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  posted on 7/8/2018 at 09:10 AM
This is going down hill fast.

Even Fox had this headline:

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North Korea says denuclearization talks with Pompeo 'regrettable'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/07/north-korea-says-denuclearizatio n-talks-with-pompeo-regrettable.html



Nothing is different with these people.

For me, not most of you I suppose, the surprising thing is how quickly we are learning that North Korea doesn't want to denuclearize, they aren't even trying to hide it. It's like Singapore was just a month ago!

Pompeo is trying to keep a happy face on this, but certainly looks like he and Trump instead have egg on their face. There is still a possibility of a breakthrough here, but the North Koreans have to be willing to do it. All signs I am seeing appear not.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2018 at 04:02 PM
Cause to be concerned for sure.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2018 at 05:46 PM
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This is going down hill fast.

Even Fox had this headline:

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North Korea says denuclearization talks with Pompeo 'regrettable'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/07/north-korea-says-denuclearizatio n-talks-with-pompeo-regrettable.html



Nothing is different with these people.

For me, not most of you I suppose, the surprising thing is how quickly we are learning that North Korea doesn't want to denuclearize, they aren't even trying to hide it. It's like Singapore was just a month ago!

Pompeo is trying to keep a happy face on this, but certainly looks like he and Trump instead have egg on their face. There is still a possibility of a breakthrough here, but the North Koreans have to be willing to do it. All signs I am seeing appear not.

This should surprise no one. NK has a history of actions like this. This was a major public relations jackpot for KJU, and it appears that Trump swallowed plenty. We give up military exercises in SK, and Trump thinks he can trust NK. What did the world get that's tangible in return? Unless things change, it appears Trump got played after heaping plenty of accolades on KJU, a brutal dictator and murder.

And speaking of brutal dictators and murders, Trump will meet one on one with Putin with only interpreters in the room. Malcom Nance refers to Putin as Trump's mentor. Who knows what Trump will give away, say, or do behind closed doors with a KGB Agent?

Is there a pattern here? Trump likes to hang with dictators and turn his back on our real allies all the while reaping havoc with tariffs and trade wars? What an astute guy we have pretending to be president.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2018 at 07:01 PM
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This should surprise no one. NK has a history of actions like this. This was a major public relations jackpot for KJU, and it appears that Trump swallowed plenty. We give up military exercises in SK, and Trump thinks he can trust NK. What did the world get that's tangible in return? Unless things change, it appears Trump got played after heaping plenty of accolades on KJU, a brutal dictator and murder.

And speaking of brutal dictators and murders, Trump will meet one on one with Putin with only interpreters in the room. Malcom Nance refers to Putin as Trump's mentor. Who knows what Trump will give away, say, or do behind closed doors with a KGB Agent?

Is there a pattern here? Trump likes to hang with dictators and turn his back on our real allies all the while reaping havoc with tariffs and trade wars? What an astute guy we have pretending to be president.



You are right in the fact that it is not a surprise on face, just to me how soon and how blatantly they thumb their nose at us.

US President taking this meeting/summit, I think that is fine and good and we would've been wrong to turn it down.

But the result is extremely disappointing. I mean, I don't care what North Korea or anyone thinks they got out of it. That is inconsequential to the big picture issue at hand. The US and indeed the world at large lost. Maybe partially due to the Trump administration's mishandling, and certainly due to the NK's unwillingness to do what I think just about everyone on this earth thinks they need to do.

Here is the 64,000 question at hand...can the sanctions that were in place before be reinstated to the same extent effectively to cripple the regime as previously thought? And what next? If we could just nuke that place to oblivion and never think about them again that would be ideal. Unfortunately ideal isn't reality. So the question remains as it did in my original post, like Trump, hate Trump...North Korea, what should be done?

 

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  posted on 7/9/2018 at 08:43 PM
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If we could just nuke that place to oblivion and never think about them again that would be ideal. Unfortunately ideal isn't reality. So the question remains as it did in my original post


LOL, Thats funny. yes and i know you were kidding but its still funny.

 

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  posted on 7/10/2018 at 07:31 AM
What would happen after a nuclear strike on North Korea is what in my mind creates more and different problems. I certainly don't want radiation spreading to South Korea and certainly don't want a pissed off China to lash back.

