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  posted on 9/19/2016 at 12:03 PM
Who is showing true leadership? Who is soft on terror? Who is engaging in fear-mongering? Who has it right?

1. Obama

"I think it is important to remember what terrorists and violent extremists are trying to do. They are trying to hurt innocent people, but they also want to inspire fear in all of us, and disrupt the way we live to undermine our values," Obama said. "We all have a role to play as citizens in making sure that we don't succumb to that fear. And there is no better example of that than the people of New York and New Jersey."

2. Trump

"I think this is something that will maybe get -- will happen perhaps more and more all over the country. It's a mess, and it's a shame, and we're going to have to be very tough. I think there is -- I think there's many foreign connections. You have many, many groups, because we're allowing these people to come into our country and destroy our country and make it unsafe for people."

3. Clinton

"There are millions of law-abiding, peaceful Muslim Americans. That is why I have been very clear. We are going after the bad guys and we are going to get them, but we are not going to go after an entire religion and give ISIS exactly what it is wanting."

 

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  posted on 9/19/2016 at 12:15 PM
These responses are pretty much what one would anticipate from the three. No surprises there.

Trump plays to a base to generate more fear and strengthen his anti immigration extremist views. Wouldn't we expect that kind of statement from someone who "knows more than the Generals" and has criticized Colin Powell and Robert Gates? Obviously Trump is much sharper on world affairs than either of those 2.

 

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i'm going to NYC next week and staying for a week. my fear level is no different today than it was last week. i feel my chances of being killed or injured by terrorism is no greater than being killed or injured by anyone else in new york, probably less so.

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  posted on 9/19/2016 at 01:06 PM
Personally, I like the response by law enforcement best...in less than 36 hours they has a suspect identified, and less and 4 hours after publicly identifying the suspect they had him in custody. That kind of action beats political rhetoric any day in my book.



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  posted on 9/19/2016 at 01:13 PM
Obama has the best response. He also has the highest IQ (153). He has a greater understanding of the motivations of Isis because of what he has learned during his tenure in his job. Obama has certain ways of dealing with problems.

Trump understands the problem but has been frustrated with the results and success in dealing with attacks and threats that have happened. His approach is identify the problem, come up with a solution and solve it as quickly as possible. This is a long war. As he learns more, Trump will become a great leader, but expect some shock initially because he will try to outgun the opposition. The greater problem is the ideology, the incorrect understanding of the religion, foreign and nation state(s) policies.

Sovereignty is at the root of all of it. Whose domain are the states/nations? Who should make the rules for the people's living there and what should they abide by? That's what the war is about. Isis wants their version of Islam instituted worldwide. The US wants secularism/democracy worldwide. Smaller nations play both sides to prevent national/civil wars and also to get foreign aid to keep them afloat.

 

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There has been an arrest in the Chelsea and NJ bombings. He lived in an apt. over his parent's store, he worked at the store. "The FBI raided the Elizabeth address in the morning. The apartment is above a restaurant run by Rahami’s father, called First American Fried Chicken".

An explosive cache was found around 9:30 p.m. at N. Broad St. and Julian Pl. An FBI bomb robot sent to the scene unexpectedly set off one of five explosive devices, though there were no injuries. Law enforcement sources told CBS This Morning that Rahami may be connected to those bombs.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/man-wanted-nyc-nj-bombings-ar rested-shooting-police-officer-article-1.2797960


Two homeless men found a backpack in the trash, thinking there was something of value in it. Instead, what they discovered and their actions that followed potentially saved lives in Elizabeth, New Jersey. Elizabeth Mayor Christian Bollwage said five pipe bombs were found in the bag around 8:30 p.m. Sunday near the Elizabeth train station.

http://abc7ny.com/news/authorities-converge-on-elizabeth-location-after-pip e-bombs-found-/1517237/


The obvious question is why these locations where the devices were found. At that location
131 W. 23 Street (6 Avenue is the nearest cross street) what's nearby?

