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  posted on 1/13/2016 at 07:19 PM
i don't know. i remember reading. and may have posted, that there is a problem with how long his mother was a citizen of USA. i can't for the life of me find it now. also i drink alot and can't remember what rule was.

as i recall there is a certain age or number of years she needed to live in the USA to be a citizen. seems i read she moved to canada at an early age maybe? she might not have met the requirement.. like i said i drink alot......but i saw that somewhere 3-4 months ago.

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  posted on 1/13/2016 at 07:53 PM
Who cares? He won't be elected. His biggest accomplishment as a GOP Senator is advocating for and leading naive HOR GOP Congressmen to close down the government. I've got $100.00 open bet to anyone who thinks he'll be the next POTUS.
 

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  posted on 1/13/2016 at 08:09 PM
well thanks for your thoughts, but that wasn't the point of my post. LOL

i was hoping someone would help finding this obscure rule about his mother. I know i saw it somewhere.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2016 at 08:10 PM
He is already married.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2016 at 08:35 PM
noooo, it was a very obscure rule about his mother and her age and when she moved to canada. i wish i could find it.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2016 at 08:45 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/ted-cruz-mother-canadian-voter-list

 

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  posted on 1/13/2016 at 09:13 PM
that might be what i'm talking about. what i read was from last year....summer or fall, i forget. as i recall, correctly or not, that it had something to do with ted's grandmother moving his mother to cananda before she was of an age that would have made her an american citizen. i think it said her mother was canadian but moved to america and had a child, his mother, but moved back to canada before she met some kind of age requirement to be a us citizen.

maybe this story answers that, i just remember a better explanation.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2016 at 09:20 PM
she could not have been a Canadian citizen at the time her son was born because of residency requirements. Eleanor Cruz was born in Delaware,

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was some law or rule that she had to live in the USA until a certain age and she didn't.

that is way i remember the story.....like i said....i may be full of crap or not remembering things right.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2016 at 11:52 PM
Constitutional lawyers (real ones) have affirmed Ted Cruz's eligibility.

The bipartisan answer is:

"While questions about Canadian-born Sen. Ted Cruz’s eligibility to be president haven’t drawn much attention outside of the media, two former Justice Department lawyers have weighed in with a bipartisan verdict: Cruz, they say, is eligible to run for the White House.

Neal Katyal, acting solicitor general in the Obama administration, and Paul Clemente, solicitor general in President George W. Bush’s administration, got out in front of the issue in a Harvard Law Review article.

“There is no question that Senator Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a ‘natural born Citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution,” they wrote."

 

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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 12:16 AM
By Mary Brigid McManamon
Special To The Washington Post

Donald Trump is actually right about something: Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, is not a natural-born citizen and therefore is not eligible to be president or vice president of the United States.

The Constitution provides that “No person except a natural born Citizen . . . shall be eligible to the Office of President.” The concept of “natural born” comes from common law, and it is that law the Supreme Court has said we must turn to for the concept's definition. On this subject, common law is clear and unambiguous. The 18th-century English jurist William Blackstone, the pre-eminent authority on it, declared natural-born citizens are “such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England,” while aliens are “such as are born out of it.” The key to this division is the assumption of allegiance to one's country of birth. The Americans who drafted the Constitution adopted this principle for the United States. James Madison, known as the “father of the Constitution,” stated, “It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. . . . (And) place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.”

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Cruz is, of course, a U.S. citizen. As he was born in Canada, he is not natural-born. His mother, however, is an American, and Congress has provided by statute for the naturalization of children born abroad to citizens. Because of the senator's parentage, he did not have to follow the lengthy naturalization process that aliens without American parents must undergo. Instead, Cruz was naturalized at birth. This provision has not always been available. For example, there were several decades in the 19th century when children of Americans born abroad were not given automatic naturalization.

Article I of the Constitution grants Congress the power to naturalize an alien — that is, Congress may remove an alien's legal disabilities, such as not being allowed to vote. But Article II of the Constitution expressly adopts the legal status of the natural-born citizen and requires that a president possess that status. However we feel about allowing naturalized immigrants to reach for the stars, the Constitution must be amended before one of them can attain the office of president. Congress simply does not have the power to convert someone born outside the United States into a natural-born citizen.

Let me be clear: I am not a so-called birther. I am a legal historian. President Barack Obama is without question eligible for the office he serves. The distinction between the president and Cruz is simple: The president was born within the United States, and the senator was born outside of it. That is a distinction with a difference.

