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  posted on 5/20/2014 at 06:51 PM
To me, the most surprising thing about this is not the results, it's that the study was conducted and published by the very conservative Koch Brothers funded George Mason University.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/05/19/new-study-proves-republicans-are-si gnificantly-more-likely-to-lie-than-democrats/

New Study Proves Republicans Are Significantly More Likely To Lie Than Democrats

In case you missed it, a study not released by MSNBC (so save your breath conservatives), by the nonpartisan Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University have found that Republicans are significantly more likely to lie than Democrats. And here is the kicker that the liberals have been saying all along: the lying gap between Republicans and Democrats is widening as President Barack Obama spends more time in office.

Oh this is just too good. Ever since Obamacare was passed and signed into law in 2010, the Republicans have been no strangers to lying about everything, from the healthcare law itself to the number of vacations the President has taken. The study came as the political atmosphere heated up during the “scandals” of the IRS, Benghazi, and the AP.

In their study, 100 statements involving factual claims by Democrats (46 claims) and Republicans (54 claims) were examined, which were fact-checked by PolitiFact.com during the four month period from the start of President Obama’s second term on January 20 through May 22, 2013. In just four months worth of fact checking the GOP was found to be lying the most. Here is what they found:

PolitiFact rated 32% of Republican claims as “false” or “pants on fire,” compared to 11% of Democratic claims – a 3 to 1 margin.

Conversely, Politifact rated 22% of Democratic claims as “entirely true” compared to 11% of Republican claims – a 2 to 1 margin.

A majority of Democratic statements (54%) were rated as mostly or entirely true, compared to only 18% of Republican statements. Conversely, a majority of Republican statements (52%) were rated as mostly or entirely false, compared to only 24% of Democratic statements.

And here is where the liberals have been right all along regarding the GOP’s witch-hunts against President Obama:

Regarding Benghazi, the IRS and the Associated Press, Republicans have continued to fare worse than Democrats, with 60% of their claims rated as false so far this month (May 1 – May 22), compared to 29% of Democratic statements – a 2 to 1 margin.

Republicans lied about IRS, Benghazi, and the AP 60% of the time? I’m shocked. Of course Republicans are going to denounce this as being a liberal-sponsored entity. However, it should be known that Politifact has won the Pulitzer Prize for its non-partisan journalism. And they gave President Obama the lie of the year with his “You can keep your health insurance” claim.

Conservative (not necessarily Republican) thought is wrought with fear and anxiety. Their policy is to attempt to mitigate that without concern for actual accomplishments. They don’t seem to realize that the root fear they harbor is counterproductive. However, we can thank organizations like Politifact and FactCheck.org for keeping them on their feet, and grilling them when it’s necessary.

If you look back on the 271 ‘Pants on Fire’ claims that Politifact has measured since 2007 (the first one was from Joe Biden when he called Bush “brain dead”), 217 of them have been perpetrated by conservatives whether they be from chain emails, Facebook posts, pundits or politicians. They range from chain emails claiming the ACA will question your sex life, to President Obama being a Marxist Muslim.

Now well all know every politician lies. But why do Republicans do it more often? And do they really still think they can get away with it?

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  posted on 5/20/2014 at 07:12 PM
How else would they convince the low information voters and dumb-asses to vote for em?.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2014 at 07:27 PM
All politicians of all parties lie, and all sort of people lie even if it's just telling fibs, half truths, white lies, or straight up lies and fabrications since they are into that sort of thing.

I do not take studies like this seriously as any study can be used to claim anything.

Secondly in the United States for my entire life at least both parties have pretty much been the same which is why I no longer vote for either one, or any politician in either of the two major parties, and am registered Independent.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2014 at 07:29 PM
No doubt this will be the lead story tonight for Hannity...not.
 

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 07:38 AM
Just read the posts that come from the right on this message board and you can only conclude either people are lying or have been bamboozled into believing a lie.

As far as both party's being the same thats another lie. The GOP has done nothing for the middle class for several decades now and they have filibustered and blocked just about every initiative Obama put forth that would have helped the middle class. The Democrats have plenty of flaws but at least most of them aren't bat crap nuts regressive facist pro theocracy anti science anti women and pro Koch Brothers like the GOP has turned.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 08:14 AM
How do you know the researchers who conducted this story aren't lying?
 

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 09:03 AM
Really? You can't see the obvious flaws in the methodology of the study? Stats don't lie, but liars use stats.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 10:43 AM
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Just read the posts that come from the right on this message board and you can only conclude either people are lying or have been bamboozled into believing a lie.