When you want to know what is on a street, put in the address and you can see it, even travel down it.

http://showmystreet.com/

St. Vincent De Paul
Scott Trade
Chelsea Mews
Malibu Diner

The rest of the street has normal businesses. Citibank, Chase, Outback, Home Depot, Jennifer Convertibles, Starbucks, Dunkin Donuts, Boston Market, Duane Reade, UPS, Walgreens, At&T, NY Sports Clubs. There is just nothing remarkable or significant or unique about any of these, therefore I don't think it was the businesses per se that were targeted, I think it is something much worse. You have many subway lines with stations close to there.

7th Avenue - #1 Subway
7th Avenue - the Path line that goes New Jersey

8th Avenue - C & E Subways

That's one thing. Now the next thing, what's on 27th Street?

27th Street & Broadway N, R, W subways

28th Street & Park Ave #6 subway.

Now these subway lines run along different tunnels, in the hubs that they go to and thru you have many levels, like the C&E run on the lowest level, the #1 runs on a level above that, the N, R & W go to Queens. On 9.30.01 there was a man found in the Philadelphia Greyhound station with NYC subway maps and a suitcase full of C4. It seemed like he wanted to blow them up. This was not widely reported. Even on 9.11.01 there was a truck stopped at the Jersey entrance to the George Washington Bridge (reported around 11 pm) that had explosives in it. This was not widely reported either due to the horror of the other events of the day.

IF the person(s) involved in the explosions on 23 St. wanted to cause extensive damage, why was the pressure cooker put in a trash bin. It would kill more people being left on the street wouldn't it? Maybe mass casualties was not the goal, maybe scaring people and issuing a warning was the message. The fact that at least five more bombs were found means a bigger attack was in the works.


"“multiple improvised explosive devices” that was found in a trash can near the Elizabeth Train Station on Sunday night, according to the FBI"
http://www.northjersey.com/news/suspect-in-nyc-shore-blasts-undergoing-surg ery-after-shootout-in-linden-1.1662503


[Edited on 9/19/2016 by gina]

[Edited on 9/19/2016 by gina]

 

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The suspect is undergoing surgery in New Jersey.

Rahami was shot in the leg and arm during the shootout, police said. He was taken for surgery to the NJ Trauma Center of University Hospital, where security is tight. Hospital visitors are being directed away from the entrance, where a cluster of armed Rutgers police officers intercepts any pedestrians. He was undergoing surgery at the hospital Monday afternoon after being shot "at least" in the leg, Union County Prosecutor Grace H. Park said Monday afternoon at a news conference at the Elizabeth Fire Department headquarters.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/suspect-in-nyc-shore-blasts-undergoing-surg ery-after-shootout-in-linden-1.1662503

What else is known about him:

He traveled to Afghanistan multiple times in the past, according to law enforcement sources. He was questioned every time he returned to the United States, as is standard procedure, but was not on the radar for possible radicalization, one official said. Another official said Rahami traveled overseas a good bit, also visiting countries not in the Middle East.

• He majored in criminal justice at Middlesex County College in Edison, New Jersey, school spokesman Tom Peterson said. Rahami attended the college from 2010-2012 but did not graduate.

• Rahami's family lives above First American Fried Chicken in Elizabeth, the city's mayor says. The family has a history of clashes with the community over the restaurant, which used to be open 24 hours a day, Mayor Chris Bollwage said. Investigators searched the building Monday, Bollwage said.

• The Rahami family alleged discrimination and harassment in a lawsuit filed against the city and its police department in 2011, arguing that officials conspired against them by subjecting them to citations for allegedly violating a city ordinance on hours of operation. The suit alleged that police officers and city representatives had said "the restaurant presented a danger to the community." It also accused a neighboring business owner of saying, "Muslims make too much trouble in this country" and "Muslims don't belong here." The defendants, including police officers and city officials, denied the allegations.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37410115
Photo of the family restaurant

Flee Jones, 27, told the New York Times Mr Rahami's appearance and behaviour began to change after he visited his native Afghanistan about four years ago. After returning from his trip, he grew a beard, began wearing traditional Muslim robes and prayed in the back of the store. [four years ago Mullah Omar was still in charge of the Afghan Taliban, so THEY did not radicalize him]


