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  posted on 7/17/2014 at 12:12 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/maylasian-plane-crash-ukraine-russia-153426322.html

OMG..........the world we live in continues to get scarier and scarier.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2014 at 05:01 PM
At least 154 passengers with Dutch nationality were onboard. A much higher figure that at first was assumed.
Tomorrow is a day of national mourning. It currently looks like those Separatists screwed up. They thought they have shot down a Ukranian military transport aircraft but found out they destroyed a commercial airliner with 295 innocent casualties. Wouldn't be surpised if unexperienced and untrained troops were launching a complicated missile system they don't know **** about. F@cked up world indeed.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2014 at 05:08 PM
World Wars have been started over less grievous situations.

This is really bad.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2014 at 10:34 PM
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OMG..........the world we live in continues to get scarier and scarier.


Don't say you weren't warned.

 

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  posted on 7/18/2014 at 05:22 AM
28 Australians were on this Malaysian Airlines flight. A grandfather from Western Australia was bringing his 3 young grandchildren home from a European vacation. Their parents were on a later flight and must be completely devastated. this is a dreadful tragedy.
Blame is on Pro-Russian activists for now. Some military/terrorism experts are saying this was not a mistake..

 

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  posted on 7/18/2014 at 07:12 AM
maybe this will wake up the rest of the European union member states that a hands off or not our fight mentality for conflicts in the middle of Europe can have unexpected consequences. Ukraine after all, was being groomed for EU member state acceptance. Since the conflict started there has been no real Eu effort to do much...

 

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  posted on 7/18/2014 at 07:29 AM
I did not think a surface to air missle would be able to travel 30,000 plus feet to knock a plane out. And also I dont think military transport aircraft travel that high either. Could be wrong though.

Hate to be negative, but I think we are living in the end times.

[Edited on 7/18/2014 by jszfunk]

 

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  posted on 7/18/2014 at 09:25 AM
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I did not think a surface to air missle would be able to travel 30,000 plus feet to knock a plane out. And also I dont think military transport aircraft travel that high either. Could be wrong though.



[Edited on 7/18/2014 by jszfunk]


Yes it could....

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-plane-crash/sa-11-buk-missile-dati ng-soviet-era-eyed-mh17-attack-n159106

 

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  posted on 7/18/2014 at 09:36 AM
to me it looks like a mistake by amateurs with new toys they don't know how to properly use. why commercial airlines were still flying over a war zone is what I don't understand. the outcome of this is probably sending more weapons into the war zone and more sanctions, other than that I don't think much will happen.
 

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  posted on 7/19/2014 at 07:45 PM
This is Obama's fault. If he were more of a man, and a more respected leader, the militants would've been too afraid to take down that airliner.
 

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  posted on 7/19/2014 at 08:10 PM
Clearly, they need to start allowing people to carry guns onto airplanes so that they can defend themselves from this type of attack.
 

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  posted on 7/19/2014 at 09:28 PM
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This is Obama's fault. If he were more of a man, and a more respected leader, the militants would've been too afraid to take down that airliner.


You got it. The below from John McCain - the 2008 2nd place finisher still grumpy from his loss to Obama.


Mr. McCain said that Mr. Obama is running a “cowardly administration that failed to give the Ukrainians weapons with which to defend themselves.”

McCain's comments came during an appearance on Fox's Hannity show. He said that if Obama had simply armed the Ukrainians, then "these separatists may not even have occupied and had access to these weapons, which apparently, they got at an airfield."

So according to expert McCain, if Obama had simply weaponized Ukraine, then these separatists never would have been able to get the weapon system they used to bring down the airplane. But hold on a moment ... how does McCain know that the missiles were obtained at an airfield, and that they weren't provided to the separatists by Russian military—or that Russian military personnel may have actually been operating the weapons?

Well, based on this statement, also by McCain, and delivered during the same interview, it's pretty clear he has no idea, because just after saying that the people who shot down the plane did so with weapons they found at an airfield, he said that the separatists weren't actually separatists but were actually in fact Russian special operation forces: To me, it's compelling evidence that this was done by the so-called separatists, which are, by the way, special operations, special forces of Russians, that are Russian-trained Russian military that call themselves separatists.

