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  posted on 11/11/2014 at 12:47 PM
This is unbelievable. This administration is nothing but lies The end justifies the means. This is how the liberal elites think. And their voters are the useful idiots.

Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-ye ah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605


 
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  posted on 11/11/2014 at 01:14 PM
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This is unbelievable. This administration is nothing but lies The end justifies the means. This is how the liberal elites think. And their voters are the useful idiots.

Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-ye ah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605




The American people did not vote on ACA Congress did so the article is just more BS.

 

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This is unbelievable. This administration is nothing but lies The end justifies the means. This is how the liberal elites think. And their voters are the useful idiots.

Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-ye ah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605




The American people did not vote on ACA Congress did so the article is just more BS.


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Only democrats voted on for obamacare and did so without reading the bill.

obama, his administration, pelosi and reid lied to the American People to push through bad legislation that a clear majority of the American people want repealed and replaced.



 

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  posted on 11/11/2014 at 01:32 PM
The video says it all.
Right from the mouth of a principle architect of Obamacare, deceit and lies were used to push through a politically motivated piece of crap law:

ObamaCare architect says lack of transparency helped law pass, cites 'stupidity of the American voter'

By Patrick Howley - Published November 10, 2014

Economist Jonathan Gruber speaks at a conference of the Workers Compensation Research Institute in Boston, Massachusetts, March 12, 2014. Dr. Gruber is a professor at MIT and the architect of the healthcare reform laws in Massachusetts and the American Affordable Care Act. REUTERS/Dominick Reuter (UNITED STATES - Tags: POLITICS BUSINESS) - RTR3GTJM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI

Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber said that lack of transparency was a major part of getting Obamacare passed because “the stupidity of the American voter” would have killed the law if more people knew what was in it.

Gruber, the MIT professor who served as a technical consultant to the Obama administration during Obamacare’s design, also made clear during a panel quietly captured on video that the individual mandate, which was only upheld by the Supreme Court because it was a tax, was not actually a tax.

“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass… Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.”

[The video was from an Oct. 17, 2013 event hosted by the University of Pennsylvania.]


 

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This is unbelievable. This administration is nothing but lies The end justifies the means. This is how the liberal elites think. And their voters are the useful idiots.

Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-ye ah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605




And you believe none of the Democrats read the bill? you really can't be that naďve can you

The American people did not vote on ACA Congress did so the article is just more BS.


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Only democrats voted on for obamacare and did so without reading the bill.

obama, his administration, pelosi and reid lied to the American People to push through bad legislation that a clear majority of the American people want repealed and replaced.




 

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" Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter "

Coming directly from the horses mouth yet you still call it BS.

This is from an administration that said is would be the most transparent administration ever.
They think you are stupid. They are smarter than you. The arrogance and narcissism is breathtaking

 

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" Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter "

Coming directly from the horses mouth yet you still call it BS.

This is from an administration that said is would be the most transparent administration ever.
They think you are stupid. They are smarter than you. The arrogance and narcissism is breathtaking


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Well said.
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  posted on 11/11/2014 at 02:35 PM
wasn't it Pelosi who said, "Let's just pass it and read it later"?

Nancy Pelosi. I get ill just typing her name...

 

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This is unbelievable. This administration is nothing but lies The end justifies the means. This is how the liberal elites think. And their voters are the useful idiots.

Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-ye ah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605




The American people did not vote on ACA Congress did so the article is just more BS.


And that matters how? That doesn't change the deceitful sliminess of the process one iota. Regardless of where you stand politically, don't you want to see this kind of garbage cleaned up?

