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  posted on 2/10/2018 at 07:40 PM
Just a quick reminder that the new Clapton documentary premiers tonight at 9 PM on Showtime....I believe Showtime has a free streaming offering at present for those who don't subscribe.

From some of the interviews and Q & A's I've seen that Clapton and the producer participated in, it looks pretty entertaining and insightful into a pretty amazing life. A must see for any Clapton fan.

 
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  posted on 2/10/2018 at 08:19 PM
Thanks for the reminder!!!

 

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  posted on 2/11/2018 at 09:06 AM
Very good documentary I thought. I read Clapton's book several years ago and enjoyed it. Watching this last night it was made much clearer just how deep Clapton had sunk with his various substance issues. He of course details this in his book but actually seeing the footage of how far gone he was is quite sad, really.....

The footage of the Layla recordings and the Allman Brothers and Duane was pretty cool. Duane discussing the experience was interview footage I'd never heard previous.

Finally, seeing where Clapton is now in his life was touching as he has a beautiful and happy family and as he says, "What more could a man want?"

The documentary definitely gets two thumbs up from this casual fan...

 

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Very good documentary I thought. I read Clapton's book several years ago and enjoyed it. Watching this last night it was made much clearer just how deep Clapton had sunk with his various substance issues. He of course details this in his book but actually seeing the footage of how far gone he was is quite sad, really.....

The footage of the Layla recordings and the Allman Brothers and Duane was pretty cool. Duane discussing the experience was interview footage I'd never heard previous.

Finally, seeing where Clapton is now in his life was touching as he has a beautiful and happy family and as he says, "What more could a man want?"
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The documentary definitely gets two thumbs up from this casual fan...


Great little review! You made me want to see this.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2018 at 01:06 PM
Never knew that Eric Clapton recorded with Aretha Franklin until I saw Eric Clapton in Twelve Bars last night.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4W9xmeMfL0

 

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  posted on 2/11/2018 at 01:50 PM
this was a superb documentary.much more accessible and vivid than his book.

the Aretha clip was new to me-the backstory is cool and funny and the song speaks for itself.

the one moment that really took me by surprise was seeing Dylan's first time watching/listening to EC on tv and his reaction to hearing what was, at the time, an incredibly unique kind of sound.

the musical discussions of each phase of his work were fascinating & the early years and his obsession with blues and guitar were very cool.


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  posted on 2/11/2018 at 02:10 PM
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  posted on 2/11/2018 at 04:23 PM
Like Dylan said, I give it a "Wow". That alone was such cool outtake footage from "Don't Look Back". Amazingly thorough depiction of Clapton's life and career. And other great tidbits like the "Hendrix kiss", the Aretha session and all the home movie footage down through the eras. As mentioned earlier, visually seeing his on-going demise was much more powerful and unsettling than the story presented in his biography. Just as with Gregg his performing and quality of his life became so much better with sobriety, leading to a late career renaissance.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2018 at 04:41 PM
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Never knew that Eric Clapton recorded with Aretha Franklin until I saw Eric Clapton in Twelve Bars last night.

Good to Me as I Am to You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4W9xmeMfL0



Thanks for sharing this clip.....What a great performance all around. Aretha is amazing and watching her listen to this session in the studio while pacing slowly, then sitting, all while smoking a cigarette, was kind of mesmerizing.

Hearing now Clapton's full performance, I understand more what was probably going through her head. Just great playing and incredible how it fits so well in the song. Every thing about this tune is musicianship at its finest. And the recording quality is fantastic...

[Edited on 2/11/2018 by Chain]

 

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  posted on 2/11/2018 at 05:14 PM
Hi Effie!!!
Yeah, the Dylan clip, the EC - Jimi audio tape and EC saying he and Duane were "inseparable" for that time were hi lights for me..... Very deep personal stuff about his awful childhood experiences.... terrible stuff... But well done and definitely worth seeing.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2018 at 08:29 PM
Just finished watching this excellent documentary. Not that I'm any expert or anything but it was huge for me. The 50 Years ago documentary about Sgt Peppers was fantastic, too. Clapton and McCartney have always been around, haven't they? Anyway, a fantastic program - so forthcoming and honest to the bone. Clapton lays his life wide open. This would be something I hope everyone can see. Very rewarding.
 

