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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 09:30 AM
Well, I thought I might read something posted by the hate Trump crowd (welcome, Lisajess) conceding he did well, crawled out of the hole the media tried to bury him in, but instead its the usual biased bashing. (Crooked) Hillary comparing herself to Honest Abe was ridiculous. Trump absolutely won the second debate.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 09:54 AM
Syncophant . . . lol
 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 09:58 AM
Oh, the irony...
 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 10:03 AM
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Well, I thought I might read something posted by the hate Trump crowd (welcome, Lisajess) conceding he did well, crawled out of the hole the media tried to bury him in, but instead its the usual biased bashing. (Crooked) Hillary comparing herself to Honest Abe was ridiculous. Trump absolutely won the second debate.


Another point went over your head. She was not comparing herself to Abe Lincoln, she wa talking about the movie "Lincoln" and how Abe would use different arguments with different people to get what he wanted. Nice try.

BTW, constantly referring to Hillary as"Crooked". Is more biased than anything else around here. You have never showed one thing that she has done to deserve that title. So don't act as if you are above the fray.

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 10:09 AM
Goob - it's spelled "sycophant".
 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 10:13 AM
Not sure why I am venturing into the dark waters of political discussion.

Last night, I thought Trump was terrible. He rarely properly addressed the questions posed from the audience or the moderators and instead went on the same rambling talking points he has been using for over a year. The format did not do him well and I thought he failed badly. Did he score some points, sure? In his own Trump way, he made some points that could've helped him and hurt her. But really overall his interaction with individual voters, people like you and me, and listening what they asked and giving answers too such questions was way off.

By comparison, the first debate, while he still was often off topic and rambled much, that debate was played on his terms...he dominated the first debate and I think people could say he 'won' that....as long as things like facts aren't being considered.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 11:08 AM
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Well, I thought I might read something posted by the hate Trump crowd (welcome, Lisajess) conceding he did well, crawled out of the hole the media tried to bury him in, but instead its the usual biased bashing. (Crooked) Hillary comparing herself to Honest Abe was ridiculous. Trump absolutely won the second debate.


Are you ready to give a probability of Trump winning in November? All kidding aside, with who he is, where he stands in battleground states, and with the probability that more audio / video comes out on puritanical Donald, goob...you don't really believe he can win with a rabid base that can't seem to get him into the percentages higher than where he's stagnated?

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 11:48 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-poll-gives-hillary-clinton-a-double -digit-national-lead_us_57fbb90fe4b068ecb5e0698d?r97yd7wr5fljif6r

New Poll Gives Hillary Clinton A Double-Digit National Lead
An NBC/Wall Street Journal survey shows Donald Trump crashing after Friday’s video release.
10/10/2016 12:36 pm ET

Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 11 points, 46 percent to 35 percent, in a four-way race among likely voters, according to an NBC/Wall Street Journal survey conducted immediately after a tape showing Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women was released Friday.

The survey, which was conducted before Sunday night’s debate, represents a 5-point jump for Clinton over the past month.

In a head-to-head matchup, Clinton leads by an even wider 14 points, 52 percent to 38 percent, or double the 7-point lead she held last month. Just 72 percent of Republicans support Trump, compared to the 85 percent of Democrats who back Clinton.

Forty-one percent of respondents say Trump’s comments on the video are “completely unacceptable,” while 31 percent call them “inappropriate, but typical of how some men talk in private with other men.”

“Trump is in a weaker position than our September track,” Republican pollster Bill McInturff, part of the bipartisan team conducting the survey, told NBC. “It also does not mean he can’t get these points back.”

The NBC/WSJ survey also finds worrisome signs for Republicans down the ballot. Voters say by a 7-point margin, 49 percent to 42 percent, that they’d prefer to see Congress controlled by Democrats than Republicans, the biggest advantage Democrats have seen since the government shutdown in 2013.

The poll is among the first data available since the revelations in the newly released video, which was followed by a string of defections and disavowals from Republican lawmakers. As such, it’s too early to know whether it represents an outlier, an extreme but temporary dip for Trump, or a new status quo. An online Politico/Morning Consult tracking poll showed far less change, with Trump’s numbers dropping by just 1 point after the video release.

