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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 09:06 PM
Some of the members of the other original thread about the Boston Bombing requested my posts be moved. I feel the event needs it's own thread, otherwise I would have put my findings under my Foreign Policy thread. In the interest of important information getting out there, I will put my findings up here. Those who want to have their d*ck swinging party regardless of facts that might come out can do so. As for me, I think the truth matters more, which is another reason I will not get into a pissing contest with them, nor accept some of the idiocy being embraced there.

I will move my threads and anything relevant I'll put up here.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 09:06 PM
posted on 4/15/2013 at 09:32 PM

In the CNN time of events blog.

[Update, 8:55 p.m. ET] A Saudi national with a leg wound was under guard at a Boston hospital in connection with the bombings at the Boston Marathon, but investigators cannot say he is involved at this time and he is not in custody, a law enforcement official said Monday evening.

[Update, 8:36 p.m. ET] Investigators have warned law enforcement officers to be on the lookout for a "darker-skinned or black male" with a possible foreign accent in connection with Monday's bombings at the Boston Marathon, according to a law enforcement advisory obtained by CNN.

The man was seen with a black backpack and sweatshirt and was trying to get into a restricted area about five minutes before the first explosion, the lookout notice states.

Update, 6:35 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Bill Keating, D-Massachusetts, said an unexploded device was found at a hotel on Boylston Street, and another unexploded device was found at an undisclosed location.

Keating, who is a member of the House Homeland Security committee and has spoken to law enforcement sources, tells CNN's Dierdre Walsh that the incidents were a "sophisticated, coordinated, planned attack."

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/15/explosions-near-finish-of-boston-marat hon/?hpt=hp_t1

http://bcove.me/qwi5k6ap
This is Steve Silva's video from the Boston Globe newspaper.

Watch this interview of David Abel. He was there covering 9/11, and here also. He said from the explosion it seemed like someone had "shaped the charges" directing them towards the curbs so that there would be maximum impact and also he commented on the locations of the bombs that where they were placed guaranteed maxium people would be injured.

Rachel Maddow updates the latest details from Boston following a press conference by Massachusetts officials and talks with Boston Globe reporter David Abel about what he witnessed standing just feet away from the initial blast at the Boston Marathon finish line.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/51551179

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51548373?FROM=EN-US_MSNHP%3E1#5155117 1
Unexploded devices targeting civilian populations.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51548373?FROM=EN-US_MSNHP%3E1#5155117 0
A 20 year old Saudi who was here on a Student Visa was running from the scene, but he is not considered a suspect.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51548373?FROM=EN-US_MSNHP%3E1#5155166 6
March 2011 National counterterrorism center did an exercise to prepare for an event like this.
Michael Leiter. [THEY PRACTICED FOR AN EVENT LIKE THIS IN MARCH 2011 AND THEN IT JUST HAPPENS].

http://arabnews.com/news/448240
A senior US intelligence official said two other explosive devices were found near the end of the 42-km course. A senior US intelligence official said the two other explosive devices found nearby were being dismantled.

Media have been staying at the Fairfield Copley Plaza. One reporter mentioned that Massachusetts declares the Marathon Day as a state holiday, Patriot's Day.









 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 09:08 PM

posted on 4/16/2013 at 08:49 PM



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/16/carlos-arredondo-hero-boston-ma rathon
Carlos Arredondo

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/boston-marathon-tragedy--how-to-avoid -charity-scams-and-help-for-real-163144653.html

Stay In the Loop

Following #BostonMarathon on Twitter is a great way to stay informed, as far as where to help and find help. The live blog at Boston.com will keep you up-to-date with live news coverage, tweets, video feeds and information on where to help. And Reddit has threads both here and here filled with live updates on where and how to give or get assistance.

http://www.reddit.com/comments/1cf7mn


Though most people have already located loved ones at this point, here are a few ways to do so and help others do so just in case: The Red Cross has a "Safe and Well" page, on which you can either list yourself as safe and sound or search for the names of those you're concerned about. Google, meanwhile, has set up Person Find specifically for the Boston explosions. Also, Boston has set up a hotline for finding friends and family: 617-635-4500. Finally, you can text RUNNER to 345678 and you'll get a text back. You can then text back someone's bib number to get updates.

Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick and Mayor Tom Merino have just announced the formation of The One Fund to help people most affected by the tragedy, onefundboston.org.

While most understand the bombings were a terrorist attack, the Pakistani Taliban has denied any involvement in the attacks. It wasn't orchestrated, or implemented by them.

http://news.yahoo.com/pakistani-taliban-deny-role-boston-bombings-073639452 .html

"Certainly, America is our target and we will attack the U.S. and its allies whenever the [Pakistani Taliban] finds the opportunity, but we are not involved in this attack," Ehsan said."

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-pakistani-taliban-deny- involvement-in-boston-bomb-blasts-20130416,0,3986918.story?track=rss

Late this afternoon, Homeland Security head Peter King said that al Qaida was involved. Further details were not disclosed.

The Pakistani Taliban said they were not involved, therefore they were not involved. They have been conducting attacks on members of political parties that they are in opposition to. The elections there are May 11.

http://dawn.com/2013/04/16/blast-at-anp-rally-kills-two-injures-ten-in-pesh awar/

The Afghan Taliban forbid the killing of women and children, and condemned the attacks of 9/11 more than once.

I think we need all the facts to come out in these attacks. We must also not forget that in March 2011 the National counterterrorism center did an exercise to prepare for an event like this per an interview wih Michael Leiter. The exercise was specifically done assuming an attack in Boston, and one year later it happens. Seems like too much coincidence.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51548373?FROM=EN-US_MSNHP%3E1#5155166 6






 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 09:09 PM

posted on 4/18/2013 at 10:04 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/18/boston-bombing-fbi-images-suspe cts-live

Gawker points out that not only did CBS News confirm, after the Post cover emerged, that the men pictured are not "suspects"; crowd-sourced investigations on reddit and other sites a day earlier had identified the men – kids, actually – and found them to be "incredibly unlikely suspects."

Gawker's Max Read writes:

"But thanks to their ability to do really basic internet detective work, they managed to figure out pretty quickly that the guy in the blue track jacket almost certainly isn't a bomber. All they had to do was find his Facebook. I was able to do it pretty quickly: He's a Moroccan-American kid, a local high-school soccer player and track runner (possibly he and his friend's track outfits could have been a tipoff that they were actually interested in the race?) who works at Subway and likesHow High and The Hunger Games. On Monday, he took a couple of geekily enthusiastic photos of himself at the marathon. "

Is it a case of anyone of Middle Eastern, Arabic or Central Asian heritage will do to help further the idea that peoples from those counties keep coming here to commit terror attacks? It will be a pretty big disgrace and embarrasment if the people who did are are US nationals that are just pissed off about something and wanted to get attention to their cause.

I have an idea, those who are investigating could ask everyone who was at the marathon who was not running that day to come forward identify themselves and send photos to the fbi, along with a description of what they were wearing that day, maybe if they still have those clothes they could send pictures of themselves in the clothes they wore. That way they could then be identified in the crowd where the videos photograped them. One by one identify them. Whoever remains unidentified is who they should look at further.

It's not likely that the perpetrators will want to send photos of themselves, but if they do, they you will have some clear ones to work with pieced together with everything else.

Now it sounds like a lot, there would be many thousands of people who were there, so you ask for the information you need to narrow down what you are looking for. You want to focus on the area near the finish line, how long, how far, how many blocks back from that? Given the start time of the race, till when bombs went off, how much time elapsed? What is the walking foot speed of a person under those conditions; how far could they have walked from the time the race began till when the bombs went off. That is how far back (distance wise you need to look in the crowd. Are there cameras at those locations? That could give you time lapse, if you see people with backpacks and then see them a certain amount of time later near the finish line or leaving the area near the finish line without them, you can prove their movement, and when they dropped their bags.

Now what info do you want from people who could send you photos of themselves in the clothes they wore or describe the clothes they wore?

Where were they standing (between what street and what street), landmarks they observed.

