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  posted on 11/13/2015 at 11:55 AM
Usually, the real low-blow get down and dirty mud gets thrown starting in Iowa and New Hampshire, that things get real serious in South Carolina.

Still over two months away from the Iowa caucuses and Trump starts things off. I'll say one thing for him, he's definitely outside the norm of the behavior traditionally shown by Presidential candidates.

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Trump compares Carson to child molester, faces backlash

Donald Trump unloaded on the rest of the GOP field Thursday during a nearly 95-minute, insult-laden speech that veered from comparing Ben Carson to a child molester to calling Iowans "stupid" -- and already has earned him a rebuke from his Republican rivals.

The speech was stunning even by Trump standards, and marked a departure from his reserved demeanor during this week's debate. Using coarse language, Trump trained his criticism on co-front-runner Carson while taking shots at several others.

Striking was a comparison between Carson's "pathological temper" and the mindset of child molesters.

"If you're pathological -- there's no cure for that, folks. Okay? There's no cure for that," Trump said at the rally in Fort Dodge, Iowa.

He then referenced comments he made earlier on CNN: "I said that if you're a child molester -- a sick puppy -- you're a child molester, there's no cure for that."

GOP rival and former HP CEO Carly Fiorina shot back on Facebook and jumped to Carson's defense, writing:

"Donald, sorry, I've got to interrupt again. You would know something about pathological. How was that meeting with Putin? Or Wharton? Or your self funded campaign? Anyone can turn a multi-million dollar inheritance into more money, but all the money in the world won't make you as smart as Ben Carson."

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham also told Fox News he's thinks the speech marked a "turning point" in the race.

"I think he melted down last night," Graham said Friday. "What he said about Dr. Carson ... Dr. Carson found redemption in the Lord. He is a good and decent man."

Speaking on Fox News shortly afterward, Trump spokeswoman Katrina Pierson cited Graham's low poll numbers and said she wasn't sure his criticism "warrants a response." But she defended Trump's comments on Carson.

"A lot of people are having a hard time understanding what's revolving around Dr. Ben Carson," she said.

Referring to the use of the term "pathological," she said, "The most common pathology used in terms of health care is unfortunately child molestation." However, she said, Trump "was not calling Ben Carson a child molester."

Conservative commentator and Fox News contributor Mary Katharine Ham warned Friday that it could be "dangerous" for Trump to attack Carson in this way.

"This is not a good direction we're going here," she said.

Trump has been trading the lead in polls with Carson for the past several weeks. He's also built a strong following while routinely insulting his opponents, on a personal level, since the start of the campaign -- and in defiance of past pundit predictions that he'd gone too far with various off-color comments.

But Thursday's remarks appeared to hit a new level. He even ripped Iowans backing Carson.

After questioning the retired neurosurgeon's story of how he nearly stabbed a friend during his adolescence, Trump bellowed, "How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of this country to believe this crap?"

He also acted out the stabbing scene, lurching forward and moving his belt up and down and shouting, "but, lo and behold, it hit the belt!"

Pierson said the Iowa remarks were "tongue in cheek." "He wasn't calling people stupid in general," she said.

In his free-wheeling appearance, Trump also said Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who is rising in the polls, was "weak like a baby, like a baby" and "not a good poker player because every time he's under pressure he starts to just profusely sweat." And he said former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush didn't deserve his attention because his campaign is doing so poorly.

Trump first made the Carson child molester comparison in an interview on CNN, pointing to Carson's own descriptions of his violent actions during his youth.

"That's a big problem because you don't cure that," Trump said. "That's like, you know, I could say, they say you don't cure -- as an example, child molester. You don't cure these people. You don't cure the child molester." Trump also said that "pathological is a very serious disease."

When asked if he was satisfied with Carson's claims that his anger was in the past, Trump responded, "You'll have to ask him that question ... Look, I hope he's fine because I think it would be a shame."

Carson's ability to overcome his anger as well as an impoverished childhood to become a world-renowned neurosurgeon has been a central chapter in his personal story.

In his book "Gifted Hands," Carson described the uncontrollable anger he felt at times while growing up in inner-city Detroit. He wrote that on one occasion he nearly punched his mother and on another he attempted to stab a friend with a knife.

"I had what I only can label a pathological temper - a disease - and this sickness controlled me, making me totally irrational," Carson said in describing the incident with his mother. He referred to "pathological anger" again in telling about lunging at his friend, the knife blade breaking off when it hit the boy's belt buckle.

