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  posted on 12/15/2016 at 11:48 AM
Just got a Christmas card of a manger scene. Looks like a bunch of Nordic hippies in a Swedish barn. Got me wondering how would white folks react if they knew Jesus looked more like Bob Marley than Duane Allman?
 
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  posted on 12/15/2016 at 12:07 PM
Pretty sure that Jesus is a Jew.

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  posted on 12/15/2016 at 12:12 PM
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Pretty sure that Jesus is a Jew.

Here's a view from Oteil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PszhmIO_WAA




Def a Jew, haven't you guys ever watched The Ringer?
Awesome Oteil tune btw, had never heard it before.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2016 at 12:25 PM
He said he was sent to help the Jews, just because his brothers and mortal family were Jews does that mean he himself was a Jew? Most pictures depicted him as having light brown hair, and greenish eyes the Jews had dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.

Are Arabs combinations of white people (skin color), blacks (hair texture) and Asians (hair color)?

Afghans have pale green eyes and they migrated there.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2016 at 12:38 PM
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Pretty sure that Jesus is a Jew.

Here's a view from Oteil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PszhmIO_WAA



Marvin Gaye was a jew also. are you saying because jesus was a jew, he was white?. its about his message, not about his complexion, am I right?.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2016 at 12:52 PM
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He said he was sent to help the Jews, just because his brothers and mortal family were Jews does that mean he himself was a Jew? Most pictures depicted him as having light brown hair, and greenish eyes the Jews had dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.



"Pictures"? Later European paintings also depicted Cleopatra VII with fair skin and blonde hair, but that doesn't make it so.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2016 at 01:36 PM
I am not saying Jesus is White. I am saying that he is a Jew, as am I (I also believe that he is the Messiah, making me a Hebrew Christian, Jew for Jesus, Messianic Jew.....).
And yes, being born of a Jewish mother does make him Jewish.


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  posted on 12/15/2016 at 02:31 PM
Well according to this, he looked a bit like like lyle alzado, who was also jewish. http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a234/1282186/
 

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  posted on 12/15/2016 at 03:08 PM
Only those who need to hate use the color of someones skin to spew their loathing.

Jesus loved everyone unconditionally.

Anyone remember Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.s statement?

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Never quite took hold in the grievance, hate and political world.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2016 at 04:32 PM
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Just got a Christmas card of a manger scene. Looks like a bunch of Nordic hippies in a Swedish barn. Got me wondering how would white folks react if they knew Jesus looked more like Bob Marley than Duane Allman?


You crack me up. LOL

 

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  posted on 12/16/2016 at 07:17 PM
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He said he was sent to help the Jews, just because his brothers and mortal family were Jews does that mean he himself was a Jew? Most pictures depicted him as having light brown hair, and greenish eyes the Jews had dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.



"Pictures"? Later European paintings also depicted Cleopatra VII with fair skin and blonde hair, but that doesn't make it so.


Cleopatra with blonde hair? I have never seen that.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2016 at 07:26 PM

Why does it matter what Jesus's color was? God sent him to a certain region in the world, and made him look like he would blend in with the others in those lands at that time. I don't know how black people got dark skin, or how Indians got reddish skin or why Japanese and Chinese only have one color hair and physical features that are all similar to each other.

I heard something really scary recently, that in the mountains not far from Qandahar, giants were seen and killed by coalition forces who will not talk about it, after dealing with the Taliban and al Qaida forces, then coming across giants was just too much. The giants were believed to be descendents of the Nephilim, which were extra terrestrial in origin who mated with earthling women. Even in your Bible it is spoken about the Nephilim and the Annunaki, they came from somewhere other than earth. They had children and offspring, some of whom are believed to still be alive today. Even Jesus's family, they married and had children, their lineage has continued. Anyone ever thought about that? I also know that some of the Afghan Talliban can trace their ancestry back to the lineage of the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad.

There are a lot of interesting people still alive in the world today, there are good and bad in all races, colors, faiths.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2016 at 07:36 PM
Go Gina! You are on fire!
 

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  posted on 12/17/2016 at 03:42 PM
Mitochondrial DNA data shows that anatomically modern Humans evolved about 200,000 years ago in Africa. During the next hundred thousand years there were a number of human migrations out of Africa. Each of these migrations followed the route through what is now Israel before proceeding to either Asia or Europe. Changes in skin, hair and eye color among northern Europeans have been attributed to climatic and dietary factors and occurred after leaving Africa.

Based on geography it's likely that Jesus's skin color was medium to dark brown and he looked more like Bob Marley without the dreads than Duane Allman.

Humans, though, be that white, brown, black or albino all originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago.