But regardless of the ultimate damage caused by this weekend’s events, it’s certainly bad news for Trump. Even before the latest revelations, he was already significantly behind in the polls &#8213; and with early voting already beginning and less than a month until Election Day, there’s very little time left for him to significantly change course.

HuffPost’s presidential forecast currently gives Clinton an 87 percent chance of winning the election.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 11:52 AM
CNN's poll found that by 57-34%, a majority of voters watching them thought she got the best of him.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 11:58 AM
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CNN's poll found that by 57-34%, a majority of voters watching them thought she got the best of him.


Oh...what do they know? Goob's thread (by title) in the WP states differently, is based upon metrics, and is impartial.

 

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CNN's poll found that by 57-34%, a majority of voters watching them thought she got the best of him.


Oh...what do they know? Goob's thread (by title) in the WP states differently, is based upon metrics, and is impartial.


I wonder why Goob waited until today to make that post. He could have done it before yhe debate and scooped everyone.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 12:21 PM
How can anyone determine a winner or loser of such a wretched event?

I miss when politics was nice and boring...policy, budgets, planning, philosophies, etc...

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 01:28 PM
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CNN's poll found that by 57-34%, a majority of voters watching them thought she got the best of him.


Wait, who are you going to believe, CNN with a control group or a click as often as you want online poll by the Drudge Report? Obviously CNN is bias!

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 04:53 PM
I think Trump won because he did not back down on any question, or try to answer it with something else the way most politicians do. I think if he can handle something like this with just a few weeks till election time, he can handle whatever else comes his way.

Did anyone bother to listen to the points and facts he brought up? Like Ambassador Stevens (the guy in Benghazi who was ambushed and assassinated (by Al Qaida like forces) contacted Hillary six hundred times and she would not respond to him, she would only allegedly discuss the situation with Sidney Blumenthal (who Trump says is a bad man), and he had to deal with the situation. As the Secretary of State, why didn't she speak to the man? Were those conversations in those deleted emails?

She complained about his not paying taxes and he pointed out he used the same laws her big money donating backers use, and if she was so opposed to those laws, she could have tried to get them changed during her thirty years in politics, but she never did, why not?

He said he will get rid of "carried interest" in the tax code, and she will not.

He only took legal deductions off his taxes according to what he said, so where is the smoking gun on that issue?

She tried to complain about him wanting to ban Muslims from coming to America, he reiterated he wants each person to be properly vetted, and his original position was only to ban people coming from countries where Isis is strong and actively fighting (creating mass refugees). If she is so concerned about innocent Muslims, maybe she should fight against all the drone strikes killing innocents in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria and other lands.

Obamacare - she was the original creator of the health care initiative under the time when her husband was in office and asked her to work on health care. Well that's twelve years (four from Bill and eight from working under Obama) on health care. Why wasn't a better plan drafted? Bernie Sanders had no problem doing it in Vermont. Everyone wants national health care but as Trump pointed out what we have now is so expensive, unless you get hit with a truck, you cannot afford it, because of the premium AND the deductibles involved. Why should the govt. have to subsidize the premiums? Because they are too high for people to afford them, and their subsidy does not last forever, what then? A failed plan. She wants to keep what is good about the plan and then try to fix the rest. With the lobbyists from the insurance companies, that will not happen, if it was possible, the twelve years she has been involved with it would have been enough time to come up with something. I think she is smart enough to know what needs to be done, but the insurance companies will not take less profit, so she cannot achieve it. Trump's answer is BLOCK GRANT the money to the states and let them figure out how to provide the coverage to their residents. Makes more sense.

Trump brought up things against Bill and had three females in the audience if anyone demanded a fact check on it. If the democrats keep trying to discredit Trump with sleaze, he can do the same thing to them. If their issues and positions and plans are good enough for the country, they should want to lay that out for the people, but instead, they focus on sleaze. All of this actually started with Marco Rubio attacking Trump's manhood, remember that? Maybe there is a lot of envy going on here. What is their big scandal? His admitted desire for a woman? What were his actions? He took her furniture shopping. Oh boy, eleven years ago, he took one woman furniture shopping. And this is hot news.





