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  posted on 7/12/2018 at 10:48 AM
http://gothamist.com/2018/07/11/city_winery_disney_relocation.php

Well this is a bummer. Not just for City Winery, which will no doubt find another space in Manhattan, but more so for the beautiful 120 year old building. City Winery has managed to attract some great acts in an intimate space, but I've never enjoyed the dinner & a show setting. I hate seeing the character of NYC town down for glass towers, and am surprised the building isn't historically protected. The area has gotten more congested over the past decade after a lot of great improvement, but a huge shiny Disney HQ feels way out of place to me.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2018 at 11:18 AM
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Well this is a bummer. Not just for City Winery, which will no doubt find another space in Manhattan, but more so for the beautiful 120 year old building. City Winery has managed to attract some great acts in an intimate space, but I've never enjoyed the dinner & a show setting. I hate seeing the character of NYC town down for glass towers, and am surprised the building isn't historically protected. The area has gotten more congested over the past decade after a lot of great improvement, but a huge shiny Disney HQ feels way out of place to me.


Do you know if all City Winerys are closing or is this just a NYC thing? We have one here in Chicago.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2018 at 11:27 AM
Article doesn't say any are closing. They'll move in NYC in 2020 (I guess unless they can't find a suitable location elswehere). Wouldn't affect other markets. I've been to our Atlanta City Winery once, but have had a number of shows I wanted to see there.

 

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  posted on 7/12/2018 at 11:33 AM
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Do you know if all City Winerys are closing or is this just a NYC thing? We have one here in Chicago.


Just the original NYC location. It's not closing, as I mentioned it's just moving in 2020 because the current building will be demolished.

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  posted on 7/12/2018 at 12:22 PM
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Do you know if all City Winerys are closing or is this just a NYC thing? We have one here in Chicago.


Just the original NYC location. It's not closing, as I mentioned it's just moving in 2020 because the current building will be demolished.

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  posted on 7/13/2018 at 02:52 PM
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http://gothamist.com/2018/07/11/city_winery_disney_relocation.php

Well this is a bummer. Not just for City Winery, which will no doubt find another space in Manhattan, but more so for the beautiful 120 year old building. City Winery has managed to attract some great acts in an intimate space, but I've never enjoyed the dinner & a show setting. I hate seeing the character of NYC town down for glass towers, and am surprised the building isn't historically protected. The area has gotten more congested over the past decade after a lot of great improvement, but a huge shiny Disney HQ feels way out of place to me.

Historic buildings are being razed because of greed.
Politician$$$ dictate zoning, planning and building, all lubed by big$$ "donations (we called it "bribery")
No more working class allowed to live in Manhattan.
Shame what the greed will do to a once great city.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2018 at 08:06 PM
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Well this is a bummer. Not just for City Winery, which will no doubt find another space in Manhattan, but more so for the beautiful 120 year old building. City Winery has managed to attract some great acts in an intimate space, but I've never enjoyed the dinner & a show setting. I hate seeing the character of NYC town down for glass towers, and am surprised the building isn't historically protected. The area has gotten more congested over the past decade after a lot of great improvement, but a huge shiny Disney HQ feels way out of place to me.

Historic buildings are being razed because of greed.
Politician$$$ dictate zoning, planning and building, all lubed by big$$ "donations (we called it "bribery")
No more working class allowed to live in Manhattan.
Shame what the greed will do to a once great city.


With all due respect, this view is a bit extreme. City Winery is in Soho, a high rent area and only getting higher. Walk 500 feet south and there's the old Trump Soho ( now the Dominick ) and even further south and east numerous toney restaurants, shops, etc. If anything, blame the owners of the Winery. I doubt their economic position was made any worse off as a result of this move. Disney likely made a very nice offer for the property ---- supply and demand....

 

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  posted on 7/14/2018 at 09:08 PM
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Well this is a bummer. Not just for City Winery, which will no doubt find another space in Manhattan, but more so for the beautiful 120 year old building. City Winery has managed to attract some great acts in an intimate space, but I've never enjoyed the dinner & a show setting. I hate seeing the character of NYC town down for glass towers, and am surprised the building isn't historically protected. The area has gotten more congested over the past decade after a lot of great improvement, but a huge shiny Disney HQ feels way out of place to me.

Historic buildings are being razed because of greed.
Politician$$$ dictate zoning, planning and building, all lubed by big$$ "donations (we called it "bribery")
No more working class allowed to live in Manhattan.
Shame what the greed will do to a once great city.


With all due respect, this view is a bit extreme. City Winery is in Soho, a high rent area and only getting higher. Walk 500 feet south and there's the old Trump Soho ( now the Dominick ) and even further south and east numerous toney restaurants, shops, etc. If anything, blame the owners of the Winery. I doubt their economic position was made any worse off as a result of this move. Disney likely made a very nice offer for the property ---- supply and demand....

Extreme?
My dad was born and raised in "Hell's Kitchen". He fought in the Air Corps in WW II.
The greedy politicians who now run NYC have made it impossible for young working families who want to raise a family to live there. That is my point.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2018 at 11:55 PM
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With all due respect, this view is a bit extreme. City Winery is in Soho, a high rent area and only getting higher. Walk 500 feet south and there's the old Trump Soho ( now the Dominick ) and even further south and east numerous toney restaurants, shops, etc. If anything, blame the owners of the Winery. I doubt their economic position was made any worse off as a result of this move. Disney likely made a very nice offer for the property ---- supply and demand....


If Chase Bank buys the Beacon Theater from MSG and converts it into a banking location, would you still say "supply and demand"?

