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Read complete article at http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/us/politics/donald-trump-birther-obama.ht ml

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Donald Trump Again Won’t Acknowledge Obama Was Born in U.S.
By ALAN RAPPEPORT - SEPT. 15, 2016


WASHINGTON — Donald J. Trump has refused again to acknowledge that President Obama was born in the United States, reviving the so-called birther issue that the Republican presidential nominee has played down since announcing his campaign last year.

The resurfacing of Mr. Trump’s doubts about Mr. Obama’s birthplace — in an interview with The Washington Post that was published on Thursday — comes less than two months before the general election and as he has been working more aggressively to court minority voters.

Late Thursday, in an effort at damage control, a Trump spokesman issued a statement saying that “Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States.”

But the statement, by Jason Miller, a senior communications adviser, goes on to falsely blame Hillary Clinton for starting rumors about Mr. Obama’s birth in the 2008 campaign, and it then called her “weak” for not getting the question answered.

The statement actually credits Mr. Trump for settling the issue, saying — again falsely — that he “obtained” Mr. Obama’s birth certificate, which the president released in 2011.

“Mr. Trump did a great service to the President and the country by bringing closure to the issue that Hillary Clinton and her team first raised,” Mr. Miller’s statement said.

But in The Post interview, Mr. Trump said something entirely different when asked about Mr. Obama’s birthplace.

“I’ll answer that question at the right time,” Mr. Trump said. “I just don’t want to answer it yet.”

 

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Read complete article at http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/us/politics/donald-trump-birther-obama.ht ml

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Donald Trump Again Won’t Acknowledge Obama Was Born in U.S.
By ALAN RAPPEPORT - SEPT. 15, 2016


WASHINGTON — Donald J. Trump has refused again to acknowledge that President Obama was born in the United States, reviving the so-called birther issue that the Republican presidential nominee has played down since announcing his campaign last year.

The resurfacing of Mr. Trump’s doubts about Mr. Obama’s birthplace — in an interview with The Washington Post that was published on Thursday — comes less than two months before the general election and as he has been working more aggressively to court minority voters.

Late Thursday, in an effort at damage control, a Trump spokesman issued a statement saying that “Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States.”

But the statement, by Jason Miller, a senior communications adviser, goes on to falsely blame Hillary Clinton for starting rumors about Mr. Obama’s birth in the 2008 campaign, and it then called her “weak” for not getting the question answered.

The statement actually credits Mr. Trump for settling the issue, saying — again falsely — that he “obtained” Mr. Obama’s birth certificate, which the president released in 2011.

“Mr. Trump did a great service to the President and the country by bringing closure to the issue that Hillary Clinton and her team first raised,” Mr. Miller’s statement said.

But in The Post interview, Mr. Trump said something entirely different when asked about Mr. Obama’s birthplace.

“I’ll answer that question at the right time,” Mr. Trump said. “I just don’t want to answer it yet.”



So full of $hit. "He did a great service to the President and the country". Only an unintelligent individual would find sincerity in that released statement. Trump is about as disingenuous a person as there is. Is it not obvious that this statement was calculated with attempts to up his votes.

I'd be more interested in seeing the information that his investigators had found to prove Trump's assertion that Obama is not an American, etc.

Trump is a birther through & through.

 

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There were reasons and considerable information as to why people questioned the birth certificate that was released. Alex Jones had a segment on it, showing anamolies with it and how the final product submitted looked like it was photo shopped. You should watch that video where they show you that and consider it.

First what one person says is THE REAL CERTIFICATE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKsNLZ8qrE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTIP-FIw-mo

http://www.infowars.com/obama-birth-certificate-raises-as-many-questions-as -it-answers/

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movemen t-098513

So here’s a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers:

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

[look at the date, why is the ink of the "1" in the year a different color than the rest of the numbers, and it is not even a typed 1, it looks like it was handwritten as just a single line]

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele.”


