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  posted on 2/4/2018 at 02:02 PM
I saw a protest group today with signs Stand for America, PLEASE STAND ,and men in uniform and one of the organizers on the bullhorn saying Boycott the Super Bowl, don't watch it, to hell with Roger Goddell and the NFL, watch the Puppy Bowl instead.."

Here's why.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/roger-goodell-defends-nfls-refusal-of-ve teran-groups-ad-in-super-bowl-program/

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Tuesday defended the NFL's decision to refuse to approve an advertisement from American Veterans (AMVETS) that would have run in the Super Bowl program. The ad asked for donations to the organization that aims to "enhance and safeguard the entitlements" for individuals who have served in the U.S. military but it also included this message in large letters: "Please Stand."

"Please Stand" refers to those NFL players who took a knee during the national anthem to protest social injustice. President Trump routinely criticized these players during the season, even telling Alabama rallygoers in September, "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now. Out. He's fired. He's fired!"

In a letter sent earlier this month to Goodell, AMVETS national commander Marion Polk noted, via the Washington Post, that while his group was "well aware of the controversy surrounding players kneeling during the national anthem and the public relations problems this has caused the NFL, our ad is neither a demand nor a judgment upon those who choose to kneel."

According to Polk, the ad was "a simple, polite request that represents the sentiment of our membership, particularly those whose missing or paralyzed limbs preclude standing."

In response to Polk's letter, NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told the Post that the Super Bowl program "is designed for fans to commemorate and celebrate the game, players, teams and the Super Bowl." And that the league "has long supported the military and veterans and will again salute our service members in the Super Bowl with memorable on-field moments that will be televised as part of the game."

Meanwhile, in announcing the return of the XFL last week, Vince McMahon declared that every player will stand for the national anthem.


Remarks: Is it unreasonable to ask the players to stand during the national anthem?


[Edited on 2/4/2018 by gina]

 

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  posted on 2/4/2018 at 06:20 PM
Trump would like the players to stand for the National Anthem.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372256-trump-to-americans-on-sup er-bowl-sunday-stand-for-the-national-anthem


 

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  posted on 2/4/2018 at 06:27 PM
I'm not boycotting it, I'm just not going to watch it.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2018 at 11:31 PM
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Trump would like the players to stand for the National Anthem.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372256-trump-to-americans-on-sup er-bowl-sunday-stand-for-the-national-anthem





Who cares what trump wants?

To hell with that clown.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2018 at 06:10 AM
NFL boycott was always about race and nothing else.

If conservatives were so easily offended by so-called disrespect of veterans, given what he said about POW's on national TV during the campaign Trump would not be president.

Call it what it is. Racist.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2018 at 03:00 PM
Anyone, who boycotts NFL football because "trump" says they should, is a stone idiot.
 

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  posted on 2/5/2018 at 06:29 PM
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NFL boycott was always about race and nothing else.

If conservatives were so easily offended by so-called disrespect of veterans, given what he said about POW's on national TV during the campaign Trump would not be president.

Call it what it is. Racist.


Or, one might have the audacity to disagree and say it was about disrespectful behavior in regards to the Flag, especially if they witnessed their friends dying in defense of it.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2018 at 06:47 PM
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NFL boycott was always about race and nothing else.

If conservatives were so easily offended by so-called disrespect of veterans, given what he said about POW's on national TV during the campaign Trump would not be president.

Call it what it is. Racist.


Or, one might have the audacity to disagree and say it was about disrespectful behavior in regards to the Flag, especially if they witnessed their friends dying in defense of it.


What does the National Anthem have to do with the flag? Can you only play the NA if a flag is present? If a flag is present, do you have to play the NA?

 

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NFL boycott was always about race and nothing else.

If conservatives were so easily offended by so-called disrespect of veterans, given what he said about POW's on national TV during the campaign Trump would not be president.

Call it what it is. Racist.


Or, one might have the audacity to disagree and say it was about disrespectful behavior in regards to the Flag, especially if they witnessed their friends dying in defense of it.