I don't think it's extreme to hope the character of a city be preserved for those who live there, rather than corporate headquarters. As the article states, Trinity Church, who has owned acres of Manhattan since they've been founded, owned the building and made the sale to Disney. City Winery is merely a tenant looking for a new home.

Hey, I'm all for free market too, but that doesn't mean billionaires replacing historic blocks of the city, where people live, with glass towers is great for the neighborhood. Granted, the West Side was a whole different story 15-20 years ago, but that doesn't mean it should be torn down now just because some idiot built a hotel a few blocks over.

I'm not saying the City Winery building is old Penn Station, but these historic buildings are what makes NYC great and are worth keeping around. It's a shame when they're gone.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2018 at 12:36 PM
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Well this is a bummer. Not just for City Winery, which will no doubt find another space in Manhattan, but more so for the beautiful 120 year old building. City Winery has managed to attract some great acts in an intimate space, but I've never enjoyed the dinner & a show setting. I hate seeing the character of NYC town down for glass towers, and am surprised the building isn't historically protected. The area has gotten more congested over the past decade after a lot of great improvement, but a huge shiny Disney HQ feels way out of place to me.

Historic buildings are being razed because of greed.
Politician$$$ dictate zoning, planning and building, all lubed by big$$ "donations (we called it "bribery")
No more working class allowed to live in Manhattan.
Shame what the greed will do to a once great city.


With all due respect, this view is a bit extreme. City Winery is in Soho, a high rent area and only getting higher. Walk 500 feet south and there's the old Trump Soho ( now the Dominick ) and even further south and east numerous toney restaurants, shops, etc. If anything, blame the owners of the Winery. I doubt their economic position was made any worse off as a result of this move. Disney likely made a very nice offer for the property ---- supply and demand....

Extreme?
My dad was born and raised in "Hell's Kitchen". He fought in the Air Corps in WW II.
The greedy politicians who now run NYC have made it impossible for young working families who want to raise a family to live there. That is my point.



Fair point and a nationwide issue in densely populated, high growth urban areas ( suburban, too ). Local diversity replaced by some new form of wealthy, globalized citizenry. I'm not going to judge good or bad because I do see the benefits of both. Perhaps a healthier mix of the two is the happy medium.

 

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With all due respect, this view is a bit extreme. City Winery is in Soho, a high rent area and only getting higher. Walk 500 feet south and there's the old Trump Soho ( now the Dominick ) and even further south and east numerous toney restaurants, shops, etc. If anything, blame the owners of the Winery. I doubt their economic position was made any worse off as a result of this move. Disney likely made a very nice offer for the property ---- supply and demand....


If Chase Bank buys the Beacon Theater from MSG and converts it into a banking location, would you still say "supply and demand"?



I don't think it's extreme to hope the character of a city be preserved for those who live there, rather than corporate headquarters. As the article states, Trinity Church, who has owned acres of Manhattan since they've been founded, owned the building and made the sale to Disney. City Winery is merely a tenant looking for a new home.

Hey, I'm all for free market too, but that doesn't mean billionaires replacing historic blocks of the city, where people live, with glass towers is great for the neighborhood. Granted, the West Side was a whole different story 15-20 years ago, but that doesn't mean it should be torn down now just because some idiot built a hotel a few blocks over.

I'm not saying the City Winery building is old Penn Station, but these historic buildings are what makes NYC great and are worth keeping around. It's a shame when they're gone.


If someone buys the Beacon and redevelops it, and unless I and a few hundred of my closest friends and family can muster up the dough to prevent that from happening, then yes I'll still call it supply and demand - no matter how bummed out that would make me. And it very much would.

I hear you on wanting to preserve the neighborhood, but to be completely fair, this building itself is nothing too special, at least to my amateur eyes. 2 stories of classic red brick with simple windows. No ornate lintels or caps. Maybe some cast iron storefront but nothing really decorative. A plain cornice that is probably copper but needs some serious TLC. I don't see anyone standing up to protect this or extend historic tax credits ( I think they do that in NYC? )

It figures that it's red - might as well be a big bullseye for developers.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2018 at 04:09 PM
This is a citywide issue. Many longtime iconic tenants are being pushed out by exorbitant rent increases. BB Kings and the soon to be closed Barneys clothing store are two examples. Many "historic" properties are being demolished and being replaced by modernized buildings all in the name of the almighty dollar. At one time it was even rumored that MSG was going to be booted because the owners couldn't maximize the value of the property with them as a tenant. But, honestly, if you owned the property wouldn't you want to maximize your bottom dollar? Just sayin'....

 

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  posted on 7/16/2018 at 08:02 AM
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At one time it was even rumored that MSG was going to be booted because the owners couldn't maximize the value of the property with them as a tenant.


That's interesting considering the construction of MSG and current Penn Station are what helped inspire preservation efforts in the 1960s.

And islalala, I hear ya, you can't preserve every building. Most 1-story buildings in NYC already have the space directly above them bought out by another real estate developer.

I didn't mean to start a debate on urban development and re-development, just that a popular venue was being displaced and the building was going to disappear. Most cities around the country were blighted in the 1970s, only to be reinvigorated in the past 15-20 years, so this isn't just a New York City thing. But NYC, due to its age and size, happens to have more historic buildings, so it's a little more magnified. Especially now that the pendulum has swung so far that storefront blight is from the rent being too damn high, rather than flight to the burbs. One of my favorite things about about living in NYC was the history, so it's a shame to see a building that has survived a century suddenly disappear.

 

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