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  posted on 11/23/2015 at 07:26 PM
You Carson supporters - your man is nuts. He's completely ill-informed, anti-science, and is ludicrously confused.


Hours after Ben Carson told reporters he remembers seeing American Muslims celebrating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, his campaign said the GOP presidential candidate was "thinking something differently" and does not remember such reaction in the U.S.

"Dr. Carson does not stand by the statements that were reported today. He was hearing and thinking something differently at the the time," Carson communications director Doug Watts said in a statement on Monday. "He does, however, recall and had his mind focused on the celebrations in the Middle East. He is not suggesting that American Muslims were in New Jersey celebrating the fall of the twin towers."

Watts added that Carson apologizes to "anybody offended by that."

Earlier in the day, Carson said that he, like fellow GOP candidate Donald Trump has claimed, has seen "newsreels" of American Muslims celebrating the attack in New Jersey.

Trump raised eyebrows this weekend when he said he saw "thousands" of people cheering as the twin towers fell on September 11th.

"I watched in Jersey City, NJ where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down," Trump said Saturday at a rally in Birmingham, AL. "Thousands of people were cheering, so something's going on we got to find out what it is."

Monday, after many questions about his claim, Trump tweeted a link to a Washington Post article from 2001 that mentions law enforcement questioning "a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attack and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops." Law enforcement has since said these were unproven claims.

As national security and foreign policy are issues of growing concern to Republican voters, Carson has increased the amount of time he spends on foreign policy in his standard stump speech at his rallies.

With polling showing Americans more willing to forgo some civil liberties in the name of safety, Carson told supporters, "I would say we use our intelligence and we monitor anything, a mosque, a church, a museum, a supermarket, anyplace where radicalization is going on."

Detailing his plan to fight ISIS, Carson said it's both a military and a psychological battle, saying he would work to disrupt their cyber abilities and recruiting tools.

"We need to be talking to the imams and the clerics and telling them that their job is to draw the distinction between the moderate and reasonable Arabs and the radical ones, because if they can't draw it, they can't expect us to draw it," Carson said.

On dealing with Russian aggression under Putin, Carson says he will reinstate the missile shield, and "put it right back up in his face."

"We also have to recognize when we come up against a bully. Putin is a bully. The only thing that is keeping him under control right now are oil prices," Carson said.

However, the former neurosurgeon who says he will release the names of the experts who counsel him on foreign policy and national security this week—admits he still relies on television for specifics he highlights at his events.

At several events recently, Carson has called for more funding for the F.B.I., because it's ridiculous, he says, that "they only have the ability to monitor somewhere between 30 and 60 people."

When pushed on the source of his data, Carson said he's talking about those who can be monitored full-time, and added he got it "from television - same place where the president seems to get most of his information."

The FBI, however, currently has the ability to "monitor" thousands of people.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2015 at 08:21 PM
His debate performance when answering a question on foreign policy and his injection of special ops forces into his ramble was classic. He stumbled big time trying to get through the question & was absolutely lost. It reminded me of something like a skit off of Saturday Night Live. And he's a serious contender?
 

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  posted on 11/23/2015 at 08:47 PM
Serious contender? Sarah Palin had a shot at the presidency. Evidently for many Republicans all you need to be qualified to conduct foreign policy as President is to own a TV and/or live close to Russia. If a terrifyingly unqualified idiot like Palin can get that close to the button, then, yes, he's a nightmarish serious contender.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2015 at 07:56 AM
If this episode does not scare people away from both Trump and Carson I don't know what will. Trump makes totally unfounded inflammatory comments..."thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating in Jersey City as the towers came down"...and Carson tries to pile on, then backs off, then says he didn't understand the question. Sheesh.

I expect more of this outrageousness from Trump. It is by design. He does not want to be President and he's pushing the envelope to see how much of this crap voters will swallow before he loses support. Then he'll drop out. The trouble is that the voters keep eating it up with no limit in sight.

It is becoming clearer all the time that Carson is just a delusional nut case.

 

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If this episode does not scare people away from both Trump and Carson I don't know what will. Trump makes totally unfounded inflammatory comments..."thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating in Jersey City as the towers came down"...and Carson tries to pile on, then backs off, then says he didn't understand the question. Sheesh.