As far as both party's being the same thats another lie. The GOP has done nothing for the middle class for several decades now and they have filibustered and blocked just about every initiative Obama put forth that would have helped the middle class. The Democrats have plenty of flaws but at least most of them aren't bat crap nuts regressive facist pro theocracy anti science anti women and pro Koch Brothers like the GOP has turned.


Yeah passing a healthcare tax without reading it first isn't bat crap nuts either. Both parties suck the life out of our country and most people are too stupid too see it because they assume they are so much smarter than the other guy. Perfect example of blind leading the blind.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 10:46 AM
I thought this was going to be a survey on my ex girlfriends.

sorry.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 12:07 PM
harry reid or jay carney"
 

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 01:06 PM
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I thought this was going to be a survey on my ex girlfriends.

sorry.




The only lie is that there were any.......

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 06:40 PM
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harry reid or jay carney"


What about them?

 

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 06:45 PM
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How do you know the researchers who conducted this story aren't lying?


Good point, seeing how the study was conducted by the very conservative Koch Brothers funded George Mason University, but that would kind of seem counterproductive. Most people only lie when it benefits their cause.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 07:04 PM
I was just joking around but I'd be lying if I didn't say t don't have a problem believing anyone anymore. I think it can be very hard to sort out the BS from the authentic research and intentions these days.
 

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  posted on 5/21/2014 at 08:16 PM
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I was just joking around but I'd be lying if I didn't say t don't have a problem believing anyone anymore. I think it can be very hard to sort out the BS from the authentic research and intentions these days.


I'm with you. I fact check everything nowadays. I hate when people forward me political based chain emails because almost all of them are BS. I'm amazed that people believe them. I believe nothing without fact checking, and sometimes I'll even double check the fact checkers.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2014 at 07:07 AM
Yes, fact checking is essential. I just read an article in Newsweed about "conspiracy theories" and they derisively included "Obama altering the unemployment numbers" as if this is some far-fetched theory for the "tin foil hat crowd." Well if you fact check you will find that Tim Geitner testified before congress two (?) years ago that the big banks clouded to fix the LIBOR rate (which virtually every single debt instrument on the planet is tied to) because they "had to" and in 2011 when inflation started to spike, the government dropped the the price of gasoline and food from consideration when calculating inflation. If they openly admitted to altering these numbers (which is mind boggling, particularly the LIBOR) why NOT alter the unemployment number just before the, you know, the presidential election and thereafter?
Bit of a tangent, but just goes to show it's hard to trust anything or anyone. I thought it was particularly amusing that a study with partisan results on lying was being held out as trustworthy.

[Edited on 5/22/2014 by axeman]

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  posted on 5/22/2014 at 09:28 AM
But why would a Koch Brothers funded study fix results to show that Republicans lie more than Democrats?

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in 2011 when inflation started to spike, the government dropped the the price of gasoline and food from consideration when calculating inflation.


Did you fact check the date on this statement?

 

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  posted on 5/22/2014 at 10:26 AM
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But why would a Koch Brothers funded study fix results to show that Republicans lie more than Democrats?

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in 2011 when inflation started to spike, the government dropped the the price of gasoline and food from consideration when calculating inflation.


Did you fact check the date on this statement?


Haha! Actually no. I took the government at their word. The guy teaching the investments course I was taking at the time seemed pretty fired up about it too but I read a study recently that suggests he has a propensity towards lying.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2014 at 10:28 AM


I think they have been watering down energy and food price increases since Jimmy Carter left office. I'm not sure though.

Don't have time to "fact check" right now.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2014 at 10:41 AM
Actually, I have been fact checking food prices since I buy food every day or so and for some items like cereal prices have more than doubled since 2008. Meat like chicken has also risen drastically. If I remember right, people in Haiti and other areas were rioting around 2008-09 over the price of grain or wheat. Gasoline is at $4 here in Atlanta now for a gallon of unleaded regular. In 2008-9 it was a major news story every day because it was over $3. Not sure why $4 a gallon isn't a big deal 6 years later because you know what hasn't increased 33% in the last 6 years? My or most American paychecks.
When food and gas increase by double digit percentages and you have the fed printing money at a clip of $80 billion a month, I am willing to believe the government when they say they are changing the calculation of inflation. But maybe I'll check. Bet I find a whole bunch of other good news too! Ha.