In this election cycle, numerous pundits have declared that Cruz is eligible to be president. They rely on a supposed consensus among legal experts. This notion appears to emanate largely from a recent comment in the Harvard Law Review Forum by former solicitors general Neal Katyal and Paul Clement. In trying to put the question of who is a natural-born citizen to rest, however, the authors misunderstand, misapply and ignore the relevant law.

3 important points

First, although Katyal and Clement correctly declare that the Supreme Court has recognized that common law is useful to explain constitutional terms, they ignore that law. Instead, they rely on three radical 18th-century British statutes. While it is understandable for a layperson to make such a mistake, it is unforgivable for two lawyers of such experience to equate common law with statutory law. Common law was unequivocal: Natural-born subjects had to be born in English territory. The then-new statutes were a revolutionary departure from that law.

Second, the authors appropriately ask the question whether the Constitution includes the common-law definition or the statutory approach. But they fail to examine any U.S. sources for the answer. Instead, Katyal and Clement refer to the brand-new British statutes as part of a “longstanding tradition” and conclude that the framers followed that law because they “would have been intimately familiar with these statutes.” But when one reviews all the relevant American writings of the early period, including congressional debates, well-respected treatises and Supreme Court precedent, it becomes clear that the common-law definition was accepted in the United States, not the newfangled British statutory approach.

Third, Katyal and Clement put much weight on the first U.S. naturalization statute, enacted in 1790. Because it contains the phrase “natural born,” they infer that such citizens must include children born abroad to American parents. The first Congress, however, had no such intent. The debates on the matter reveal that the congressmen were aware that such children were not citizens and had to be naturalized; hence, Congress enacted a statute to provide for them. Moreover, that statute did not say the children were natural-born, only that they should “be considered as” such. Finally, as soon as Madison, then a member of Congress, was assigned to redraft the statute in 1795, he deleted the phrase “natural born,” and it has never reappeared in a naturalization statute.

When discussing the meaning of a constitutional term, it is important to go beyond secondary sources and look to the law itself. And on this issue, the law is clear: The framers of the Constitution required the president of the United States to be born in the United States.

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Mary Brigid McManamon is a constitutional law professor at Widener University's Delaware Law School.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-ted-cruz-not-natur al-born-citizen-president-20160112-story.html

 

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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 08:52 AM
Cruz status is sure is titillating to the leftists.

Its laughable enough that the Post wants to apply a strict constitutional interpretation in this case because it suits them. The constitution is more malleable than silly putty when it comes to guns.

I fall on the consensus of Katyal and Clement and not a Washington Post Op-Ed by an obscure law professor.

 

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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 09:04 AM
Especially after Obama's birth certificate was faked and he turns out to be a foriegn born Muslim.

 

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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 09:11 AM
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Cruz status is sure is titillating to the leftists.




This is primary season. If you think that the issue of his eligibility isn't in play with his GOP opponents then you might think about stepping away from the left vs. right football game.

Jack Cashill at WorldNetDaily raised the question of the eligibility of Cruz, Rubio and Jindal back in August of 2015.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/just-who-is-eligible-to-be-president/

I can assure you that Cashill is not a leftist and WND is far, far, far from a leftist publication.

 

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Cruz status is sure is titillating to the leftists.




This is primary season. If you think that the issue of his eligibility isn't in play with his GOP opponents then you might think about stepping away from the left vs. right football game.

Jack Cashill at WorldNetDaily raised the question of the eligibility of Cruz, Rubio and Jindal back in August of 2015.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/just-who-is-eligible-to-be-president/

I can assure you that Cashill is not a leftist and WND is far, far, far from a leftist publication.

Oh come now KC, that's just crazy talk.

 

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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 09:24 AM
I found the story and the part about his mother. now I don't know if this is really a law or not but here is what it said at the time, March 16, 2015 .

"Certainly those people will want to see Cruz's proof of citizenship as well. Did his mother live in the United States for at least 10 years — with at least five of them coming after her 14th birthday — as required by US law at the time of her son's birth?"

https://news.vice.com/article/ted-cruz-and-immigration-from-a-cuban-prison- to-an-iowa-parking-lot

 

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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 09:59 AM
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Cruz status is sure is titillating to the leftists.

Trump and his supporters are leftists?

 

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I found the story and the part about his mother. now I don't know if this is really a law or not but here is what it said at the time, March 16, 2015 .