I expect more of this outrageousness from Trump. It is by design. He does not want to be President and he's pushing the envelope to see how much of this crap voters will swallow before he loses support. Then he'll drop out. The trouble is that the voters keep eating it up with no limit in sight.

It is becoming clearer all the time that Carson is just a delusional nut case.


We know that for years, decades, really....there was this standard that candidates were held to and expected behaviors they had to adhere to, but...I really think we've crossed that rubicon. Nothing's shocking anymore. Maddening, confusing, exhilarating, whatever, but there's no shocking.

Trump is saying the things that people scream at their TVs and post with anger on the internet. It's resonating. Populism is way, way in. Polling is consistently showing that it doesn't matter what he says. He still has the support.

In our lifetimes, Presidents and candidates shunned pop culture like the plague. Over time, that has completely changed. Clinton played sax on Arsenio. Bush called in to Limbaugh. Obama hit the late night talk shows. Trump just hosted SNL.

The standard of "being Presidential" has dramatically changed, and the focus of winning elections has completely changed as well. Karl Rove taught us that. You do not have to worry at all about winning the support of the majority of the country. You just have to win 51% of the people that agree with you and bother to show up and vote.

Strange days, indeed.

I also don't think that Carson is delusional or a nut case. He's pulled in anywhere from $8.9 million to $27 million over a recent 16 month period on book royalties and speeches, plus sitting on the board of two major companies. (H/T Newsmax). Anyone pulling in that kinda coin ain't all that nuts.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2015 at 11:31 AM
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In our lifetimes, Presidents and candidates shunned pop culture like the plague. Over time, that has completely changed. Clinton played sax on Arsenio. Bush called in to Limbaugh. Obama hit the late night talk shows. Trump just hosted SNL.


"It was history. Then all of the sudden everyone started doing it. Now you can't have an election without the candidates going on every show in sight."
George Schlatter on Richard Nixon's appearance on Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLjgqVQpFHg



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I also don't think that Carson is delusional or a nut case. He's pulled in anywhere from $8.9 million to $27 million over a recent 16 month period on book royalties and speeches, plus sitting on the board of two major companies. (H/T Newsmax). Anyone pulling in that kinda coin ain't all that nuts.


Ain't THAT kinda coin but...Net worth of Charles Manson: $400.00
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/richest-criminals/char les-manson-net-worth/

Just sayin'...

 

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  posted on 11/24/2015 at 11:49 AM
I remember folks on this board saying Trump was a Clinton plant. That he was only in it to gain traction than jump off the Republican ticket and go Independent. If that were true he is in a much better position to flip the GOP apple cart than he was at the beginning.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2015 at 11:50 AM
Yeah, well, I've grown really tired of the non-stop insult bash festival politics has become. Call me a peacenik, I guess.

 

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"It was history. Then all of the sudden everyone started doing it. Now you can't have an election without the candidates going on every show in sight."
George Schlatter on Richard Nixon's appearance on Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In.


I was thinking of those within the last few years (who happen to post here) who have made many, many, many observations of what is "Presidential" or not. Strangely, they also act as if Trump doesn't exist.

 

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If this episode does not scare people away from both Trump and Carson I don't know what will. Trump makes totally unfounded inflammatory comments..."thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating in Jersey City as the towers came down"...and Carson tries to pile on, then backs off, then says he didn't understand the question. Sheesh.

I expect more of this outrageousness from Trump. It is by design. He does not want to be President and he's pushing the envelope to see how much of this crap voters will swallow before he loses support. Then he'll drop out. The trouble is that the voters keep eating it up with no limit in sight.

It is becoming clearer all the time that Carson is just a delusional nut case.


We know that for years, decades, really....there was this standard that candidates were held to and expected behaviors they had to adhere to, but...I really think we've crossed that rubicon. Nothing's shocking anymore. Maddening, confusing, exhilarating, whatever, but there's no shocking.

Trump is saying the things that people scream at their TVs and post with anger on the internet. It's resonating. Populism is way, way in. Polling is consistently showing that it doesn't matter what he says. He still has the support.

