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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 12:43 PM
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/ethics-experts-file-suit-trump- volating-constitution-emoluments-clause
 
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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 01:15 PM
Wish I had a dollar for every lawsuit filed against Trump for the next 4 years.....
 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 02:29 PM
But since his dealings came before he was elected, what's the violation?
 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 02:41 PM
All the money taken in since he took the oath plus all future money coming

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 03:56 PM
What about him signing it all over to his sons before he took oath?
 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 04:11 PM
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What about him signing it all over to his sons before he took oath?
means nothing, he is still profiting, he needs to completely divest. he won't take advise from experts because he "knows more than them".

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 05:26 PM
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What about him signing it all over to his sons before he took oath?
means nothing, he is still profiting, he needs to completely divest. he won't take advise from experts because he "knows more than them".


As I understand it he resigned his titled position, but retains ownership.

It's not even profiting, it's financing from foreign owned banks that his company(s) may or may not rely upon.

This is not a witch hunt or a gottcha. It's going to be very interesting to follow this story. Naturally the Trump side feels they have no legal issue. I would suspect he has a legal team that has overlooked the situation and they will have to defend their position and the other side will have to prove their position.

It was an avoidable problem. Trump believed he could proceed as he has and there will be legitimate legal challenges to that position. I don't know which side will emerge correct, but at any event it is a nonpartisan issue.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 05:51 PM
I'll return once again to the two ethics lawyers referenced in another thread. Both of these attorney's have stated multiple times that Trump could divest entirely by simply putting all his assets into a "Blind Trust" to be managed by an independent third party. All of which, despite his complicated array of LLC's, LLP's, Corporations, family trusts, etc. can be done with a ONE PAGE legal document.

The bogus press conference with the piles of documents that NO ONE was allowed to actually verify, is exactly that, a pile of documents.....Trump is yet again, lying through his ass that he won't take advantage of his time in the oval office to directly benefit he and his family financially. Anyone who can't see this for what it is is seriously delusional.

The guy truly lives in another world and seriously believes the rules don't apply to him.

[Edited on 1/23/2017 by Chain]

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 06:27 PM
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I'll return once again to the two ethics lawyers referenced in another thread. Both of these attorney's have stated multiple times that Trump could divest entirely by simply putting all his assets into a "Blind Trust" to be managed by an independent third party. All of which, despite his complicated array of LLC's, LLP's, Corporations, family trusts, etc. can be done with a ONE PAGE legal document.

The bogus press conference with the piles of documents that NO ONE was allowed to actually verify, is exactly that, a pile of documents.....Trump is yet again, lying through his ass that he won't take advantage of his time in the oval office to directly benefit he and his family financially. Anyone who can't see this for what it is is seriously delusional.

The guy truly lives in another world and seriously believes the rules don't apply to him.

[Edited on 1/23/2017 by Chain]


Your closing line says it all. Sadly the voters that put him there live in a totally different world but believe he has their best interests at heart. Trump on the other hand probably sees the office of prez as 1) as an ego booster and 2) a means to indirectly expand his his financial empire by the ability to hide from ethics and conflicts.

The case against him is probably as much about attempting to force discovery of his data as it is about winning a court case.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 06:33 PM
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I'll return once again to the two ethics lawyers referenced in another thread. Both of these attorney's have stated multiple times that Trump could divest entirely by simply putting all his assets into a "Blind Trust" to be managed by an independent third party. All of which, despite his complicated array of LLC's, LLP's, Corporations, family trusts, etc. can be done with a ONE PAGE legal document.

The bogus press conference with the piles of documents that NO ONE was allowed to actually verify, is exactly that, a pile of documents.....Trump is yet again, lying through his ass that he won't take advantage of his time in the oval office to directly benefit he and his family financially. Anyone who can't see this for what it is is seriously delusional.

The guy truly lives in another world and seriously believes the rules don't apply to him.