What time did they arrive?

Did they go anyplace else or stay in that vicinity?

Those things would give you individuals movement.

Who were they there to watch if someone specific. (rule them out if they were there to specifically watch someone they knew in the race, verify the names of the people running the race).

Was this their first marathon? (if not, they are not likely suspects as they have enjoyed it in the past).

Where were they when the explosions happened? The suspects would not have been injured themselves, anyone injured or who saw people who were verifiably injured - check hospital records for names of treated and injured people, get moved down or off the suspect list. Also look far enough back in the crowd to see where they would be able to see the explosions from yet be at a safe distance. They would have wanted to watch it.

What did they see? (BAU analysis of their answers)

How did they feel?

What did they do?

You get the Behavioral Anaylsis Unit at Quantico to develop a questionnaire along with some homicide detectives and you will be able to find out who did this, by process of elimination of the people who were there identifying themselves, and answering questions. You then take them out of the pictures once you rule them out as suspects, who is left?

Correlate airline, train, bus manifests with hotel guests, see where people went, if they left the country look into it. People travelling with family members could be ruled out, it wasn't them.

Etc.














 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 09:12 PM

posted on 4/19/2013 at 07:07 PM

FRIDAY 7:05 PM

RIGHT NOW, Shots fired on Franklin Street between Dexter and Laurel, reports are that there was a man hiding in a boat that was up on blocks in somebody's yard. A Swat team called in to approach the boat. Massive police response. Live coverage from CBS Evening News. Live coverage continuing.

Earlier today the Chechnyan Resistance leader said that neither of these two Tsarnaev brothers were involved with their organization. The one who was killed last night reportedly has a wife and son in Rhode Island, he was not living with her but reportedly visited her every weekend. and his sister was interviewed in West New York, NJ.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/tsarnaev-brothers-chechnya-ramz an-kadyrov


 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 09:13 PM

posted on 4/19/2013 at 08:48 PM

Boston Police Dept.?@Boston_Police12m
CAPTURED!!! The hunt is over. The search is done. The terror is over. And justice has won. Suspect in custody.

https://twitter.com/Boston_Police

The Mayor just announced in his tweet "we got him".

Boston P.D. just tweeted, suspect in custody, the suspect is injured.

They reported that he was injured last night in the firefight with his brother and police when they were in the stolen car. They did not shoot him in the boat today. It was the FBI hostage negotiating team who actually got the kid out of the boat. He'll be going to John Mogley South Boston Federal Courthouse, after his injuries are dealt with (he's been bleeding for 20 hours).


 

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4.20.13 Update Boston Marathon Bombings

It seems there may be a lot more to the story than the obvious. The Aunt knows that the Russian Intelligence sets people up. In the interview she describes how they did it in Chechnya. The agents would plant bombs and then blame it on whoever was on their hitlist. When have you ever known the Russians to want to cooperate with America on anything, yet they notified the FBI in 2011 that they thought the older brother was involved in so called radical Islam. Maybe these two or at least the older brother was on the Russian hitlist. Before that assertion is dismissed remember a fact that seems to have been disregarded in large by the media.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-aunt-says-she-suspicious-invest igation-190616201.html

The Russian FSB intelligence service told the FBI in 2011 about information that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a follower of radical Islam, two law enforcement officials said Saturday. The FBI said that in response, it interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and relatives, and did NOT find any domestic or foreign terrorism activity. The bureau said it looked into such things as his telephone and online activity, his travels and his associations with others.

http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bombing-suspect-still-hospitalized-guarded-072 110364.html

Now do you think the FBI would have just dismissed a claim like this from a foreign intelligence service and let the ball drop so to speak when they have sent undercover agents into masjids (mosques) all over this country just to surveill people who nobody has even accused of anything?

Something is awry here.

What we do now is that Tamerlan (the older brother) had become more serious about Islam in 2009.

“Ruslan Tsarni of Montgomery Village, Md., said Tamerlan told him in a 2009 phone conversation that he had chosen "God's business" over work or school. Tsarni said he then contacted a family friend who told him Tsarnaev had been influenced by a recent convert to Islam. Tsarni said his relationship with his nephew basically ended after that call.

Albrecht Ammon, a downstairs-apartment neighbor of Tamerlan Tsarnaev in Cambridge, said in an interview that the older brother had strong political views about the United States. Ammon quoted Tsarnaev as saying that the U.S. uses the Bible as "an excuse for invading other countries."

Tamerlan Tsarnaev studied accounting as a part-time student at Bunker Hill Community College in Boston for three semesters from 2006 to 2008, the school said. Since he has a daughter who is three years old now, that puts the child being born in 2009 or 2010. He dropped out of school because he was now married and had to support a wife a child. Dzhokhar (Jhokar)Tsarnaev was a student at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth.”

Tamerlan was married with a daughter. When his wife dropped out of college she returned to her family's home with the child and he visited every weekend. (you know how expensive it is to live in Boston with a wife and child? He only had part time jobs.) “Tsarnaev was, according to the report, regularly seen at 24-year-old Katherine Russell's family home in Rhode Island -- that is, until about one year ago when neighbors claim that they no longer observed him visiting.

"A year ago he stopped visiting." A year ago is when he had returned to Russia for a trip and then the Russian intelligence told the US that they thought he was a terrorist. HE HAD PROBLEMS IN RUSSIA, he might have went to try to straighten them out; or he could have been getting money to do jihad - could be either way.

The central claim is that Russell married Tsarnaev and that the two have a three-year-old daughter together named Zahara.” "I knew Katherine was married and she had converted to Islam," one of the neighbors told the Daily Mail. "She went away to college about three or four years ago and I saw her a year later and she was dressed in the Islamic style. Her hair was covered and she was wearing very baggy, flowy clothing."

The person went on to cite frequently seeing the girl with a man who she assumed was her "partner." The two allegedly visited the family on weekends and, according to the source, may have lived in Boston.

http://news.yahoo.com/shock-deceased-bomber-suspect-married-baby-more-wife- 225836538.html

One neighbour told how Katherine - who also uses the last name Tsarnaeva - converted to Islam shortly after starting school at Suffolk University in Boston, saying she believed the couple were married. [But remember the FBI investigated Tamerlan in 2011 and did not find any evidence of radical Islamic activity, so if they were radicalized at the college, there would have been evidence].

Tamerlan got his American citizenship on September 11, 2012. He traveled to Russia last year and returned to the U.S. six months later, government officials told The Associated Press today. According to the website spotcrime.com, Tamerlan was arrested for domestic violence in July 2009 after assaulting his girlfriend.

Local reporter Ted Nesi of WPRI-TV 12 this afternoon tweeted: 'Suffolk U. confirms to me that a Katherine O. Russell of No. Kingstown RI was a student there from Fall 2007-Spring 2010. Did not graduate.' [she had a baby, that is probably why she did not graduate].

Meanwhile, the brothers' aunt Maret Tsarnaeva was insistent as she told reporters in Toronto today that her nephew was in love with his wife and daughter.'He has a wife in Boston and from a Christian family, so you can't tie it to religion,' she said: 'At that age all they want is love, so he found his love, he married, he had a daughter, and he was very happy about his daughter.'
She said her brother Anzor Tsarnaev had high expecations for his sons, especially Tamerlan, and was upset when he found out Tamerlan had dropped out of university. [he had to support his wife and child probably could not afford to keep going to school].

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311809/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-Boston-bo mber-married-Katherine-Russell-converted-Islam-marry-him.html

Tamerlan wasn't a devout practicing Muslim,' but just recently, maybe two years ago, he started praying five times a day," she said. [two years ago his baby was two years old, that would be enough to make anyone pray; also he was probably taking himself, his life more seriously. He had a family and he was still with his wife and child at this time].

Hours before his death, Tamerlan called his uncle and asked for forgiveness - revealing the news of his young family. Alvi Tsarnaev told The (Westchester County, N.Y.) Journal News that his nephew phoned him Thursday night for the first time in about two years. [seems to imply guilt, maybe Russian intelligence paid him to do an operation for them, or maybe he had former ties to them and they wouldn't let him out, you never know].