Literally within seconds, McCain's story went from accusing Obama of letting a Ukrainian missile system fall into the wrong hands to accusing Russia of maintaining a special operation force that was responsible for shooting down the plane. Who knows, both of those scenarios seem plausible, but not at the same time ... unless, of course, your priority is attacking President Obama, which obviously is bitter McCain's real agenda.


Published By: Daily Kos - Yesterday

http://left.gotnewswire.com/news/mccain-blames-cowardly-obama-administratio n-for-allowing-plane-attack

 

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  posted on 7/19/2014 at 10:17 PM
As an Anti-War Progressive I find the actions in the Ukraine and the Middle East reprehensible. No matter how far we advance with technology and science war is a trait of primitive peoples.

I'm so frustrated I could explode.

Where are those "mother's little helpers".

 

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  posted on 7/20/2014 at 08:41 AM
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Who knows, both of those scenarios seem plausible, but not at the same time ... unless, of course, your priority is attacking President Obama, which obviously is bitter McCain's real agenda.



THANK YOU

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Clearly, they need to start allowing people to carry guns onto airplanes so that they can defend themselves from this type of attack.


LMAO!!! Thanks for the morning belly laugh! I wish this really were funny, though......it's not.

 

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  posted on 7/20/2014 at 03:49 PM
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I did not think a surface to air missle would be able to travel 30,000 plus feet to knock a plane out. And also I dont think military transport aircraft travel that high either. Could be wrong though.

Hate to be negative, but I think we are living in the end times.

[Edited on 7/18/2014 by jszfunk]


From what I heard a US General say before on the news one of those missiles could take down a plane at 45,000 feet when fired properly.

 

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  posted on 7/20/2014 at 09:17 PM
Wow, I cannot believe McCain uttered those dispicable words. What a shameful disgusting human being.
 

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  posted on 7/21/2014 at 06:57 AM
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Wow, I cannot believe McCain uttered those dispicable words. What a shameful disgusting human being.


Someone needs to remind him it's 2014 & not the fall of 2007. John...it's OK...you can stop campaigning. Maybe he should throw his hat into the GOP ring for the next round.

 

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Wow, I cannot believe McCain uttered those dispicable words. What a shameful disgusting human being.


Someone needs to remind him it's 2014 & not the fall of 2007. John...it's OK...you can stop campaigning. Maybe he should throw his hat into the GOP ring for the next round.



Then again, maybe not.

 

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  posted on 7/22/2014 at 05:12 PM
How about the effin Europeans growing some balls and enacting stronger sanctions on Russia!!! This is mostly their problem so why do we always have to take the forefront in these situations. Always the USA to the rescue and we get any and all flack and we always pay the whole bill while we have so many problems at home and our infrastructure crumbles. Meanwhile in Europe they continue to build up their fancy new infrastructures knowing that the USA will come to their aid any time there is a problem in their part of the world. We are suckers and we need to start telling European contries both allies and other to start building their own militaries with their own money and stop counting on the US to bail them out of every problem at our expense so we can invest in our own crumbling infrastructure. Too much already!!!

 

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  posted on 7/22/2014 at 07:23 PM
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How about the effin Europeans growing some balls and enacting stronger sanctions on Russia!!! This is mostly their problem so why do we always have to take the forefront in these situations. Always the USA to the rescue and we get any and all flack and we always pay the whole bill while we have so many problems at home and our infrastructure crumbles. Meanwhile in Europe they continue to build up their fancy new infrastructures knowing that the USA will come to their aid any time there is a problem in their part of the world. We are suckers and we need to start telling European contries both allies and other to start building their own militaries with their own money and stop counting on the US to bail them out of every problem at our expense so we can invest in our own crumbling infrastructure. Too much already!!!


Agree with your post, but the bottom line is too many countries have economic / symbiotic relationships with Russia. In the end, these relationships will take priority over principle. A lot of bluster with minimal actions to follow.