REMARKS: So he majored in criminal justice, but did not graduate and was stuck working in his parent's chicken restaurant which was a 24 hour a day establishment until local zoning demanded the close at 10 pm. He went back to Afghanistan several times, ISIS has a foothold there, and ISIS are the ones who would believe pressure cooker attacks are acceptable, THE Afghan Taliban do not endorse or support attacking civilans in that manner. They denounced the 9.11.01 attacks as un-Islamic and that was a big ideological difference between them and Al Qaida. Al Qaida believed that since the US came to Muslim countries and attacked them, they could retaliate in any manner possible. THE Taliban belief was that they could ONLY defend their homeland, their homes, their families, their religion. They could only fight within the borders of Afghanistan. So this bomber was radicalized, it wasn't by THE Afghan Taliban.




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  posted on 9/19/2016 at 03:50 PM
Some were initially upset with Donald for saying "bomb." Something exploded in a dumpster. Pretty good guess what it was....






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Some were initially upset with Donald for saying "bomb." Something exploded in a dumpster. Pretty good guess what it was....






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No, they were upset that he offered condolences when nobody died.

 

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The suspect is undergoing surgery in New Jersey.

Rahami was shot in the leg and arm during the shootout, police said. He was taken for surgery to the NJ Trauma Center of University Hospital, where security is tight. Hospital visitors are being directed away from the entrance, where a cluster of armed Rutgers police officers intercepts any pedestrians. He was undergoing surgery at the hospital Monday afternoon after being shot "at least" in the leg, Union County Prosecutor Grace H. Park said Monday afternoon at a news conference at the Elizabeth Fire Department headquarters.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/suspect-in-nyc-shore-blasts-undergoing-surg ery-after-shootout-in-linden-1.1662503

What else is known about him:

He traveled to Afghanistan multiple times in the past, according to law enforcement sources. He was questioned every time he returned to the United States, as is standard procedure, but was not on the radar for possible radicalization, one official said. Another official said Rahami traveled overseas a good bit, also visiting countries not in the Middle East.

• He majored in criminal justice at Middlesex County College in Edison, New Jersey, school spokesman Tom Peterson said. Rahami attended the college from 2010-2012 but did not graduate.

• Rahami's family lives above First American Fried Chicken in Elizabeth, the city's mayor says. The family has a history of clashes with the community over the restaurant, which used to be open 24 hours a day, Mayor Chris Bollwage said. Investigators searched the building Monday, Bollwage said.

• The Rahami family alleged discrimination and harassment in a lawsuit filed against the city and its police department in 2011, arguing that officials conspired against them by subjecting them to citations for allegedly violating a city ordinance on hours of operation. The suit alleged that police officers and city representatives had said "the restaurant presented a danger to the community." It also accused a neighboring business owner of saying, "Muslims make too much trouble in this country" and "Muslims don't belong here." The defendants, including police officers and city officials, denied the allegations.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37410115
Photo of the family restaurant

Flee Jones, 27, told the New York Times Mr Rahami's appearance and behaviour began to change after he visited his native Afghanistan about four years ago. After returning from his trip, he grew a beard, began wearing traditional Muslim robes and prayed in the back of the store. [four years ago Mullah Omar was still in charge of the Afghan Taliban, so THEY did not radicalize him]


REMARKS: So he majored in criminal justice, but did not graduate and was stuck working in his parent's chicken restaurant which was a 24 hour a day establishment until local zoning demanded the close at 10 pm. He went back to Afghanistan several times, ISIS has a foothold there, and ISIS are the ones who would believe pressure cooker attacks are acceptable, THE Afghan Taliban do not endorse or support attacking civilans in that manner. They denounced the 9.11.01 attacks as un-Islamic and that was a big ideological difference between them and Al Qaida. Al Qaida believed that since the US came to Muslim countries and attacked them, they could retaliate in any manner possible. THE Taliban belief was that they could ONLY defend their homeland, their homes, their families, their religion. They could only fight within the borders of Afghanistan. So this bomber was radicalized, it wasn't by THE Afghan Taliban.




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This has nothing to do with the topic. Why don't you put this in your terrorism thread. You know, the one you think makes you some sort of journalist or historian.

 

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Some were initially upset with Donald for saying "bomb." Something exploded in a dumpster. Pretty good guess what it was....