[Edited on 1/23/2017 by Chain]


Your closing line says it all. Sadly the voters that put him there live in a totally different world but believe he has their best interests at heart. Trump on the other hand probably sees the office of prez as 1) as an ego booster and 2) a means to indirectly expand his his financial empire by the ability to hide from ethics and conflicts.

The case against him is probably as much about attempting to force discovery of his data as it is about winning a court case.


It's going to initially be hard for a plaintiff to prove they've been harmed, but yes, the root goal here is to get the information out and then more can go from there.

I voted for him. I am not defending him on this issue. It needs evaluated legally and I am happy they are doing it. If he is in violation he rightfully has whatever consequences come his way.

Part of what I voted for was the ego honestly. The fact that his ego is so large that he will want to have alot of success for the country. You may have a different view that is fine.

I had two choices of who was going to be elected President. Clinton or Trump. After voting Sanders in the primary I went Trump in the general. Sometimes I feel like I sold my soul to get something changed on the trade and outsourcing issue that I am very very focused on. Time will tell if that was a good choice or not. In the meantime, you won't find me trying to spin any violation of the emoluments clause. There is a legal process that can take place and see what is there.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 06:41 PM
Yeah his ego is large, and he talks a lot of sh!t about things he can't deliver. either he is naive and believes he can unilaterally bring change, or he lied to you, and knew all along he would not deliver?.

oops wrong thread!

[Edited on 1/23/2017 by pops42]

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 07:05 PM
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I'll return once again to the two ethics lawyers referenced in another thread. Both of these attorney's have stated multiple times that Trump could divest entirely by simply putting all his assets into a "Blind Trust" to be managed by an independent third party. All of which, despite his complicated array of LLC's, LLP's, Corporations, family trusts, etc. can be done with a ONE PAGE legal document.

The bogus press conference with the piles of documents that NO ONE was allowed to actually verify, is exactly that, a pile of documents.....Trump is yet again, lying through his ass that he won't take advantage of his time in the oval office to directly benefit he and his family financially. Anyone who can't see this for what it is is seriously delusional.

The guy truly lives in another world and seriously believes the rules don't apply to him.

[Edited on 1/23/2017 by Chain]


Your closing line says it all. Sadly the voters that put him there live in a totally different world but believe he has their best interests at heart. Trump on the other hand probably sees the office of prez as 1) as an ego booster and 2) a means to indirectly expand his his financial empire by the ability to hide from ethics and conflicts.

The case against him is probably as much about attempting to force discovery of his data as it is about winning a court case.


It's going to initially be hard for a plaintiff to prove they've been harmed, but yes, the root goal here is to get the information out and then more can go from there.

I voted for him. I am not defending him on this issue. It needs evaluated legally and I am happy they are doing it. If he is in violation he rightfully has whatever consequences come his way.

Part of what I voted for was the ego honestly. The fact that his ego is so large that he will want to have alot of success for the country. You may have a different view that is fine.

I had two choices of who was going to be elected President. Clinton or Trump. After voting Sanders in the primary I went Trump in the general. Sometimes I feel like I sold my soul to get something changed on the trade and outsourcing issue that I am very very focused on. Time will tell if that was a good choice or not. In the meantime, you won't find me trying to spin any violation of the emoluments clause. There is a legal process that can take place and see what is there.


I respect your honesty, Neb....I actually hope Trump is successful on some issues and while I didn't vote for him, I do agree with some things he has professed in his campaign. The problem for me is he simply can not be trusted and I believe everything is self-serving.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 08:32 PM
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I'll return once again to the two ethics lawyers referenced in another thread. Both of these attorney's have stated multiple times that Trump could divest entirely by simply putting all his assets into a "Blind Trust" to be managed by an independent third party. All of which, despite his complicated array of LLC's, LLP's, Corporations, family trusts, etc. can be done with a ONE PAGE legal document.

The bogus press conference with the piles of documents that NO ONE was allowed to actually verify, is exactly that, a pile of documents.....Trump is yet again, lying through his ass that he won't take advantage of his time in the oval office to directly benefit he and his family financially. Anyone who can't see this for what it is is seriously delusional.