Carson describes in "Gifted Hands" racing to the bathroom in his house after the near-stabbing incident and in time began to pray for God's help in dealing with his temper. "During those hours alone in the bathroom, something happened to me," he wrote. "God heard my deep cries of anguish. A feeling of lightness flowed over me, and I knew a change of heart had taken place. I felt different. I was different."

In questioning Carson's religious awakening, Trump said in Fort Dodge that Carson went into the bathroom and came out and "now he's religious."

"And the people of Iowa believe him. Give me a break. Give me a break. It doesn't happen that way," he said. "Don't be fools."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/13/trump-rips-ben-carson-backstory- in-marathon-iowa-speech/?intcmp=hpbt1





From a pure political observer point of view, this is incredibly entertaining.

 

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  posted on 11/13/2015 at 12:24 PM
I think Trump never expected his candidacy to take off like it has and now he's trying hard to lose his front-runner status so he can drop out. But nothing seems to be working.

 

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  posted on 11/13/2015 at 12:47 PM
Agree there was some sort of implosion by Trump as i listened to the remarks. Attacks like this are getting tiresome. Talk about why you want to be president and some substance about policy. He said he likes Carson. Imagine a room full of democrats and he melts down like this. The last thing we need is more corrosive language and polotics of division.


Trump will sink in the polls aftet this.

 

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  posted on 11/13/2015 at 01:25 PM
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Agree there was some sort of implosion by Trump as i listened to the remarks. Attacks like this are getting tiresome. Talk about why you want to be president and some substance about policy. He said he likes Carson. Imagine a room full of democrats and he melts down like this. The last thing we need is more corrosive language and polotics of division.


Trump will sink in the polls aftet this.


Y'know, I'm...not sure. Folks seem to be liking the things that the candidates they support are saying, no matter what it is. We'll see.

 

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  posted on 11/13/2015 at 03:29 PM
Trump just handed Dr. Carson a win in Iowa.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2015 at 08:47 AM
Carson has no chance in the end. If on the outside chance he gets the nomination, Hilary will mop the floor with him.

to a previous point made; even as a casual observer of politics, Trump is entertaining. IMO, he fizzles out as well. His shtick can't last. I don't see an ounce of presidential behavior out of that guy.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2015 at 04:33 PM
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Carson has no chance in the end. If on the outside chance he gets the nomination, Hilary will mop the floor with him.

to a previous point made; even as a casual observer of politics, Trump is entertaining. IMO, he fizzles out as well. His shtick can't last. I don't see an ounce of presidential behavior out of that guy.

But standing next to Jeb! (TM) and Ben Carson, Trump looks as presidential as anyone.


Except that Bush has put out policies where there hasn't much nor specifics from the other 2 you mentioned.

By chance did anyone hear Carson's response to a foreign policy question in the recent debate? He went on some circular explanation about special ops. He really showed a total lack of knowledge. His advisers really need to do a better job of preparing and educating him on subjects he's not skilled in.

 

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Carson has no chance in the end. If on the outside chance he gets the nomination, Hilary will mop the floor with him.

to a previous point made; even as a casual observer of politics, Trump is entertaining. IMO, he fizzles out as well. His shtick can't last. I don't see an ounce of presidential behavior out of that guy.

But standing next to Jeb! (TM) and Ben Carson, Trump looks as presidential as anyone.


Except that Bush has put out policies where there hasn't much nor specifics from the other 2 you mentioned.

By chance did anyone hear Carson's response to a foreign policy question in the recent debate? He went on some circular explanation about special ops. He really showed a total lack of knowledge. His advisers really need to do a better job of preparing and educating him on subjects he's not skilled in.

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Dr. Carson could ask Obama's advisors.
... oh wait.


 

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  posted on 11/16/2015 at 08:34 PM
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I think Trump never expected his candidacy to take off like it has and now he's trying hard to lose his front-runner status so he can drop out. But nothing seems to be working.


It's like the political version of "The Producers"

 

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  posted on 11/23/2015 at 12:50 PM
I guess you could call this Goodwin's Law in action, but in any case Trump seems to be really going off the rails now (he was just faking it before)...


Trump's Last 96 Hours Include Stealing Neo-Nazi Tweets and More Anti-Muslim Rhetoric

Since Thursday, Donald Trump has:
- promulgated neo-Nazi propaganda
- called for national Muslim-tracking databases
- claimed he saw New Jersey Muslims celebrating 9/11
- suggested that a protester at his event deserved to be beaten and vowed to bring back waterboarding

False, racially charged "statistics"
On Sunday, Trump posted a tweet about police violence that has been widely condemned as inaccurate.On Sunday, Trump posted a tweet about police violence that has been widely condemned as inaccurate:



Aside from the fact that 2015 statistics are not available since the year is ongoing, the numbers in the tweet appear to be grossly out of sync with the FBI's most recent crime reporting from 2014, according to the Daily Beast, which also points out that the sourced "Crime Statistics Bureau – San Francisco" is not, in fact, a thing. For example, while Trump claims 81% of whites killed are by blacks, the real percentage is 14%. Meanwhile, the percentage of "whites killed by whites" is actually 82.3% — far higher than the 16% number given.

