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  posted on 7/26/2014 at 02:02 PM
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Companies, domestic and foreign, have been falling all over themselves to ship tens of thousands of jobs held by freedom-loving Americans off to communist China, shuttering a countless number of mills and other manufacturing enterprises and turning entire communities in ghost towns.
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Do you think that American companies should be prohibited from any operations outside
of the United States?


No, I don't think that. I think that if they move productive jobs out of country they should have to pay the American minimum wage to those they employ. If not, then a tariff placed on the product to bring the balance up to the cost if the product had been made at a US factory. Hmmm, not a bad way to help balance the budget, is it?

 

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  posted on 7/26/2014 at 02:26 PM
With a U.S. corporate tax of 35%, the highest in the world, it is no wonder that American companies are leaving.
Of note: General Electric, which has revenue of billions of dollars every year, pays no U.S. taxes.
Pharmaceutical companies are running out of the U.S. fast.
Apple keeps billions of dollars of profits off shore to avoid the excessive U.S. taxes.

The Republicans want to drop the U.S. corporate tax rate to 20% and provide incentives to manufacture goods in The U.S.

The Democrats refuse to even discuss that issue. An attitude similar to the Democrats in The Senate refusing to vote on 331 bills passed by The House of Representatives.

But of course it is "those Republicans" that are obstructing Obama's agenda...



 

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  posted on 7/26/2014 at 03:40 PM
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The Democrats refuse to even discuss that issue. An attitude similar to the Democrats in The Senate refusing to vote on 331 bills passed by The House of Representatives.

330 of them were to repeal Obamacare.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2014 at 04:34 PM
"330 of them were to repeal Obamacare."

Wrong son. 39 included language to repeal Obama's Gov't takeover of the healthcare insurance system. The Republican were trying to do what two-thirds of the American people want done.

The facts seem to elude you.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2014 at 04:35 PM
I love all the folks crying about the Obama economy. People like this idiot from Florida who threatened his employees that they would lose their jobs if Obama were re-elected. How do you think he is doing now?

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FRI JUL 25, 2014 AT 07:32 AM PDT
That FL CEO Who Said He'd FIRE Everyone if Obama Elected? Guess What Happened...
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"The Queen of Versailles" was a film documentary based on the sleazy time-share mogul, David Siegel, and his wife, Jackie. David had major financial troubles following Bush's 2008 economic crises. He even had to stop work on his private home, dubbed "Versailles", which was to be the largest home in the U.S. Poor guy.

Naturally, Obama was to blame for this. As you may recall during the peak of the presidential campaign, Mr. Siegel penned a letter threatening to fire all his employees and close down his Orlando-based company, Westgate, if Obama was elected. A snippet from the full letter:

So where am I going with all this? It's quite simple. If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, as our current President plans, I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company. Rather than grow this company I will be forced to cut back. This means fewer jobs, less benefits and certainly less opportunity for everyone.
So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job. While the media wants to tell you to believe the "1 percenters" are bad, I'm telling you they are not. They create most of the jobs. If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the "1%"; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country.

You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

Signed, your boss

Yeah, that happened.
This wasn't the first time either. In 2000, Siegel did something just as slimy. He put negative articles about Gore in every paycheck, and also forced his managers to conduct an inappropriate survey on who was voting for Bush and Gore. Those that said Bush were "required" to register to vote. Ironic, considering how Bush's economy almost put him out of business.

Fortunately for everyone, this time, his despicable letter threatening to fire everyone backfired. Obama won Florida handily. The press mocked Siegel. We all expected this time-share sleazeball to retire and close his company. But then a funny thing happened...

Instead of his company being dragged down by the evil black man in the Oval Office, his company started flourishing again. The Obama recovery saw companies make record profits, and Siegel's was no exception. Today, Westgate is doing better than ever. Under Obama, we also have had the best stock market in history, so investors like Siegel made out like bandits. (Obama=worst socialist ever).

Instead of firing, Siegel has had to hire more people. Since his employees were finally able to get reasonably-priced health insurance, he was free to invest his money in all kinds of things. He bought the Orlando Predators. He also bought a massive hotel/casino in Las Vegas. Saints be praised, he was even able to finally start work again on his gaudy, 90,000 square foot house complete with a bowling alley, a 30-car garage, and a roller-skating rink.

Turns out that he never had any intention to flee to the Caribbean.

Turns out Obama has been great for him.