 

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How about the effin Europeans growing some balls and enacting stronger sanctions on Russia!!! This is mostly their problem so why do we always have to take the forefront in these situations. Always the USA to the rescue and we get any and all flack and we always pay the whole bill while we have so many problems at home and our infrastructure crumbles. Meanwhile in Europe they continue to build up their fancy new infrastructures knowing that the USA will come to their aid any time there is a problem in their part of the world. We are suckers and we need to start telling European contries both allies and other to start building their own militaries with their own money and stop counting on the US to bail them out of every problem at our expense so we can invest in our own crumbling infrastructure. Too much already!!!


Well said...+1

 

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How about the effin Europeans growing some balls and enacting stronger sanctions on Russia!!! This is mostly their problem so why do we always have to take the forefront in these situations. Always the USA to the rescue and we get any and all flack and we always pay the whole bill while we have so many problems at home and our infrastructure crumbles. Meanwhile in Europe they continue to build up their fancy new infrastructures knowing that the USA will come to their aid any time there is a problem in their part of the world. We are suckers and we need to start telling European contries both allies and other to start building their own militaries with their own money and stop counting on the US to bail them out of every problem at our expense so we can invest in our own crumbling infrastructure. Too much already!!!


Well said...+1


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  posted on 7/23/2014 at 11:46 AM
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This is Obama's fault. If he were more of a man, and a more respected leader, the militants would've been too afraid to take down that airliner.


Sarcasm duly noted. But you are aware of course that the unrest in Ukraine is totally caused by Vladimir Putin and Russia. The weapon used to take down that plane was provided by Putin and Russia. The "militants" were trained by Putin and Russia. Would it be remotely possible that the consistent showing by Obama over the past 5 years that the United States is pretty much ok with anything that happens (for example telling Assad he faced a red line and then ignoring that red line just to name one of many) maybe emboldened Putin to begin his efforts to get the old Russian Empire back in the fold? THAT'S the proximate cause of this disaster no?

The thing Obama simply doesn't seem to get is that his words and actions (or inactions) have repurcussions well beyond the immediate situation. Nothing is over because he decides he's said enough and it's time for golf or his latest fundraiser. He and his sycophants may see a powerful administration that took down Bin Laden. The rest of the world sees a weak vacilating leader and consequently our enemies are emboldened and our friends have no reason to trust us.

There's no way to know whether Putin would have acted to invade Crimea and foment unrest iN Ukraine had a strong powerful American leader been in office. But there's good reason to think it would have given him pause.

And lest anyone think that to be strong and bold means to start a war, that's sloppy thinking. There are myriad of things that can be done to deter this sort of thing. Commentary had a great idea. What about banning Aeroflot from European and American airspace? It's inconceivable that Obama would call for something like that.

 

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How about the effin Europeans growing some balls and enacting stronger sanctions on Russia!!! This is mostly their problem so why do we always have to take the forefront in these situations. Always the USA to the rescue and we get any and all flack and we always pay the whole bill while we have so many problems at home and our infrastructure crumbles. Meanwhile in Europe they continue to build up their fancy new infrastructures knowing that the USA will come to their aid any time there is a problem in their part of the world. We are suckers and we need to start telling European contries both allies and other to start building their own militaries with their own money and stop counting on the US to bail them out of every problem at our expense so we can invest in our own crumbling infrastructure. Too much already!!!


Because we have to. Because these are global problems and we are a global power and Europe is weak and vacilating and always will be. It's as simple as that.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2014 at 12:18 PM
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Sarcasm duly noted. But you are aware of course that the unrest in Ukraine is totally caused by Vladimir Putin and Russia. The weapon used to take down that plane was provided by Putin and Russia. The "militants" were trained by Putin and Russia. Would it be remotely possible that the consistent showing by Obama over the past 5 years that the United States is pretty much ok with anything that happens (for example telling Assad he faced a red line and then ignoring that red line just to name one of many) maybe emboldened Putin to begin his efforts to get the old Russian Empire back in the fold? THAT'S the proximate cause of this disaster no?


Doug your hatred of Obama is duly noted.

Saying that the red line incident with Assad is the proximate cause of saying this plane was shot down is nonsense.

Everyone knows the proximate cause is a butterfly sneezing in Tahiti.

 

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