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  posted on 9/1/2014 at 06:36 PM
The British PM shows he has a big brass set (#1 below), Democrat leadership calls for Obama to grow a pair (#2 below)

In a strong speech by Brittan’s Prime Minister, England will stand up against to ISIS.

Even King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has made a robust speech warning of the evil of ISIS and its threats against The Middle East and The West to include England and America.

In Obama’s speech: “We don’t’ have a plan”

The Obama administration has been warned of the growing threat of ISIS for over four years but Obama will not act. Last January, Obama called ISIS a junior varsity.
Hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered but Obama in more interested in attending fund raisers at functions by the 1%ers and the other Wall Street fat-cats.

While Obama’s own party is calling for him to act, he refuses because it doesn’t fit his political agenda.

One of the advantages of being a world power is that a strong nation can help the people being killed by terrorists.

Another 9/11 type terror attack will occur in America because, while we have been warned, its president is a coward.

1.) Britain's Cameron asks for tough anti-terrorism laws to defeat 'scourge of extremism'

Published September 01, 2014 - Associated Press

British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday proposed sweeping legislation to combat the “scourge of extremism,” amid the fast and powerful rise of the extremist group Islamic State.
Cameron officially asked the House of Commons to agree to several temporary measures he proposed late last week, including the power to seize passports of suspected British jihadists leaving the country and controlling where they can move within the country.
“As I’ve said all along, this is not a knee-jerk response or sweeping, blanket changes that would be ineffective,” he said. “It’s not about just new powers, but about how we tackle extremism in all forms. … We will in the end defeat this extremism.”
In addition to laying out measures to defeat terrorism, Cameron also addressed the situations in Ukraine and Israel's Gaza Strip.
Offering what he called “a tough and patient approach,” Cameron said Britain must fill two key gaps to thwarting religious extremists like the Islamic State, whose members are responsible for the murder of American journalist James Foley.
He said his proposed legislation would give police officers temporary power to seize passports at the border. Secondly, he said it was key that Britain work to keep out foreign fighters who return from the Middle East and pose a threat to the nation, which recently upgraded its terror alert from substantial to severe.
Cameron said that Britain must prevent those suspected of extremism from traveling out of the country.
“Passports are not an automatic right,” he told his colleagues. He said to date, 500 people from the UK have left the country to fight in Iraq and Syria; 700 have left France to fight and Germany has seen 400 people exit to join religious extremists.
Cameron is asking for the changes essentially to prevent attacks on Britain by Islamist militants coming and going for terror training in the Middle East.
His get-tough proposals come amid calls in the United States for President Obama to announce a comprehensive plan to combat Islamic State, formerly known as ISIS, which started in Syria and has now taken control of much of northern Iraq. The group late last month released a video of a fighter -- suspected to be a British rapper -- beheading Foley.
The other proposals made by Cameron are to tighten aviation security by demanding airlines submit passenger flight lists, or not be allowed to land, and to exclude British nationals from return to Britain.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

2.) Heads of House, Senate intelligence panels warn of threat from Islamic State fighters in US