In our lifetimes, Presidents and candidates shunned pop culture like the plague. Over time, that has completely changed. Clinton played sax on Arsenio. Bush called in to Limbaugh. Obama hit the late night talk shows. Trump just hosted SNL.

The standard of "being Presidential" has dramatically changed, and the focus of winning elections has completely changed as well. Karl Rove taught us that. You do not have to worry at all about winning the support of the majority of the country. You just have to win 51% of the people that agree with you and bother to show up and vote.

Strange days, indeed.

I also don't think that Carson is delusional or a nut case. He's pulled in anywhere from $8.9 million to $27 million over a recent 16 month period on book royalties and speeches, plus sitting on the board of two major companies. (H/T Newsmax). Anyone pulling in that kinda coin ain't all that nuts.

A successful nut, but a nut just the same.

These things tend to sort themselves out and I think it will this time as well. At this time four years ago we were talking about Michelle Bachman, Herman Cain, and Rick Perry as if they were viable candidates. If history repeats by next summer Trump and Carson will be distant memories. God help us if I'm wrong about that.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2015 at 12:44 PM
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It's true. Conservatives feel so marginalized, their political identity so badly mangled that the only requirement for candidacy these days is that you be non-Democrat. Everything else is hilariously in bounds.


like socialism?



[Edited on 11/24/2015 by OriginalGoober]

 

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You mean Democratic Socialism? An example being Social Security? Or roads? Or public education? Or fire departments?

 

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It's true. Conservatives feel so marginalized, their political identity so badly mangled that the only requirement for candidacy these days is that you be non-Democrat. Everything else is hilariously in bounds.


like socialism?




There is not one single Senator that enjoys a higher approval rating among his constituents than the democratic socialist from Vermont...

Sanders has highest approval in Senate

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is far and away the most popular senator among his own constituents, a new Morning Consult poll reveals.

The veteran lawmaker, who is also a Democratic candidate for president, scored an 83 percent approval rating among voters in Vermont.

His 13 percent disapproval rating also ranks as the lowest in the country.

Sanders's closest rival for the top spot among Democrats is fellow Vermonter Sen. Patrick Leahy, who received a commendable 71 percent approval rating with just 22 percent of voters disapproving of his performance.

The most popular Republican senator, among the GOP 2016 field, is Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. Fifty-two percent of Texans approve of his work in Congress, while 32 disapprove.

Cruz is closely followed by Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham (S.C.) with 51 percent approval; Marco Rubio (Fla.) with 50 percent approval; and Rand Paul (Ky.) with 48 percent approval.

The only senator with a disapproval rating higher than his approval rating? Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who is disliked by 52 percent of his constituents.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/261180-sanders-has-highest-appr oval-rating-in-the-senate

 

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  posted on 11/24/2015 at 04:38 PM
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In our lifetimes, Presidents and candidates shunned pop culture like the plague. Over time, that has completely changed. Clinton played sax on Arsenio. Bush called in to Limbaugh. Obama hit the late night talk shows. Trump just hosted SNL.


"It was history. Then all of the sudden everyone started doing it. Now you can't have an election without the candidates going on every show in sight."
George Schlatter on Richard Nixon's appearance on Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLjgqVQpFHg



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I also don't think that Carson is delusional or a nut case. He's pulled in anywhere from $8.9 million to $27 million over a recent 16 month period on book royalties and speeches, plus sitting on the board of two major companies. (H/T Newsmax). Anyone pulling in that kinda coin ain't all that nuts.


Ain't THAT kinda coin but...Net worth of Charles Manson: $400.00
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/richest-criminals/char les-manson-net-worth/

Just sayin'...
Manson is delusional, nuts, and an ego maniac. if he wasn't in prison, he'd fit right in beside trump and carson.

[Edited on 11/25/2015 by pops42]

 

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  posted on 11/24/2015 at 07:01 PM
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You mean Democratic Socialism? An example being Social Security? Or roads? Or public education? Or fire departments?




Don't forget the United States military in its current bloated, wasteful, corrupt form. It's about as socialist as one can get. Strangely, it's never mentioned by the right wing whenever they cry about the evils of socialism.


 
 


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