The call came at 7 p.m., just a couple of hours before Tamerlan was shot dead.

"He said, 'I love you and forgive me,' " said Alvi Tsarnaev, who lives in Montgomery Village, Md.
"We were not talking for a long time because there were some problems," he said, without elaborating. "We were not happy with each other."

They spoke for about five minutes, he said. Tamerlan, who is Muslim, started out by saying, "Salam Aleikum," an Arabic greeting meaning "peace on you." He then praised his uncle for keeping up with his Muslim prayers.

They talked about family and Alvi said: "I told him I was praying to Allah, not drinking, not smoking, and he told me he was happy," he said. "He was asking, 'Did you pay your mortgage?' I told him I was trying to pay. I asked him what he was doing. He said, 'I fix cars, I got married, got a baby.

Tamerlan was an avid boxer and spent a lot of time training for competitions, according to Johannes Hirn, who posted a photo essay entitled ‘Will Box for Passport’ on his page on Photoshelter.com.

Representing New England in 2010 National Golden Gloves competition in Utah, Tamerlan Tsarnaev dreamed of being ‘selected for the US Olympic team and be [a] naturalized American.’ The photo essay also reveals that Tsarnaev had a half-Italian, half-Portuguese girlfriend who had converted to Islam, that he drove a Mercedes and loved the movie 'Borat.'

http://news.yahoo.com/horrific-boston-suspect-drove-over-older-brother-midn ight-235428993.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/20/mass-police-release-incredible-t hermal-images-of-boston-bombing-suspect-in-his-last-hiding-place/

Henneberry’s stepson Robert Duffy told the Daily News: “I just heard they wound up shooting a couple of rounds through his boat…He’s not going to like that, he’s real anal about it.”

[Shot INTO the boat, they made sure he was not walking away or in condition to speak to anyone with reporters all over the place just four blocks away].

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311983/Boston-bombings-The-moment- woman-men-taken-custody-Boston-bombings-near-Dartmouth-campus-suspect-studi ed.html

Remarks: Tamerlan the older brother. He went to college from 2006 - 2008. Presumably stopping to support his wife and child (the child being three years old now). His wife was at college for three or four years, but she converted to Islam (from Christianity) shortly after beginning college. When he got his citizenship he returned to Russia in 2011, Russian Intelligence then tells the FBI that they think he is involved in terrorism. (how convenient). The FBI investigates the Russian claims and doesn't find anything. His younger brother Dzhokhar (Jhokar) was attending Dartmouth College.

After the shootout with police where his brother was killed with wounds all over his body, Dzokhar (Jhokar) flees the scene in the Mercedes running over and dragging his brother with him. He tried to get away, he wanted out of the situation even at the expense of leaving his dead brother. Maybe he never wanted to be part of it at all. The cops then shoot into the boat and Dzokhar is unable to walk out or be arrested, he is taken out via ambulance in a condition so bad, he could not even be interrogated yet (and you know per John Miller's reporting and the video footage) that they sent the High Value Interrogation team to the hospital just waiting to torture him whenever he becomes well enough to be totured to glean information.

They refused to read Dzokhar his rights, they do not want him to have any rights, this way he will come under military jurisdiction, be denied a lawyer, the public will not hear anything from him. they want to declare him an enemy combatant. The designation of "enemy combatant" was unconstitutional even when it was written, then it was supposed to apply only to people apprehended in a war zone, in a country where where was being actively engaged. If they use it now with credibility, does it mean they admit that we are "at war", as in "holy war" which, if he is guilty Tamerlan would have been waging war against the US as being at war with Islam?

They want to charge Dzokhar (Jhokar) with using "weapons of mass destruction", don't they mean using a weapon FOR mass destruction? Because if they can say a pressure cooker is a weapon of mass destruction, then cooks all over the world are guilty of possessing WMD's.

Do you see some of the legal problems in this case?

What I think is this, let's stick with the facts. Bombs were used to set off two explosions. The Tsarnaev brother's aunt wants the authorities to provide proof that anyone saw (video) the two brothers planting the bombs that exploded. With all the video footage available this should not be a problem. They have videos of the boys carrying backpacks, moving thru the crowds, videos of them without the backpacks, well what happened in between?

Why wouldn't they read the boy his rights? They have something to hide, that's why. There is no reason they could not use local and FBI homicide investigators to gather evidence and prosecute the boy (if he is guilty) under local laws. Why does it become a military issue, where he will be taken into military custody to be charged under THOSE laws, without being able to have an attorney, because they want to create a case and claim he had international ties to some other "terrorist" organization, EVEN when the Pakistani Taliban tell you they did not send him, Al Qaida has not even claimed any responsibility, and the Chechnyan resistance has categorically told you he was not part of their organization.

So who sent him here?

With what has been presented so far, (on the surface) it looks like Tamerlan just converted to radical Islam and carried out an attack dragging his younger brother into it. This IS a possibility, I might even believe it EXCEPT that Russian Intelligence was involved in 2011 trying to drop a dime on him with US authorities and Russia is not known for cooperating with the US on anything.

If there was no intelligence agency agreement between the US and Russia then why didn't they let the FBI and local authorities lead the prosecution. No, No, No, right away, make it a military case, do NOT read the kid his rights, do NOT let him have an attorney.

What are some of the outcomes of this case?

1. The US govt. will set precedence of being able to label a US citizen an enemy combatant, with legal authority to assassinate him on US soil WHEN they believe the public safety is in jeopardy.

2. They set precedence of naming ordinary objects (like pressure cokers) as Weapons of Mass Destruction, which means anyone in possession of anything that COULD be used in attack can be declared as having weapons of mass destruction because the objects could be used for that purpose.

3. Precedence that military authority supersedes local governmental authority at a crime scene.

DANGEROUS PRECEDENTS.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 09:21 PM

posted on 4/21/2013 at 09:17 AM

RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE AND AL QAIDAH Issues:

There is additional info. on the Tsarnaev brothers. Tamerlan the older one was trying to become a professional boxer but lost his one and only bout in 2009. Dzhokhar (Jhokar) was at Dartmouth studying to become a Medical Doctor, but according to NY Times secured documents was failing many subjects at Medical School. He was influenced by a Chechen history teacher who taught him more about history from his country.

Most of you do not know but one of the greatest Commanders in Islam was a Chechnyan fighter name Khattab. He is highly revered. He was martyred in 2002 but remains a role model for all the fighters in al Qaidah and other groups. He is so revered others even want to take up his name and continue fighting in his honor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Al-Khattab

"Al-Khattab (while leader of Islamic International Brigade IIB) publicly admitted that he spent the period between 1989 and 1994 in Afghanistan and that he had met Bin Laden. In March 1994, Khattab arrived in Afghanistan and toured fighter training camps in Khost province. He returned to Afghanistan with the first group of Chechen militants in May 1994. Khattab underwent training in Afghanistan and had close connections with Al-Qaida. Several hundred Chechens eventually trained in Al-Qaida camps in Afghanistan"

"After the conclusion of the war, Khattab, by then wanted by Interpol on Russia's request, became a prominent warlord and commanded the Arab Mujahideen in Chechnya, his own private army with a group of Arabs, Turks and other foreign fighters who had come to participate in the war. He set up a network of paramilitary camps in the mountainous parts of the republic that trained not only Chechens, but also Muslims from the North Caucasian Russian republics and Central Asia.

1999 bombings in Russia

An Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) investigation named Khattab as the mastermind behind the September 1999 Russian apartment bombings. However, on September 14, 1999, Khattab told the Russian Interfax news agency in Grozny that he had nothing to do with the Moscow explosions; he was quoted as saying, “We would not like to be akin to those who kill sleeping civilians with bombs and shells.”[8]

The credibility of the FSB's accusations was questioned, by, among others, Johns Hopkins University/Hoover Institute scholar David Satter,[9] who asserted that the bombings were in fact a "false flag" attack perpetrated by the FSB in order to legitimate the resumption of military activities in Chechnya."