But yeah, we would all just want to sweep North Korea under the rug. It is easy to just pretend they aren't there, it seems that at some times that has in fact been US policy towards NK. But we can't get rid of them and can't pretend they don;t exist. If they never do anything and just build and keep a nuclear arsenal then that alone we could live with I suppose. It is the unknown of what they will do with them and who they may already be and who they will share them with that causes concern.

Here is what I think the biggest failure of Trump's North Korea situation is going to be. If the continued sanctions actually had a strangling effect and were working in a real way that we reached a tipping point. And in that tipping point NK utilized the summit to gain sanction enforcement relief from China or Russia and now if those same sanctions can't be reinstated and enforced the same way they were before. It certainly seems like NK gained some breathing room and that was their whole intention all along.

The problem has persisted for past Presidents and unfortunately it is going to continue for future Presidents. Trump needs to stop his victory lap on this. One should never give up hope that something for the better can change, but again, both sides have to want the change. It takes two to tango so they say. Trump is dancing with himself.

 

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  posted on 7/10/2018 at 09:59 AM
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What would happen after a nuclear strike on North Korea is what in my mind creates more and different problems. I certainly don't want radiation spreading to South Korea and certainly don't want a pissed off China to lash back.


Not to mention the wholesale slaughter of millions of noncombatants.

 

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  posted on 7/10/2018 at 12:09 PM
I just hope that Trumps giant ego don’t lead this country into a mess with NK. Is there really a “fire and fury” option?

 

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  posted on 7/10/2018 at 06:39 PM
Atleast at this point Trump is keeping faith in Kim and instead blaming China.

Here is a rundown of where things are at:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/07/10/asia-pacific/politics-diplomac y-asia-pacific/trump-calls-summit-statement-north-koreas-kim-contract-sugge sts-china-may-interfering-nuclear-talks/#.W0VB5sKQzX4

 

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  posted on 7/10/2018 at 07:15 PM
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Atleast at this point Trump is keeping faith in Kim and instead blaming China.

Here is a rundown of where things are at:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/07/10/asia-pacific/politics-diplomac y-asia-pacific/trump-calls-summit-statement-north-koreas-kim-contract-sugge sts-china-may-interfering-nuclear-talks/#.W0VB5sKQzX4


And that is exactly what Trump always does - blames others. Usually his target is Obama...so refreshing to see he's changing things up to blame China. Never are failures of his own making.

As far as keeping faith in KJU - Trump is a fool to believe anything that comes out of the mouth of KJU. Until NK shows us proof with verifiable evidence, then Trump's public relations journey was that - a public relations stunt to hang out with a fellow autocrat.

 

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  posted on 7/11/2018 at 08:37 AM
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It is the unknown of what they will do with them and who they may already be and who they will share them with that causes concern.


The only way to truly be taken as a serious player on the world stage is to be a nuclear power.

If you are a serious player and you force the world to respect you, everything else falls into line.

In the case of the last cult of personlaity on Earth, Kim can retain the iron grip he has on his people simply because the rest of the world now can't do a damn thing about it, and the President of the United States just went and legitimized the whole thing.

The threat of nuclear weapons has the same power it has had for 70 years. North Korea won't be firing any ICBMs at anyone else. The threat of knowing they can is enough.

 

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  posted on 7/11/2018 at 08:22 PM
Where are Mule and Goober? They seemed to have disappeared.
 

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  posted on 7/12/2018 at 01:30 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/north-korea-us-soldier-remains/inde x.html

 

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  posted on 7/12/2018 at 09:46 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/north-korea-us-soldier-remain s/index.html


Trump had been saying for weeks that we have gotten remains. Since it is impossible he could be so uninformed, clearly it is a blatant lie. Atleast Pompeo acknowledged the US had not received any at his Senate testimony.

All while Trump and Kim talk nice about each other and nothing positive towards denuclearization has happened and China and Russia are failing to enforce sanctions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-trump -letter-nuclear.html

It could be understandable that this would be a drawn out process, despite what the President likes to say. And it could be understandable the details are difficult to work out. But nothing that is actually happening is trending the right way on this.

 
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