 

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Gruber is an example an academician that is mired in abstraction and if one were to examine his career one could ascertain that he has never had a job that produced concrete results. He went to MIT and Harvard for economics and while that is no small feat he has never worked anywhere where results were required. His arrogance is beyond insulting to the many that have worked and spent years in the medical field who brought up the problems of this bill (now law) and that were ignored. Gruber's mindset is that of many of the so called Progressive elite who think that they know better and should be granted license to led the rest of the lemmings to the promised land. One thing that angers me about my liberal friends is that they do not demand performance and accountability of our government and only seek to expand it at every turn. It is also worth noting that Gruber was paid $400,000.00 for his effort in drafting the law and yet now that it is reaching fruition and is glaring deficiencies are noted he is unaccountable, which proves my point about his obsession with abstraction.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2014 at 09:36 PM
How many more times will the Obamacare believers have to admit the opponents have been correct? The concerns that became predictions are coming to fruition one by one.

That's what's ironic about Gruber's comments. Put it this way, the opponents sure weren't the stupid ones.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2014 at 10:49 PM
What???? A President lied? No way!!!! How could this happen???? I am outraged that such a thing could happen!!!
 

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How many more times will the Obamacare believers have to admit the opponents have been correct? The concerns that became predictions are coming to fruition one by one.

That's what's ironic about Gruber's comments. Put it this way, the opponents sure weren't the stupid ones.



Opponents have been correct about what? The law is working - more people are insured. Now that the republicans have the senate, the changes they are really finally talking about are minor things that everybody seems to think need tweaking - as with any major overhaul. Getting rid of the tax on medical devices, maybe offering something like the catastrophic care plans, removing certain mandates..... In Illinois, their are more companies and more plans in the exchanges, and prices are lower than were predicted. Many more have been covered because Illinois expanded medicaid. I know you hate it and keep badmouthing it, and it will take more than 1 year to get it right - but it was at least a step in the right direction for a lot of people.

 

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How many more times will the Obamacare believers have to admit the opponents have been correct? The concerns that became predictions are coming to fruition one by one.

That's what's ironic about Gruber's comments. Put it this way, the opponents sure weren't the stupid ones.



Opponents have been correct about what? The law is working - more people are insured. Now that the republicans have the senate, the changes they are really finally talking about are minor things that everybody seems to think need tweaking - as with any major overhaul. Getting rid of the tax on medical devices, maybe offering something like the catastrophic care plans, removing certain mandates..... In Illinois, their are more companies and more plans in the exchanges, and prices are lower than were predicted. Many more have been covered because Illinois expanded medicaid. I know you hate it and keep badmouthing it, and it will take more than 1 year to get it right - but it was at least a step in the right direction for a lot of people.


1) Cost overruns
2) Massive cancellations
3) Higher deductibles and copays
4) Shifts to part time work
5) Higher premiums
6) Undermines competition
7) Discourages enrollment of the young
8) Laden with hidden taxes
9) Based on one lie after another

And it's still early. Prices are higher where I live, with fewer providers to choose from. Why is Obamacare still so unpopular if it's "working" for so many people? Does heath insurance equal medical care?

Another prediction -- Obamacare will not survive in the USA.

 

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  posted on 11/12/2014 at 10:32 AM
People love Obamacare! They showed their appreciation by voting for the opponent of 28 Senators that passed it.
 

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A total digression here that is insurance related:

I have no real understanding of insurance, the Affordable Healthcare Act - "Obamacare" - any of that stuff. Something I do understand is personal priorities and responsibility.

Earlier this week a ... young woman that I know died unexpectedly. She had been experiencing symptoms that she thought was a bad backache. Since she did not have healthcare insurance - she decided not to go to a doctor. When her pain and symptoms got really bad, she called for a relative to come and take her to the hospital. By the time the relative arrived, she had stopped breathing. She died soon after arriving at the hospital.

Here's the lesson/lecture:

This woman was YOUNG and reasonably healthy. Probably like most young folks, she felt she was healthy enough and immune from anything bad - that she just might live forever.

She had no health insurance because she decided she could not afford it. Yet, she (like SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE) had a smart phone and service plan that she paid a premium for each month.

I don't mean to single out expensive cell phone service. But there are people (some who I am related to) who have expensive cell service, expanded cable/internet service, attend expensive concerts and who drive late model cars who DO NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE "THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT!".