Why should Trump have to cave in to opinions that others hold to be politically correct? If he did that people would say he is changing his position like many other politicians do. He is standing his ground and holding to his beliefs. You should give him credit for that.





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There were reasons and considerable information as to why people questioned the birth certificate that was released. Alex Jones had a segment on it, showing anamolies with it and how the final product submitted looked like it was photo shopped. You should watch that video where they show you that and consider it.

Why should Trump have to cave in to opinions that others hold to be politically correct? If he did that people would say he is changing his position like many other politicians do. He is standing his ground and holding to his beliefs. You should give him credit for that.




'President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Period. Now we all want to get back to making America strong and great again.' - Donald Trump, about 90 minutes ago.

So, gina, did Trump just cave on his beliefs, and do you find that admirable?

 

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I think he does not want that issue to be a distraction to his own campaign at this point. I do not think he changed his view.

 

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Some interesting disclosures in here. But he has had 8 years in the W.H. so if anything, people could say some of the things he has done while being the Prez advanced socialism or the policies leaned in that direction. In a country with 320 million people Capitalism probably does not work too effectively, judging by the number in poverty etc. etc. His administration has done some positive things for poor, disenfranchised people. All I know is that I read his IQ is 153 and that he previously worked for the intelligence community, which I think is true because he is cool, calm, assertive and decisive which are qualities an operative has to have to do any intelligence work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y

If he is a closet Muslim, so what, I don't think that is a big deal, but his going to Pakistan in 1981, well now, that means he would have been there around the time Osama was organizing and coordinating efforts for the Afghan jihad. If he was born in Kenya, well he left there by age 10 and created quite a legacy for himself. Maybe we don't need a law saying that someone has to be a natural born citizen to be able to run for public office. Why does that really matter, we could have and do have clueless people who run and get in office and they do nothing for us. So maybe it's not a big deal where he was born.



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I think he does not want that issue to be a distraction to his own campaign at this point. I do not think he changed his view.

If he says things that do not reflect his views just to avoid distractions then how do you ever know what his views are? Does he want to ban all Muslims? Does he want to deport all illegals? Does he plan to build a wall and make Mexico pay? Does he want to send ground troops to defeat ISIS? Does he want to raise the minimum wage? Does he want to lower taxes, and if so, for whom? Did he or did he not support the Iraq war or the Libyan invasion? Does he think Japan should have nukes? What is his position on abortion? Does he know what the KKK is and does he disavow? Would he keep the Iran nuclear deal of would he "renegotiate"? He would repeal Obamacare and then do what? How can you be confident that you know his position on any of these issues? Maybe he just said stuff to avoid them being a distraction, and then when they became a distraction he just said something else.

 

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Some interesting disclosures in here. But he has had 8 years in the W.H. so if anything, people could say some of the things he has done while being the Prez advanced socialism or the policies leaned in that direction. In a country with 320 million people Capitalism probably does not work too effectively, judging by the number in poverty etc. etc. His administration has done some positive things for poor, disenfranchised people. All I know is that I read his IQ is 153 and that he previously worked for the intelligence community, which I think is true because he is cool, calm, assertive and decisive which are qualities an operative has to have to do any intelligence work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y

If he is a closet Muslim, so what, I don't think that is a big deal, but his going to Pakistan in 1981, well now, that means he would have been there around the time Osama was organizing and coordinating efforts for the Afghan jihad. If he was born in Kenya, well he left there by age 10 and created quite a legacy for himself. Maybe we don't need a law saying that someone has to be a natural born citizen to be able to run for public office. Why does that really matter, we could have and do have clueless people who run and get in office and they do nothing for us. So maybe it's not a big deal where he was born.



[Edited on 9/16/2016 by gina]


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If he is a closet Muslim, so what, I don't think that is a big deal, but his going to Pakistan in 1981, well now, that means he would have been there around the time Osama was organizing and coordinating efforts for the Afghan jihad.