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  posted on 2/12/2018 at 12:36 PM
GREAT! so far.
 

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  posted on 2/12/2018 at 02:22 PM
Saw the rest of it today, they left some things out worth mentioning: D&B & Friends [integral part of Eric being a frontman/solo artist] Death of Duane Allman, getting back with Cream in 2005, getting on stage with ABB at Beacon in 2009. I just thought those things should have been touched upon.
 

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  posted on 2/12/2018 at 04:16 PM
The left out a lot of things. I wouldn't expect the 2009 Beacon to be mentioned.

However, I don't think they mentioned Blind Faith by name, other than he was in a band with Steve Winwood. No mention of the return to the stage at the Rainbow Concert (which really ties into stories they were telling), Concert for Bangladesh, no talk about how him and George were able to remain friends despite the Patti Boyd situation.

That's just off the top of my head, there are tons more interesting topics that weren't even touched.

His is a story that can't be told in two hours. They would need a 3 or 4 part series to tell the whole story with any detail.

Sadly this doc was just good, it could have been great. It was more personal and not enough music for my taste, but I get it they wanted to tell a human interest story.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2018 at 08:34 PM
WERK - I agree with you....

 

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  posted on 2/13/2018 at 08:55 AM
Me too!

 

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  posted on 2/13/2018 at 11:54 AM
Tastefully done but incomplete . The Brothers and Dylan footage were eye opening. We definitely need a part 2 . Incredible that Eric has survived . Obviously he really wanted to live . I don't think the human body is sturdy enough to withstand the punishment Eric inflicted on himself. If he didn't want to live, the death of his son would have been the final straw. I often hear criticism of Eric's musical output since the early 70's . The fact that there was any production appears to be miraculous based on what we learned in the documentary . I went to Eric shows in the late 70's with Jamie Oldaker and George Terry in the band along with Muddy's band opening the shows. I don't recall witnessing any shows that were utter failures as the ones depicted in the doc. I always felt that seeing and listening to Eric was a privilege . Ultimately maybe he understood to a certain extent that he meant so much to so many is what kept him going through the difficult periods. My personal favorite later period albums were Journeyman and From The Cradle. There were always a few tunes on each of the other albums that resonated with me. His original formula of collaborating with other great singer/songwriter/ musicians is when his original music output was at it's peak.
 

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  posted on 2/13/2018 at 12:35 PM
While obviously there were some disaster shows in the late 70's I think it was a very rare occurrence. I think that was played up to a large degree in the documentary.

A great doc could be made of what was left off...or even just skimmed over.

Blind Faith
Concert For Bangladesh
His return to the stage for The Rainbow Concerts
His work as a sideman on the road and in the studio with George Harrison, Delaney & Bonnie and many others.
How hearing The Band and working with Delaney changed his direction
The Journeyman era and how that lead to him being the king of Royal Albert Hall
The Unplugged album and how it lead to the next surge in his popularity
From The Cradle
The influence of JJ Cale
The Cream reunion
Being the only 3 time inductee into the R&R Hall of Fame
His ongoing friendship with George Harrison even after the Pattie situation

So much to cover, so many people they could have interviewed. So many different angles to take.

There are 10 documentaries they could have done.

Imagine if someone tried to do a Beatles Anthology type doc on someone like Clapton or imagine a Bob Dylan one... if you could get Bob to open up.


 

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  posted on 2/13/2018 at 12:51 PM
I made the mistake of putting this one when I had a lot to do last night. I could not get away and watched the whole thing.

It was great to see all the home video and archival musical footage, that obviously was not part of the book and added quite a bit to the experience. In other ways, I enjoyed the fact that the book kept the timeline consistent, so you learned how Clapton experienced the music at the same time he told about his personal struggles, whereas the video time-shifted.

One tidbit I enjoyed from the book and missed from the video was about his starting to sing. That may have been during the D&B, and if so, as Pops mentioned, that would have been nice to include.

I can understand omission of the reunion and one-off shows, they could be stories by themselves, but at least his book mentioned the touring he did with Derek around 2006. Some sober touring history would help to end things on a nice positive note.

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I often hear criticism of Eric's musical output since the early 70's .