Turns out he was just another rich, entitled a$$hole.


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  posted on 7/26/2014 at 04:37 PM
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The Republican were trying to do what two-thirds of the American people want done.

The facts seem to elude you.



Delusional thinking.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2014 at 08:14 PM
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"330 of them were to repeal Obamacare."

Wrong son. 39 included language to repeal Obama's Gov't takeover of the healthcare insurance system. The Republican were trying to do what two-thirds of the American people want done.

The facts seem to elude you.


What facts?

 

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  posted on 7/26/2014 at 08:25 PM
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"330 of them were to repeal Obamacare."

Wrong son. 39 included language to repeal Obama's Gov't takeover of the healthcare insurance system. The Republican were trying to do what two-thirds of the American people want done.

The facts seem to elude you.


What facts?


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  posted on 7/26/2014 at 08:51 PM
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Wrong son. 39 included language to repeal Obama's Gov't takeover of the healthcare insurance system. The Republican were trying to do what two-thirds of the American people want done.


Can you substantiate that claim? Of course you can't. It isn't true.

Regardless. Why do you want to live in a country where people don't have health care?

I don't understand how any human with any compassion would want there fellow humans denied treatment and forced into bankruptcy due to illness.

I find that thinking repulsive.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2014 at 09:50 PM
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"330 of them were to repeal Obamacare."

Wrong son. 39 included language to repeal Obama's Gov't takeover of the healthcare insurance system. The Republican were trying to do what two-thirds of the American people want done.

The facts seem to elude you.


What facts?


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Put your newspaper down and read the Congressional Record.



You first.

 

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  posted on 7/28/2014 at 11:55 AM
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Capitalism and freedom go hand in hand. You cannot have enterprise without freedom and you cannot have freedom without enterprise.


So the child and slave laborers used by capitalistic corporations are free? How do you define freedom?


The right to profit from the use of your own capital. The equal protections of the law with access to independent courts. Among other things. What American companies use slave labor?

 

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  posted on 7/28/2014 at 02:31 PM
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Capitalism and freedom go hand in hand. You cannot have enterprise without freedom and you cannot have freedom without enterprise.


So the child and slave laborers used by capitalistic corporations are free? How do you define freedom?


The right to profit from the use of your own capital. The equal protections of the law with access to independent courts. Among other things. What American companies use slave labor?


Try Apple to start. They outsource jobs to China where the workers are treated like animals and forced to work crazy hours for little pay. There were recent reports of high suicide rate among their China employees. I am quite sure there are tons of profitable American companies taking advantage and outsourcing jobs to circumvent workers rights issues and take advantage of slave labor. All to make every last dime profit for their share holders and the largest bonus checks in their pockets at the expense of our US workers. Republicans seem to think it is perfectly fine. That is why many of them want the minimum wage dropped completely. They would love for profitable American companies to be able to pay workers anything they can turning them into slave workers. Why bother having minimum wage if profitable companies don't even want to pay that and send their jobs overseas anyway??? Nothing will change until we punish profitable countries with higher tax rates. Lower rates for companies who keep their work forces here. We need to stop the hypocritical use of slave labor overseas. We have workers rights laws in this country and they should have to be followed regardless of where you set up shop. What we are basically saying now is that slave labor is OK as long as it isn't our people doing it and our companies can circumvent the laws by outsourcing. So they break the law and circumvent the laws by treating foreign workers like animals, something we wouldn't allow in this country??? Hypocrisy at it's very highest level.

 

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  posted on 7/28/2014 at 02:49 PM
dougrhon - How have you missed the human rights violations at the FoxConn factory used by Apple?

How have you missed out on all the child labor stories taking place in the garment industry?

 

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  posted on 7/28/2014 at 03:46 PM
dougie has no use for facts when they don't support his ideology.

 

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  posted on 7/28/2014 at 06:57 PM
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dougie has no use for facts when they don't support his ideology.


C'mon pops, didn't you get his lecture last week on his opinions?

 

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  posted on 7/28/2014 at 09:07 PM
How about checking what the Democrats in the House are telling the Democrats in the Senate.
They're pissed about the Senate not voting on bills the House passed for Veterans care, protecting females in the military, tobacco smuggling, and other issues.

Seems that there are quite a few bills sponsored by Dems that pass the "Republican controlled House", and get stuck in limbo once they get into the "Democrat controlled Senate".

 

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