LOL...So Obama is a foreign born Muslim terrorist and Hillary is dying from dementia, Parkinson's, and a seizure disorder, not to mention that Putin is poisoning her. But Trump is A-OK. Got it.

 

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I think he does not want that issue to be a distraction to his own campaign at this point. I do not think he changed his view.


You just reinforced my point. He wants more votes. At this stage, his shallow change of "heart" will probably not garner one more vote. I do agree that he hasn't changed his view.

He probably never believed that Obama wasn't legit. Instead, Trump used this as an issue to make it about Trump & gain entrance & acceptance into the GOP. Isn't everything always about Trump? It worked well, and that's one of the reasons he has a big following in the GOP and Alt Right. Look at how many people believe what he amped up. What does that say about those individuals?

 

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I think he does not want that issue to be a distraction to his own campaign at this point. I do not think he changed his view.


If he says things that do not reflect his views just to avoid distractions then how do you ever know what his views are? Does he want to ban all Muslims? Does he want to deport all illegals? Does he plan to build a wall and make Mexico pay? Does he want to send ground troops to defeat ISIS? Does he want to raise the minimum wage? Does he want to lower taxes, and if so, for whom? Did he or did he not support the Iraq war or the Libyan invasion? Does he think Japan should have nukes? What is his position on abortion? Does he know what the KKK is and does he disavow? Would he keep the Iran nuclear deal of would he "renegotiate"? He would repeal Obamacare and then do what? How can you be confident that you know his position on any of these issues? Maybe he just said stuff to avoid them being a distraction, and then when they became a distraction he just said something else.


His views on the other issues have been consistent and he has published them. I put up a thread with links to the positions on the issues. Just from what I have read and believe to be true:

1) No he does not want to ban all Muslims, how many Muslims are living here now? He just wants to know those coming here are not coming here to do attacks. I know his ideas about monitoring masjids and the sermons going on there seem a little over the top, but that was done in France and they found what they believed to be cause to close them down because they were inciting attacks in a nation that is trying to prevent any more attacks on their people.

2) On the issue of deportation of illegals, he recently said he did not want to break up families of those already here.

3) Yes he will build a wall, and Mexico will pay for it. Whether they pay separately for it, or pay via taxes on goods coming into the US from there that goes to subsidize it that needs more clarification, but he is quite clear they will pay for the wall, and he will build it.

4) I doubt he wants to send ground troops to defeat Isis. Isis is not contained in just one country, and I have read things recently that they [Isis] are not even concerned if they are defeated in Syria, they are expanding their bases in Libya, Africa and Saudi Arabia. It is almost as if Syria was a test run to establish a caliphate, see what works, what doesn't; I know this from Islamic prophecy, when the govt. in Saudi Arabia goes down (and many things happen before that time), the army that will be unstoppable will have 200 million people who rise up and come from Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Egypt, Saudi and those other nations heading to Jerusalem. If they decided now to try to take Jerusalem, they would not be successful. They know the prophecies so they would not try that now. The US plans joint strikes with Russia on the bases in Syria that is what is coming in the short term.

5) He is not big about raising the minimum wage as much as Hillary wants to raise it. He would go to $10, she will push for $12. He has said we cannot compete with foreign countries and the goods they produce if we raise it more than $10.

6) Yes to lowering taxes, FOR EVERYONE. Create THREE tax brackets, with the lowest one being a lower percentage than it is now. This is a win-win for poor people, they will keep more of their money. He will make rich people pay more, they may get breaks and other incentives but everyone will benefit.