[Well you knew there had to be some al Qaidah connection or inspiration didn't you? But did you know the Russian Intelligene was also setting people up just like that uh-hum other agency does].



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In this case, my impression is Tamerlan was fed up with living the secular lifetsyle of the US, particularly since he found no reward from it, financially he just became enslaved like everyone else trying to support a wife and child and not being able to afford it on part time jobs.

Dzhokhar (Jhokar) the younger brother, was a medical student who was having trouble with his coursework at Dartmouth. He had a $2500 scholarship, well tuition at Dartmouth is around $40,000 a year. His Dad is an auto mechanic. Where did the money to send him to school come from? Did the Father have some dubious dealings with the Russian govt. or clandestine work before coming here for which he was highly paid?

Dzhokhar (Jhokar) was learning about Commander Khattab from a Chechnyan history professor.
Tamerlan lost his only professional boxing bout in 2009, he needed money to support his wife and child, in 2011 he went to Russia. Russian intelligence says he was involved with radical Islamists. Maybe he came back to the US with some money from Al Qaidah to do an operation. This is possible also.

So at this point, it is one of two ways, either A) He was set up by Russian Intelligence, or B) He was at least inspired if not subsidized by Al Qaidah forces.

http://news.yahoo.com/stories-2-brothers-suspected-bombing-124623274.html












 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 09:26 PM
There has been suggeston that the two suspects accused of the bombings were motivated by Islamic leaders from their homeland of Chechnya. Amir Khattab was Amir of the Chechnyan resistance but even he had a mentor, and his mentor was the Caliph of Islam Umar bin al Khattab. Everyone familiar with Islamic history knows of his contributions to his religion. I think it is important that you know something about the history of the religion which will also be on trial because of the events that happened in Boston.

posted on 4/21/2013 at 10:38 AM

Originally Umar ibn (son of) al Khattab became one of the most important rulers in Islamic history. He was actually going to kill the Prophet of Islam, until he converted to the type of Islam, the Prophet embraced.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar

Modern day fighters take up the moniker (name) of Al Khattab because of the honor associated with it. The man who headed up the Chechnyan fighters who are famous for going to Afghanistan to fight the war against the Soviet invasion that Osama fought in is this man (who was martyred by Russian intelligence in 2002). His proper name is Samir Saleh Abdullah Al-Suwailem. His bravery and honor was even noted after the first war against the Russian ended in 1996 Amir Khattab was awarded by the first Chechen President Zelimkhan Yandarbiev with the highest Chechen medals for his military performances.

http://www.globaljihad.net/view_page.asp?id=1031

Commander Khattab in his own words:

"We never attack first, we don't attack ordinary people, our religion forbids it. We strike only when somebody attacks us and our faith".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdjKUN08tvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j70qbmdU3E

"The Muslim Faith is very correct, we never attack first. I mean we don't attack ordinary people. No matter if they are Jews or Communists. Our religion forbids it. We only strike when somebody attacks us or our faith. Then we fight till the end. Whether we win or not, whether we are defenseless or armed, even if they kill us all. It doesn't matter what happens, because we know one thing. Allah told is in the Holy Koran to fight against the unfaithful. The Quran says that each Muslim must fight against the armies of the unfaithful, wherever they are, Russians, Europeans, Americans where we have been attacked first."

COMMENTARY:

This is why Commander Khattab, and fighters from Saudi Arabia and other countries went to Afghanistan to fight against the Russians. This is why they went to Bosnia and other lands, when the common people were being attacked by unruly governments they went to help the common people.

Why then do some Muslims launch attacks in places where there are common people? Incorrect application of Islam. Suicide is forbidden in Islam, yet some Muslims believe it is an acceptable form of jihad.

False flag operations set up by intelligence and other agencies to try to turn public opinion against true Muslims, and create problems that they will solve usually by taking away rights that people have. Most people do not understand the divergence between secular law and God's law. Even religions cannot agree on just one set of laws that represent God's will. If they looked at all the religions and all the laws, they should be able to come to a consensus, but won't. Most secular law was modeled after the original laws, but then was changed over time to meet the desires of the public. God's laws do not change, mankind's secular law does change. That is the difference between God's laws and secular laws.

There will be a time when the anti-Christ rises to power and then, everyone will have to decide to bend their knee in subservience to him and his rule or to fight, like the Muslims have been doing (some right and some wrong in their ways of fighting). You just don't understand that yet. If martial law were to try to be implemented in this country and you believed we were being led by tyranny, what would you personally do?

The Quran has passages that say the people must accept oppression, even if from oppressive leaders (governments are included in this), because it is a trial for you, you have to trust that God himself will lift the oppression at his will, when he wants to. Some people, many Muslims are in error where they feel if a leader is unjust, they should rise up and kill him or take him out of power. If he is instituting rules/laws against the religion then the people are allowed to do this, because he is attacking their faith/religion. An example of this was when the Afghan Taliban could no longer tolerate the corruption, abuses going on in the government that ruled over them. When a woman was raped, murdered, and left naked in Mullah Omar's masjid as an affront to him and the religion of Islam, he could take no more and it was on that day, he went wrapped the cloak of the Prophet around himself, and met with 15 students who had 30 rifles. They gave their bayat (oath of allegiance to him) and set out to rescue their country. God's hand was with them and he helped them do it. They fight today against the implementation of secular law in an Islamic land. They do not fight against Karzai, they fight against the Americans who have invaded their country and are desecrating their culture.

Who started the fight? The US went there in 2001 and began shooting. The US felt justified in trying to capture Osama. The Afghans fighting back was in defense of their country, not so much in defense of Osama. They condemned the attacks on the Trade Center. They offerred to hand him over IF evidence of his guilt was given to them. NO evidence ever was. He had his own troops and fighters.

The news doesn't understand the true Islam or true Christianity or Judaism for that matter, all relgions give people the right and duty to defend themselves, their homes, their lands. There will be many who do not have a correct interpretation of when they are allowed to fight (armed jihad), and again I say people need an education, but at some point YOU will be asked to bow down and give an oath to the anti-Christ or you too will become a terrorist.

The Bible even tells you about those times, it also tells you about World War Three in Ezekiel. At some point you have to figure out who you are, what you stand for and who you stand with. The world will not remain as it is now.

Why doesn't God stop the anti-Christ? He made a deal with Lucifer long ago. To help God sift out the people who are unworthy to be in his kingdom. The Bible even tells you, one man will destroy all dominion (power, governments) on the earth, then he will hand it over, back to God - after you have been put thru your allegiance test. Will you give your allegiance to the anti-Christ in return for the pleasures, wealth of this world, including keeping your nice homes, having food to eat, having money to buy things, or will you risk your lives to fight the evil one?

When do you have to make this choice? Different times for different peoples in each nation on earth. In the US most will wait till the anti-Christ rises (in the three and one half year time during a seven year war between Isarel and Palestine). One world govt., one world army, one world leader. When that fully comes to pass, it will be then you will have to make that choice.





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RE: The condition of the remaining suspect in the marathon bombing attacks, new information reveals he has injury to his throat, is intubated with a tube down it that is connected to a ventillator which is breathing for him. A judge is supposed to come to his bedside and charge him today.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/21/us/boston-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Doku Umarov, whom his older brother allegedly received training from when he visited Russia in 2011 or 2012 does lead an al Qaida affiliated resistance group.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tsarnaev-condition-hospital-fbi-1532465 39.html

"I hope that the U.S. attorney, Carmen Ortiz, takes him on the federal side and throws the book at him," Boston Mayor Thomas Menino said on ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday.

"We don't know if we'll ever be able to question the individual," Menino added.

Comment: They don't know if they will EVER be able to question him? That sounds like more than sedation. It sounds like he's either sedated (heavily) due to the pain and seriousness of his injuries, or he's paralyzed in his ability to breathe and will not be able to talk anymore. It would be nice if they disclosed the details of his injuries and how they were sustained (if it was in the fight that he was in with his brother and the authorities or if it was when he was shot in the boat).