Published August 31, 2014 - Associated Press

WASHINGTON – Leaders of the House and Senate intelligence committees on Sunday prodded President Barack Obama to take decisive action against what they say are growing threats from Islamic State militants on U.S. soil.
The lawmakers, one Republican and one Democratic, offered bipartisan pressure on the White House to turn back the hazard of Islamist fighters who have taken control of vast swaths of Syria and Iraq. Those militants now are looking toward the United States or Western Europe for its next targets, lawmakers said.
Without offering specifics on any threats, the lawmakers said Obama soon needs to develop a comprehensive strategy to crush the fighters.
"His foreign policy is in absolute free-fall," said Rep. Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican who heads the House Intelligence Committee.
In another TV interview, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who leads the Senate intelligence panel, said Obama is perhaps "too cautious" in his approach to combatting the Islamic State group.
"This is a group of people who are extraordinarily dangerous," Feinstein said. "And they'll kill with abandon."
The pair of lawmakers, who have access to some of the nation's most sensitive secrets and receive regular and detailed briefings from the nation's spy agencies, offered dire predictions of an attack on the United States or its European allies if the militants are not confronted.
"They have announced that they don't intend to stop," Feinstein said. "They have announced that they will come after us if they can, that they will, quote, 'spill our blood.'"
The threat, Rogers said, could include Americans who have trained with Islamic State fighters. He said there are hundreds of Islamic State-trained Americans who can return to the United States with their American passports.
"I'm very concerned because we don't know every single person that has an American passport that has gone and trained and learned how to fight," Rogers said.
Rogers said U.S. intelligence agencies were tracking the Americans who are known to have traveled to the region. Those people, he added, should be charged under existing laws that prohibit Americans from aiding terrorists.
An attack on a Western nation is the next goal for the group, Rogers said.
"ISIL would like to have a Western-style attack to continue this notion that they are the leading jihadist group in the world," Rogers said, using another name for the group.
The top Democrat on his intelligence panel, Rep. C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland, was more skeptical about an attack from Islamic State fighters in the United States. He said more needs to be known before judging whether they plan to commit terrorist acts here any time soon. Islamic State fighters are taking over territory and their priority for the moment seems to be to hold on to that land rather than export violence.
"It is extremely urgent, but you don't just rush in," he said.
Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican who serves on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, urged fast action and said Islamic State fighters "must be defeated, not contained."
"This is a direct threat to the United States of America," McCain said.
Feinstein said she has seen nothing that compares to the viciousness of the militants who have overrun large portions of Iraq, killed civilians and beheaded American journalist James Foley. The Islamic State group has financing, military structure and weapons unlike any other militants, she said.
Obama said Thursday that he did not yet have a strategy for dealing with the Islamic State organization, a remark that brought criticism from Democrats and Republicans. In an interview published early this year by The New Yorker, the president appeared to minimize the Islamic State group by comparing it to a junior varsity basketball team. The White House later said he was speaking about a different threat posed by a range of extremists across the world.
Feinstein said she thought the basketball analogy was wrong — "I think it's a major varsity team" — but would not say whether she thought not having a strategy yet, as Obama acknowledged on Thursday, projected weakness from the White House.
"I think I've learned one thing about this president, and that is he's very cautious," she said. "Maybe in this instance, too cautious. I do know that the military, I know that the State Department, I know that others have been putting plans together. And so hopefully, those plans will coalesce into a strategy."
Feinstein spoke to NBC's "Meet the Press." Rogers appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Ruppersberger was on CNN's "State of the Union." McCain was interviewed on CBS' "Face the Nation."

Obama: “We don’t’ have a plan”



 
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  posted on 9/1/2014 at 08:52 PM
No matter what he does, he is vilified. He tells the plans, and he is called out for letting the enemy know what we are doing. He says we have no plan (who knows if he really has one), and he is called out for not having a plan. Sorry, you can't keep having it both ways......

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I rather have a president proceed with caution than one who invades the wrong country leading to this mess to begin with. Too bad Sadaam Hussein is gone. He would have crushed ISIS like a grape plus continue to keep Iran in check. Just like Reagan and Rumsfeld envisioned when they buddied up with him to begin with. That was one of the only smart things Reagan ever did.

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No matter what e does, he is vilified. He tells the plans, and he is called out for letting the enemy know what we are doing. He says we have no plan (who knows if he really has one), and he is called out for not having a plan. Sorry, you can't keep having it both ways......

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I rather have a president proceed with caution than one who invades the wrong country leading to this mess to begin with. Too bad Sadaam Hussein is gone. He would have crushed ISIS like a grape plus continue to keep Iran in check. Just like Reagan and Rumsfeld envisioned when they buddied up with him to begin with. That was one of the only smart things Reagan ever did.

[Edited on 9/2/2014 by Peachypetewi]

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Wow, re-arguing history much based on an old, lame and wrong political ideology?

I must assume that you agree with Obama's policy of leading from behind and failing to do his job.

 

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No matter what e does, he is vilified. He tells the plans, and he is called out for letting the enemy know what we are doing. He says we have no plan (who knows if he really has one), and he is called out for not having a plan. Sorry, you can't keep having it both ways......

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Ah but we can have it both ways.
As long as Obama continues to run the country based on his political agenda instead of in the citizens interest, we will be all over him.