7) Iraq war? Libyan invasion. I don't think he supported the Iraqi invasion and war, and I know he doesn't think it should have taken as long as it has. We just sent 400 more special forces troops there last week, and while we were doing that, the Shiites sent 1,000 fighters to Syria, so that war ain't never done. Libya - that was a deceitful war. Moammar Qaddafi wanted to create an African union monetary system, and not be trading in US dollars. That is why he was taken out of power. That is the real reason. As one person says "if you mess with the dough, you got to go", and I don't want to compare Colonel Qaddafi to Jesus, but I think the issue of challenging the financial system that was in place during Jesus' time was one of the reasons the Romans were at odds with him. People asked him, if they should pay unfair taxes, and his answer was "give to Caesar what is Caesar's, give to God what belongs to him" (God's portion was the 10% of a persons income to be used for charitable purposes). Jesus overturned the tables in the Temple, and told them they were making his Father's house a den of thieves and chastised them as moneychangers. Doesn't matter if it is thousands of years later, financial systems and those in charge of them do not want to be challenged.

8) Japan having nukes? I don't think he has spoken about that.

9) Abortion - I do not think he favors it, I don't know if he would seek to change it on the federal level or delegate the responsibility to the states and communities.

10) Does he know what the KKK is? Yes I am sure he does. He did not officially disavow them as on organization, this is a free country or they would have been run out of town by now. He disavowed the leader's endorsement of him. He did not seek it or accept it. He has a long record of trying to be fair to people from all ethniticies and races.

11) The Iran Deal - he has criticized it continually, and I think he would re-negotiate something more equitable.

10) Yes Obamacare in it's present form will be repealed. It will be replaced by other coverage available to people. I don't think he will force people to buy coverage they cannot afford to use (Obamacare now has big deductibles of at least $5,000 before the plans pay the 60,70 or 80% of the Usual Customary Rate for procedures and treatment - providers can then bill you the rest of what the Obamacare did not pay). The financial subsidies were legislated for one year of coverage, then the person who has the plan may not be eligible for that subsidy anymore and their premium cost skyrockets, and their co-pay becomes something they cannot pay. Trump said he would encourage competition between states to lower prices. Bernie Sanders achieved affordable plans for his state, he could check with him if need be. NY is beyond ridiculous in plan costs.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions



[Edited on 9/16/2016 by gina]

 

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I think he does not want that issue to be a distraction to his own campaign at this point. I do not think he changed his view.


If he says things that do not reflect his views just to avoid distractions then how do you ever know what his views are? Does he want to ban all Muslims? Does he want to deport all illegals? Does he plan to build a wall and make Mexico pay? Does he want to send ground troops to defeat ISIS? Does he want to raise the minimum wage? Does he want to lower taxes, and if so, for whom? Did he or did he not support the Iraq war or the Libyan invasion? Does he think Japan should have nukes? What is his position on abortion? Does he know what the KKK is and does he disavow? Would he keep the Iran nuclear deal of would he "renegotiate"? He would repeal Obamacare and then do what? How can you be confident that you know his position on any of these issues? Maybe he just said stuff to avoid them being a distraction, and then when they became a distraction he just said something else.


His views on the other issues have been consistent and he has published them. I put up a thread with links to the positions on the issues. Just from what I have read and believe to be true:

1) No he does not want to ban all Muslims, how many Muslims are living here now? He just wants to know those coming here are not coming here to do attacks. I know his ideas about monitoring masjids and the sermons going on there seem a little over the top, but that was done in France and they found what they believed to be cause to close them down because they were inciting attacks in a nation that is trying to prevent any more attacks on their people.

2) On the issue of deportation of illegals, he recently said he did not want to break up families of those already here.

3) Yes he will build a wall, and Mexico will pay for it. Whether they pay separately for it, or pay via taxes on goods coming into the US from there that goes to subsidize it that needs more clarification, but he is quite clear they will pay for the wall, and he will build it.

