace it?


I wouldn’t be so arrogant to think I know what others have been through. Why don’t you ask this question to some old-school Italian, Irish, and Russian familes who are sure to know a few illegals? They’ll gladly inform you I’m sure.


Key word in your quote: "Old School"

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 10:29 AM
This caravan thing is an organized invading force that has declared illegal intent and as such is an army of war. Stop it with a measure of force fitting the force it brings. No shooting.

This is not the same as people privately sneaking across in small groups, it is an open declaration of threat, and an announcement to the world of defiance of US sovereignty. We need to stop this wave, easy enough, in a calm and civil fashion.

[Edited on 10/23/2018 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 10:41 AM
The U.S. is a sovereign nation and has the right to control its borders. President Trump is doing his job and the Democrats are throwing a fit yet again. Too bad.

The Democrats are desperate for the Latino vote, citizen or illegal alien. After losing middle-class Democrats because of their socialist positions the Democrats have become frantic to regain power.
The Democrats do not want a solution, they just want the issue.

President Trump offered the Democrats a solution for their “Dreamers” fiasco. The Democrats refused that and any other immigration reforms. Liberal activist judgers have mage it almost impossible for the U.S. to properly process immigrants. Fortunately, those judge’s rulings are about to be over turned by The Supreme Court.

The Democrats and Fake News claim that the people in the “caravan” are women and small children. The majority are young men as evidenced by the pictures and videos.

Many of the young men in the caravan are carrying the Guatemalan and Honduran flags. If they are so proud of their countries, why don’t they stay and fight?

The U.S. does not need unskilled labor that does not speak English. We need exactly what President Trump is calling for: a merit-based immigration system which is supported by the American People.

The Border Patrol in Texas alone has apprehended almost 800 Middle Eastern men in 2018. All but two dozen have already been deported.

President Trump will stop the invaders.


 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 10:48 AM
This is a nobrainer. Any president would stop this nonsense. No need to dither into cheap heroics. Just turn them around.
 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 11:06 AM
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This caravan thing is an organized invading force that has declared illegal intent and as such is an army of war. Stop it with a measure of force fitting the force it brings. No shooting.

This is not the same as people privately sneaking across in small groups, it is an open declaration of threat, and an announcement to the world of defiance of US sovereignty. We need to stop this wave, easy enough, in a calm and civil fashion.


"in a calm and civil fashion"....

It has a "Declared Illegal intent and as such is an army of war"..."No shooting"?

Interesting. And just how is that to be accomplished?...If this "caravan" reaches the U.S. border with Mexico, troops of some sort will need to be present, either the National Guard or the Military. We won't be posting any type of force on the Mexican side. How can this possibly be non-confrontational?....

Mexico would almost have to be an active participant here, allowing them to get this far, their Gov't thinking..."Trump and his wall, hahahaha".....Well, sorry to say this will probably do a lot to strengthen the argument that a Wall is absolutely necessary. But, the leftists will be there with their signs claiming ALL of these people are fleeing abusive Gov'ts and want nothing more than an opportunity to escape poverty and a cruel regime. Funny how all of these extremely poor individuals have found the resources to walk how far? (Approx 1400 miles) with food, clothing, water, shelter being supplied by whom?

Just ask yourself, "I have the means, how much would it cost me to walk 1,400 miles"?


Build the wall!

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 11:30 AM
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How can this possibly be non-confrontational?....


Confrontation does not require firing on an unarmed adversary.

Calm and civil, you didn't like that either. This is a symbolic demonstration, testing the US. 7000 people is what, a couple Beacon Theaters? Not a big deal. Yes it is stacking up to be a drama - "the whole world is watching" this one, as is intended by the players. This is where the US could totally blow it by overreacting, or take a great opportunity to show the world how a civilized people manages a tricky situation.

Or get all worked up and turn it into a fiasco. Your choice.


 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 11:42 AM
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Many of the young men in the caravan are carrying the Guatemalan and Honduran flags. If they are so proud of their countries, why don’t they stay and fight?


You don’t understand why Central Americans would want to immigrate to the US? Yikes!

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The U.S. does not need unskilled labor that does not speak English. We need exactly what President Trump is calling for: a merit-based immigration system which is supported by the American People.


This opinion probably isn’t too popular with the red state farmers, and construction companies throughout the US.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 11:45 AM
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How can this possibly be non-confrontational?....



Calm and civil, you didn't like that either.


Calm and Civil is always the preferred option. I am wondering how this statement "This caravan thing is an organized invading force that has declared illegal intent and as such is an army of war"...

....reflects calm & civil?

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 11:52 AM
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Many of the young men in the caravan are carrying the Guatemalan and Honduran flags. If they are so proud of their countries, why don’t they stay and fight?


You don’t understand why Central Americans would want to immigrate to the US? Yikes!


Why are they not waving U.S. Flags? According to your logic, they wish to emigrate here and work, take advantage of opportunity. On a World stage, would not more sympathy be garnered by showing a Love and respect for a Culture you are attempting to embrace?

NO!..They are proud of their homelands!...That is exactly why they are leaving.....

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 11:54 AM
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Well, sorry to say this will probably do a lot to strengthen the argument that a Wall is absolutely necessary.


Serious question, have you ever spoken to a Mexican who crossed into the US illegally about this proposed idea?

