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  posted on 8/15/2017 at 11:34 AM
http://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Crosby-Talent-not-politics-behind-Nu gent-s-11820131.php

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  posted on 8/15/2017 at 11:42 AM
I'd half agree.

For the most part, Ted Nugent served up typical cock rock, treading ground already better covered by, say, Mountain or, later, Aerosmith (I think "Hey Baby" coulda been an Aero outtake). Foghat probably won't get in for the same reason.

On the other hand, they have inducted lesser musicians.

 

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  posted on 8/15/2017 at 11:43 AM
Hey, I have seen Ted a handful of times, because, especially in my younger days, but even now, I like loud, hard guitars. Along the way, i found quite a few guitarist who demonstrated far more interesting playing and much more skill. Is he HOF qualified? I would say no............Peace............joe
 

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  posted on 8/15/2017 at 11:45 AM
Hell, Little Feat, Bad Co., and Tower of Power are still not in??? screw ted.
 

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I think a solid comparison/ contrast could be made between Ted and Johnny Winter, as players who hit the scene around the same time and were both blues rock, though obviously Johnny more blues.

Johnny is not in the hall. I'd put him in before Ted by far.

 

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I would give Johnny Winter serious consideration for RRHOF. I enjoy a few Nugent tunes, but no to induction IMO.


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I think a solid comparison/ contrast could be made between Ted and Johnny Winter, as players who hit the scene around the same time and were both blues rock, though obviously Johnny more blues.

Johnny is not in the hall. I'd put him in before Ted by far.

 

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  posted on 8/15/2017 at 02:12 PM
Crosby is 100% correct. Ted Nugent just ain't good enough. I'm surprised it was ever considered.

 

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  posted on 8/15/2017 at 03:24 PM
Probably his biggest hit is "Stranglehold" which consists of an idiotic riff that goes on forever moronically. Draft-dodging chicken hawk faux patriot sack of pus.

 

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  posted on 8/15/2017 at 06:49 PM
I'm with Croz 100% on this. Ted Nuisance has NO business in The Hall.

 

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  posted on 8/15/2017 at 06:54 PM
Regardless of your opinion of Ted's political view points,I am not sure I would let that impair my judgement on his music. He played big loud aggressive guitar rock, like a lot of bands have done. People have every right not like that style of music, which is fine. Our ears like different things. I can name plenty of bands that are very popular and in the RNRHOF that I could care less if I ever heard another song from. I may not have the same view point as a lot of liberal musicians like Crosby ,but I am not gonna come down on his music. I dig CSNY quite abit and enjoy what they have brought to the world of music

Does he belong in the hall? I dont know and really dont care. RNRHOF means nothing to me. Ted has his opinion on it and so does DC. Both entitled to it whether we believe right or wrong.

You may not like his style of music, but that does not mean it stinks or he is a poor musician. Yeah he may not be quiet as elaborate in his playing such as Dickey,Warren,Duane,Clapton ,Derek and etc. I can name other guitar players who are not that flashy as others,would that mean they are inadequate? No, just a different style of music.

Ted as well as Crosby both had very successful careers, like them or not. Just different music and political viewpoints.

 

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  posted on 8/15/2017 at 07:10 PM
The R'nR HOF induction IS based on opinion though.
 

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  posted on 8/15/2017 at 08:52 PM
let's see grand funk railroad get in.
poco too.
james gang maybe.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2017 at 11:51 AM
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let's see grand funk railroad get in.


Another severe oversight, just like Deep Purple was up until last year. Funk should have been in 25 or 30 years ago. From 1970-75 they were right up there with Zep, Stones, Purple, Floyd and Sabbath as one of the biggest bands in the world. Drummer Don Brewer has admitted they were a garage band; they weren't as polished as the bands I just named. That shouldn't matter because they were HUGE, and their live performances in the early days were nothing short of incendiary.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2017 at 01:27 PM
Kinda bugs me that David Crosby even gives a crap about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Really thought he would be above that kind of commercial bs. Guess not.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2017 at 03:51 PM
The NRA Hall of Fame = yes

Rock n Roll HOF = no

 

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  posted on 8/16/2017 at 04:48 PM
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Probably his biggest hit is "Stranglehold" which consists of an idiotic riff that goes on forever moronically. Draft-dodging chicken hawk faux patriot sack of pus.


You mean a simple, repetitive, hypnotic riff like Dreams? Draft dodger? Are we still talking Ted or Gregg now?