4) I doubt he wants to send ground troops to defeat Isis. Isis is not contained in just one country, and I have read things recently that they [Isis] are not even concerned if they are defeated in Syria, they are expanding their bases in Libya, Africa and Saudi Arabia. It is almost as if Syria was a test run to establish a caliphate, see what works, what doesn't; I know this from Islamic prophecy, when the govt. in Saudi Arabia goes down (and many things happen before that time), the army that will be unstoppable will have 200 million people who rise up and come from Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Egypt, Saudi and those other nations heading to Jerusalem. If they decided now to try to take Jerusalem, they would not be successful. They know the prophecies so they would not try that now. The US plans joint strikes with Russia on the bases in Syria that is what is coming in the short term.

5) He is not big about raising the minimum wage as much as Hillary wants to raise it. He would go to $10, she will push for $12. He has said we cannot compete with foreign countries and the goods they produce if we raise it more than $10.

6) Yes to lowering taxes, FOR EVERYONE. Create THREE tax brackets, with the lowest one being a lower percentage than it is now. This is a win-win for poor people, they will keep more of their money. He will make rich people pay more, they may get breaks and other incentives but everyone will benefit.

7) Iraq war? Libyan invasion. I don't think he supported the Iraqi invasion and war, and I know he doesn't think it should have taken as long as it has. We just sent 400 more special forces troops there last week, and while we were doing that, the Shiites sent 1,000 fighters to Syria, so that war ain't never done. Libya - that was a deceitful war. Moammar Qaddafi wanted to create an African union monetary system, and not be trading in US dollars. That is why he was taken out of power. That is the real reason. As one person says "if you mess with the dough, you got to go", and I don't want to compare Colonel Qaddafi to Jesus, but I think the issue of challenging the financial system that was in place during Jesus' time was one of the reasons the Romans were at odds with him. People asked him, if they should pay unfair taxes, and his answer was "give to Caesar what is Caesar's, give to God what belongs to him" (God's portion was the 10% of a persons income to be used for charitable purposes). Jesus overturned the tables in the Temple, and told them they were making his Father's house a den of thieves and chastised them as moneychangers. Doesn't matter if it is thousands of years later, financial systems and those in charge of them do not want to be challenged.

8) Japan having nukes? I don't think he has spoken about that.

9) Abortion - I do not think he favors it, I don't know if he would seek to change it on the federal level or delegate the responsibility to the states and communities.

10) Does he know what the KKK is? Yes I am sure he does. He did not officially disavow them as on organization, this is a free country or they would have been run out of town by now. He disavowed the leader's endorsement of him. He did not seek it or accept it. He has a long record of trying to be fair to people from all ethniticies and races.

11) The Iran Deal - he has criticized it continually, and I think he would re-negotiate something more equitable.

10) Yes Obamacare in it's present form will be repealed. It will be replaced by other coverage available to people. I don't think he will force people to buy coverage they cannot afford to use (Obamacare now has big deductibles of at least $5,000 before the plans pay the 60,70 or 80% of the Usual Customary Rate for procedures and treatment - providers can then bill you the rest of what the Obamacare did not pay). The financial subsidies were legislated for one year of coverage, then the person who has the plan may not be eligible for that subsidy anymore and their premium cost skyrockets, and their co-pay becomes something they cannot pay. Trump said he would encourage competition between states to lower prices. Bernie Sanders achieved affordable plans for his state, he could check with him if need be. NY is beyond ridiculous in plan costs.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions


He has had different positions on every one of those issues during the course of the campaign. He said he changed his position on the Obama birther issue, but you said he didn't change he was faking it. So why do you believe in any of his changed positions on the other issues?

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Donald J. Trump publicly retreated from his “birther” campaign on Friday, tersely acknowledging that President Obama was born in the United States and saying that he wanted to move on from the conspiracy theory that he has been clinging to for years.

Mr. Trump made no apology for and took no questions about what had amounted to a five-year-long smear of the nation’s first black president. Instead, he claimed, falsely, that questions about Mr. Obama’s citizenship were initially stirred by the Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, in her unsuccessful primary contest with Mr. Obama in 2008.