So what is the political agenda regarding ISIS? Or which one have you made up in your mind?

 

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No matter what e does, he is vilified. He tells the plans, and he is called out for letting the enemy know what we are doing. He says we have no plan (who knows if he really has one), and he is called out for not having a plan. Sorry, you can't keep having it both ways......

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Ah but we can have it both ways.
As long as Obama continues to run the country based on his political agenda instead of in the citizens interest, we will be all over him.





So what is the political agenda regarding ISIS? Or which one have you made up in your mind?


With everything going on in the world I nominate Randy Newman for Secretary of State

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iiv-6fMKyY

 

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No matter what e does, he is vilified. He tells the plans, and he is called out for letting the enemy know what we are doing. He says we have no plan (who knows if he really has one), and he is called out for not having a plan. Sorry, you can't keep having it both ways......

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Ah but we can have it both ways.
As long as Obama continues to run the country based on his political agenda instead of in the citizens interest, we will be all over him.


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Obama's political agenda prevents him from engaging ISIS.




So what is the political agenda regarding ISIS? Or which one have you made up in your mind?

 

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  posted on 9/2/2014 at 02:05 PM
How can you tell when Obama presidency is in trouble?
The left-wing media reports his failure:

The National Journal – Ron Fournier
http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/the-summer-of-obama-s-disconnect -20140902

The New York Times – Frank Bruni
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/opinion/frank-bruni-obamas-messy-words.ht ml?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-top-span-reg ion&region=c-column-top-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region &_r=0


BTW – ISIS has beheaded another American

Good job Obama…



 

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No matter what e does, he is vilified. He tells the plans, and he is called out for letting the enemy know what we are doing. He says we have no plan (who knows if he really has one), and he is called out for not having a plan. Sorry, you can't keep having it both ways......

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As long as Obama continues to run the country based on his political agenda instead of in the citizens interest, we will be all over him.


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Obama's political agenda prevents him from engaging ISIS.




So what is the political agenda regarding ISIS? Or which one have you made up in your mind?




Great non-answer!

 

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No matter what e does, he is vilified. He tells the plans, and he is called out for letting the enemy know what we are doing. He says we have no plan (who knows if he really has one), and he is called out for not having a plan. Sorry, you can't keep having it both ways......

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Ah but we can have it both ways.
As long as Obama continues to run the country based on his political agenda instead of in the citizens interest, we will be all over him.


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Obama's political agenda prevents him from engaging ISIS.




So what is the political agenda regarding ISIS? Or which one have you made up in your mind?




Great non-answer!

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  posted on 9/2/2014 at 06:34 PM
The replies to this thread by the liberals all attack me, President Bush or allude to some other irrelevant issue but never to the fact of the incompetence and failure of Obama.

I must conclude you simply incapable of defending Obama’s lack of leadership or unwillingness to defend the nation.

Can’t you even drag up some of Obama’s rhetoric? Try borrowing something from one of daily empty speeches where he harangues with lofty focus group tested phrases but always lacks any specifics.

ISIS beheaded another American today.
Obama's response... nothing.
At least his lack of leadership is consistent.




 

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Obama's response... nothing.


Saying this while the American military is actively engaged with terrorist targets around the world is the epitome of empty political rhetoric, just like virtually everything you post. It is also disrespectful to the men and women who are risking their lives at this very moment.

 

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  posted on 9/2/2014 at 07:22 PM
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/extended-interviews/y423hc/hassan-abbas-extended -interview
 

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  posted on 9/2/2014 at 09:58 PM
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Obama's response... nothing.


Saying this while the American military is actively engaged with terrorist targets around the world is the epitome of empty political rhetoric, just like virtually everything you post. It is also disrespectful to the men and women who are risking their lives at this very moment.

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The "disrespect" you refer to didn't stop the liberals from constantly criticizing President Bush.
As for the men and women serving, I served in The Corps. for 7 years.

Which uniform did you wear or were you hiding under you momma's shirt?

 

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  posted on 9/2/2014 at 10:00 PM
And yet again, none of your can justify Obama's failure to lead.