I always loved that Ted debate on the site of a guy who shot himself not to go. LOL

Without a doubt, Ted has been the most discussed musician that is not ABB related on this site over the years. Must be doing something right or wrong and that seems to depend on political siding. I have always just seen a guy who is great at manipulating the media/people to keep his name around. Done a hell of a job at that. Like WWE, just lots of rambling and promo. Why anyone cares about his opinions? Beyond me but so many do whether they are willing to admit it or not.

I have always had the belief that a HOF should be the elite and there are already too many in. No HOF for Ted but I would say the same about many acts that are already in or that people would like in.

Case in point - Grand Funk - no longevity, sales and remembered mostly for a couple of radio staples. If you had a Grand Funk Reunion tomorrow, they would play bars and small theaters at best. Does that deserve to be along side a Rolling Stones or Beatles?

Not trying to pick on Grand Funk - I like them too. They were just mentioned but are a great example.

Not every guy that bats 300 for a season gets in the Baseball HOF.

As for Crosby, with his history I would be casting too many stones.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2017 at 05:33 PM
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Draft dodger? Are we still talking Ted or Gregg now?


That's not much of a parallel. Gregg sang, "People can you feel it. Love is everywhere". Yeah, I know, Dickey wrote it but Gregg sang it. Or how about "After all the war freaks die off, leavin' us alone." That IS Gregg's tune.
Nugent on the other hand is a gun-toting Right Wing extremist. Kind of hypocritical to be avoiding the draft, wouldn't you say, James? Ever hear any Peace and Love stuff coming from Ted?

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Case in point - Grand Funk - no longevity, sales and remembered mostly for a couple of radio staples.


BS Man. They sold a LOT of records back in the day. Longevity? I'll give you that one. Did that tarnish Hendrix or Joplin's legacy? No, I'm not comparing Grand Funk to either, they were not on that level. But both Hendrix and Joplin had 3 or 4 year careers. The Doors and Creedence Clearwater Revival, not much more.

If you were at The Forum in L.A. in 1971 like I was, you just might understand. My first show.........I have NEVER forgotten the excitement and I never will. The crowd shook Shea Stadium so badly at a GF show in the early 70's that someone called a structural engineer they were so scared.

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If you had a Grand Funk Reunion tomorrow, they would play bars and small theaters at best. Does that deserve to be along side a Rolling Stones or Beatles?


Now you're getting preposterous. You could make an argument that no one other than The Beatles or The Stone deserve to be in the Hall, because most would agree that those are the two greatest rock and roll bands of all time.

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  posted on 8/16/2017 at 06:26 PM
Nugent was the only rock musician to ever specifically call out the white man's historical failure in a song. Never heard Crosby do that.

In Great White Buffalo he refers to the white man as "white dogs", and as far as I have heard it is the only song to celebrate Native American spirituality and prophecy. Great number! And btw Stranglehold rocks!

The Great White Buffalo

Well, listen everybody,
To what I got to say.
There's hope for tomorrow,
Ooh,we're workin' on today.
Well, it happened long time ago,
In the new magic land.
The Indian and the buffalo,
They existed hand in hand

The Indians, they needed some food,
And some skins for a roof.
They only took what they needed, baby.
Millions of buffalo were the proof, yeah.

But then came the white dogs,
With their thick and empty heads.
They couldn't see past the billfold.
They wanted all the buffalo dead.
Everything was so sad.


When I looked above the canyon wall,
Some strong eyes did I see.
I think its somebody comin' around
To save my ass, baby.
I think, I think he's comin' around
To save you and me.

Boys
I said, above the canyon wall
Strong eyes did glow.
It was the leader of the land, baby.
Oh my God!
The great white buffalo
Look out! Look out!

Well, he got the battered herd.
He led 'em cross the land.
With the great white buffalo,
They gonna make a final stand.
The great white buffalo,
Comin' around to make a final stand.
Well, look out here he comes.
The great white buffalo, baby.
The great white buffalo
Look out, here he comes.
He's doin' all right.
Makin' everything all right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah

Songwriters: T. NUGENT

 

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  posted on 8/16/2017 at 06:59 PM
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Kind of hypocritical to be avoiding the draft, wouldn't you say, James?


Just as it is hypocritical to excuse one draft dodger and not another. Regardless of what anyone sang, they had the exact same motive. Regardless of silly fabricated stories of piss and **** , I would definitely **** myself before shooting myself.