 

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  posted on 12/17/2016 at 05:00 PM
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he looked more like Bob Marley without the dreads than Duane Allman.


Why no dreadlocks? I noticed his mom has her hair conked in the above picture, probably historically inaccurate.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2016 at 05:56 PM
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he looked more like Bob Marley without the dreads than Duane Allman.


Why no dreadlocks? I noticed his mom has her hair conked in the above picture, probably historically inaccurate.

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  posted on 12/18/2016 at 08:42 AM
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He said he was sent to help the Jews, just because his brothers and mortal family were Jews does that mean he himself was a Jew? Most pictures depicted him as having light brown hair, and greenish eyes the Jews had dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.



"Pictures"? Later European paintings also depicted Cleopatra VII with fair skin and blonde hair, but that doesn't make it so.


Cleopatra with blonde hair? I have never seen that.


A lot of baroque and neoclassical European paintings represented many characters in what was contemporary styles of clothes and physical beauty. That means white ivory skin and fair features, often dirty blonde hair. Jesus's and Mary's depictions in art evolved for the same reasons. As many have said, it shouldn't really matter (although it is no doubt interesting). However, I'm sure there are a small number of knuckleheads who claim to love Jesus yet have hate in their heart.

If you do a quick "Cleaopatra in art" google search you'll find a fair number of these paintings, but here are just a few that feel a little out of place and time from our concept of ancient Ptolemic Egypt.





 

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  posted on 12/18/2016 at 08:46 AM
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  posted on 12/18/2016 at 12:18 PM
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Just got a Christmas card of a manger scene. Looks like a bunch of Nordic hippies in a Swedish barn. Got me wondering how would white folks react if they knew Jesus looked more like Bob Marley than Duane Allman?


someone sent you a Christmas card?

ok, wait, maybe that was uncool. Do they know you or was it from a local car dealership?

ok, maybe that was uncool too.

do they know you AND know of your...skepticism, for lack of a better word, concerning our Lord and Savior and His skin color?

there, that's better...

Hey man, Merry Christmas!

ok, wait, that was uncool.

Happy Holidays!

 

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  posted on 12/18/2016 at 12:41 PM
Merry Christmas backatcha!

Don't know where you got the skepticism of Jesus's color thing. I'm like you and think it doesn't matter at all. My original question was not to debate what color Jesus may have been. Nobody can know.
The real question, that matters very much, is how would the white mainstream Christians react if it was proven that Jesus wasn't white? How would that news go down in Mississippi?

Would they continue to paint Him as Nordic?

 

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  posted on 12/18/2016 at 01:17 PM
a few years after Jesus's death and ascension, in one of Josephus's works, he mentioned that "Jesus stood out in a crowd". This could mean either that He was a tall man or, even in the flesh, there was a light emminating from Him. Given that He at the time was a man, the former is likely but no other mention, at least that I could find, has ever been made of Jesus's appearance and I suppose for good reason. It doesn't matter.

my bad on the skepticism thing. All apologies.

 

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  posted on 12/18/2016 at 01:44 PM
Haha no worries at all! I am a devious Whipping Poster. You are hip to my obnoxious inflammatory questionable motivation.

Still, doesn't make it any less of a lovely Christmas. Snowed in here in Oregon. Just me and Flipper swimmin around Seaworld. You folks are literally my only link to humanity.

Great posts all. Thanks for thoughts art and music. Really good Oteil number, Blue Eyed Savior. Only lyrics I have ever heard about this, a black man struggling to discard an image of God imposed by the white man. How many white Christians have ever had to face this challenge?

" I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some"


[Edited on 12/18/2016 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 12/26/2016 at 06:06 PM
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Mitochondrial DNA data shows that anatomically modern Humans evolved about 200,000 years ago in Africa. During the next hundred thousand years there were a number of human migrations out of Africa. Each of these migrations followed the route through what is now Israel before proceeding to either Asia or Europe. Changes in skin, hair and eye color among northern Europeans have been attributed to climatic and dietary factors and occurred after leaving Africa.

Based on geography it's likely that Jesus's skin color was medium to dark brown and he looked more like Bob Marley without the dreads than Duane Allman.

Humans, though, be that white, brown, black or albino all originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago.




If you are trying to say everyone originally came from Africa that is an interesting concept, some have spoken about Pangea which was one continent before the land masses were broken apart (due to pole shifts and the cataclysm that caused ice ages etc. ). But I do not understand the differences in the DNA of the different races or how that evolved unless it is true that mankind was cohabitating with other terrestrial beings causing the different mutations seen among different races. A forensic scientist can tell someone's race based on their sperm, why is Asian sperm different than native African American sperm? The genetic markers and diseases more prevalent in different racial groups is proof that something more than just evolution was going on.

 

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