Sling whatever mud towards your favorite/dis-favorite political party if you want.

But if you (or people you know) don't have health insurance - ask YOURSELF, "why not?".

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I don't know what to think of this guy or whether he should be taken at his word, but I do know one thing, US voters are pretty freaking stupid...or if not stupid, then insane.

Congress has a 14% approval rating, yet "we the people" just re-elected 95% of the incumbents that ran for re-election. If insanity can be defined as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, then we are truly insane (I saw "we" because I voted for the incumbent for US Senate as well, who is a republican by the way).

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Congress has 11% approval ratings but 96% incumbent reelection rate, meme says
By Nai Issa, Louis Jacobson on Tuesday, November 11th, 2014 at 4:56 p.m.

It would be an understatement to say that voters in the recently completed midterm elections didn’t exactly feel warm and fuzzy about incumbents on the ballot this year -- even about the ones they voted for. According to the 2014 exit poll of voters, 59 percent of those who voted said they weren’t happy with Republican leadership in Congress, even as they were handing control of the Senate to the GOP.

A meme making its way around social media, sent to PolitiFact by a reader, captured the frustration many Americans felt. The meme said, "11% approval ratings. 96.4% re-elected" -- in other words, Congress has 11 percent approval ratings, yet 96.4 percent of incumbent lawmakers were re-elected in 2014. The text was superimposed over a photograph of the House chamber in the Capitol.

We wondered whether that was true, so we took a look.

Does Congress have 11 percent approval ratings?

While the meme features a picture of the House chamber, the most common polling question refers to Congress generally, rather than the House specifically, so we looked at Congress’ approval ratings overall. We found congressional approval scores from October 2014 from five different pollsters on the poll-archive website PollingReport.com:

• Fox News: "Do you approve or disapprove of the job Congress is doing?" 13 percent said "approve."

• CBS News: "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job?" 14 percent said "approve."

• CNN/ORC: "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job?" 13 percent said "approve."

• ABC News/Washington Post: "Do you approve or disapprove of the way the U.S. Congress is doing its job?" 20 percent said "approve."

• NBC News/Wall Street Journal: "In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job that Congress is doing?" 12 percent said "approve."

That averages out to 14 percent -- slightly higher than 11 percent, but in the same, miserable ballpark.

Were 96.4 percent of congressional incumbents re-elected?

To be consistent with the polling, which covers Congress broadly, we’ll lump together the incumbent winning percentages in both the House and Senate. There are a few contests still to be decided, but there are enough settled that we can make a pretty close count.

In the House, we counted 390 incumbents who ran on Election Day. Of those, four haven’t had their races called as of Nov. 10, so we’ll set them aside. Of the remaining 386 incumbents, 373 won, for a winning percentage of 96.6 percent.

If you add in three incumbents who ran but lost in primaries, the incumbent winning percentage drops to 95.9 percent.

Meanwhile, in the Senate, 23 out of 26 incumbents won, with one more (Alaska’s Mark Begich, a Democrat) trailing in a race that has not yet been called, and another (Louisiana’s Mary Landrieu, also a Democrat) heading into a runoff.

If you don’t include Begich and Landrieu, the combined House-Senate incumbent winning percentage is 95.4 percent. If you do include them, it falls slightly to 95 percent.

All of these percentages are exceedingly close to the meme’s stated 96.4 percent, and they’re a moving target due to late-called races. So we won’t quibble.

Our ruling

The meme said that Congress has 11 percent approval ratings, yet 96.4 percent of incumbent lawmakers were re-elected.

We found small differences in the actual percentages -- Congress had roughly a 14 percent approval rate, and the incumbent re-election rate may be as low as 95 percent -- but the point of the meme is solid. Voters hold Congress in low regard, yet they re-elect almost everyone. So we rate the claim True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/nov/11/facebook-pos ts/congress-has-11-approval-ratings-96-incumbent-re-e/


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  posted on 11/12/2014 at 12:07 PM
Another tape surfaces of ObamaCare architect calling American people ‘stupid’

Published November 12, 2014 - FoxNews.com

New video of ObamaCare architect calling Americans stupid

http://patriotrising.com/2014/11/12/second-video-emerges-obamacare-architec t-calling-americans-stupid/

ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber apparently doesn't think much of the intelligence of the American people.

