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  posted on 6/27/2016 at 06:21 PM

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. --
A man died in a shootout with police Saturday after he fatally shot his son following an argument with his wife over beer, police said.
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Officers were called Saturday night to a home in Pinellas Park, Florida, after 58-year-old Irena Bogusiewicz and her husband, 59-year-old Waldemar Bogusiewicz, got into an argument at their home. Waldemar Bogusiewicz had been drinking and an argument over who would go to buy more beer got heated, according to police.
As tensions escalated, the couple's son, 25-year-old Adrian Bogusiewicz, went to see what was going on between his parents.
"The wife left the residence because of her husband's demeanor and then called the police, leaving the son and husband alone in the home," police said in a news release.
Officers met Irena Bogusiewicz down the street from the family's home. Shortly after she and the officers arrived back at the house, police spotted Adrian Bogusiewicz dead of multiple gunshot wounds in his bedroom.
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"At this time the husband was observed in the home with a gun in his hand and began yelling for the officers to leave, at which time he began shooting at the officers," according to Pinellas Park police.
Irena Bogusiewicz fled from the home, yelling that her husband had a gun. Two officers returned fire, fatally wounding Waldemar Bogusiewicz. The officers were not injured.
Waldemar Bogusiewicz was pronounced dead at Northside Hospital in St. Petersburg.
A search of the house turned up multiple firearms in the son's and the master bedroom, according to authorities.
Police identified the officers who shot at Waldemar Bogusiewicz as M. Jasiukiewicz and J. Copeland. Jasiukiewicz joined the police department in September 2012. Copeland joined in April 2015. Per department policy, both officers were placed on paid administrative leave as the investigation into the shooting continues.
The Pinellas Park Police Department and the Pinellas County State Attorney's Office are investigating the confrontation.

 
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  posted on 6/27/2016 at 06:35 PM
Is this an add for the NRA...the more intelligent folks around..and where is trump?

 

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  posted on 6/27/2016 at 06:54 PM
You can see the typical trend forming here. Gun ownership somehow being linked to a
lack of intelligence. Good luck with it.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2016 at 06:59 PM
Well, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
 

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You can see the typical trend forming here. Gun ownership somehow being linked to a
lack of intelligence. Good luck with it.
No, only in your case

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 08:49 AM
The tolerance crowd is really showing their true colors.

We can't say "retarded" or "midget" cause it lies within that little box of conceptual application in their ideological principles & philosophies. Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.

In most cases, alcohol abuse makes anybody make poor choices. From my perspective the alcohol is the blame and not the firearms. Maybe the father and son would be alive still if there were no guns in the home, but I guarantee they'd still be alive if they were not drinking.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 09:19 AM
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We can't say "retarded" or "midget" cause it lies within that little box of conceptual application in their ideological principles & philosophies. Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.

This is a huge stretch in an attempt to connect dots that just don't connect.

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In most cases, alcohol abuse makes anybody make poor choices. From my perspective the alcohol is the blame and not the firearms. Maybe the father and son would be alive still if there were no guns in the home, but I guarantee they'd still be alive if they were not drinking.

Guns and booze are just a bad combination.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 09:59 AM
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The tolerance crowd is really showing their true colors.

We can't say "retarded" or "midget" cause it lies within that little box of conceptual application in their ideological principles & philosophies. Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.



Funny how that works, but it's the same old story. If you're in disagreement with any given
position it's not simply a difference in philosophy, and couldn't be grounded in any type of
reasonable thought process.

It means there is something wrong with you as person!

If it's not a lack of intelligence, it's racism, some type of mental problem, what have you.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 11:06 AM
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The tolerance crowd is really showing their true colors.

We can't say "retarded" or "midget" cause it lies within that little box of conceptual application in their ideological principles & philosophies. Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.



Funny how that works, but it's the same old story. If you're in disagreement with any given
position it's not simply a difference in philosophy, and couldn't be grounded in any type of
reasonable thought process.

It means there is something wrong with you as person!

If it's not a lack of intelligence, it's racism, some type of mental problem, what have you.


Yet, when you would accuse people of having "Bush Derangement Syndrome," that was just fine. Nothin' beats walkin' the walk, huh?

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 11:09 AM
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Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.


Can I call a guy that kills his own son a murderer, or is that anti-2nd Amendment too?

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 11:32 AM
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In most cases, alcohol abuse makes anybody make poor choices. From my perspective the alcohol is the blame and not the firearms. Maybe the father and son would be alive still if there were no guns in the home, but I guarantee they'd still be alive if they were not drinking.


Agreed. And I like this because rather than a polarized defensive/offensive standoff, it points to possible solutions. Like disarming crazy people, alcoholics/drug addicts, violent people, somehow.