Still, Mr. Trump’s brief remarks, tacked onto the end of a campaign appearance with military veterans at his new hotel in downtown Washington, amounted to a sharp reversal from a position he has publicly maintained, over howls of outrage from all but the far-right extreme of the political spectrum, since 2011.

“President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period,” Mr. Trump said. “Now, we all want to get back to making America strong and great again.”


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So now its unAmerican to question things? He spent his own time and money doing more investigating than the MSM did combined and came to a conclusion. Big deal

 

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So now its unAmerican to question things? He spent his own time and money doing more investigating than the MSM did combined and came to a conclusion. Big deal


He made accusations that had no basis in fact. Even when Obama produced his birth certificate, Trump refused to believe it.

Now, about Trump's tax returns...

 

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You mean Sheriff Joe didn't prove this yet?

 

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So now its unAmerican to question things? He spent his own time and money doing more investigating than the MSM did combined and came to a conclusion. Big deal


He made accusations that had no basis in fact. Even when Obama produced his birth certificate, Trump refused to believe it.

Now, about Trump's tax returns...


And over and over again until all his documents are released. This would include his wife's immigration documents as well as all his foreign dealings.

The Birther incident reminds us that Trump is really a white supremacist. Followers and supporters of white supremacists are indeed racists. To me there is no other way to look at this. We are all complicit in the rise of this vile evil as we engage in equivalence or we say he is forgiven because he is a private citizen.

Trump, by some special privilege we give him, is allowed to hide his documents, yet a black man can not hold higher office with out the approval of the hidden Grand Wizard--believe me the Klan is collectively creaming their pants at the thought of one of their own becoming the president.

 

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So now its unAmerican to question things? He spent his own time and money doing more investigating than the MSM did combined and came to a conclusion. Big deal


And the objective of this effort to dehumanize Obama was racist, which is un-American.


 

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  posted on 9/17/2016 at 08:07 AM
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So now its unAmerican to question things? He spent his own time and money doing more investigating than the MSM did combined and came to a conclusion. Big deal


He said his investigators were turning up things. Goober - we never saw any of that...why not? Answer because it never existed. Goober - who were these investigators? Answer - they probably were a figment of Trump's imagination.

Goober - it is not unAmerican to question things. Is that what what Trump was really doing, or would it be more believable that Trump was conniving all along and showing his racist makeup to position himself for bigger things?

 

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  posted on 9/17/2016 at 02:47 PM
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I think he does not want that issue to be a distraction to his own campaign at this point. I do not think he changed his view.


If he says things that do not reflect his views just to avoid distractions then how do you ever know what his views are? Does he want to ban all Muslims? Does he want to deport all illegals? Does he plan to build a wall and make Mexico pay? Does he want to send ground troops to defeat ISIS? Does he want to raise the minimum wage? Does he want to lower taxes, and if so, for whom? Did he or did he not support the Iraq war or the Libyan invasion? Does he think Japan should have nukes? What is his position on abortion? Does he know what the KKK is and does he disavow? Would he keep the Iran nuclear deal of would he "renegotiate"? He would repeal Obamacare and then do what? How can you be confident that you know his position on any of these issues? Maybe he just said stuff to avoid them being a distraction, and then when they became a distraction he just said something else.


His views on the other issues have been consistent and he has published them. I put up a thread with links to the positions on the issues. Just from what I have read and believe to be true:

1) No he does not want to ban all Muslims, how many Muslims are living here now? He just wants to know those coming here are not coming here to do attacks. I know his ideas about monitoring masjids and the sermons going on there seem a little over the top, but that was done in France and they found what they believed to be cause to close them down because they were inciting attacks in a nation that is trying to prevent any more attacks on their people.

2) On the issue of deportation of illegals, he recently said he did not want to break up families of those already here.

3) Yes he will build a wall, and Mexico will pay for it. Whether they pay separately for it, or pay via taxes on goods coming into the US from there that goes to subsidize it that needs more clarification, but he is quite clear they will pay for the wall, and he will build it.

