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  posted on 2/24/2015 at 03:35 PM
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  posted on 2/24/2015 at 09:09 PM
Does this mean i wont be receiving any DHS alerts about the dangers of turkey frying. Because i really need a liberal to help me from hot oil

 

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Does this mean i wont be receiving any DHS alerts about the dangers of turkey frying. Because i really need a liberal to help me from hot oil


You seriously think the Department of Homeland Security is run by liberal thinkers?

 

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  posted on 2/24/2015 at 10:19 PM
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Does this mean i wont be receiving any DHS alerts about the dangers of turkey frying. Because i really need a liberal to help me from hot oil


You seriously think the Department of Homeland Security is run by liberal thinkers?

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  posted on 2/24/2015 at 11:46 PM
If I was a government worker, I'd be rooting for any furlough or shutdown I could get. Paid holidays, and they always collect 100% of back pay.
 

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If I was a government worker, I'd be rooting for any furlough or shutdown I could get. Paid holidays, and they always collect 100% of back pay.


Really? Suppose you got a couple kids in college, or your daughter is getting married, maybe you are taking care of elderly parents - and now you have to wait to get your paycheck? You would root for that? Really?

 

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If I was a government worker, I'd be rooting for any furlough or shutdown I could get. Paid holidays, and they always collect 100% of back pay.


Really? Suppose you got a couple kids in college, or your daughter is getting married, maybe you are taking care of elderly parents - and now you have to wait to get your paycheck? You would root for that? Really?


Let's see. Fish, play golf, sit around and wait for back pay? Hell, yes!

The case you make is a case for taking care of personal finances and living responsibly -- not living check to check. It's not that difficult.

 

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While on some level it is funny to watch our conservative friends falling all over themselves to defend congressional gridlock and GOP attempts to take the federal government hostage just to make POTUS look bad, I must say that I do feel dumber from reading their posts.

 

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Why is it that every news feed I go to tells of how the Democrats are blocking the DHS funding bill?

 

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Why is it that every news feed I go to tells of how the Democrats are blocking the DHS funding bill?


Come on Jerry it took me exactly 10 seconds to Google and figure out the Democrats objections so I find it hard to believe you did not already know the answer to your question when you asked it.

The GOP added riders to defund Obama's immigration executive action which the Democrats will not sign off on.

If the GOP presents a clean DHS bill it looks likely the Democrats would support it.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/mitch-mcconnell-announces-a-vote-on -a-clean-dhs-funding-bill-is-coming-20150224

This is major reason why there is so much grid lock in Congress IMHO. A worthy, or in this case an important, bill is proposed only to be held up by one party trying to sneak in additional riders to the bill to get some controversial agenda passed. The other party then holds up the bill because they do not support the riders

Both party's do this so I am not just blaming the GOP.

I wish they would make this type of political maneuvering illegal and I think a lot more would get done in Washington if the proposed bills were not poisoned by all these additional party driven riders.

 

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If I was a government worker, I'd be rooting for any furlough or shutdown I could get. Paid holidays, and they always collect 100% of back pay.


Really? Suppose you got a couple kids in college, or your daughter is getting married, maybe you are taking care of elderly parents - and now you have to wait to get your paycheck? You would root for that? Really?


Let's see. Fish, play golf, sit around and wait for back pay? Hell, yes!

The case you make is a case for taking care of personal finances and living responsibly -- not living check to check. It's not that difficult.


If only life was that simple Alloak.

 

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Why is it that every news feed I go to tells of how the Democrats are blocking the DHS funding bill?


Well, since you provided no citations, why don't you tell us?

Here's some help...the GOP would only pass the funding bill for DHS if it included language that would reverse Obama's immigration executive order, and the Dems won't agree to that and want to separate DHS funding from the immigration issue. I see that McConnell finally realizes that the American people don't want another govt shutdown (even if only partial, especially if it is DHS) and he has now agreed to separate the two issues so hopefully DHS funding will be approved before the 27th, and then they can have it out over immigration.

 

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Why is it that every news feed I go to tells of how the Democrats are blocking the DHS funding bill?