A new tape has surfaced showing Gruber, once again, claiming the health care law's authors took advantage of the "stupid" American public.

The tape, played on Fox News' "The Kelley File," showed Gruber speaking at an October 2013 event at Washington University in St. Louis.

Referring to the so-called "Cadillac tax" on high-end health plans, he said: "They proposed it and that passed, because the American people are too stupid to understand the difference."
Gruber specifically was referring to the way the "Cadillac tax" was designed -- he touted their plan to, instead of taxing policy holders, tax the insurance companies that offered them. He suggested that taxing individuals would have been politically unpalatable but taxing the companies worked because Americans didn't understand the difference.

This is similar to remarks he made at a separate event around the same time in 2013. In a clip of that event, Gruber said the "lack of transparency" in the way the law was crafted was critical. "Basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass," he said.

After the first tape surfaced -- prompting Republican outrage -- Gruber went on MSNBC to express regret. On Tuesday, he said: "I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke inappropriately, and I regret having made those comments."

But after Fox News played the second tape, GOP lawmakers said it proves what they've been saying all along.

"It confirms people's greatest fear about the government," Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., told Fox News on Wednesday. "Remember, it was Nancy Pelosi said first you have to pass it before you get to find out what's in it.

"We knew it was written in a way that it was really deliberately written to deceive the American people, and now people are paying the price."

As Congress returns for a lame-duck session, on the heels of midterm elections where Republicans won control of the Senate, GOP leaders say they will try once again next year to repeal the law -- or least change its most controversial provisions.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., blasted Gruber on Tuesday.
"I can't even get past the irony of that to even get to the arrogance of him calling our fellow citizens stupid," he told Fox News, referring to the administration's past transparency pledges.



 

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  posted on 11/12/2014 at 12:11 PM
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Another tape surfaces of ObamaCare architect calling American people ‘stupid’

At least he's not lying about it, right? The American people just re-elected 95% of the incumbents running for congress while at the same time giving them a 14% approval rating. Stupid is as stupid does.

 

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Another tape surfaces of ObamaCare architect calling American people ‘stupid’

At least he's not lying about it, right? The American people just re-elected 95% of the incumbents running for congress while at the same time giving them a 14% approval rating. Stupid is as stupid does.


check any economic indicator and 1) see where RI ranks and 2) look at the same boobs they (not me) vote for every election. This state can't even get republican opposition to our congressmen.

blue is as blue does.

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Another tape surfaces of ObamaCare architect calling American people ‘stupid’

At least he's not lying about it, right? The American people just re-elected 95% of the incumbents running for congress while at the same time giving them a 14% approval rating. Stupid is as stupid does.

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Well, that is one way to look at it from the loser’s standpoint.

Or could it be that the people, after seeing the obstruction of reid and the democrats, threw out the liberals and elected Republicans


 

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How many more times will the Obamacare believers have to admit the opponents have been correct? The concerns that became predictions are coming to fruition one by one.

That's what's ironic about Gruber's comments. Put it this way, the opponents sure weren't the stupid ones.



Opponents have been correct about what? The law is working - more people are insured. Now that the republicans have the senate, the changes they are really finally talking about are minor things that everybody seems to think need tweaking - as with any major overhaul. Getting rid of the tax on medical devices, maybe offering something like the catastrophic care plans, removing certain mandates..... In Illinois, their are more companies and more plans in the exchanges, and prices are lower than were predicted. Many more have been covered because Illinois expanded medicaid. I know you hate it and keep badmouthing it, and it will take more than 1 year to get it right - but it was at least a step in the right direction for a lot of people.