Well it's all too common these days for rightists to cloak racism and bigotry within irrefutable type disguises like patriotism, family values, Christianity, respect for veterans, etc. So forgive my skepticism but fact is today's racists aren't that willing to admit they are scum, leaving the rest of us to figure it out for ourselves.

In this case though it's hard to miss the champions of the NFL boycott support other racially ignorant agendas too, such as the Muslim ban Trump called for.

Richard Spencer gets real defensive when you call him a racist. Always some righteous BS back story for what amounts to straight up racism. Just like the NFL boycott.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2018 at 09:25 PM
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NFL boycott was always about race and nothing else.

If conservatives were so easily offended by so-called disrespect of veterans, given what he said about POW's on national TV during the campaign Trump would not be president.

Call it what it is. Racist.


Or, one might have the audacity to disagree and say it was about disrespectful behavior in regards to the Flag, especially if they witnessed their friends dying in defense of it.


Did your friends die in defense of the flag? Or did they die in defense of the country and freedoms it represents, including freedom of speech?

[Edited on 2/6/2018 by 2112]

 

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“The Super Bowl game program is designed for fans to commemorate and celebrate the game, players, teams and the Super Bowl,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told USA TODAY Sports by email. “It’s never been a place for advertising that could be considered by some as a political statement. The NFL has long supported the military and veterans and will again salute our service members in the Super Bowl with memorable on-field moments that will be televised as part of the game.”


I've considered past advertising during the Super Bowl to be political, and they let those ads run.

But not this one. Can't promote showing respect for the American Flag.

Ratings were lowest since 2009.

I really don't care about the issue. I never stopped watching NFL. People can act however they see fit, and they will be judged on their actions or inactions, as we all are.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2018 at 02:01 AM
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What does the National Anthem have to do with the flag?


Ask a Veteran who has been under fire.

 

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Did your friends die in defense of the flag? Or did they die in defense of the country and freedoms it represents, including freedom of speech?


Both and good question giving my friends the earned right to their opinions without being called racist.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2018 at 08:37 AM
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Did your friends die in defense of the flag? Or did they die in defense of the country and freedoms it represents, including freedom of speech?


Both and good question giving my friends the earned right to their opinions without being called racist.


This right here is the issue at hand, conservatives mistakenly, sadly believe that some Americans have more rights than others.

And it completely escapes them that even those ungrateful black SOB's also have friends and family who served and died for this country.

Oh yes, it's rooted in racism. No doubt in my mind.



 

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NFL boycott was always about race and nothing else.

If conservatives were so easily offended by so-called disrespect of veterans, given what he said about POW's on national TV during the campaign Trump would not be president.

Call it what it is. Racist.


Or, one might have the audacity to disagree and say it was about disrespectful behavior in regards to the Flag, especially if they witnessed their friends dying in defense of it.


What does the National Anthem have to do with the flag? Can you only play the NA if a flag is present? If a flag is present, do you have to play the NA?


The flag represents the country and the values it was founded upon. The national anthem is a rembrance to those who fought to defend the flag and the new fledgling nation against the tyranny it stood up against when it became a nation. It is also homage to those who died defending the idea that people here in this land had a right to certain freedoms and protections. Those who refuse to stand up for freedom and the country are no better than the illegals who sneak in and just want to take whatever they can get. The people who have no intention or desire to become legal because they are just here to take the money and run back to some other land and live a higher standard of living there.

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[Edited on 2/6/2018 by gina]

 

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  posted on 2/7/2018 at 09:49 PM
I'd just like to add that some people have deep resentment towards flag burning as well.

While so many people like to boil everything down to race, I don't think it is that cut and dry. I would bet that many of the same people who hate seeing the American flag burned are also largely the same people who hate seeing people take a knee during our national anthem. Symbolism and patriotic respect still means something to some people and those feelings don't make them racists.


 

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  posted on 2/7/2018 at 09:53 PM
I remember when I was in middle school I wanted to make a jacket or sorts out of an American flag and my Dad said absolutely not.
 