It would also be nice if they released the video footage of him taking the bag off and placing it at the finish line so the world would know if that definitely happened.

Islam does not permit murdering people, does not permit or advocate suicide bombings. It does not permit pre-emptive drone strikes or invading other countries either. We are where we are as a world due to many people violating the human rights of others.

There are those who wish to establish a caliphate, they should legally acquire the land to do that, and invite people to their Islam. Those who want to live this way, should be allowed to do so in peace. Those who do not would be free to leave those areas if they live here now and live someplace secular. One of the most basic directives in the Quran is 'let there be no complusion in religion'. You cannot force people to do things because of your religious beliefs. They must be able to choose what they believe to be right.

The US sends drones to kill people because we do not want a caliphate and want to kill those who do want one. They in turn fight back. Want peace? Stop waging war.




 

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Johar was shot in the leg, neck and head according to reports. From the reports and interviews I have seen in the media, that big thing with the long barrel was something that ripped the tarp, at that point is probably when shots were fired. It seems that it was after the original shots that they launched the three "stun bombs" which are things they threw into the boat that cause temporary blindness and deafness. It was after that that they were able to board the boat (know they would not be shot) and get him out of the boat. He did not come out with his hands up.

We can be thankful they didn't send a drone with a hell fire missile or have a SWAT sniper just assassinate him. The world wants to hear the full story. There are so many unanswered questions. It is surprising that they did not use the Public Safety clause to charge him as an enemy combatant. Though they said that they could not do that because he is a US citizen. Yet they were able to send a missile after Anwar Al Awlaki, who was also a US citizen to kill him. Maybe once you leave the country they can send a drone.

[yes I know Anwar did advocate killing Americans, I understand why they sent the drone; the point is if you are talking about policy and say that an American can't be regarded as an enemy combatant as is what they called the suspect in the Boston case, they used the designation on another American; even though the whole designation was deemed unconstitutional since it's inception].

What I find interesting is that 282 people were injured, three were outright killed but they were not looking at outright murder or manslaughter charges. I don't know what the legal requirements are for those charges, but that little boy, Martin Richard, who just waited at the finish line to see his Dad cross the finish line is heart wrenching and he was killed.

The tragedy in all of this is that anytime, anywhere in any country, people can just decide to kill other people and there really is not much that can be done to stop it.

What is also interesting is that in 2011 (presumably after Tamerlan, the older brother returned from a trip to Russia) The Boston Globe reported that Tamerlan was friends with Brendan Mess, 25, one of three people found dead in an apartment on the afternoon of Sept. 12. Another report said that the guy was found with pot in the apt., money and his throat slit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/boston-bombing-suspect-cites-us-wars -as-motivation-officials-say/2013/04/23/324b9cea-ac29-11e2-b6fd-ba6f5f26d70 e_print.html

Clearly, the older brother had problems. The Russian intelligence said he had dealings with at least one resistant group in Russia, further identified as the one led by Doku Umarov (an al Qaida affiliate).

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/21/us/boston-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The media also reported that the US federal authorities failed to follow up on the referral from Russian authorities because Tamerlan's name was misspelled on a passenger flight manifest, so US authorities were unaware that he even made the trip to and back from Russia.

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2013/04/23/russia-contacted-fbi -multiple-times-concerns-about-alleged-boston-marathon-bomber/NXGbfiW7hyYeR pdryaK3mN/story.html

I cannot even say some of the things I want to say other than the govt. uses clandestine fighters for political agendas and funds them. An example of it is this.

Wash Post Article Syria 4.14.11
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-secretly-backed-syrian-opposition-gr oups-cables-released-by-wikileaks-show/2011/04/14/AF1p9hwD_story.html

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-04-20/news/chi-fbi-aurora-man-wante d-to-join-al-qaida-in-syria-20130420_1_terrorist-group-syria-complaint

The US funds the fighters in Syria, but arrests someone here who wants to go join them. This war on terrorism is not as it seems. The govt. will use anyone to accomplish political agendas. And the fighters are just happy to take down people they regard as infidels. It is a twisted relationship. Conspiracies? No just clandestine cooperation. What troubles me is that the fighters have to know the New World Agenda and they are part of making that happen.

 

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This is the complaint.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/apr/22/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-c riminal-complaint-charges

G. 27 On April 21 they searched his dormitory room and found a black jacket and white hat similar to those wore by Suspect No. 2 (Jhokar).

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? Are we to believe he went back to his dorm after the bombing to leave his jacket and hat there? Or he had two jackets and hats the same colors?




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This is the complaint.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/apr/22/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-c riminal-complaint-charges

G. 27 On April 21 they searched his dormitory room and found a black jacket and white hat similar to those wore by Suspect No. 2 (Jhokar).

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? Are we to believe he went back to his dorm after the bombing to leave his jacket and hat there? Or he had two jackets and hats the same colors?
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Yes, he went back to his dorm room. How is that so hard to believe, especially for someone like you who seems to believe all kinds of things that are much less plausible? They knew as of Friday that he used his student ID to get into the campus gym and work out the day after the bombing, and "friends" say he was at a party on Wed night. He tried to go right back to his life as others knew it, which turns out to be more of a cover story, as if nothing happened. That is one of the things that make his actions so chilling. His actions after the bombning indicate that he didn't think he'd get caught, or didn't care...whichever it is, the fact that the cloths he wore during the bombing were in his dorm room isn't very hard to beleive.
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This wasn't the most brilliant operation in terms of not getting caught. It's only the finish line of the biggest marathon in the world, and whether it be security, personal or TV, there are cameras everywhere. With the advent of cell/smart phones and digital media in general, everybody has a camera now. It's amazing that they thought they could get away with it.

I am not really buying into the conspiracy theories because I think there is enough video footage that they can tie them to the crime. One agent said he looked at a hundred hours of videos. But there are a few troubling things, there are videos that show other people in the crowd who are military or intel. Now to me, that seems logical, they would be at any big event as part of their job. But some of them had BIG black backpacks, why would that be necessary, they would have had mobile SUV 's with equipment in case anything happened. What do they really need to carry, a phone, tear gas, possibly a stun gun and some flexi-cuffs. Those backpacks were waaaay to big to just have that in there, and even a laptop would have a permanent connection if they needed to use that.

It may mean nothing, but we should be aware of these things. Some people have set up websites for Johar, they believe he is innocent and many believe he was set up. I think the two of them did it and were caught, but we'll have to wait and see what gets revealed. Here are some of the conspiracy theories that people can look into.

CONSPIRACY THEORIES:

http://www.naturalnews.com/039981_Boston_marathon_suspects_media_blackout.h tml

https://twitter.com/freejahar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJ50XJIZLo&NR=1&feature=endscreen

Christopher Greene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtdxDAXm1sg

https://www.blacklistednews.com

 

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I wasn't buying into the conspiracy theories. I thought they had proof and evidence that the two suspects were guilty and everything was as they said it was. But then, questions began to arise, and they have not been adequately answered up until this time.

 

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Watch his video.

http://mindweaponsinragnarok.com/2013/04/21/dzhokar-tsarnaev-still-had-his- backpack-on-after-the-boston-marathon-bombing-incognito-mercenary-looking-g uys-didnt/




 

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I really cannot believe I find myself wondering if this young man is really innocent, but now I am wondering. They tried to paint a portrait of both he and his brother of being malcontents and not fitting into any groups. Well this is not true in Johar's case. He has many friends who believe in his innocence. They have reposted some of his tweets from his own Twitter account disclosed by CNN

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t1#/video/us/2013/04/25/tsr-feyerick-bosto n-suspect-tweets.cnn
J_tsar

which was:

J_tsar

Jahar@J_tsar 29 Jan 2013
I got these bros that I'd take a bullet for, in the leg or the shoulder or something nothing fatal tho

Jahar@J_tsar 12 Jan 2013
Met this marine yesterday who said he doesn't give his name out to "unclassified personnel" he then proceeded to tell me his name quietly.