 

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yup its back near it in the northeast too, 4 dollar a gallon gasoiline, the ankle weight that keeps the economy from taking off. we'll continue to bounce along with anemic growth.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2014 at 11:51 AM
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Gasoline is at $4 here in Atlanta now for a gallon of unleaded regular. In 2008-9 it was a major news story every day because it was over $3. Not sure why $4 a gallon isn't a big deal 6 years later because you know what hasn't increased 33% in the last 6 years? My or most American paychecks.


Maybe it's because gasoline at $4+ a gallon isn't a new thing. It was that high 6 years ago (before Obama took office). Funny how only Republicans seem to conveniently forget that. $4 a gallon gasoline under Obama = tragic failure in leadership; $4 a gallon gasoline under Bush = I don't ever remember that:


 

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  posted on 5/22/2014 at 12:39 PM
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But why would a Koch Brothers funded study fix results to show that Republicans lie more than Democrats?

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in 2011 when inflation started to spike, the government dropped the the price of gasoline and food from consideration when calculating inflation.


Did you fact check the date on this statement?

I don't believe anything changed in how the gov't calculates inflation in 2011. And in any case, you need to be more specific when you talk about calculating inflation, and understand what index is being referenced when you see/hear inflation rate info. There are several ways that inflation is tracked/measured. The two most visible are CPI and Core CPI. As I understand it, the Fed typically uses the Core Consumer Price Index (Core CPI), which does not include energy and food, when setting monetary policy. The basic Consumer Price Index (CPI) which is what typically is talked about in the media, includes pretty much everything.

There is also Chained CPI, which accounts for how consumers may substitute one product for another based on inflation, and thus calculates to be lower than the standard CPI. During budget negotiations last year, it was proposed to change the way Social Security cost-of-living increases are calculated from using CPI to using Chained CPI, which would lead to lower SS benefit payouts over time. That proposal was apparently dropped by the administration earlier this year...here's a link to more info:

http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/20/news/economy/obama-social-security-chained- cpi/

axeman, is the proposed change from CPI to Chained CPI when calculating social security increases as described above the change you are talking about? If so, that isn't a change to how the gov't calculates inflation, it is a change to which inflation index the gov't uses to calculate SS benefit cost of living increases (which according to the article could have impacts on other areas as well). If you are talking about something else, then you'll need to provide more specifics, like which pricing index you are talking about, in order to have anything approaching an intelligent conversation about it.




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  posted on 5/22/2014 at 12:53 PM
My research shows it was 1980 that the Bureau of Labor and Statistics removed food and energy from the core CPI.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2014 at 02:46 PM
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But why would a Koch Brothers funded study fix results to show that Republicans lie more than Democrats?

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in 2011 when inflation started to spike, the government dropped the the price of gasoline and food from consideration when calculating inflation.


Did you fact check the date on this statement?

I don't believe anything changed in how the gov't calculates inflation in 2011. And in any case, you need to be more specific when you talk about calculating inflation, and understand what index is being used when you see/hear inflation rate stats. There are several ways that inflation is tracked/measured. The two most visible are CPI and Core CPI. As I understand it, the Fed typically uses the Core Consumer Price Index (Core CPI), which does not include energy and food, when setting monetary policy. The basic Consumer Price Index (CPI) which is what typically is talked about in the media, includes pretty much everything.

There is also Chained CPI, which accounts for how consumers may substitute one product for another based on inflation, and thus calculates to be lower than the standard CPI. During budget negotiations last year, it was proposed to change the way Social Security cost-of-living increases are calculated from using CPI to using Chained CPI, which would lead to lower SS benefit payouts over time. That proposal was apparently dropped by the administration earlier this year...here's a link to more info:

http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/20/news/economy/obama-social-security-chained- cpi/

axeman, is the proposed change from CPI to Chained CPI when calculating social security increases as described above the change you are talking about? If so, that isn't a change to how the gov't calculates inflation, it is a change to which inflation index the gov't uses to calculate SS benefit cost of living increases (which according to the article could have impacts on other areas as well). If you are talking about something else, then you'll need to provide more specifics, like which pricing index you are talking about, in order to have anything approaching an intelligent conversation about it.




[Edited on 5/22/2014 by gondicar]


Food and fuel prices were removed from the Core CPI in 1980, and nothing has changed. Maybe Axeman saw that the Fed was no longer going to use the Core CPU to develop policy starting in January 2012, but rather they began using the Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE) index, which actually does include food and fuel costs. Of course that is the exact opposite of what he is thinking.


 
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