Come on Jerry it took me exactly 10 seconds to Google and figure out the Democrats objections so I find it hard to believe you did not already know the answer to your question when you asked it.

The GOP added riders to defund Obama's immigration executive action which the Democrats will not sign off on.

If the GOP presents a clean DHS bill it looks likely the Democrats would support it.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/mitch-mcconnell-announces-a-vote-on -a-clean-dhs-funding-bill-is-coming-20150224

This is major reason why there is so much grid lock in Congress IMHO. A worthy, or in this case an important, bill is proposed only to be held up by one party trying to sneak in additional riders to the bill to get some controversial agenda passed. The other party then holds up the bill because they do not support the riders

Both party's do this so I am not just blaming the GOP.

I wish they would make this type of political maneuvering illegal and I think a lot more would get done in Washington if the proposed bills were not poisoned by all these additional party driven riders.


AND, they have offered a clean bill, but the Dems are still blocking it. That's what I'm referring to, or did you bother to check for that?

 

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DHS is a horrible, bloated mess. One of the worst actions one can find within the Bush legacy. It has actually made a lot of the problems it as supposed to solve even worse.

Somehow the idea of taking 8 agencies encompassing 22 departments and combining them under one roof was accepted as a solution. Post-9/11, much blame was placed on the uncooperative nature of the FBI, CIA and DOJ. Placing another agency in the middle of them didn't help at all, rather, it's now worse than ever because there's a middleman to answer to, further gumming up the works.

It defies basic management logic to think that one person or a staff of persons could properly oversee this:

Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
CBRN Countermeasures Programs
Domestic Emergency Support Teams
Energy Security and Assurance Program
Environmental Measurements Laboratory
Federal Computer Incident Response Center
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
Federal Protective Service
Immigration and Naturalization Service
National Biological Warfare Defense Analysis Center
National Communications System
National Protection and Programs
National Domestic Preparedness Office
National Infrastructure Protection Center
Nuclear Incident Response Team
Office for Domestic Preparedness
Plum Island Animal Disease Center
Strategic National Stockpile National Disaster Medical System
Transportation Security Administration
U.S. Coast Guard
U.S. Customs Service
U.S. Secret Service

All of those used to either stand alone, or were under direction of other cabinet positions. Is there any wonder that there's been so many problems? Take the Secret Service, for example, many within have said that the problems really kicked after they were folded under DHS after decades of running just fine on their own.

Plus, with that much under one roof, the people at the top spend an incredible amount of time reporting to the various committees and sub-committees in Congress, all susceptible to whatever political wind is blowing on that day. If they are spending most of their time on The Hill, then they ain't spending much time actually running the monstrosity.

I've always been amazed at the nonchalance that conservatives have treated the way the Bush Administration dramatically made inefficient bureaucracy even worse, growing the size of government to incredible levels at the same time. Now, any conservative can make the very valid point that all of those agencies are too much to begin with, and I would wholeheartedly agree. I just wish more agreements like that could be met with actual action to make improvements. One can dream.

 

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See if you can follow this logic...

Democrats had majority. GOP filibustered. GOP were obstructionists......Check
GOP has majority. Democrats filibuster. GOP are obstructionists.....

What?

 

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If I was a government worker, I'd be rooting for any furlough or shutdown I could get. Paid holidays, and they always collect 100% of back pay.


Really? Suppose you got a couple kids in college, or your daughter is getting married, maybe you are taking care of elderly parents - and now you have to wait to get your paycheck? You would root for that? Really?


Let's see. Fish, play golf, sit around and wait for back pay? Hell, yes!

The case you make is a case for taking care of personal finances and living responsibly -- not living check to check. It's not that difficult.


Now alloak- That is just a low information post. The first line, the very first line of the article explains that 30,000 folks will be furloughed and 200,000 essential workers will report to work but will not get paid. So only 15% of these hard working Americans will have time on their hands.