Jahar@J_tsar 29 May 2012
i didn't become a lifeguard to just chill and get paid, i do it for the people, saving lives brings me joy #lifeguardoftheyear

#FreeJahar@Voice4Jahar 24 Apr 2013

Jahar's defense lawyers are Miriam Conrad, William Fick and Timothy Watkins.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/04/23/meet-boston-bombing-suspects-defens e-team … #PrayForJustice

https://twitter.com/CycLopse_1124/status/327590845870120960/photo/1
8.19.11 Professor Whittingham discussed “thin slicing”

Read Jhokar’s response to her.
8.31.11

https://twitter.com/_EvenAngelsCry/status/327587928274505729/photo/1

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=462260453853203&id=15 7979600947958

This is from Fox News from today.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2327744723001/how-was-call-made-to-end-fbi-quest ioning-of-boston-suspect/?playlist_id=1621774019001

REMARKS: Something is really wrong. This young man was at the marathon. But he was photographed with his usual white/green backback NOT a big black backpack that could hold something the size of a pressure cooker in it. Why do ALL of his friends think he is innocent? The people he saw every day, the people he lived with. In his own tweets he said he has brothers he would take a bullet for "but nothing fatal", that does not seem like someone who wanted to create a situation where he would be "martyred" and killed. He was a lifeguard, responsible for SAVING lives.

He also met a Marine in January. Who was that guy, who sent him and what did he want?

But the most disturbing thing is what he said in response to a lecture from Professor Whttingham, that if anything like that profiling, jumping to conclusions happened again in this country, he hoped people would stand up for those wrongly accussed. What a prophecy.

We all heard the news that they planned to come to NYC to set off more bombs here. Well I remember the last fizzled bombing attempt in Times Square. Remember Faisal Shazhad, they swore he was with the Pakistani Taliban, but their initial reaction was that they did not know him.

Then they said oh yes, yes we sent him and they put out a video in the style and manner of Osama's videos (with that Al Qaida sophistication) saying yes they want to do this. But remember also when Mr. Shahzad was apprehended and he was taken by military police when he tried to board an Emirates Airlines plane? Why didn't regular US Marshalls do it? No it was the military. The whole case stunk from it's inception. Maybe he had been in a training camp over there, maybe not, but that first denial from Ehsanullah Ehsan, official spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban is credible. The later video with Hakimullah, TTP's Amir in it is also credible, but I think that was influenced by Osama because of some of the graphics in it. Maybe Osama told them to claim credit for it because he knew of the guy who did the attack.

The only thing that is clear now is that this is not an open and shut case, and the suspect has many friends who believe in his innocence, and there is intelligence agency involvement even before the attacks, and why was the military doing a "drill" on that day in that town, just like in London on the day of that bombing, and on that day in September 2001. That's just too much coincidence don't you think?






 

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Also from 4.25.13

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/345-justice/17119-focus-dzhokh ar-tsarnaevs-confession-already-has-problems

Investigators have found pieces of remote-control equipment among the debris and were analyzing them, officials said. One official described the detonator as "close-controlled," meaning it had to be triggered within several blocks of the bombs.

THEN HOW COULD IT HAVE BEEN JOHAR AND HIS BROTHER WHEN THEY WERE RIGHT THERE WHEN THE BOMBS WENT OFF IF IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN TRIGGERED FROM A COUPLE OF BLOCKS AWAY?

https://twitter.com/WTHHH_/status/327070819417219072/photo/1
'Who holds a backpack like this? '

 

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4.26.13 Update

You were waiting for it, here it is.

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/04/25/boston-false-flag-tamerlan-tsarnaev- attended-cia-instability-workshop/

The older brother attended a CIA workshop summer 2012. Tamerlan Tsarnaev attended a workshop sponsored by the CIA-linked Jamestown Foundation, Izvestia reports today. The Russian newspaper cites documents produced by the Counterintelligence Department Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia confirming that the NGO “Fund of Caucasus” held workshops in the summer of 2012 and Tsarnaev attended.

The Caucasus Fund was established in November, 2008, following the Geoergian- Ossetian conflict. The main purpose of the organization, according to Izvestia, is to “to recruit young people and intellectuals of the North Caucasus to enhance instability and extremism in the southern regions of Russia.”

The Jamestown Foundation is a known CIA front. It “is only an element in a huge machine, which is controlled by Freedom House and linked to the CIA,” writes the Voltaire Network. “In practice, it has become a specialized news agency in subjects such as the communist and post-communist states and terrorism.” CIA director William Casey and Russian dissident Arkady Shevchenko were instrumental in creating the organization. Jamestown’s board of directors includes Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter.

Brzezinski, a high-level globalist operative, initiated the CIA’s recruitment of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that ultimately produced al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/04/25/sequester-cuts-to-force-marathon- bombing-suspects-lawyers-to-take-3-unpaid-weeks-off/

Remarks: Private military contractors at the marathon, remnants of detonation devices that could only have been triggered from several blocks away. The older brother having went to a CIA workshop. Either he was recruited or he declined.

This is hardly an event by two non descript college kids.

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posted on 4/27/2013 at 11:30 AM

Jokhar's backpack was not black, all the pictures of him with it show it is a light color. And not big enough to hold a pressure cooker. They do not show him carrying a black one, yet it is a black one that is found among the rubble with the insignia from the group called The Craft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnX2lIR9ZjU

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/15/explosions-near-finish-of-boston-marat hon/?hpt=hp_t1
Update, 6:35 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Bill Keating, D-Massachusetts, said an unexploded device was found at a hotel on Boylston Street, and another unexploded device was found at an undisclosed location.Keating, who is a member of the House Homeland Security committee and has spoken to law enforcement sources, tells CNN's Dierdre Walsh that the incidents were a "sophisticated, coordinated, planned attack."

Jokhar was not staying at a hotel. We know that because they reported they found his backpack, hat and jacket at his dorm room AFTER the bombings. That means he went home after the explosion.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51548373?FROM=EN-US_MSNHP%3E1#5155117 1
Unexploded devices in custody. Interview with CongressmanWilliam Keating.

The remnants from the explosion prove it was detonated by toy cars and could only have been done by someone blocks away from the explosion.

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/345-justice/17119-focus-dzhokh ar-tsarnaevs-confession-already-has-problems

His brother was involved with the CIA.

There are pictures of people from "The Craft" there, you can identify them by their tan pants, tan shoes, black jackets and Blackwater like look.

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1718

Whether the brothers participated in it or were just framed by the govt. remains to be determined. It is possible the govt. wanted to recruit the older one and he backed down so they did retribution on him, or they gave him money expected him to do an operation for them and then offed him.

Look at the evidence for yourselves. The incident is not just two kids who ran amuk.

 

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posted on 4/29/2013 at 07:17 PM

As pointed out previously we know that the older brother, Tamerlan was invited to attend a workshop by the Jamestown Foundation. They are reportedly a front for the CIA AND

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=4077 1&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=381&cHash=428c0b6f3e99503cc0eed1a5f39de771

Al-Watan reported that Osama bin Laden had obtained nuclear material from his Chechen contacts. Reportedly, al Qaeda's Chechen branch paid the Russian mafia US$30 million in cash and two tons of opium in exchange for warhead materials that could be used in the making of a "suitcase nuke." (Mark Riebling and R.P. Eddy, "Jihad@Work. Behind the Moscow-Theater Attack." National Review Preview. March 24, 2003.) -

There are some other articles, one shows that Johar's uncle was married to the daughter of a top CIA official (even though they divorced in 2004). The official spent 20 years as an operations officer in Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Hong Kong. In 19XX he was appointed the National Intelligence Officer for Near East and South Asia at the CIA. There is also a story about "A story about a Chechen oil exec/uncle pairing up with a top CIA official who once served as CIA Station Chief in Kabul". Johar's Uncle's "spy connections go far deeper than was already known, which was that he spent two years working in Kazakhstan for USAID."

[I am omitting the links because the name of the CIA official is there, I don't know what bearing that has on this case].