Lucky guess. My first thought was that someone threw away their Samsung smart phone.

 

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The media is not happy with anything Trump has to say, there is not much people can do about a terror attack, except if you see someone leaves a bag someplace, well that's a sign, because in NY if someone leaves a bag someplace, someone else would steal it so you wouldn't just see it sitting there.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2016 at 04:19 PM
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The media is not happy with anything Trump has to say, there is not much people can do about a terror attack, except if you see someone leaves a bag someplace, well that's a sign, because in NY if someone leaves a bag someplace, someone else would steal it so you wouldn't just see it sitting there.


Wow, you are a genius. Have you told Homeland Security about that theory?

 

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Nope, they have their own training. You have 11 million people living in NYC there are just too many people coming and going thru there all the time. The military (includes the National Guard) have better skills at noticing things than the homeland security people.



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Well it seems to me, reporters and others can see the dangers even of having Syrian refugees here, but the power that be want to bring them here and I don't think the odds of peace are in our favor. Trump had the idea that if people are travelling to countries where we are at war fighting terror someone should look into where the people are going when they go back home, and they should not be allowed to stay there for more than 30 days at a time. It is another part of foreign policy that needs to be looked at.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/09/19/1-5-syrian-refugees-settled-new-york-a rea-obama-wants-more


Since this bomber is from Afghanistan and is a US citizen, this has nothing to do with Syrian refugees.

 

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Well it seems to me, reporters and others can see the dangers even of having Syrian refugees here, but the power that be want to bring them here and I don't think the odds of peace are in our favor. Trump had the idea that if people are travelling to countries where we are at war fighting terror someone should look into where the people are going when they go back home, and they should not be allowed to stay there for more than 30 days at a time. It is another part of foreign policy that needs to be looked at.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/09/19/1-5-syrian-refugees-settled-new-york-a rea-obama-wants-more


Since this bomber is from Afghanistan and is a US citizen, this has nothing to do with Syrian refugees.


Point well taken, I'll put the Syrian refugee link with the United Nations summit regarding the refugee crisis.

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The media is not happy with anything Trump has to say, there is not much people can do about a terror attack, except if you see someone leaves a bag someplace, well that's a sign, because in NY if someone leaves a bag someplace, someone else would steal it so you wouldn't just see it sitting there.


You realize that Donald loves to hate on the media yet use them for as much free PR as he can get.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2016 at 06:53 PM
aahahahahhhhahahhhhhhhhhhhh i cant take this any more....
 

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  posted on 9/20/2016 at 01:07 AM
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The media is not happy with anything Trump has to say, there is not much people can do about a terror attack, except if you see someone leaves a bag someplace, well that's a sign, because in NY if someone leaves a bag someplace, someone else would steal it so you wouldn't just see it sitting there.


You realize that Donald loves to hate on the media yet use them for as much free PR as he can get.


If you say so.....but why do Liberals complain about the volume of coverage devoted to Hillary's email exploits, Benghazi, ect. After all, it's just "free PR," right?

Funny how that works.

 

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The media is not happy with anything Trump has to say, there is not much people can do about a terror attack, except if you see someone leaves a bag someplace, well that's a sign, because in NY if someone leaves a bag someplace, someone else would steal it so you wouldn't just see it sitting there.


You realize that Donald loves to hate on the media yet use them for as much free PR as he can get.


If you say so.....but why do Liberals complain about the volume of coverage devoted to Hillary's email exploits, Benghazi, ect. After all, it's just "free PR," right?

Funny how that works.

Who's complaining?

 

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The media is not happy with anything Trump has to say, there is not much people can do about a terror attack, except if you see someone leaves a bag someplace, well that's a sign, because in NY if someone leaves a bag someplace, someone else would steal it so you wouldn't just see it sitting there.


You realize that Donald loves to hate on the media yet use them for as much free PR as he can get.


If you say so.....but why do Liberals complain about the volume of coverage devoted to Hillary's email exploits, Benghazi, ect. After all, it's just "free PR," right?

Funny how that works.


Trump vilifies the press & makes them out to be the bad guys, but the narcissistic candidate drinks media coverage. To his supporters he makes himself out as a victim of the press. He presents himself as some sort of a martyr. Don't you feel sorry for him, alloak?