It isn't a black and white issue, and pissing matches and ego trips don't help.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 12:07 PM
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The tolerance crowd is really showing their true colors.

We can't say "retarded" or "midget" cause it lies within that little box of conceptual application in their ideological principles & philosophies. Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.



Funny how that works, but it's the same old story. If you're in disagreement with any given
position it's not simply a difference in philosophy, and couldn't be grounded in any type of
reasonable thought process.

It means there is something wrong with you as person!

If it's not a lack of intelligence, it's racism, some type of mental problem, what have you.


Yet, when you would accuse people of having "Bush Derangement Syndrome," that was just fine. Nothin' beats walkin' the walk, huh?



Oh yeah? You forgot about that time I sneezed in nursery school. I guess this evens
everything out in your mind.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 12:09 PM
Sneezing was ok if your parents caved in to mandatory vaccination.
 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 12:11 PM
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The tolerance crowd is really showing their true colors.

We can't say "retarded" or "midget" cause it lies within that little box of conceptual application in their ideological principles & philosophies. Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.



Funny how that works, but it's the same old story. If you're in disagreement with any given
position it's not simply a difference in philosophy, and couldn't be grounded in any type of
reasonable thought process.

It means there is something wrong with you as person!

If it's not a lack of intelligence, it's racism, some type of mental problem, what have you.


Yet, when you would accuse people of having "Bush Derangement Syndrome," that was just fine. Nothin' beats walkin' the walk, huh?



Oh yeah? You forgot about that time I sneezed in nursery school. I guess this evens
everything out in your mind.


Exactly as expected. Judge others for behavior you yourself happily partake in. The innate self-righteousness of conservatives is a thing to behold. Best people around, just ask them.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 12:29 PM
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The tolerance crowd is really showing their true colors.

We can't say "retarded" or "midget" cause it lies within that little box of conceptual application in their ideological principles & philosophies. Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.



Funny how that works, but it's the same old story. If you're in disagreement with any given
position it's not simply a difference in philosophy, and couldn't be grounded in any type of
reasonable thought process.

It means there is something wrong with you as person!

If it's not a lack of intelligence, it's racism, some type of mental problem, what have you.


Yet, when you would accuse people of having "Bush Derangement Syndrome," that was just fine. Nothin' beats walkin' the walk, huh?



Oh yeah? You forgot about that time I sneezed in nursery school. I guess this evens
everything out in your mind.


Exactly as expected. Judge others for behavior you yourself happily partake in. The innate self-righteousness of conservatives is a thing to behold. Best people around, just ask them.


Hold on. So were not unhinged wing nuts, racist idiots, and just meanies in general?

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 12:38 PM
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The tolerance crowd is really showing their true colors.

We can't say "retarded" or "midget" cause it lies within that little box of conceptual application in their ideological principles & philosophies. Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.



Funny how that works, but it's the same old story. If you're in disagreement with any given
position it's not simply a difference in philosophy, and couldn't be grounded in any type of
reasonable thought process.

It means there is something wrong with you as person!

If it's not a lack of intelligence, it's racism, some type of mental problem, what have you.


Yet, when you would accuse people of having "Bush Derangement Syndrome," that was just fine. Nothin' beats walkin' the walk, huh?



Oh yeah? You forgot about that time I sneezed in nursery school. I guess this evens
everything out in your mind.


Exactly as expected. Judge others for behavior you yourself happily partake in. The innate self-righteousness of conservatives is a thing to behold. Best people around, just ask them.


Hold on. So were not unhinged wing nuts, racist idiots, and just meanies in general?


Nope, not a bad person in the whole bunch. Perfect as perfect gets, would never insult anyone. Not a fault among them.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 02:43 PM
Nothing gives me more pleasure than watching Bhawk carve up Alloak on a daily basis. Talk about different leagues.
 

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The tolerance crowd is really showing their true colors.

We can't say "retarded" or "midget" cause it lies within that little box of conceptual application in their ideological principles & philosophies. Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.



Funny how that works, but it's the same old story. If you're in disagreement with any given
position it's not simply a difference in philosophy, and couldn't be grounded in any type of
reasonable thought process.

It means there is something wrong with you as person!

If it's not a lack of intelligence, it's racism, some type of mental problem, what have you.


Yet, when you would accuse people of having "Bush Derangement Syndrome," that was just fine. Nothin' beats walkin' the walk, huh?



Oh yeah? You forgot about that time I sneezed in nursery school. I guess this evens
everything out in your mind.


Exactly as expected. Judge others for behavior you yourself happily partake in. The innate self-righteousness of conservatives is a thing to behold. Best people around, just ask them.