 

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And yet again, none of your can justify Obama's failure to lead.

Have another drink numbnuts. you are the second coming of rbk or fletch

 

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Obama's response... nothing.


Saying this while the American military is actively engaged with terrorist targets around the world is the epitome of empty political rhetoric, just like virtually everything you post. It is also disrespectful to the men and women who are risking their lives at this very moment.

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The "disrespect" you refer to didn't stop the liberals from constantly criticizing President Bush.
As for the men and women serving, I served in The Corps. for 7 years.

Which uniform did you wear or were you hiding under you momma's shirt?


So I guess personal attacks are ok as long as you are the one doing it.

 

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Obama's response... nothing.


Saying this while the American military is actively engaged with terrorist targets around the world is the epitome of empty political rhetoric, just like virtually everything you post. It is also disrespectful to the men and women who are risking their lives at this very moment.

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Which uniform did you wear or were you hiding under you momma's shirt?



Like Dick Cheney I had Other Priorities

 

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  posted on 9/3/2014 at 10:57 AM
And so it continues... the liberals can't justify Obama's lack of leadership and failed administration.
Are y'all running over to Syria to join in the Jihad?

 

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The British PM shows he has a big brass set (#1 below), Democrat leadership calls for Obama to grow a pair (#2 below)

In a strong speech by Brittan’s Prime Minister, England will stand up against to ISIS.

Even King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has made a robust speech warning of the evil of ISIS and its threats against The Middle East and The West to include England and America.

In Obama’s speech: “We don’t’ have a plan”

The Obama administration has been warned of the growing threat of ISIS for over four years but Obama will not act. Last January, Obama called ISIS a junior varsity.
Hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered but Obama in more interested in attending fund raisers at functions by the 1%ers and the other Wall Street fat-cats.

While Obama’s own party is calling for him to act, he refuses because it doesn’t fit his political agenda.

One of the advantages of being a world power is that a strong nation can help the people being killed by terrorists.

Another 9/11 type terror attack will occur in America because, while we have been warned, its president is a coward.

1.) Britain's Cameron asks for tough anti-terrorism laws to defeat 'scourge of extremism'

Published September 01, 2014 - Associated Press

British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday proposed sweeping legislation to combat the “scourge of extremism,” amid the fast and powerful rise of the extremist group Islamic State.
Cameron officially asked the House of Commons to agree to several temporary measures he proposed late last week, including the power to seize passports of suspected British jihadists leaving the country and controlling where they can move within the country.
“As I’ve said all along, this is not a knee-jerk response or sweeping, blanket changes that would be ineffective,” he said. “It’s not about just new powers, but about how we tackle extremism in all forms. … We will in the end defeat this extremism.”
In addition to laying out measures to defeat terrorism, Cameron also addressed the situations in Ukraine and Israel's Gaza Strip.
Offering what he called “a tough and patient approach,” Cameron said Britain must fill two key gaps to thwarting religious extremists like the Islamic State, whose members are responsible for the murder of American journalist James Foley.
He said his proposed legislation would give police officers temporary power to seize passports at the border. Secondly, he said it was key that Britain work to keep out foreign fighters who return from the Middle East and pose a threat to the nation, which recently upgraded its terror alert from substantial to severe.
Cameron said that Britain must prevent those suspected of extremism from traveling out of the country.
“Passports are not an automatic right,” he told his colleagues. He said to date, 500 people from the UK have left the country to fight in Iraq and Syria; 700 have left France to fight and Germany has seen 400 people exit to join religious extremists.
Cameron is asking for the changes essentially to prevent attacks on Britain by Islamist militants coming and going for terror training in the Middle East.
His get-tough proposals come amid calls in the United States for President Obama to announce a comprehensive plan to combat Islamic State, formerly known as ISIS, which started in Syria and has now taken control of much of northern Iraq. The group late last month released a video of a fighter -- suspected to be a British rapper -- beheading Foley.
The other proposals made by Cameron are to tighten aviation security by demanding airlines submit passenger flight lists, or not be allowed to land, and to exclude British nationals from return to Britain.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

2.) Heads of House, Senate intelligence panels warn of threat from Islamic State fighters in US