4) I doubt he wants to send ground troops to defeat Isis. Isis is not contained in just one country, and I have read things recently that they [Isis] are not even concerned if they are defeated in Syria, they are expanding their bases in Libya, Africa and Saudi Arabia. It is almost as if Syria was a test run to establish a caliphate, see what works, what doesn't; I know this from Islamic prophecy, when the govt. in Saudi Arabia goes down (and many things happen before that time), the army that will be unstoppable will have 200 million people who rise up and come from Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Egypt, Saudi and those other nations heading to Jerusalem. If they decided now to try to take Jerusalem, they would not be successful. They know the prophecies so they would not try that now. The US plans joint strikes with Russia on the bases in Syria that is what is coming in the short term.

5) He is not big about raising the minimum wage as much as Hillary wants to raise it. He would go to $10, she will push for $12. He has said we cannot compete with foreign countries and the goods they produce if we raise it more than $10.

6) Yes to lowering taxes, FOR EVERYONE. Create THREE tax brackets, with the lowest one being a lower percentage than it is now. This is a win-win for poor people, they will keep more of their money. He will make rich people pay more, they may get breaks and other incentives but everyone will benefit.

7) Iraq war? Libyan invasion. I don't think he supported the Iraqi invasion and war, and I know he doesn't think it should have taken as long as it has. We just sent 400 more special forces troops there last week, and while we were doing that, the Shiites sent 1,000 fighters to Syria, so that war ain't never done. Libya - that was a deceitful war. Moammar Qaddafi wanted to create an African union monetary system, and not be trading in US dollars. That is why he was taken out of power. That is the real reason. As one person says "if you mess with the dough, you got to go", and I don't want to compare Colonel Qaddafi to Jesus, but I think the issue of challenging the financial system that was in place during Jesus' time was one of the reasons the Romans were at odds with him. People asked him, if they should pay unfair taxes, and his answer was "give to Caesar what is Caesar's, give to God what belongs to him" (God's portion was the 10% of a persons income to be used for charitable purposes). Jesus overturned the tables in the Temple, and told them they were making his Father's house a den of thieves and chastised them as moneychangers. Doesn't matter if it is thousands of years later, financial systems and those in charge of them do not want to be challenged.

8) Japan having nukes? I don't think he has spoken about that.

9) Abortion - I do not think he favors it, I don't know if he would seek to change it on the federal level or delegate the responsibility to the states and communities.

10) Does he know what the KKK is? Yes I am sure he does. He did not officially disavow them as on organization, this is a free country or they would have been run out of town by now. He disavowed the leader's endorsement of him. He did not seek it or accept it. He has a long record of trying to be fair to people from all ethniticies and races.

11) The Iran Deal - he has criticized it continually, and I think he would re-negotiate something more equitable.

10) Yes Obamacare in it's present form will be repealed. It will be replaced by other coverage available to people. I don't think he will force people to buy coverage they cannot afford to use (Obamacare now has big deductibles of at least $5,000 before the plans pay the 60,70 or 80% of the Usual Customary Rate for procedures and treatment - providers can then bill you the rest of what the Obamacare did not pay). The financial subsidies were legislated for one year of coverage, then the person who has the plan may not be eligible for that subsidy anymore and their premium cost skyrockets, and their co-pay becomes something they cannot pay. Trump said he would encourage competition between states to lower prices. Bernie Sanders achieved affordable plans for his state, he could check with him if need be. NY is beyond ridiculous in plan costs.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions


He has had different positions on every one of those issues during the course of the campaign. He said he changed his position on the Obama birther issue, but you said he didn't change he was faking it. So why do you believe in any of his changed positions on the other issues?

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He hasn't changed his mind, he is just being more politically correct and 'presidential' which the press demanded of him.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2016 at 02:49 PM
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I think he does not want that issue to be a distraction to his own campaign at this point. I do not think he changed his view.


