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  posted on 8/17/2012 at 09:17 PM
i mean really, what can't you do. Just because its a Law....does that really stop you?
 
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  posted on 8/17/2012 at 09:41 PM
Yes . And if it doesn't stop you, it will eventually. Unless you bought the law.
 

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  posted on 8/17/2012 at 09:58 PM
I'd like to pay a tax rate of 13%, but if I did that I would go to jail.
 

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  posted on 8/17/2012 at 09:59 PM
I'd like to keep more net pay from my paychecks.
 

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  posted on 8/17/2012 at 10:26 PM
I used to want to get a tank to use to pick up my kids at school so I could run over the nitwits who didn't know how to drive. Seriously....I would have mowed down a lot of them!

 

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  posted on 8/17/2012 at 10:55 PM
I would like to be able to gamble on sports in our county in places outside of Nevada. I would also like to be able to gamble on sports online preferably with US based and US regulated companies.

The only time I can remember that I strongly stood side-by-side with Senator Harry Reid was maybe 10-12 years ago or so when some in Congress were pushing to ban either just college or all sports betting in Las Vegas.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 01:41 AM
lol taxes is worst thing they stop you from doing? funny
ok ann driving a tank but....lol really?
nebish they not stopping you from gambling......maybe you don't know the right people

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 01:45 AM
There's a lot of ways to answer this, but I'll start with one that I bet few, if any, have thought of or even remotely know of.

I'd like to actually own my land and my vehicle free and clear.

What? Of course you can own these things! Well, if that's what you think, you're wrong.

You can get a title for your land and your car when you pay these things off, but you don't actually own them. If you owned them outright, you wouldn't have to pay annual taxes or fees on them. Due you pay annual taxes on anything else you "own". Of course not! But you pay taxes in various ways on land and vehicles to the state because, in absolute legal terms, you don't have full and exclusive ownership. You share it with the state, and pay taxes and fees forever for the priviledge of sharing that ownership.

The only way around that is to get something called "Allodial Title", which is just about impossible to do.

Given that most all your "rights" come from legal concepts of property ownership, exactly how secure are they if you can't even have true ownership of your land or even your vehicle?

Ok, back to the regular WP silliness....

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 01:55 AM
sorry lol....but are you really concerned you will lose your property in this way sometime in the future?
 

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sorry lol....but are you really concerned you will lose your property in this way sometime in the future?

Who said anything about losing?

It's about ownership, taxes, and rights.

But since you mentioned loss, how do you think govt justifies eminent domain? How do you think those folks in New London, CT felt when the city decided they wanted their property solely becuase a developer came along pitching a redevelopment scheme which would generate more tax revenue, and told the home owners that they were taking the property under eminent domain statutes (Kilo v City of New London). If they truely owned their property, that wouldn't be possible. But since land ownership isn't what we think of as full and true ownership, the state can get away with stuff like this.

I think that in the "land of the free" we should actually be able to own our land and our vehicles in the truest sense, don't you?

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 06:34 AM
When I was young there were all kinds of things I wanted to do that were against the law - and I did them. I was constantl;y at odds with authorities and an entire segment of my community. After meeting God that all changed. Not becuase I wanted to obey the law, but because the things I want to do now are about helping my community, not declaring war on it. I have had no conflict with law enforcement since that time. Having worked in the prison system with both youth and adults I can assure you there are serious and devastating consequences for certain many who disregard the law and do just what they want to do.

And if you don't pay your property taxes your property can and will be confiscated.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 07:35 AM
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nebish they not stopping you from gambling......maybe you don't know the right people


I know the right people.

But like I said, it is illegal to gamble on sports outside of Nevada and it is illegal to gamble online and if you do it you are dealing with foreign entities and often shady operations. So in this respect, the government is preventing me from engaging in these activities above board and is forcing the money either to foreign offshore sportsbooks or local outfits. So if I bet the Over on the Green Bay Packers game I am a criminal. I don't want to be a criminal, but sports gambling is fantastic entertainment also.

I would love to see the major casinos run mega online sports betting websites with the safety and assurance of being paid if you win just like at the book in Vegas. The government does not allow this.

Football season is around the corner so this is the issue that comes to mind at the moment.