"Certainly those people will want to see Cruz's proof of citizenship as well. Did his mother live in the United States for at least 10 years — with at least five of them coming after her 14th birthday — as required by US law at the time of her son's birth?"

https://news.vice.com/article/ted-cruz-and-immigration-from-a-cuban-prison- to-an-iowa-parking-lot


I just plugged that sentence into a Google search and got lots of results which all seem to agree that part of law regarding who is considered a natural-born citizen does require these requirements when someone is born outside the US to one US citizen parent, and the requirements differ depending on when the person was born (the law has changed over the years and the law that was in force at the time of birth is what applies). Here are a couple of the links...

http://www.immihelp.com/citizenship/naturalization-faq.html
http://resources.lawinfo.com/immigration/immigration-law-faq.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to _one_United_States_citizen

Here is what seems to be the pertinent details for Cruz (from the Wiki page above, and consistent with the others)....

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:

- The person's parents were married at the time of birth
- One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
- The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
- A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

Accord to one of the articles I read, his parents didn't move to Canada until 1967 and if that is true then she clearly met the requirements noted above.

I'm no lawyer but it seems to me that Cruz is eligible to be POTUS.

 

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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 10:37 AM
yup, question answered. thanks gondicar.

 

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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 11:33 AM
The question revolves around the terms "natural born U.S. citizen". I can see this going to court. Trump could sue on the basis that, if Ted is not eligible, then an ineligible candidate is taking away votes that might have gone to Trump.

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be a natural born U.S. citizen. Someone may be born abroad, but only if both parents were citizens of the United States. The only exception to this was for those around at the time the Constitution was adopted. Their requirement was that they had to be a citizen when the Constitution was adopted.


Goober is dead wrong in thinking that this is a question being brought up by "Leftist".

As a Progressive I'm loving watching the birther blowback, but right now, the folks benefitting from the argument are Right Wingers who support anyone other than Cruz.

 

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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 01:43 PM
According to the law and as attested to by legal professionals Ted Cruz is eligible to be POTUS.
End of the media hyped scandal.
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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 04:01 PM
I find it hilarious that those who thought Obama couldn't be president because they didn't believe his birth certificate are the same group that support Cruz. If Obama WAS born in Kenya, then it would be the exact same situation that Cruz is in now. Hippocrates to the extreme!
 

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  posted on 1/14/2016 at 04:05 PM
Cruz has other problems now but there are constitutional scholars who do not believe he is eligible and a natural born citizen. Basically if one respects the views of the Framers then Cruz is not eligible to be President.

Laurence Tribe maintains that in the 18th century concern over a patrilineal lineage would have influenced the Framers to stipulate that natural born would be within the territory of the US. As an example there would have been the fear that a father like Ted Cruz's, who fought with the communists in Cuba, would take his wife to a new country and have children who would have their rights and loyalties determined by the lineage and not the Nation State. This was actually a fear by the birthers.

In the 18th century a situation as described for Cruz was probably likely and this was a situation the Framers wanted to avoid.

 

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I find it hilarious that those who thought Obama couldn't be president because they didn't believe his birth certificate are the same group that support Cruz. If Obama WAS born in Kenya, then it would be the exact same situation that Cruz is in now. Hippocrates to the extreme!

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Where Obama kept hidden, Ted Cruz has put his real birth certificate out for all to see upfront.
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I find it hilarious that those who thought Obama couldn't be president because they didn't believe his birth certificate are the same group that support Cruz. If Obama WAS born in Kenya, then it would be the exact same situation that Cruz is in now. Hippocrates to the extreme!

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Where Obama kept hidden, Ted Cruz has put his real birth certificate out for all to see upfront.
Kinda like Obama's college transcripts, thesis and financial records.





Hidden? Everyone in the world has been Obama's birth certificate. Does it bother you that Trump, Carson and Bush haven't released their collage transcripts, or only that Obama didn't?

 

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I find it hilarious that those who thought Obama couldn't be president because they didn't believe his birth certificate are the same group that support Cruz. If Obama WAS born in Kenya, then it would be the exact same situation that Cruz is in now. Hippocrates to the extreme!

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Kinda like Obama's college transcripts, thesis and financial records.





This is total nonsense. Cruz claims he did not even know he was a Canadian until a couple of years ago. The difference between the two is that Obama is a natural citizen and Cruz is a naturalized citizen. It would figure that you would support the son of a communist who fought with Castro over a real American. How do you know where the elder Cruz's sympathies are? How do you know they were not passed onto his son Ted? You don't know any of this do you?

 
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