Then you lecture us about living responsibly. When did you first buy health insurance? You expect us to believe that you can't see a situation, in your life, where a furlough could easily turn into a disaster? Think, if when you didn't have insurance, you were furloughed and decided to go to Wisconsin to try your hand at ice fishing. Unfortunately, while fishing, the ice gave way, your leg got broken in-between two giant ice chunks, you suffer hyperthermia and land in the hospital for a four day stay. You now have hospital bills, physical therapy, a broken leg, and no money to buy pain killers.

You really wish this forced shut down on your fellow Americans?

A simple web search reveals CNBC findings that 62% of Americans can't cover unexpected expenses. That was January of 2015. http://www.cnbc.com/id/102317918#.

In June of 2013 CNN Money reported 76% of Americans are living pay check to pay check.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/

So I ask again, You really think it is OK for these rich, entitled, pompous, hucksters in Congress to shut down your fellow American's paychecks?

 

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DHS is a horrible, bloated mess. One of the worst actions one can find within the Bush legacy. It has actually made a lot of the problems it as supposed to solve even worse.

Somehow the idea of taking 8 agencies encompassing 22 departments and combining them under one roof was accepted as a solution. Post-9/11, much blame was placed on the uncooperative nature of the FBI, CIA and DOJ. Placing another agency in the middle of them didn't help at all, rather, it's now worse than ever because there's a middleman to answer to, further gumming up the works.

It defies basic management logic to think that one person or a staff of persons could properly oversee this:

Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
CBRN Countermeasures Programs
Domestic Emergency Support Teams
Energy Security and Assurance Program
Environmental Measurements Laboratory
Federal Computer Incident Response Center
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
Federal Protective Service
Immigration and Naturalization Service
National Biological Warfare Defense Analysis Center
National Communications System
National Protection and Programs
National Domestic Preparedness Office
National Infrastructure Protection Center
Nuclear Incident Response Team
Office for Domestic Preparedness
Plum Island Animal Disease Center
Strategic National Stockpile National Disaster Medical System
Transportation Security Administration
U.S. Coast Guard
U.S. Customs Service
U.S. Secret Service

All of those used to either stand alone, or were under direction of other cabinet positions. Is there any wonder that there's been so many problems? Take the Secret Service, for example, many within have said that the problems really kicked after they were folded under DHS after decades of running just fine on their own.

Plus, with that much under one roof, the people at the top spend an incredible amount of time reporting to the various committees and sub-committees in Congress, all susceptible to whatever political wind is blowing on that day. If they are spending most of their time on The Hill, then they ain't spending much time actually running the monstrosity.

I've always been amazed at the nonchalance that conservatives have treated the way the Bush Administration dramatically made inefficient bureaucracy even worse, growing the size of government to incredible levels at the same time. Now, any conservative can make the very valid point that all of those agencies are too much to begin with, and I would wholeheartedly agree. I just wish more agreements like that could be met with actual action to make improvements. One can dream.


I was under the initial impression when all this started that the DHS was there to co-ordinate information and response from the different agencies as needed. Now, like almost every Federal agency it's blown out of order.
It shouldn't be that DHS is over all the others, just a clearing place to help the left hand to know what the right hand is doing so there wouldn't be multiple operations working on the same problem and all agencies would know what the others do.

 

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If I was a government worker, I'd be rooting for any furlough or shutdown I could get. Paid holidays, and they always collect 100% of back pay.


Really? Suppose you got a couple kids in college, or your daughter is getting married, maybe you are taking care of elderly parents - and now you have to wait to get your paycheck? You would root for that? Really?


Let's see. Fish, play golf, sit around and wait for back pay? Hell, yes!

The case you make is a case for taking care of personal finances and living responsibly -- not living check to check. It's not that difficult.


Now alloak- That is just a low information post. The first line, the very first line of the article explains that 30,000 folks will be furloughed and 200,000 essential workers will report to work but will not get paid. So only 15% of these hard working Americans will have time on their hands.