[Edited on 10/10/2016 by gina]

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 04:57 PM
i have heard a number of republicans say that because of their faith, which tells them to accept apologies and forgive, accept trumps apology. i guess that works for Hillary too, although they haven't clarified if it is situational yet.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 05:42 PM
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I think Trump won because he did not back down on any question, or try to answer it with something else the way most politicians do. I think if he can handle something like this with just a few weeks till election time, he can handle whatever else comes his way.


He didn't answer the questions he was asked. He changed the subject to what he wanted to talk about.
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Did anyone bother to listen to the points and facts he brought up? Like Ambassador Stevens (the guy in Benghazi who was ambushed and assassinated (by Al Qaida like forces) contacted Hillary six hundred times and she would not respond to him, she would only allegedly discuss the situation with Sidney Blumenthal (who Trump says is a bad man), and he had to deal with the situation. As the Secretary of State, why didn't she speak to the man? Were those conversations in those deleted emails?


He contacted her 600 times in a few hours? You bought that?
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She complained about his not paying taxes and he pointed out he used the same laws her big money donating backers use, and if she was so opposed to those laws, she could have tried to get them changed during her thirty years in politics, but she never did, why not?


Tax code changes must originate in the House of Representatives. Hillary was in the Senate.

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He said he will get rid of "carried interest" in the tax code, and she will not.


Only the House Of Representatives can originate tax code changes. Not a Senator, not the president.
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He only took legal deductions off his taxes according to what he said, so where is the smoking gun on that issue?


How do we know that since he won't release his tax returns. And before you go with the "I am being audited" line, why doesn't he release the past 20 years of returns? Hillaryy has released 40 years worth.

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She tried to complain about him wanting to ban Muslims from coming to America, he reiterated he wants each person to be properly vetted, and his original position was only to ban people coming from countries where Isis is strong and actively fighting (creating mass refugees). If she is so concerned about innocent Muslims, maybe she should fight against all the drone strikes killing innocents in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria and other lands.

That has nothing to do with anything. And Trump has stated he will increase attacks on Muslim countries.

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Obamacare - she was the original creator of the health care initiative under the time when her husband was in office and asked her to work on health care. Well that's twelve years (four from Bill and eight from working under Obama) on health care. Why wasn't a better plan drafted? Bernie Sanders had no problem doing it in Vermont. Everyone wants national health care but as Trump pointed out what we have now is so expensive, unless you get hit with a truck, you cannot afford it, because of the premium AND the deductibles involved. Why should the govt. have to subsidize the premiums? Because they are too high for people to afford them, and their subsidy does not last forever, what then? A failed plan. She wants to keep what is good about the plan and then try to fix the rest. With the lobbyists from the insurance companies, that will not happen, if it was possible, the twelve years she has been involved with it would have been enough time to come up with something. I think she is smart enough to know what needs to be done, but the insurance companies will not take less profit, so she cannot achieve it. Trump's answer is BLOCK GRANT the money to the states and let them figure out how to provide the coverage to their residents. Makes more sense.


A lot of BS here. Bernie Sanders is a US Senator. He is not a state of Vermont official. He had nothing to do with any health care plan in his state. Hillary wants to improve on the watered down plan that was a compromise to the GOP. Trump wants to scrap it causing millions to lose their coverage.

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Trump brought up things against Bill and had three females in the audience if anyone demanded a fact check on it. If the democrats keep trying to discredit Trump with sleaze, he can do the same thing to them. If their issues and positions and plans are good enough for the country, they should want to lay that out for the people, but instead, they focus on sleaze. All of this actually started with Marco Rubio attacking Trump's manhood, remember that? Maybe there is a lot of envy going on here. What is their big scandal? His admitted desire for a woman? What were his actions? He took her furniture shopping. Oh boy, eleven years ago, he took one woman furniture shopping. And this is hot news.


News Flash: Bill Clinton is not running for president. That's right folks, his wife is. If he intends to attack the candidates spouse, his actions are fair game.



 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 06:29 PM
GOP ex-prosecutors slam Trump over threat to 'jail' Clinton
'The Justice Department isn't a political tool and it ought not to be employed that way.'
By JOSH GERSTEIN 10/10/16 05:20 PM EDT Updated 10/10/16 05:20 PM EDT

Donald Trump’s debate-night vow to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton’s email setup and put her “in jail” provoked a sharp blowback from former U.S. prosecutors, who said Trump’s view of the Justice Department serving the whims of the president is antithetical to the American system.