1) Cost overruns
2) Massive cancellations
3) Higher deductibles and copays
4) Shifts to part time work
5) Higher premiums
6) Undermines competition
7) Discourages enrollment of the young
8) Laden with hidden taxes
9) Based on one lie after another

And it's still early. Prices are higher where I live, with fewer providers to choose from. Why is Obamacare still so unpopular if it's "working" for so many people? Does heath insurance equal medical care?

Another prediction -- Obamacare will not survive in the USA.



How does more companies and more plans on the exchanges result in less competition? In Illinois the average increase in premiums is 2.6% - much less than it has been in the past. You can throw your 9 points out there with no proof, but it doesn't mean they are right....

Just because your state decided to not promote Obamacare or take the medicaid help doesn't mean it is that way everywhere......

 

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Another tape surfaces of ObamaCare architect calling American people ‘stupid’

At least he's not lying about it, right? The American people just re-elected 95% of the incumbents running for congress while at the same time giving them a 14% approval rating. Stupid is as stupid does.

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Well, that is one way to look at it from the loser’s standpoint.

Or could it be that the people, after seeing the obstruction of reid and the democrats, threw out the liberals and elected Republicans



Loser's standpoint? The Senate candidate I voted for, a republican, won in a landslide. Of course she was also an incumbent so I'm stupid as well.



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  posted on 11/12/2014 at 12:44 PM
One of the things that is just as much a scandal is the lack of coverage this is getting by the national networks and the so called "journalist" You wonder why so much of the country is ignorant. The left obviously wants this,They want stupid voters. Now they complain that they couldn't get enough useful idiots out to the polls to vote for the left wing that is driving this country into the ground. Matter of fact the University of Pennsylvania had this you tube video up , tried to take it down when they realized the attention it was getting. The academia, main stream media can now be seen for what they are , arrogant with a sense of entitlement. They are above you. I guess it is more important to cover the arrival of winter than it is to cover an administration that outright lied to deceive the American people about one of the biggest bills ever. With people that didn't even read it before passing it. The fact that any one of them is still in office shows how stupid this country is.
 

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A total digression here that is insurance related:

I have no real understanding of insurance, the Affordable Healthcare Act - "Obamacare" - any of that stuff. Something I do understand is personal priorities and responsibility.

Earlier this week a ... young woman that I know died unexpectedly. She had been experiencing symptoms that she thought was a bad backache. Since she did not have healthcare insurance - she decided not to go to a doctor. When her pain and symptoms got really bad, she called for a relative to come and take her to the hospital. By the time the relative arrived, she had stopped breathing. She died soon after arriving at the hospital.

Here's the lesson/lecture:

This woman was YOUNG and reasonably healthy. Probably like most young folks, she felt she was healthy enough and immune from anything bad - that she just might live forever.

She had no health insurance because she decided she could not afford it. Yet, she (like SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE) had a smart phone and service plan that she paid a premium for each month.

I don't mean to single out expensive cell phone service. But there are people (some who I am related to) who have expensive cell service, expanded cable/internet service, attend expensive concerts and who drive late model cars who DO NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE "THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT!".

Sling whatever mud towards your favorite/dis-favorite political party if you want.

But if you (or people you know) don't have health insurance - ask YOURSELF, "why not?".

Please feel free to return to the regularly scheduled bickering.


Very well said; there was an internet article recently with people complaining how that had to cut back on "electronics purchases" to go on vacation.

As a physician I can only tell you that the crisis is getting worse; and the gov't needs to provide national health care (with option to buy into higher levels of care.) So many of these policies have huge deductibles/co-pays and people therefore don't use them as frequently because the can't afford to. More and more people are not paying their bills and don't return for care. Catastrophic plans are really only for the wealthy; most people don't have 10K - 20K available for emergencies.

Spoke to someone from Holland; and the gov't there requires people to pay a fair amount for the gov't plan. They also won't let people declare bankruptcy. You have a debt in never goes away.

Everyone needs health care; but they need to be partially responsible for it financially. And yes; an I-Phone 6 is not your birthright - it is a luxury

 
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