Then you lecture us about living responsibly. When did you first buy health insurance? You expect us to believe that you can't see a situation, in your life, where a furlough could easily turn into a disaster? Think, if when you didn't have insurance, you were furloughed and decided to go to Wisconsin to try your hand at ice fishing. Unfortunately, while fishing, the ice gave way, your leg got broken in-between two giant ice chunks, you suffer hyperthermia and land in the hospital for a four day stay. You now have hospital bills, physical therapy, a broken leg, and no money to buy pain killers.

You really wish this forced shut down on your fellow Americans?

A simple web search reveals CNBC findings that 62% of Americans can't cover unexpected expenses. That was January of 2015. http://www.cnbc.com/id/102317918#.

In June of 2013 CNN Money reported 76% of Americans are living pay check to pay check.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/

So I ask again, You really think it is OK for these rich, entitled, pompous, hucksters in Congress to shut down your fellow American's paychecks?




So you are turning this into support for fiscal irresponsibility by federal employees?

 

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AND, they have offered a clean bill, but the Dems are still blocking it. That's what I'm referring to, or did you bother to check for that?


My understanding is that Republican Senators have offered a "clean bill" that Republican Congress folk won't pass. The Senate Democrats are saying, "Don't waste our time. Get together with the Republicans in the House and come up with a clean bill that they will sign."

This has everything to do with the fact that Congress would rather travel, golf, take vacations, eat in fancy restaurants, go on speaking tours, and raise money than do the job they were elected to do. They procrastinated knowing full well that the electorate is too tribal to blame the leaders. Most of the politicians do not care about Jerry's vote, or BillyBlastoff's vote as long as they get money from Big Energy, Weapons Dealers, and Banks they will get re-elected.

A few 100,000 HSA workers have to go a couple weeks or a month without a paycheck... so what? You can bet your bottom dollar the United States Congress will be eating $4 single oysters, $69 prime rib, and $20 crab cakes, while slurping down $400 bottles of wine.

A clean bill? Yeah, that's the one these bastids submit on their expense accounts.

 

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So you are turning this into support for fiscal irresponsibility by federal employees?


No. I'm supporting all federal employees. If you go to work I believe you should get your paycheck when your paycheck is promised.

If Bibb County hit a financial bump and had to hold back all police pay for 6 weeks, but the police (essential workers) had to keep reporting for duty, risking their lives to keep Macon safe, would you be happy?

I'm sure you have plenty of savings. Would that be the point? Why should your savings float the poor management of the City of Macon?

Why would you be happy to take on that responsibility?

 

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DHS is a horrible, bloated mess. One of the worst actions one can find within the Bush legacy. It has actually made a lot of the problems it as supposed to solve even worse.

Somehow the idea of taking 8 agencies encompassing 22 departments and combining them under one roof was accepted as a solution. Post-9/11, much blame was placed on the uncooperative nature of the FBI, CIA and DOJ. Placing another agency in the middle of them didn't help at all, rather, it's now worse than ever because there's a middleman to answer to, further gumming up the works.

It defies basic management logic to think that one person or a staff of persons could properly oversee this:

Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
CBRN Countermeasures Programs
Domestic Emergency Support Teams
Energy Security and Assurance Program
Environmental Measurements Laboratory
Federal Computer Incident Response Center
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
Federal Protective Service
Immigration and Naturalization Service
National Biological Warfare Defense Analysis Center
National Communications System
National Protection and Programs
National Domestic Preparedness Office
National Infrastructure Protection Center
Nuclear Incident Response Team
Office for Domestic Preparedness
Plum Island Animal Disease Center
Strategic National Stockpile National Disaster Medical System
Transportation Security Administration
U.S. Coast Guard
U.S. Customs Service
U.S. Secret Service

All of those used to either stand alone, or were under direction of other cabinet positions. Is there any wonder that there's been so many problems? Take the Secret Service, for example, many within have said that the problems really kicked after they were folded under DHS after decades of running just fine on their own.

Plus, with that much under one roof, the people at the top spend an incredible amount of time reporting to the various committees and sub-committees in Congress, all susceptible to whatever political wind is blowing on that day. If they are spending most of their time on The Hill, then they ain't spending much time actually running the monstrosity.