There is more, but I think this is enough for now. What's clear is that:

1) Johar's family had dealings with the intelligence agencies of more than one country. His older brother was invited to a meeting with the Jamestown Foundation. Ostensibly they tried to recruit him. What happened after that is speculative at this point.

My impression is they tried to recruit the older brother, threatened him with connecting him to that triple homicide in Waltham where some guy turned up with his throat slit and a retail sale cache of pot was found. And we all see Tamerlan with that BIG black backpack at the marathon. Maybe he agreed to do an operation for them with the promise of immunity in the other case.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/boston-bombing-suspect-cites-us-wars -as-motivation-officials-say/2013/04/23/324b9cea-ac29-11e2-b6fd-ba6f5f26d70 e_print.html

"Authorities in Massachusetts confirmed that they are investigating whether the elder brother may have been connected to a triple homicide in Waltham, Mass., in September 2011, prosecutors said. The Boston Globe reported that Tamerlan was friends with Brendan Mess, 25, one of three people found dead in an apartment on the afternoon of Sept. 12."

If anything I perceive the younger one, Johar to have been dragged along by his older brother. I would be surprised if Johar had anything to do with the bombing from all the info. that has come out in the media.

The souls of those brutally murdered cry out for justice. Whoever killed that little 8 year old boy must be held accountable. If it was Johar (and I do not think that it is) I would not recommend a death penalty. I would recommend he go and study Islam and then teach others the true Islam. You probably do not know it, but Mullah Umar's Islam does not permit killing innocents, attacking civilians. The US can rightly say that the Afghan Talibs are fighting against the US. The US is in their country trying to enforce it's laws on the Afghan people. Some of the people want secular law, some do not. BUT, to challenge the Taliban on their religion one must first the US must have an understanding of it, which the US does not. There is a stereotypical idea of who they are what what they think and believe which is not correct. This has been proven in their statements.

Amir Khattab's Islam (revered Chechnyan resistance fighter murdered by the Russians in 2002) does not permit murdering innocent civilians or striking first. There are Sheikhs in Saudi and Egypt who know the correct Islam. That is what I would decree for him if he was truly guilty. Give him the truth, give him his heritage, and let him create his own legacy. This horrible event could be an opportunity for that.





 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 10:03 PM
posted 5/2/13

In the other thread, brother Doug made these remarks:

"How about the lesson that international jihad is a dangerous ideology that needs to be contained and fought against? I didn't see that anywhere above. Note I did not say "Islam" I said international jihad. You act as if it makes no difference that these "losers" were motivated by an insidious, dangerous and essentially nihilistic ideology, that they are no different in kind than the "alienated" Columbine shooters. I disagre."

My remarks included the following links relevant to the story.

international jihad" what egg-zackly do you think that means? What does that mean to you Doug?

With the BIG groups who brought the word 'jihad' to the American language denying having any involvemet with the two suspects, how much influence could they have had on them?

You are all assuming they did it. There is a lof of conflicting evidence suggesting many other things happened there. For one thing, if the cops accidentally or deliberately ran over Tamerlan, theu should just admit it, say it was an accident, people will understand that sort of thing happens in a crisis situtation epecially, if as they say they were throwing pipe bombs at them (which is what they said was happening).

With a death penalty looming for the younger one, as a nation, everyone better be sure before you wrongly advocate killing him.

The govt. is involved (they hired the private security who were at the event
GSA contract GS-07F-0425Y SIN 256-42)

They won't even admit there was a "drill" going on that day, this was documented, interviews were done on air, and they try to deny it. Why? The a coach from the university was there as were others including atheletes who heard them announce it. Was it just coincidental an attack happens when they were running a drill? Why is this denied and covered up?

http://www.naturalnews.com/039945_Boston_marathon_bomb_drill_Alastair_Steve nson.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-vjPw8QZV0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axQtAFtmtVA

http://digitaljournal.com/article/349280

The FBI, in its court affidavit, makes no mention of a second car, while local police investigate how the same car they believe was used in the killing of MIT police officer Sean Collier wound up at the shootout scene in Watertown.

According to NBC, police maintain that a green Honda used in the killing of Collier was also at the shootout in Watertown. But the FBI's affidavit in court says that both suspects arrived in the same carjacked vehicle, a black Mercedes SUV. The investigation opens the question of who drove the green Honda.

In a photograph taken by a Watertown resident who witnessed the shootout, a green Honda can be seen with its rear door open and and its headlights on, about ten feet away from the black Mercedes SUV. The photographer, who took the photos after hearing gunfire and explosions, said on his blog describing the photo:

"The shooters were also driving the green sedan on the left. They had the back passenger door open and were going back into the car where they had additional supplies (assumingly, more ammunition and explosives). They also had backpacks at their feet where they also had additional supplies."

The official story says Johar drove over his brother and kept going. There is a witness who says police hit Tamerlan, ran him over and then put bullets into him. (or someone else who was at the same location at the same time).

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/government-terror/woman-says-she-saw-sus pect-hit-byby-police-suv-and-then-shot-by-police.html

Interview on WEEI Boston radio. Dennis Callahan show.4.19

Now why are there all these conflicting stories if things are the way the official story is? We all watched CBS news in real time during the boat seize and only heard one set of shots, yet they said there was a 20 minute volley. No volley. Everyone wants it simple, two overzealous Muslims go on a rampage killing Americans, if it was that way, why are there accounts at the scenes that do not match? Lack of information sharing?

The other posters had no answers for any of those questions. They still believe everything they have been told. I no longer accept the official story as 100 per cent truth. I don't necessarily think it is a huge conspiracy by all the factions of people investigating it, I think there is a lack of knowledge sharing due to jurisdictional arguments etc. What I think should happen in any crime scene such as Boston would be that the Boston PD, FBI and the intelligence people all have access to the forensic evidence. I don't believe this has happened.

While there are sensitive intelligence concerns due to the disclosures in the media of some family members associations with people in the intelligence community, that should not be something that forces them to just overtake the others. The military torture better than the local cops, their techniques are worse and the misery is longer lasting, the locals were not allowed to even question him, he was taken into federal custody.

My belief is a) he should have had a lawyer from the beginning. Being questioned and then we are told he admitted things until a lawyer showed up and told him to stop talking, how can we believe what they say he said? Why can't there be a media person present who is sworn to not print anything but would be watchdog to prevent lies and trial fixing? Nobody would be able to say, well he admitted this, if an independent party witnessed what he is supposed to be saying.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 10:39 PM
There are a lot of questions that need anwers.

1) Johar's backack was white and grey, not black. All footage of the backpacks show black packs used in the bombing. Since he was taped the whole time he was there, how would he have been able to place a black pack there?

2) the University Coach did interviews about the Bombing drill going on that day and athletes heard them announce they were doing a drill don't worry about it. Why do they now deny that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axQtAFtmtVA
Alex, Univ Michigan Coach was there and tells that the speakers told them not to worry, they were running a drill that day.

Alastair Stevenson is a veteran marathon runner who has competed in dozens of marathons around the world, including the London Marathon. He’s very familiar with the security typically found at marathons, and he immediately noticed something odd about the Boston marathon security.

“They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about. It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill,” he was quoted as saying by Local15TV.com.

“At the start at the event, at the Athlete’s Village, there were people on the roof looking down onto the Village at the start. There were dogs with their handlers going around sniffing for explosives, and we were told on a loud announcement that we shouldn’t be concerned and that it was just a drill. And maybe it was just a drill, but I’ve never seen anything like that — not at any marathon that I’ve ever been to. You know, that just concerned me that that’s the only race that I’ve seen in my life where they had dogs sniffing for explosions, and that’s the only place where there had been explosions.”

http://www.naturalnews.com/039945_Boston_marathon_bomb_drill_Alastair_Steve nson.html

The real breaking news is found in the alternative media, where Anthony Gucciardi of StoryLeak.com just nailed an on-the-record interview with Alastair Stevenson, the University of Alabama cross country track coach who heard law enforcement telling the crowd, "It's just a drill" immediately after the explosions.