While presidents appoint the attorney general, they do not make decisions on whom to prosecute for crimes — and were Trump to do so, prosecutors warned, he would spark a constitutional crisis similar to that of the “Saturday Night Massacre” in the Nixon administration. In that case, Nixon attempted to fire the prosecutor investigating the Watergate scandal, and the top two Justice Department officials resigned on the spot.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-clinton-jail-ex-prosecutors-sla m-229547#ixzz4MjBvDITu

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 06:48 PM

No, Trump, Canadians do not flee en masse for US health care



http://www.vox.com/2016/10/9/13222798/canadians-seeking-medical-care-us-tru mp-debate

 

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  posted on 10/10/2016 at 07:08 PM
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GOP ex-prosecutors slam Trump over threat to 'jail' Clinton
'The Justice Department isn't a political tool and it ought not to be employed that way.'
By JOSH GERSTEIN 10/10/16 05:20 PM EDT Updated 10/10/16 05:20 PM EDT

Donald Trump’s debate-night vow to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton’s email setup and put her “in jail” provoked a sharp blowback from former U.S. prosecutors, who said Trump’s view of the Justice Department serving the whims of the president is antithetical to the American system.

While presidents appoint the attorney general, they do not make decisions on whom to prosecute for crimes — and were Trump to do so, prosecutors warned, he would spark a constitutional crisis similar to that of the “Saturday Night Massacre” in the Nixon administration. In that case, Nixon attempted to fire the prosecutor investigating the Watergate scandal, and the top two Justice Department officials resigned on the spot.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-clinton-jail-ex-prosecutors-sla m-229547#ixzz4MjBvDITu



As despicable as Nixon's actions were considered to be at the time, the Justice Department was quaintly honorable.

I wonder whether Guiliani wants to be AG or Special Prosecutor. I don't like him, but he was a damned good US Attorney. He loves to look through the muck but he also likes to be #1 in whatever field he's in.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2016 at 11:13 AM
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News Flash: Bill Clinton is not running for president. That's right folks, his wife is. If he intends to attack the candidates spouse, his actions are fair game.



Good point. But then, neither are "Trump's Supporters."

 

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News Flash: Bill Clinton is not running for president. That's right folks, his wife is. If he intends to attack the candidates spouse, his actions are fair game.



Good point. But then, neither are "Trump's Supporters."

So what's your point?

 

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  posted on 10/11/2016 at 07:10 PM
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GOP ex-prosecutors slam Trump over threat to 'jail' Clinton
'The Justice Department isn't a political tool and it ought not to be employed that way.'
By JOSH GERSTEIN 10/10/16 05:20 PM EDT Updated 10/10/16 05:20 PM EDT

Donald Trump’s debate-night vow to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton’s email setup and put her “in jail” provoked a sharp blowback from former U.S. prosecutors, who said Trump’s view of the Justice Department serving the whims of the president is antithetical to the American system.

While presidents appoint the attorney general, they do not make decisions on whom to prosecute for crimes — and were Trump to do so, prosecutors warned, he would spark a constitutional crisis similar to that of the “Saturday Night Massacre” in the Nixon administration. In that case, Nixon attempted to fire the prosecutor investigating the Watergate scandal, and the top two Justice Department officials resigned on the spot.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-clinton-jail-ex-prosecutors-sla m-229547#ixzz4MjBvDITu



As despicable as Nixon's actions were considered to be at the time, the Justice Department was quaintly honorable.

I wonder whether Guiliani wants to be AG or Special Prosecutor. I don't like him, but he was a damned good US Attorney. He loves to look through the muck but he also likes to be #1 in whatever field he's in.


You are aware of his relationship with Judy Nathan, his Secretary/Assistant while he was married to Donna Hanover (former news anchor from PIX). The marriage ended, and Judy ended up becoming the second wife. I am NOT accusing him, just saying people idolize people who are also not perfect.

The only thing that was proven about Trump are his remarks, where he admitted he did not even succeed in having sex with that woman, they went furniture shopping.

[Edited on 10/12/2016 by gina]

 

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