I've always been amazed at the nonchalance that conservatives have treated the way the Bush Administration dramatically made inefficient bureaucracy even worse, growing the size of government to incredible levels at the same time. Now, any conservative can make the very valid point that all of those agencies are too much to begin with, and I would wholeheartedly agree. I just wish more agreements like that could be met with actual action to make improvements. One can dream.


I was under the initial impression when all this started that the DHS was there to co-ordinate information and response from the different agencies as needed. Now, like almost every Federal agency it's blown out of order.
It shouldn't be that DHS is over all the others, just a clearing place to help the left hand to know what the right hand is doing so there wouldn't be multiple operations working on the same problem and all agencies would know what the others do.


I think that was everyone's initial impression as well. The scope is just silly, though. FEMA, the TSA, the Coast Guard, Immigration, Customs and the Secret Service...just that group there pushes the boundaries of possible management even before you pile on all the others.

 

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If I was a government worker, I'd be rooting for any furlough or shutdown I could get. Paid holidays, and they always collect 100% of back pay.


Really? Suppose you got a couple kids in college, or your daughter is getting married, maybe you are taking care of elderly parents - and now you have to wait to get your paycheck? You would root for that? Really?


Let's see. Fish, play golf, sit around and wait for back pay? Hell, yes!

The case you make is a case for taking care of personal finances and living responsibly -- not living check to check. It's not that difficult.


Now alloak- That is just a low information post. The first line, the very first line of the article explains that 30,000 folks will be furloughed and 200,000 essential workers will report to work but will not get paid. So only 15% of these hard working Americans will have time on their hands.

Then you lecture us about living responsibly. When did you first buy health insurance? You expect us to believe that you can't see a situation, in your life, where a furlough could easily turn into a disaster? Think, if when you didn't have insurance, you were furloughed and decided to go to Wisconsin to try your hand at ice fishing. Unfortunately, while fishing, the ice gave way, your leg got broken in-between two giant ice chunks, you suffer hyperthermia and land in the hospital for a four day stay. You now have hospital bills, physical therapy, a broken leg, and no money to buy pain killers.

You really wish this forced shut down on your fellow Americans?

A simple web search reveals CNBC findings that 62% of Americans can't cover unexpected expenses. That was January of 2015. http://www.cnbc.com/id/102317918#.

In June of 2013 CNN Money reported 76% of Americans are living pay check to pay check.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/

So I ask again, You really think it is OK for these rich, entitled, pompous, hucksters in Congress to shut down your fellow American's paychecks?




So you are turning this into support for fiscal irresponsibility by federal employees?


It would appear that way. I can only compare my personal situation to that of a furloughed gov't employee. My company shuts down for a week I'm SOL on back pay. I would have to use vacation time to get paid, so it's still coming out of my hide one way or another. Would I expect a TSA employee to feel sorry for me? No.

Again, the lesson here IMO is to always be preparing for an emergency. Save and invest. Learn how to tell yourself "no." If you fail to live responsibly, don't expect people to feel sorry for you.

 

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For the record I have no problem permanently defunding the DHS. It seems the administration of the multi headed beast is a nightmare.

Virginia gave the toll roads to an Australian Company. That company now collects tolls on road Virginias paid to build. Outsourcing is the new government solution.

Perhaps there is a good Saudis Arabian or Iranian corporation that could run our Department of Homeland Security.

 

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They procrastinated knowing full well that the electorate is too tribal to blame the leaders.


This here be quite wise.

 

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For the record I have no problem permanently defunding the DHS. It seems the administration of the multi headed beast is a nightmare.

Virginia gave the toll roads to an Australian Company. That company now collects tolls on road Virginias paid to build. Outsourcing is the new government solution.

Perhaps there is a good Saudis Arabian or Iranian corporation that could run our Department of Homeland Security.


It's really just a management company now...and a horribly inefficient one at that. Return the autonomy to the agencies that had it for years (how many Secret Service scandals were there when they were running things on their own?), return relevant agencies to the cabinet sectors they were once under, and make other necessary adjustments.

 

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