I find it funny that people are critical of a draft dodger on the ABB forum. You don't have to.

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No, I'm not comparing Grand Funk to either, they were not on that level.


My point exactly. They are on a higher HOF worthy level.

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Now you're getting preposterous. You could make an argument that no one other than The Beatles or The Stone deserve to be in the Hall, because most would agree that those are the two greatest rock and roll bands of all time.



Just as every other HOF have people that were the greatest of all time. Then they have the very elite, those that have surpassed all others and accomplished feats average players didn't. You find that preposterous? Would you say that Grand Funk were elite? Highest level? Well based on sales, material, longevity, influence, concert attendance and any other conceivable stat........there are countless artists above them. Your criteria for their entry is that they kicked your ass at the Forum in 72. And maybe your method is as valid as the actual HOF methods of induction.

Simply Put - I think there are too many people already in who do not deserve it. Just my opinion. For all I really care - let them all in the HOF.

But that only detracts from the concept and doesn't show proper respect to those deserving. Baseball does a pretty decent job of trying to accomplish what I am talking about.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2017 at 07:36 PM
I think Grand Funk probably spawned more garage bands than any other band in the 70's.......mostly because garage bands could play their stuff...........it wasn't real complex, but that was part of the appeal..............the whole thing was this primal raw energy that they had as a trio. Not only that, they could PLAY. Mark Farner was and still is an excellent guitar player with a superb rock and roll voice. Mel Schacher was an absolute virtuoso bassist. When they added Hammond organ later they were still a very, very tight band. They played very, VERY loud, and I mean earsplitting volume, especially that first show when they were still a trio.

Either you get it or you don't.............I certainly did and still do. And that show in '71 was only the first of three times I saw them, and all at The Forum (The Lakers' venue at the time). They always delivered the goods.

 

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Well based on sales, material, longevity, influence, concert attendance and any other conceivable stat........there are countless artists above them.


Again, gotta call COMPLETE BS on this.

Concert attendance? REALLY? Hell, they played The Atlanta Pop Festival twice that I know of, one was in 1970 and guess who else was on that bill? ABB. GF's performance was immortalized on the double disc, "Grand Funk Live Album". They were regularly filling baseball stadiums in the early 70's..........I already mentioned Shea but I guess you must have missed that. I don't have record sales figures but I'm not the one saying these things either...........I know damn well they were HUGE record sellers in the early 70's. I'm going to go on-line right now and see what I can find.

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  posted on 8/16/2017 at 07:46 PM
I like them and saw them also. Along with hundreds of other bands but I don't put all of them in either.

I have the Grand Funk albums and like them just fine. I say the same about many bands like Jethro Tull for instance. I have EVERY album and have seen them well over 20 times. I would not put them in the HOF. A personal favorite but not elite.

Would I put them in ahead of many that are in now? In a second but as I say -- there are many undeserving acts in already. So let them all in.

Perhaps baseball should induct the entire lineup of every team that wins a World Series. They were really great for that one year after all.

Rob - if they need my vote to decide if Grand Funk gets in - I will say yes just for you.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2017 at 07:48 PM
i never even get the draft dodging thing about ted. its online for all to see that he got a student deferment and the college already certified that nugent was enrolled in classes but would not comment on his grades or if he even attended the classes.

jim morrison and john densmore dodged the draft and no one ever says anything about them.


as far as nugent and the nra and toting guns. he hunts and wants to protect himself. that has nothing to do with wanting to go and purposely kill other human beings or want to see the ravages of war

 

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Rob - if they need my vote to decide if Grand Funk gets in - I will say yes just for you.


I'm considering becoming an attorney now............

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Funk_Railroad

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In 1970, Knight launched an intensive advertising campaign to promote the album Closer to Home. That album was certified multiplatinum despite a lack of critical approval.


Did you read that correctly? MULTIPLATINUM. Not gold.........

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By 1971, Grand Funk equaled the Beatles' Shea Stadium attendance record, but sold out the venue in just 72 hours whereas the Beatles concert took a few weeks to sell out.[6] Following Closer to Home, Live Album was also released in 1970, and was another gold disc recipient.[4] Survival and E Pluribus Funk were both released in 1971. E Pluribus Funk celebrated the Shea Stadium show with an embossed depiction of the stadium on the album cover's reverse.


I can't imagine what I really need to add to this.................


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