Published August 31, 2014 - Associated Press

WASHINGTON – Leaders of the House and Senate intelligence committees on Sunday prodded President Barack Obama to take decisive action against what they say are growing threats from Islamic State militants on U.S. soil.
The lawmakers, one Republican and one Democratic, offered bipartisan pressure on the White House to turn back the hazard of Islamist fighters who have taken control of vast swaths of Syria and Iraq. Those militants now are looking toward the United States or Western Europe for its next targets, lawmakers said.
Without offering specifics on any threats, the lawmakers said Obama soon needs to develop a comprehensive strategy to crush the fighters.
"His foreign policy is in absolute free-fall," said Rep. Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican who heads the House Intelligence Committee.
In another TV interview, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who leads the Senate intelligence panel, said Obama is perhaps "too cautious" in his approach to combatting the Islamic State group.
"This is a group of people who are extraordinarily dangerous," Feinstein said. "And they'll kill with abandon."
The pair of lawmakers, who have access to some of the nation's most sensitive secrets and receive regular and detailed briefings from the nation's spy agencies, offered dire predictions of an attack on the United States or its European allies if the militants are not confronted.
"They have announced that they don't intend to stop," Feinstein said. "They have announced that they will come after us if they can, that they will, quote, 'spill our blood.'"
The threat, Rogers said, could include Americans who have trained with Islamic State fighters. He said there are hundreds of Islamic State-trained Americans who can return to the United States with their American passports.
"I'm very concerned because we don't know every single person that has an American passport that has gone and trained and learned how to fight," Rogers said.
Rogers said U.S. intelligence agencies were tracking the Americans who are known to have traveled to the region. Those people, he added, should be charged under existing laws that prohibit Americans from aiding terrorists.
An attack on a Western nation is the next goal for the group, Rogers said.
"ISIL would like to have a Western-style attack to continue this notion that they are the leading jihadist group in the world," Rogers said, using another name for the group.
The top Democrat on his intelligence panel, Rep. C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland, was more skeptical about an attack from Islamic State fighters in the United States. He said more needs to be known before judging whether they plan to commit terrorist acts here any time soon. Islamic State fighters are taking over territory and their priority for the moment seems to be to hold on to that land rather than export violence.
"It is extremely urgent, but you don't just rush in," he said.
Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican who serves on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, urged fast action and said Islamic State fighters "must be defeated, not contained."
"This is a direct threat to the United States of America," McCain said.
Feinstein said she has seen nothing that compares to the viciousness of the militants who have overrun large portions of Iraq, killed civilians and beheaded American journalist James Foley. The Islamic State group has financing, military structure and weapons unlike any other militants, she said.
Obama said Thursday that he did not yet have a strategy for dealing with the Islamic State organization, a remark that brought criticism from Democrats and Republicans. In an interview published early this year by The New Yorker, the president appeared to minimize the Islamic State group by comparing it to a junior varsity basketball team. The White House later said he was speaking about a different threat posed by a range of extremists across the world.
Feinstein said she thought the basketball analogy was wrong — "I think it's a major varsity team" — but would not say whether she thought not having a strategy yet, as Obama acknowledged on Thursday, projected weakness from the White House.
"I think I've learned one thing about this president, and that is he's very cautious," she said. "Maybe in this instance, too cautious. I do know that the military, I know that the State Department, I know that others have been putting plans together. And so hopefully, those plans will coalesce into a strategy."
Feinstein spoke to NBC's "Meet the Press." Rogers appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Ruppersberger was on CNN's "State of the Union." McCain was interviewed on CBS' "Face the Nation."

Obama: “We don’t’ have a plan”





Ha ha ha ha, You've got to be kidding! Cameron has spent the last week trying to find a way to reintroduce security legislation the previous Government had in place, That he got rid of!!!!.......Without actually admitting what he's doing of course. Cameron hasn't a clue!

 

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  posted on 9/3/2014 at 01:23 PM
So Mule you keep citing Obama's lack of leadership but what exactly do you propose he does in this case? Put more boots on the ground in Iraq? And how exactly is it Obama's fault that the two journalist were beheaded? How could he possibly have prevented that?