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But, the leftists will be there with their signs claiming ALL of these people are fleeing abusive Gov'ts and want nothing more than an opportunity to escape poverty and a cruel regime.


No, not all Democrats and “leftists” will be saying that, but go ahead and childishly believe all people in a political party are exactly the same.

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Funny how all of these extremely poor individuals have found the resources to walk how far? (Approx 1400 miles) with food, clothing, water, shelter being supplied by whom?


Because they can find the resources on this particular journey, then there must be plenty of resources and a safe environment 24/7/365? Surely you aren’t suggesting such a thing.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 11:59 AM
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On a World stage, would not more sympathy be garnered by showing a Love and respect for a Culture you are attempting to embrace?

NO!..They are proud of their homelands!...That is exactly why they are leaving.....


See it as you wish, but I’ve read that many of them are trying to raise awareness about their countries’ issues, hence the flags. You choose to be cynical and that’s your right......and character.

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 12:00 PM
Ok, I see your complaint, the "army of war" , thx. Meaning a declared organized intent . I guess it does sound inflammatory - used it to define it as opposed to individual border crossing , which is not a declared act of conflict, and clarify the nature of the force. This is a political action.

Nonviolent Civil Disobedience is considered a form of warfare, it is studied at West Point, you know that? It is harder to manage civil disobedience than armed conflict, as the cost in trust to a govt that cuts down unarmed people is heavier than physical losses. Look at the impact of a few deaths at Kent State - a crushing defeat for the armed retaliation.

[Edited on 10/23/2018 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 12:03 PM
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Funny how all of these extremely poor individuals have found the resources to walk how far? (Approx 1400 miles) with food, clothing, water, shelter being supplied by whom?


Because they can find the resources on this particular journey, then there must be plenty of resources and a safe environment 24/7/365? Surely you aren’t suggesting such a thing.


That, is exactly what I am suggesting.

We are not the solution to the 3rd world's problems.

How much of your paycheck are you willing to donate to this plight on a regular basis? Surely, one donation will not fix this. See, this is the left in a nutshell, an expectation that this issue needs to be addressed and that everyone here must share in that burden. To decline is to be Racist, there can be NO other reason.

I refuse. You however, can donate all you want.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 12:05 PM
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Ok, I see your complaint, the "army of war" , thx. Meaning a declared organized intent . I guess it does sound inflammatory - used it to define it as opposed to individual border crossing , which is not a declared act of conflict, and clarify the nature of the force.

Nonviolent Civil Disobedience is considered a form of warfare, it is studied at West Point, you know that? It is harder to manage civil disobedience than armed conflict, as the cost in trust to a govt that cuts down unarmed people is heavier than physical losses. Look at the impact of a few deaths at Kent State - a crushing defeat for the armed retaliation.


Fair, thoughtful and appreciated, Thanks for expounding and enjoy the day.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 01:04 PM
[quote[See, this is the left in a nutshell, an expectation that this issue needs to be addressed and that everyone here must share in that burden. To decline is to be Racist


And there it is. BIGVictim of the left strikes again. So burdened and unfairly judged!!!!!!!! Never about anything else.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 01:44 PM
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So burdened


Only through my Tax$$ funding Illegal Immigrants

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 02:31 PM
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Only through my Tax$$ funding Illegal Immigrants


We can’t control where our tax dollars go, and we’ll all always be paying for it - why feel burdened by it?

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 02:34 PM
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Only through my Tax$$ funding Illegal Immigrants


We can’t control where our tax dollars go, and we’ll all always be paying for it - why feel burdened by it?


Because we have HOMELESS VETERANS sleeping in the streets.

Priorities

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 02:47 PM
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Because we have HOMELESS VETERANS sleeping in the streets.

Priorities


How is this your financial burden?

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 03:28 PM
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Because we have HOMELESS VETERANS sleeping in the streets.

Priorities


How is this your financial burden?


Go away, please

OK, you have forced my hand and now, I must use a disparaging, belittling phrase.

You are a child. That makes twice in one day I have been mean, having called you a Clown and a Child.

How will you respond?, because I know you can not walk away.

 

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[quoteGo away, please

OK, you have forced my hand and now, I must use a disparaging, belittling phrase.

You are a child. That makes twice in one day I have been mean, having called you a Clown and a Child.

How will you respond?, because I know you can not walk away.


Holy meltdown! LOL! Look at your reaction to “how is it your financial burden”. You are by far the most sensitive person in the Whipping Post.

If I respond to your name-calling, it means “I can’t walk away.”.....so bizarre. Why can’t you handle simple questioning without losing your cool?

You disparage people whenever you feel like it, and then meltdown the second someone gives it right back to you.



 

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Because we have HOMELESS VETERANS sleeping in the streets.

Priorities


How is this your financial burden?


Go away, please

OK, you have forced my hand and now, I must use a disparaging, belittling phrase.

You are a child. That makes twice in one day I have been mean, having called you a Clown and a Child.

How will you respond?, because I know you can not walk away.

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You are trying to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
His childish reactions fail to mature.


[Edited on 10/23/2018 by Muleman1994]

 

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  posted on 10/23/2018 at 04:45 PM
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and then meltdown the second someone gives it right back to you.


"Meltdown" lol

What a Clown

 

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