He thrives on manipulating the press.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/09/news-media-agree-we-got-played-again-trum p

Can you honestly say the HC plays that same manipulative game? Quite frankly, I can't remember any candidate in history (either party) that has dealt with the press & media like the exploits of Trump. That's not something to be proud of, but this is who he is.



 

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Quite frankly, I can't remember any candidate in history (either party) that has dealt with the press & media like the exploits of Trump. That's not something to be proud of, but this is who he is.

You're right, he has mastered the art of exploiting mass media. I think historically it would have been more difficult to manipulate the press to the extent that Trump has, but with the advent of internet blogs, social media, Twitter, and even 24-hour cable news channels the opportunities today are practically limitless. Even the so-called mainstream media has had to lower it's standards of vetting and verifying stories in order to complete.

 

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Quite frankly, I can't remember any candidate in history (either party) that has dealt with the press & media like the exploits of Trump. That's not something to be proud of, but this is who he is.

You're right, he has mastered the art of exploiting mass media. I think historically it would have been more difficult to manipulate the press to the extent that Trump has, but with the advent of internet blogs, social media, Twitter, and even 24-hour cable news channels the opportunities today are practically limitless. Even the so-called mainstream media has had to lower it's standards of vetting and verifying stories in order to complete.


There is a different type of "normal" applied to the daily rants, lies, and demagoguery of Trump than other candidates both GOP and Dem. in this cycle as well as historical elections. It's pretty much a given that Trump operates on a much lower standard, and the media has had to adapt accordingly in attempts to deal with him.

I like how he's now getting ahead of the debates with his "rigged" depiction so he can downplay if he doesn't perform well. He's shared his views with his pals, the media.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-says-most-upcoming-debates-are-rigged- against-him/


 

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Quite frankly, I can't remember any candidate in history (either party) that has dealt with the press & media like the exploits of Trump. That's not something to be proud of, but this is who he is.

You're right, he has mastered the art of exploiting mass media. I think historically it would have been more difficult to manipulate the press to the extent that Trump has, but with the advent of internet blogs, social media, Twitter, and even 24-hour cable news channels the opportunities today are practically limitless. Even the so-called mainstream media has had to lower it's standards of vetting and verifying stories in order to complete.


There is a different type of "normal" applied to the daily rants, lies, and demagoguery of Trump than other candidates both GOP and Dem. in this cycle as well as historical elections. It's pretty much a given that Trump operates on a much lower standard, and the media has had to adapt accordingly in attempts to deal with him.

I like how he's now getting ahead of the debates with his "rigged" depiction so he can downplay if he doesn't perform well. He's shared his views with his pals, the media.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-says-most-upcoming-debates-are-rigged- against-him/

That interview proves Gary Johnson is right. Trump is a pussy.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2016 at 02:27 PM
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The media is not happy with anything Trump has to say, there is not much people can do about a terror attack, except if you see someone leaves a bag someplace, well that's a sign, because in NY if someone leaves a bag someplace, someone else would steal it so you wouldn't just see it sitting there.


You realize that Donald loves to hate on the media yet use them for as much free PR as he can get.


If you say so.....but why do Liberals complain about the volume of coverage devoted to Hillary's email exploits, Benghazi, ect. After all, it's just "free PR," right?

Funny how that works.

Who's complaining?


Nobody.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/12/media/hillary-clinton-pneumonia/

Millions in "free PR." She didn't have to pay a dime for it!


Nobody at all...

http://fortune.com/2016/09/08/matt-lauer-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/



Nah, not much complaining....

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-09-06/medias-sexist-coverage-of -hillary-clinton

"Free PR" that didn't she didn't have to pay for!


And if that's not enough even Hillary herself is in on it. Nobody complaining, though....

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/09/hillary-finally-holds-press-conference -complains-about-media-coverage/

Doesn't she realize all the value that this "free PR" represents?


And why are so many leftists outraged over the Matt Lauer interview? All he did is ask her an email question or two. Just more "free PR" for HRC but they got mad at poor Matt anyway.....Strange.

 
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