Lets say he did escalate our military involvement and we beat back ISIS temporarily it would just be a band aid since as soon as we would leave ISIS would rise again and just restart a vicious cycle where we would have to eventually go back in and beat them back again and again. If you want proof all you have to do is look at Afghanistan where the Taliban are just bidding their time waiting for us top leave and they will once again grab power. Bush and his lackeys should have learned from Vietnam that unless the local populace is motivated to defend their freedom no amount of U.S. military involvement will win it for them.

I find it interesting that you think the British PM has balls by talking tough. Action speaks louder then words so how is he going to back up the tough talk? Unless their oil supply is threatened I am betting none of our Allies are going to get sucked into a military option and I don't blame them as Bush is the one who created this trainwreck and there is no solution in sight how to end the nightmare.


So come on Mule tell us what action Obama should be taking to show this missing leadership you keep mentioning.




 

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  posted on 9/3/2014 at 01:54 PM
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Agree with most of what you had to say; but the problem is not merely of Bush's creating. We can't enforce freedom in the middle east. All we see is a succession of one regime worse than the next - using our aid to gain power and then showing themselves no better than their predecessors.

We either fight the world or batten down our borders and watch for terrorism. Britain is talking about severely limiting passport usage by its citizens. The way things are going I'm not sure if I want to travel anywhere; unless we get our act together here re: border security America will follow close behind.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2014 at 01:56 PM
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And so it continues... the liberals can't justify Obama's lack of leadership and failed administration.
Are y'all running over to Syria to join in the Jihad?



Your incoherent reasoning skills along with your non-reality non-fact based thought process is truly on display here. I'm going to bow out here. I wish you good luck in your attempt to defend your non-fact based arguments going forward (with someone else who doesn't care about wasting so much time chatting with delusional people).

[Edited on 9/3/2014 by Peachypetewi]

 

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  posted on 9/3/2014 at 03:06 PM
Thanks emr but I wonder if we would have the current mess in the Middle East if we had not invaded Iraq, removed Hussein from power on the phony WMD excuse, and destabilized the entire region. I am not saying Saddam was a good guy but what is filling the vacuum certainly does not seem like an improvement so sorry but I do think Bush helped create the current middle east trainwreck by going into Afghanistan and Iraq.

You know I read an interesting interview with one of Bin Laden's sons in Rolling Stone in 2010 where he mentioned that his fathers goal was to get the U.S. involved in Afghanistan. I think he hit the nail on the head when he stated Bin Laden won the minute we went into that country and Iraq was just a bonus for him.

Here is one of the most interesting of his observations IMHO.

My father's dream was to bring the Americans to Afghanistan. He would do the same thing he did to the Russians. I was surprised the Americans took the bait. I so much respected the mentality of President Clinton. He was the one who was smart. When my father attacked his places, he sent a few cruise missiles to my father's training camp. He didn't get my father, but after all the war in Afghanistan, they still don't have my father. They have spent hundreds of billions. Better for America to keep the money for its economy. In Clinton's time, America was very, very smart. Not like a bull that runs after the red scarf.

"I was still in Afghanistan when Bush was elected," he continues. "My father was so happy. This is the kind of president he needs — one who will attack and spend money and break the country. Even Bush's own mother says he is the biggest idiot boy of his family. I am sure my father wanted McCain more than Obama. McCain has the same mentality as Bush. My father would be disappointed because Obama get the position."

"Do you think Obama can win in Afghanistan?"

"Out of what you see," Omar asks, "what do you think?"

According to Omar, Americans are actually lucky that his father has not been captured or killed. "It is going to be worse when my father dies," he says. "The world is going to be very, very nasty then. It will be a disaster."

"Omar always says that without the head, the arms and legs will run wherever," Zaina says.

"I know this for a fact," Omar says. "People were always asking my father to attack more. They would say, 'Sheik, we must do more.' Crazy **** ing things. My father has a religious goal. He is controlled by the rules of jihad. He only kills if he thinks there is a need."

"Will there be more attacks?" I ask.

"I don't think so," Omar says. "He doesn't need to. As soon as America went to Afghanistan, his plan worked. He has already won."


Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/osamas-prodigal-son-20100120?page =7

 
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