The full phone interview is now posted online at both YouTube (where it is likely to be immediately censored):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-vjPw8QZV0

and TV.NaturalNews.com (where it will NOT be censored)
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=95301C5F1DD70FFE9BDA21A4B43BD44D


"At the start at the event, at the Athlete's Village, there were people on the roof looking down onto the Village at the start. There were dogs with their handlers going around sniffing for explosives, and we were told on a loud announcement that we shouldn't be concerned and that it was just a drill. And maybe it was just a drill, but I've never seen anything like that -- not at any marathon that I've ever been to. You know, that just concerned me that that's the only race that I've seen in my life where they had dogs sniffing for explosions, and that's the only place where there had been explosions."

That's just two questions no one will answer.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 10:47 PM
Here's another unanswered question.

3) We are told two amateur kids who never even went to an Al Qaida training camp to learn bomb making techniques were able to shape their charges and time their explosions, well here's what fomer FBI agent (and not just any agent but the head of the bin Laden unit had to say about it).

"Monday’s bomb attack on the Boston Marathon showed a “level of sophistication or training” in the construction and placement of the weapons that could complicate the identification of the culprits, said a former FBI agent who led the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Jack L. Cloonan, who led the FBI’s Osama bin Laden unit from 1996 to 2002, said that the FBI’s evidence response team would have to painstakingly sift the rubble of Monday’s twin blasts for fragments of the devices, which is why they have secured the scene.

“These devices were powerful enough to shred limbs, lethal enough to kill people … The person or people that did this were very smart,” said Mr. Cloonan, who retired from the FBI in 2002 and now heads the special risks team at Red24, a U.K.-based security firm. Despite all the talk about bomb designs and explosive recipes on the Internet, Mr. Cloonan said: “It’s actually not easy to make a bomb [from scratch]. A lot has to go right” for it to work.

He said that by timing the explosions for a few hours into the marathon, the bomber ensured that the professional athletes would have long ceded the finish line to “ordinary Joes,” meaning that “media attention has pulled back and law enforcement naturally has the instinct to start to relax.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/16/ex-bin-laden-hunter-boston- bombing-sophisticated/

Still think a 19 year old kid could do that? I don't, particularly when it was proven by the forensics that they were detonated from toy cars blocks away and Johar was photographed at the event during the entire time.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51548373?FROM=EN-US_MSNHP%3E1#5155166 6
March 2011 National counterterrorism center did an exercise to prepare for an event like this.
Michael Leiter.

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/345-justice/17119-focus-dzhokh ar-tsarnaevs-confession-already-has-problems

Investigators have found pieces of remote-control equipment among the debris and were analyzing them, officials said. One official described the detonator as "close-controlled," meaning it had to be triggered within several blocks of the bombs.

Two amateur kids did the bombing? Detonation, timing etc. was advanced that's what the head people who know about such things say. If they just threw the bags, ran like hell and they exploded maybe we could believe it, but with all these other things?

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 11:14 PM
You won't want to hear this but maybe you should. The private company that provided security for the event was called The Craft, some call it Trade Craft. It was founded by Chris Kyle, the highly decorated Marksmen (that's nice talk for Professional Sniper), who reportedly was a member of Seal Team Six (the group who went to Abbottabad looking for Osama). Kyle was killed in an accident at a Texas rifle range.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/03/chris-kyle-navy-seal-d ead/1887327/

Two other members of Seal Team six were injured in a parachuting training accident in Arizona, one died. The command has a parachute testing and training facility at the Pinal Airpark northeast of Tucson, McGraw said. Training programs are operated there year-round.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/navy_ids_seal_team_member_killed_kNWu ce4quG6YSJ2oVPer2L


Their website shows they are under govt. contract.

http://co-store.com/craftgear
GSA contract GS-07F-0425Y SIN 256-42

Alex Jones and others have reported that Chris Kyle founded the Craft, not just because he knew others like himself who wanted to have their own business, but because of being disgusted with the govt. He reportedly had 12,000 brothers in arms who were willing to be in an insurgency. America's greatest threats will be those who are trained. There are those other two members of Seal Team Six who wrote books which have been debunked by news reports of that day in Abbottabad (international news reports not controlled by the five groups that control US media).

And now we have these horrible attacks in Boston, if it is not the Tsarnaev brothers, then it was done by others who were trained in that sort of thing. I find suspicious that two members of the elite group who were sent after Osama wind up dead in accidents, and it is he founder's group who was providing security at the marathon. They had people up on the roofs watching, how did they not see anything right at the finish line? Paramilitary professionals had no idea who did it? I do not believe that.

 

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  posted on 5/11/2013 at 11:10 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bombing-suspect-buried-virginia-cemetery-20413 1981.html


The news has pretty much been quiet about the marathon bombing suspects at this time with the exception of the older brother, Tamerlan continuing to be a news item because of the outrage, the good people of Cambridge and the entire state of Massachusetts did not want him buried on their soil. Now he has allegedly found a resting place in Virginia. His Uncle (the one with the alleged CIA links) facilitated it.

Yet even the Muslims are angry he was buried there.

"It was not immediately clear who owned the cemetery in Doswell. The Virginia Cemetery Board, a government agency, regulates only for-profit cemeteries. Cemeteries owned by churches and government entities are not required to have a state-issued license. Imam Ammar Amonette, of the Islamic Center of Virginia, said that his group was never consulted and that Mullen reached out to a separate group, the Islamic Society of Greater Richmond. "

"The whole Muslim community here is furious. Frankly, we are furious that we were never given any information. It was all done secretly behind our backs," Amonette said, adding that it "makes no sense whatsoever" that Tsarnaev's body was buried in Virginia.

"Now everybody who's buried in that cemetery, their loved ones are going to have to go to that place," he said.

Caroline County Sheriff Tony Lippa was concerned, too. "I know of no Virginia law enforcement agency that was notified. No one in county or state government was aware of this," Lippa said.
Lane Kneedler, an attorney who represented the Virginia Cemetery Association when the law was drafted to regulate for-profit cemeteries in the late 1990s, said private burial grounds only have to meet local zoning requirements.

His mother also said Russia refused to allow his body into the country so she could bury him in her native Dagestan, but Russian authorities would not comment on that contention.

Commentary: Firstly, Tamerlan was a SUSPECT in the bombings. He never went to court, evidence was not presented beyond any reasonable doubt that he was the one who masterminded and carried out the bombings; yet the entire country convicted him based on what they were told by the authorities.

Secondly, when a person dies, their spirit leaves the body, all that is left is the body, what harm can that do to anyone? None. What is the justification for the outrage then? 'He does not deserve to be buried among our righteous, sanctimonius people who we have elevated to positions of worth'. That's the crux of it all. People usurping God's right to sit in Judgement of them.

Everyone is born and dies. God reserved judgement on people for himself, he did not grant others the right to decide who is/was good or not. If we looked at the lives of all the other people buried in Massachusetts, would there not be transgressions by others?

Yet it is over now for Tamerlan, he was shot hundred of times and then ran over by what eyewitnesses say was a police cruiser, though they tell you his brother ran him over. Islamic burial traditions do not allow for idolatry or making big fancy statues and mausoleums for the dead. There may be some stones to mark the grave so that those who knew the dead can come to visit if they want to, but that is it.

The worst is yet to come. Johar goes to court May 30th, and the good people of Cambridge have already sealed his fate too. He was accused, has already been tried in the court of public opinion and found guilty, and he faces the death penalty. Nobody wants to acknowledge the discrepancies in the evidence against him. Well almost nobody. The 9/11 Truth movement will probably have a few things to say, because state sponsored terrorism will never be accepted by people of conscience.

9/11 gets more murky though because there is unreleased interview footage of Osama justifying attacks on civilians. But even with that, those are only his beliefs, even with Zacharias Moussaoui's testimony in that Virginia courthouse that he was not involved in the attacks of 9/11, but came to the US to train and plan for attacks that next year, the system just said well you are a terrorist so we will pronounce judgement on you anyway.

Very sad state of affairs all the way around.



 

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