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From gina:

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The flag represents the country and the values it was founded upon. The national anthem is a rembrance to those who fought to defend the flag and the new fledgling nation against the tyranny it stood up against when it became a nation. It is also homage to those who died defending the idea that people here in this land had a right to certain freedoms and protections.



So what values? Slavery? Freedoms and protections? So you think it is ok that blacks are killed by cops for little to no reason? That is what they are protesting - those values and freedoms and protections are also supposed to apply to them..... but it sure doesn't feel like it to them.......

 

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Did your friends die in defense of the flag? Or did they die in defense of the country and freedoms it represents, including freedom of speech?


Both and good question giving my friends the earned right to their opinions without being called racist.


This right here is the issue at hand, conservatives mistakenly, sadly believe that some Americans have more rights than others.

And it completely escapes them that even those ungrateful black SOB's also have friends and family who served and died for this country.

Oh yes, it's rooted in racism. No doubt in my mind.


Disagree with the left, express a dissenting opinion and you are ignorant, a racist or a bigot. This is exactly why President Trump is in the White House, people just got sick of the agenda. Preach tolerance, but don't practice it.





 

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Did your friends die in defense of the flag? Or did they die in defense of the country and freedoms it represents, including freedom of speech?


Both and good question giving my friends the earned right to their opinions without being called racist.


This right here is the issue at hand, conservatives mistakenly, sadly believe that some Americans have more rights than others.

And it completely escapes them that even those ungrateful black SOB's also have friends and family who served and died for this country.

Oh yes, it's rooted in racism. No doubt in my mind.


Disagree with the left, express a dissenting opinion and you are ignorant, a racist or a bigot. This is exactly why President Trump is in the White House, people just got sick of the agenda. Preach tolerance, but don't practice it.



For me personally I just know racism when I see it and tired of giving ignorant people the benefit of the doubt.

This topic is about black athletes and their right to peaceful protest violent treatment of black people by law enforcement. This IS a race issue.

If you're tired of being called a racist, change.

And yes I'm quite aware that Trump was hoisted into power by racists tired of "political correctness". The right's revenge for having to endure a Negro president for 8 long years.

I am intolerant of racism and racist idiots, yes you better believe it.

[Edited on 2/8/2018 by LeafontheWind]

 

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Did your friends die in defense of the flag? Or did they die in defense of the country and freedoms it represents, including freedom of speech?


Both and good question giving my friends the earned right to their opinions without being called racist.


This right here is the issue at hand, conservatives mistakenly, sadly believe that some Americans have more rights than others.

And it completely escapes them that even those ungrateful black SOB's also have friends and family who served and died for this country.

Oh yes, it's rooted in racism. No doubt in my mind.


Disagree with the left, express a dissenting opinion and you are ignorant, a racist or a bigot. This is exactly why President Trump is in the White House, people just got sick of the agenda. Preach tolerance, but don't practice it.





So is the same dissenting opinion you reference afforded to the football players who choose to take a knee. If not, then is a dissenting opinion only a one way street?

One could easily flip your own words and reach an equivalency. For example - "Disagree with the right, express a dissenting opinion and you are ignorant, intolerant, or not patriotic".

It is not a singular theory why Trump got elected.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2018 at 12:51 PM
It's so easy to start out by saying

"I respect the player's right to peaceful protest, but..."

or

"I acknowledge there's a big problem with police violence in the black community, but..."

But you never hear the rightists express any sort of empathy or understanding, not even a little, despite veterans having fought for the right to peaceful protest, LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for ALL AMERICANS.

You never hear any of that. Not even from the POTUS (not that we expect much of him).

It's not hard to read between the lines.

 

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Those who refuse to stand up for freedom and the country are no better than the illegals who sneak in and just want to take whatever they can get.


Worst statement you've ever made, and that's saying something.

 

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Those who refuse to stand up for freedom and the country are no better than the illegals who sneak in and just want to take whatever they can get.


Worst statement you've ever made, and that's saying something.


She's a bad joke that's been around way too long.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2018 at 02:08 PM
Why do racists and fascists get so upset and sensitive and all defensive when they are called on it?

Doesn't bother me at all when folks accuse me of what I am.

 

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