Don't think it had all that much to do with "output".... a lot of guitar players were more proficient, faster and most importantly, different. He is a Legend, no doubt....But I think too many other players were just, better. He was dead in the water until "Unplugged" brought him back into the mainstream, since then?....Longevity is the Man's calling card and may he rock on.

 

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  posted on 2/14/2018 at 07:07 AM
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I often hear criticism of Eric's musical output since the early 70's .


a lot of guitar players were more proficient, faster and most importantly, different. He is a Legend, no doubt....But I think too many other players were just, better. He was dead in the water until "Unplugged" brought him back into the mainstream, since then?....


"too many players were better"---your opinion, but i differ.When EC sat in with ABB,imo,he was the most talented guitarist on stage.It's all there in IMOER.

since Unplugged:

Cream reunion
great band with Doyle,etc.
tour with Derek
crossroads shows
EC/Winwood tour
sitting in with ABB
shows & albums with JJ Cale
& more

your observation of his work is way different that what i saw attending shows in each of those tours.



 

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  posted on 2/14/2018 at 08:40 AM
"He was dead in the water until "Unplugged" brought him back into the mainstream, since then?"


Clapton was definitely NOT dead in the water until Unplugged.

He did not really seem to have much mainstream success per se from the late 70s through early 80s. That was when he released "Backless," "Just One Night," "Another Ticket," and "Money & Cigarettes." He seemed to be coasting at that point.

However, from 1985-1990, he owned the FM airwaves. That was "Behind The Sun," "August," and "JourneyMan." A Cream fan might find those too glossy, but the mainstream couldn't get enough of Clapton. He put on a blistering set at Live Aid; Michelob pulled him in to do commercials; he was filling arenas. I saw him at that time and while the setlist might have looked just OK, he put some blistering guitar into every song and was singing better than ever. He was hot at the same time Robert Cray and Stevie Ray Vaughn were; the blues-guitar-happy mood at that time enabled the ABB to reunite.

He rode that wave of success into "MTV Unplugged," which was the peak of that commercial renaissance, and that enabled him to finally do his all-blues album in 1994.

I'll agree that since 1994, he has had few chart hits. On the other hand, since 1994, who of his generation HAS had a hit?

 

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  posted on 2/14/2018 at 09:31 AM
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I'll agree that since 1994, he has had few chart hits. On the other hand, since 1994, who of his generation HAS had a hit?


"Change the World" was a HUGE hit.

Also, as to his playing around that time, his take of "Don't Think Twice" from the Dylan Anniversary concert is some of my all-time favorite by him.

And, it's often overlooked, but I think his playing in the Wynton Marsalis standards live album is AWESOME. His tone is fantastic (reminds me of his Cream tone every time I listen), and his solos while all short are crisp and perfect. He's really, really good on that album.

And for a bit later on the down the road, he's great all over that Winwood album.

 

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  posted on 2/14/2018 at 02:27 PM
The Bobfest was 1992, I think, and "Change the World" was 1996.




It's a side question but an interesting topic - of all of the classic rock era artists, guys who are, let's say, 70 or older now, who is the last one to have a really big hit? Maybe Clapton with "Change the World" was the one.

 

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I often hear criticism of Eric's musical output since the early 70's .


a lot of guitar players were more proficient, faster and most importantly, different. He is a Legend, no doubt....But I think too many other players were just, better. He was dead in the water until "Unplugged" brought him back into the mainstream, since then?....


"too many players were better"---your opinion, but i differ.When EC sat in with ABB,imo,he was the most talented guitarist on stage.It's all there in IMOER.

since Unplugged:

Cream reunion
great band with Doyle,etc.
tour with Derek
crossroads shows
EC/Winwood tour
sitting in with ABB
shows & albums with JJ Cale
& more

your observation of his work is way different that what i saw attending shows in each of those tours.





This is a fun read and its all just everyone's opinion, including mine.

I certainly felt Clapton really shined on Stormy Monday etc when onstage with the ABB at the Beacon. He was in his sweet spot and just incredible. But on the more improve tunes like Dreams & Liz Reed I thought he took a definite back seat to Derek.

Blessed to have lived in the era of many iconic guitar players. I've enjoyed Eric immensely.

[Edited on 2/14/2018 by DeadMallard]

 
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