The guy truly lives in another world and seriously believes the rules don't apply to him.

[Edited on 1/23/2017 by Chain]


Your closing line says it all. Sadly the voters that put him there live in a totally different world but believe he has their best interests at heart. Trump on the other hand probably sees the office of prez as 1) as an ego booster and 2) a means to indirectly expand his his financial empire by the ability to hide from ethics and conflicts.

The case against him is probably as much about attempting to force discovery of his data as it is about winning a court case.


It's going to initially be hard for a plaintiff to prove they've been harmed, but yes, the root goal here is to get the information out and then more can go from there.

I voted for him. I am not defending him on this issue. It needs evaluated legally and I am happy they are doing it. If he is in violation he rightfully has whatever consequences come his way.

Part of what I voted for was the ego honestly. The fact that his ego is so large that he will want to have alot of success for the country. You may have a different view that is fine.

I had two choices of who was going to be elected President. Clinton or Trump. After voting Sanders in the primary I went Trump in the general. Sometimes I feel like I sold my soul to get something changed on the trade and outsourcing issue that I am very very focused on. Time will tell if that was a good choice or not. In the meantime, you won't find me trying to spin any violation of the emoluments clause. There is a legal process that can take place and see what is there.


I respect your honesty, Neb....I actually hope Trump is successful on some issues and while I didn't vote for him, I do agree with some things he has professed in his campaign. The problem for me is he simply can not be trusted and I believe everything is self-serving.


I going to X2 you on what you said, Chain. As much as he repulses me, we have to pull for him because we, as a country will do better if he succeeds. We can't hope for failure, but he seems to be very capable of doing himself and us in if he doesn't learn to work with people instead of looking for the next battle.

He's got to get beyond the petty things that his ego seems to thrive on - example: crowd sizes and the lies that he perpetrated. Instead, he needs to learn governance and how to work with people. Just because he could cut real estate deals does not mean that he walks in as a "qualified" and "skilled" world leader. The title that goes with his job doesn't correlate to skill by definition.

He seems to still be living in campaign mode. Maybe that's where he thrives? Somebody please tell him he won and try to start acting presidential. His talk this past weekend to the CIA was despicable. It was self aggrandizing. Move on, Donald. Work for the greater good of all the people. You won...we get it.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 09:15 PM
Citizens For Responsibility And Ethics In Washington is a far-left activist organization.
Hardly "Ethics Experts" and more like a political action crew.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 10:01 PM
i still withhold judgement for results.....which will take months to see

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 10:07 PM
Yes, if you believe in responsibility and ethics, you must be a leftist.
 

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  posted on 1/24/2017 at 01:30 AM
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Yes, if you believe in responsibility and ethics, you must be a leftist.


I was getting ready to say the same thing. That's a Democrat hallmark. That along with accountability, responsibility, ethics.

Issues and not personalities, level headed-debates, tolerance of opposing views.............peaceful protests.

You name it!

 

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  posted on 1/24/2017 at 01:33 AM
Non-paid, true, grass-roots activism....

Another one!

 

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  posted on 1/24/2017 at 09:18 AM
Naturally those with an unfavorable view of Trump are drawn to this issue and lawsuit, but that doesn't mean it is without merit.

Trump can prove that he is complying and not violating the constitution. Prosecutors can have their say to the contrary.

I mean for all the people that said "Obama is trashing the Constitution", to whatever degree that was or wasn't true...here with Trump there appears to be a conflict that he could've or should've seen coming. Many do not feel his actions taken to separate himself have legally gone far enough.

This needs room for exploration. Of course Trump and his administration is going to think they are in the right, but I don't think that means that his supporters have to fall in line and discredit these claims, doing so may just be detrimental to your reputation. I say, pick and choose your battles and acknowledge the other side may have a point when it appears your position may be on thin ice.

 
 


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