In addition to being false, the numbers were first posted to Twitter by a neo-Nazi account, according to Little Green Footballs. It wouldn't be the first time Trump has posted Nazi content.

Muslim databases
Arguably Trump's greatest furor to date was caused by remarks made during an interview with Yahoo Politics. Trump told reporter Hunter Walker that in the wake of the terrorist attacks in Paris, the United States would have to implement "unthinkable" responses to ensure such an attack did not occur on U.S. soil.

"We're going to have to do things that we never did before," Trump said. "And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule. And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy."

When asked if that included Muslim-tracking databases, Trump said, "We're going to have to — we're going to have to look at a lot of things very closely." Furthermore, NBC reporter Vaughn Hillyard asked Trump at an Iowa campaign stop Thursday how such databases would be different than Nazi registries of Jews in the 1930s, to which Trump said "you tell me," before moving on.

New Jersey's 9/11-loving Muslims
In an attempt to justify his call for a Muslim database, Trump told a crowd Saturday in Birmingham, Alabama, he had witnessed New Jersey residents cheering from across the river as the World Trade Centers came down on 9/11. Speaking to ABC News' George Stephanopoulos, Trump doubled-down on the assertion. "There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey where you have large Arab populations," he told Stephanopoulos. "They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down — as those buildings came down, and that tells you something. It was well covered at the time."

PolitiFact, the Tampa Bay Times' Pulitzer Prize-winning fact checking project, rated the claim "pants on fire" — reserved for the most egregious falsehoods — saying Trump's story "defies basic logic."

Black Lives Matter
After infiltrating the same Trump rally Saturday in Birmingham and interrupting him onstage, Black Lives Matter activist Mercutio Southall Jr. walked into a hornet's nest. Almost immediately, Southall was attacked by the crowds. CNN video appeared to show numerous people kicking Southhall while a Washington Post reporter heard a woman shout, "don't choke him."

Throughout the ordeal, Trump was unflappable. "Get em' out of here," he said from the lectern to applause. Speaking to Fox News Sunday, Trump defended the behavior of his supporters. "Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing," he said. "This was a very obnoxious guy, who was a troublemaker, was looking to make trouble."

Waterboarding
The Bush era's "enhanced interrogation technique" that has widely been denounced as torture, would "absolutely" return in a Trump administration, Trump told ABC. "I think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they do to us," said Trump. "What they're doing to us, what they did to James Foley when they chopped off his head, that's a whole different level, and I would absolutely bring back interrogation and strong interrogation." During his own successful campaign for the Republican nomination in 2007, Arizona Sen. John McCain reminded supporters that the United States had executed Japanese war criminals after World War II for crimes that included waterboarding, a claim that PolitiFact rated as true.

As usual, Trump has left Republican voters with plenty to chew on, as the candidates gear up for their next debate on Dec. 15.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2015 at 01:44 PM
I think the Iowa attack on Carson is the measure of Trump's longevity. Trump decimated Carson and his story of redemption. To make sure Iowans understood the message Trump called Iowan supporters of Carson stupid. Carson has been sinking in the polls since.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI279UvRK9M

When even Christie refuses to take a shot at Trump you know the republican party is in trouble. This has to be bad for the macho gun toting image the party wants to project. Everyone's scared of the Donald. Once the public digests the real information on refugees and that they are already heavily vetted, people will see this was just another cowardly reaction by the right.

Now Hillary beats every republican--including Trump--in a new poll on who the public trusts more on terrorism.

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The Washington Post-ABC News poll out Monday asked Americans if they would trust Clinton or one of five Republican candidates more. She led Trump 50% to 42%, Carson 49% to 40%, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz 47% to 40%, and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio 47% to 43%.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/23/politics/hillary-clinton-tops-donald-trump-te rror-poll/index.html


All of the above has to be a nightmare for the republican party and their new de facto leader Trump. Trump statistically has no chance to beat Hilary if you look at the 2012 data. But it looks like he will be the nominee.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2015 at 01:48 PM
There's nothing Trump can say or do to slow him down. Outrage ending a campaign, dem days be over.