Hold on. So were not unhinged wing nuts, racist idiots, and just meanies in general?

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Never forget the liberals incessant need to label people who disagree with their political agenda.

All they have is class warfare, identity politics and Hillary Clinton being that they already threw Bernie Sanders under the bus.


 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 03:28 PM
If he was a legal gun owner, cleared the necessary checks, then the only way to prevent that from happening is to totally disarm the entire population and no one will agree to that because of isolated incidents of stupid people who lack coping skills and judgement from inappropriately using their guns.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 06:31 PM
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Yet it is okay to demean somebody by attaching derogatory sentiments due to something they own.


Can I call a guy that kills his own son a murderer, or is that anti-2nd Amendment too?


In context, it has nothing to do what with what you quoted I said. You saying that is based on an action the man did and not about item he possesses in his home..

The man has to be charged, tried, and convicted of that particular crime to be called that in "reality". (Presumably) he was drunk and didn't premeditate the crime beforehand, that is voluntary manslaughter.


[Edited on 6/28/2016 by gotdrumz]

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 06:37 PM
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In most cases, alcohol abuse makes anybody make poor choices. From my perspective the alcohol is the blame and not the firearms. Maybe the father and son would be alive still if there were no guns in the home, but I guarantee they'd still be alive if they were not drinking.


Agreed. And I like this because rather than a polarized defensive/offensive standoff, it points to possible solutions. Like disarming crazy people, alcoholics/drug addicts, violent people, somehow.

It isn't a black and white issue, and pissing matches and ego trips don't help.


It's a human issue and not a political one (IMHO)

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 06:40 PM
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The innate self-righteousness of conservatives is a thing to behold. Best people around, just ask them.


I don't know what planet you live on, but that can be said about "everyone" regardless of their affiliations.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 07:36 PM
The title of this thread is perfect for this:

The Biggest Farce Going on’: Charlie Daniels Unloads on Fellow Musicians Asking for More Gun Control After Orlando Shooting
Jun. 27, 2016 4:11pm Jon Street

Country music legend Charlie Daniels is speaking out after 200 music artists and industry executives called on the U.S. government to enact stricter gun control measures in the wake of the Orlando nightclub shooting that left 49 people dead and dozens more injured.

Among the celebrities who signed an open letter to Congres, published on the cover of Billboard following the deadly massacre, were Billy Joel, Katy Perry, Paul McCartney, Britney Spears, Cher, Lady Gaga, Jennifer Lopez, Joe Jonas, Kesha, Alicia Keys, Ringo Starr, Christina Aguilera, the Dixie Chicks and dozens more music icons.

“This is the biggest farce going on. It’s just political,” Daniels told Fox News in response to the letter.

“I don’t give a damn who signed that thing on Billboard. They don’t shoot guns. They don’t know anything about them,” he added. “What they do know is what they think is the popular opinion and I guarantee you, Orlando is just one guy. Wait until there are five or six of them.”

The comments came just days after Daniels took to his blog to blast President Barack Obama’s response to the shooting.

“Our president’s first reaction is, of course, more gun control, as if passing more gun laws that would effect only the law abiding citizens would actually take the guns out of the hands of the terrorists. Dream on, Mr. President,” Daniels wrote.

Daniels further described the issue of guns with that of drunken driving, saying that you can’t solve the problem by taking cars off the road.

“You’ll clean it up by taking the bad drivers off of the road,” Daniels said, according to Fox News.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2016 at 07:46 PM
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I guarantee you, Orlando is just one guy. Wait until there are five or six of them.


. . .


Maybe we are all barking up the wrong tree. How about mandatory gun ownership for everyone? Kind of a Ballistopia, where we just as soon shoot people as look at em. Don't like the price of your grocery bill? Shoot the cashier. Someone cut in front of you at the ball game? Blam. Mulitple vehicle gridlock roadrage, rat-a-tat-tat... And so on.

Nothing in the Constitution about a right to NOT bear arms!

 

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  posted on 6/29/2016 at 12:03 AM
We need to legalize dueling so those who have issues and need to shoot their guns can have a legal way of solving their problems with another person and get their gun violence warm fuzziness on

Every city has a dueling arena were you meet and shoot at each other....make it cool to slap each other across the face with a red hanky and challenge each other to a gun fight to the death...

we also need banana clip day....all NRA member collect together in a designated area load their banana clips sit on their guns and fire away....

excuse me I have fun with all the extremes people talk about so I thought I'd add some more cloud level nonsense thinking

The NRA is a club....why the phuc we let a club have anything to say will always baffle me....

reminds me of a bunch of children hiding together in a home made fort under the dinning table

 

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