You just reinforced my point. He wants more votes. At this stage, his shallow change of "heart" will probably not garner one more vote. I do agree that he hasn't changed his view.

He probably never believed that Obama wasn't legit. Instead, Trump used this as an issue to make it about Trump & gain entrance & acceptance into the GOP. Isn't everything always about Trump? It worked well, and that's one of the reasons he has a big following in the GOP and Alt Right. Look at how many people believe what he amped up. What does that say about those individuals?


What about the evidence that his Mother married Lolo Saetoro and that he went to school in Indonesia till he was ten years old? People seem to miss that. Is that all incorrect? Seems to me it should be able to be verified one way or the other.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2016 at 02:50 PM
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Some interesting disclosures in here. But he has had 8 years in the W.H. so if anything, people could say some of the things he has done while being the Prez advanced socialism or the policies leaned in that direction. In a country with 320 million people Capitalism probably does not work too effectively, judging by the number in poverty etc. etc. His administration has done some positive things for poor, disenfranchised people. All I know is that I read his IQ is 153 and that he previously worked for the intelligence community, which I think is true because he is cool, calm, assertive and decisive which are qualities an operative has to have to do any intelligence work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y

If he is a closet Muslim, so what, I don't think that is a big deal, but his going to Pakistan in 1981, well now, that means he would have been there around the time Osama was organizing and coordinating efforts for the Afghan jihad. If he was born in Kenya, well he left there by age 10 and created quite a legacy for himself. Maybe we don't need a law saying that someone has to be a natural born citizen to be able to run for public office. Why does that really matter, we could have and do have clueless people who run and get in office and they do nothing for us. So maybe it's not a big deal where he was born.



[Edited on 9/16/2016 by gina]


You remain the biggest moron going.


And you remain in your same condescending stance as usual, and are entitled to your opinions, however wrong they may be.



[Edited on 9/17/2016 by gina]

 

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  posted on 9/17/2016 at 02:53 PM
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If he is a closet Muslim, so what, I don't think that is a big deal, but his going to Pakistan in 1981, well now, that means he would have been there around the time Osama was organizing and coordinating efforts for the Afghan jihad.

LOL...So Obama is a foreign born Muslim terrorist and Hillary is dying from dementia, Parkinson's, and a seizure disorder, not to mention that Putin is poisoning her. But Trump is A-OK. Got it.


No one ever said Obama is a terrorist. So why do you say that? It also was not proven if Hillary has vascular dementia or Parkinsons some Dr.'s vieweing the videos believe she could have those things. Where do you come up with "Putin is poisoning her?" have ya been smokin' ganga with Sarah Palin who can see Russia from her house?

 

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  posted on 9/17/2016 at 03:00 PM
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Some interesting disclosures in here. But he has had 8 years in the W.H. so if anything, people could say some of the things he has done while being the Prez advanced socialism or the policies leaned in that direction. In a country with 320 million people Capitalism probably does not work too effectively, judging by the number in poverty etc. etc. His administration has done some positive things for poor, disenfranchised people. All I know is that I read his IQ is 153 and that he previously worked for the intelligence community, which I think is true because he is cool, calm, assertive and decisive which are qualities an operative has to have to do any intelligence work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y

If he is a closet Muslim, so what, I don't think that is a big deal, but his going to Pakistan in 1981, well now, that means he would have been there around the time Osama was organizing and coordinating efforts for the Afghan jihad. If he was born in Kenya, well he left there by age 10 and created quite a legacy for himself. Maybe we don't need a law saying that someone has to be a natural born citizen to be able to run for public office. Why does that really matter, we could have and do have clueless people who run and get in office and they do nothing for us. So maybe it's not a big deal where he was born.



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You remain the biggest moron going.


And you remain in your same condescending stance as usual, and are entitled to your opinions, however wrong they may be.



[Edited on 9/17/2016 by gina]


That is funny, Gina calling someone condescending.


 
 


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