 

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  posted on 11/25/2015 at 04:30 PM
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/fact-checking-site-finds-donald-trump-te lls-truth-7-percent-time/


Surprised he's truthful so often.

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Fact-Checking Site Finds Donald Trump Only Tells The Truth 7 Percent of the Time November 24, 2015 By Allen Clifton

More than anything else, what I find most ridiculous about the ascension of Donald Trump to the top of the Republican party’s presidential ticket is the fact that almost nothing he says is true. And it’s not just that he lies, it’s that he seems to just make stuff up as he goes along. Then to top it all off, he’s so damn arrogant I can’t remember a time where he’s ever admitted being wrong about anything – despite the fact that he’s wrong about damn near everything. His most recent fairytale concerns the “thousands and thousands” of people he claims to have seen celebrating in the streets of New Jersey as the World Trade Center towers fell, a claim that’s literally not supported by a single shred of evidence… anywhere. Not only that, but he insisted that there was extensive coverage of the “thousands and thousands” of people he witnessed celebrating – yet no one can seem to find any of it. This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen; a leading presidential candidate blatantly exploiting 9/11 to push anti-Muslim propaganda following the horrific terrorist attack in France based on pure, made up nonsense. This isn’t a matter of perspective, partisanship or even opinion – what Donald Trump is saying he witnessed never happened. End of story. Well, in the spirit of Trump’s pathological idiocy, I thought I’d do an update on just how dishonest this racist bigot is. When looking at his scorecard on non-partisan fact-checking site Politifact, the numbers are shocking. Politifact’s ratings system is based on six metrics: True, Mostly True, Half True, Mostly False, False and Pants on Fire. The way I calculate numbers is everything that’s True/Mostly True I consider truthful, everything that’s Mostly False/False/Pants on Fire I view as being dishonest and I ignore Half True statements because often the conclusions are subjective and convoluted. So, how does Trump rank? According to Politifact, of the 71 comments they’ve fact checked, only 7 percent (5 of 71) of what Trump says is truthful (all 5 of those statements are rated as Mostly True). Meanwhile, 75 percent (53 of 71) of what they’ve fact checked has been a lie. For those who don’t feel like doing the math, 18 percent (13 of 71) of his comments were rated as Half True. While his overall scorecard is atrocious, when you look at some of his Pants on Fire comments, the absurdity he spews is shocking. All the following Trump quotes were rated Pants on Fire, which means there wasn’t even the smallest shred of truth to them. I’ve added a bit of commentary in bold after each quote: “I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.” (Trump completely made this up.) “The number [in reference to our nation’s unemployment rate at the time of 5.3 percent] isn’t reflective. I’ve seen numbers of 24 percent — I actually saw a number of 42 percent unemployment. Forty-two percent.” (This would mean nearly 1 out of every 2 working-age Americans are unemployed – just think about the ridiculousness behind actually believing that.) “I don’t think the 11 million — which is a number you have been hearing for many many years, I’ve been hearing that number for five years — I don’t think that is an accurate number anymore. I am now hearing it’s 30 million, it could be 34 million, which is a much bigger problem.” (Net immigration is actually down since 2010 and no credible expert supports the notion that there are 30 million illegal immigrants in the country.) “Our current president came out of nowhere. Came out of nowhere. In fact, I’ll go a step further: the people that went to school with him, they never saw him, they don’t know who he is. It’s crazy.” (Yes, he apparently thinks both Harvard and Columbia are lying about President Obama being a graduate.) “The last quarter, it was just announced, our gross domestic product — a sign of strength, right? But not for us. It was below zero. Who ever heard of this? It’s never below zero.” (GDP fell for one quarter, but it was not “below zero” – that’s essentially impossible to even accomplish.) It goes beyond basic dishonesty with Trump to outright propaganda. Anyone who runs for public office is going to slant and distort the truth from time to time, but Trump doesn’t just distort reality – he flat-out makes up his own. And the worst part is, his supporters actually believe he’s honest. You cannot convince these folks that he’s full of crap because most of them are every bit as delusional as he is. I guess if there’s one positive thing that’s come from Donald Trump running for president, it’s that he’s generously given plenty of job security to fact checkers.




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  posted on 11/25/2015 at 04:48 PM
He never stops amazing with his abundance of knowledge & abilities. He is a clairvoyant, but that should not come as a surprise. The GOP is truly infatuated with a gifted "winner".

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/sorcerers-apprentice-trump-sa ys-he-can-predict-terrorism-feel-n469281


 

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  posted on 11/26/2015 at 03:50 PM
http://reverbpress.com/politics/still-support-donald-trump-today-youre-raci st/

Spot on.

 

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