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  posted on 12/29/2016 at 05:58 PM
Hey can any college football fans tell me what is the deal with every Bowl Game being played pretty much, in an empty stadium??? I would think, if they charged $25 a ticket, You could get enough Dads with a Son, at least have 30,000 people or so? I have always watched all the Bowl games i can, from whai i can see these places is empty!! I been to a lot of regular season collegiate games, they have always been very well attended, but never a Bowl..............Peace To Everybody.........joe
 
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  posted on 12/30/2016 at 09:07 AM
Bowl games are almost made for TV events. 40 games this year, I think 38 of them are on ESPN. ESPN creates the bowl games so they have programming for their network and can charge the ad revenue commercials and sponsors generate for them.

I think there are alot of problems with bowl attendance. First, some of them are attended very well. The Alamo last night for example. The Belk Bowl in Charlotte was an acceptable attendance for a mid-tier bowl. The Foster Farms bowl in the 49er stadium between Indiana and Utah was one of the worst crowds I've seen for P5 teams.

So I think the problems are the time of year it is...holidays, alot going on, alot of other things to spend money on. 2) the time of day some of the bowls start...if you are a local fan of nobody and just want to go for some entertainment, if the game starts at 2:00 on a work day that is a problem. 3) a lot of bowls just do not generate the excitement among the fan base that regular season games do. Unless you are in a historically strong bowl game vs a historically strong team or geographical rival, many fans just do not have interest in going. 4) location of the bowl for the fans - take that Foster Farms bowl for Indiana to travel all the way to California...IU has poor home attendance to begin with, but now you are talking about plane tickets, hotel room, etc. Indiana's fan base just can't do it. Bet 90% of the fans for IU at that game are family of players and people who work for the school.

Matchup can play a big role even for big time games. Goodyear is a sponsor of the Cotton Bowl played in Dallas Cowboy Stadium. This year it is Western Michigan, a 13-0 team from the MAC vs Wisconsin. You would think that WMich is a good story generating some interest, and they are and have. But that is not translating to ticket sales. A friend who works at Goodyear corporate says that internally there is very little interest in people going to the game (I guess certain Goodyear employees can go to the game free of charge) - many people don't care to go. I also read that tickets with a face value of $89 or so are being sold on the secondary market for $10-20. WMich doesn't have the fan base to support selling alot of tickets and Wisconsin fans aren't excited about going to see them play WMich. Now if it was Wisconsin vs Tennessee or something, it would be much different.

Bowl games have reached a point of over saturation and it has been there for a while. Talked to my friend last night who I think is a pretty big football fan. Told me he hasn't watched one bowl game yet. I think alot of people just don't care about them and thus the empty stadiums for many games.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2016 at 10:44 AM
The bubble for Bowl games has to burst at some point, there were 40 Bowl games in 2015, which means only the top 80(!) teams can get in. They definitely over-saturated the market a long time ago. The playoff games have generated more interest in recent years, but smaller schools don't have the alumni base to travel, which is who can afford to go on vacation over the holidays and fills the seats.

As a UW alum, I was going to bring up the W Michigan-UW Cotton Bowl game. I had never heard of W Michigan, and wondered why a top 10 team was playing what sounded like a Division III school, but apparently W Michigan had their greatest season ever and UW lost the Big 10 Championship game. Typically UW fans travel and fill bowl game seats, but their fan base just went to Indianapolis for the much more important Big 10 Championship, and this less-meaningful bowl game is in land-locked Dallas suburbs and that ain't no Pasadena.

The Bowl games are good for ESPN and smaller division I schools, they get some national TV time, but otherwise they are totally meaningless except for the student athletes, especially graduating seniors. Typically an outgoing coach has already moved on to recruiting for his new school and doesn't even coach in the bowl game. Tells you how important it is.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2016 at 12:27 PM
Something else about the bowls that is surprising is the number of schools that lose money going to them. It has been a while that I read some stories on this, but the schools have to commit to a certain number of tickets. If the school can't sell all those tickets then they eat the cost. Then you factor the travel costs for the team, the equipment, the band. Now, football for the season never loses money and in fact pays for many of the other sports at the school, but breaking it down the bowls aren't a money maker for most mid-major and lower power 5 conference teams. The schools continue to do it for the exposure it gets them, kind of like a commercial for their brand.

They are nice for players. They get to go places and experience things they never have before and they do alot of nice events leading up to the game for players. Players get some gifts, usually a few hundred dollars worth of stuff. Heard one bowl was giving the players XBoxes or something like that. These gifts are allowed under NCAA rules. There was just a story from the Belk bowl that because of a shopping spree the players got from Belk that one of the players was able to get a gift for his grandma for the first time.

Coaches do like the bowls because the team gets something like an extra 12 or 13 practices. For young developing players getting those practices are more important to the team big picture than game itself. And it is a nice goal to put out there preseason for a team to shoot for. A team that doesn't have a credible chance of competitng for a conference or national title a bowl game and trip is a nice reward at the end of the year.

They give degenerate gamblers like me more games to wager on. They are fun I think.

But it has gotten way too out of control. The NCAA controls the number of games, but they don't seem to care how many there are. ESPN only wants more and more. They make money for somebody or else they wouldn't be going on. These title sponsors are willing to fork over the money to put the game on. I suppose the sponsor would have to rent/lease the venue - or there is probably a promotion company that sets it all up similar to a concert event.

I personally would like it to go back to teams with winning records go. You know it used to be 6-5. But in a 12 game scheule, now there were bunches of 6-6 teams. The NCAA said 6-6 is eligible for a bowl so the games expanded. Now there are so many that not enough 6-6 teams qualify and 5-7 teams can be chosen if their APR (academic progress rate) is high enough.

It is out of hand. I think it if was more special and more limited it would mean more and generate more interest. But like I said somebody is making money off of them so until that changes this is what we have.

We went to Florida for Christmas, less than an hour away from St Pete. We talked about going to the St Pete bowl where Miami Oh played Miss St, but then realized we had better things to do.


 

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  posted on 12/30/2016 at 12:34 PM
Liberty Bowl between Georgia and TCU on now looks well attended. Most big time schools turn out pretty good for their bowls assuming the matchup has some appeal and it is either a close trip or a nice destination to go to. It is really the mid-major to lower tier power 5 teams that play in the empty stadiums for the most part.
 

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  posted on 12/30/2016 at 12:52 PM
A while back Sports Illustrated did a big feature on bowl games and how many, many schools lose money, it was an eye opener for me and I thought an well rounded article.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2017 at 01:42 PM
Hey, I wanted to say Thanks! You Guys are insightful and we're willing to share I guess partly I just didn't want to face and admit that what I enjoy and the sports teams, musical artists etc that I care about, just may not excite alot of other Folks, I did notice the later,larger games seemed well attended.......Peace To All. .......joe
 

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  posted on 1/13/2017 at 07:31 AM
I noticed the lack of fans as well. Unless you are a football junkie, a lot of people won't go to a game even if it is their backyard unless their team is in it. And who wants to pay to travel to an essentially meaningless game to see your favorite team? Especially if it is in a cold location in December.

 

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