 

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Speaking of property tax, I live in Ohio and when we buy a new or used car we pay sales tax on the purchase price, paying the tax ONCE. Some states have annual personal property tax laws where each year you must pay a tax on the value of your car. What a rip off!!! We could make a very very very long list of all the ways we pay tax and yes IT IS TOO MUCH.
 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 07:59 AM
smoke pot

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 10:28 AM
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Some states have annual personal property tax laws where each year you must pay a tax on the value of your car. What a rip off!!! We could make a very very very long list of all the ways we pay tax and yes IT IS TOO MUCH.
That's something I miss from OH as well. I remember being in Cincy and having coworkers who lived across the river talking about personal property tax, which usually applied to vehicles, boats, etc. However you do have to register every year (like most places), and that annual fee is another form of taxation. Down here in NC, we have both.

We've just become so used to these things that most never question them. But behind it all the legal justification comes down to the issue of ownership.

 

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Some states have annual personal property tax laws where each year you must pay a tax on the value of your car. What a rip off!!! We could make a very very very long list of all the ways we pay tax and yes IT IS TOO MUCH.
That's something I miss from OH as well. I remember being in Cincy and having coworkers who lived across the river talking about personal property tax, which usually applied to vehicles, boats, etc. However you do have to register every year (like most places), and that annual fee is another form of taxation. Down here in NC, we have both.

We've just become so used to these things that most never question them. But behind it all the legal justification comes down to the issue of ownership.


In California I believe that you only have to pay fees to operate your vehicle on public roads. If you only operate your vehicle on private property (race cars, farm equipment, construction equipment, etc), you are exempt from annual fees. That seems fair to me. But if you drive on public roads, it seems only fair that you need to chip in to maintain them.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 12:21 PM
not wear my seatbelt.

drive barefoot.

or make citizen arrests, or issue tickets to, people who don't use their directional and/or litter and who don't realize that when I'm going straight down a road and they're coming in the opposite direction and taking a left into and through my lane of travel, they don't have the right-of-way.

I have driving issues with some of you people...


 

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I have driving issues with some of you people...


me too. tailgating should be regarded as threatening assault with a deadly weapon, seriously. Nothing gets me more pissed off as when I'm already my max ten miles over the speed limit, and I get a line of cars tailgating me wanting to go 80 mph. I let them pass when I can, but that isn't always possible. It always amazes me how otherwise law-abiding citizens turn into criminals behind the wheel of a car. For some reason people don't regard disobedience of road law as criminal. It is like some common consensus rebellion, they only obey the rules when a cop is around. Leaning on you, almost bumping your car, then a cop shows up and they slow down to the speed limit. So they know it is bad, but cop goes by and they are right back on your tail.

Speeding, dodging, weaving, tailgating, taking incredible risks for a few seconds of travel time, it is truly unreal. And all you get is a ticket. If you steal a piece of gum you will go to jail, but for endangering the lives of others and potentially causing untold $ of damage, resulting in billions of dollars in increased insurance rates for everyone, draining taxpayer pockets for more highway law enforcement, on an on and on, you get a ticket.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 03:03 PM
property taxes are a big'in for me,all these towns have a use it or lose it mentality,or baseline budgeting,and then find ways to waste our money.they cant stop spending so they will never cease raising property taxes.here in NY we have some of the highest taxes in the country,I pay more for my taxes each month than my mortgage.plus where we live there are no street lights,sidewalks,so its hard to justify where it goes
 

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Some states have annual personal property tax laws where each year you must pay a tax on the value of your car. What a rip off!!! We could make a very very very long list of all the ways we pay tax and yes IT IS TOO MUCH.


That's something I miss from OH as well. I remember being in Cincy and having coworkers who lived across the river talking about personal property tax, which usually applied to vehicles, boats, etc. However you do have to register every year (like most places), and that annual fee is another form of taxation. Down here in NC, we have both.

We've just become so used to these things that most never question them. But behind it all the legal justification comes down to the issue of ownership.



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In California I believe that you only have to pay fees to operate your vehicle on public roads. If you only operate your vehicle on private property (race cars, farm equipment, construction equipment, etc), you are exempt from annual fees. That seems fair to me. But if you drive on public roads, it seems only fair that you need to chip in to maintain them.



How about all the gas that I pay state and federal tax on that is used in my lawn equipment each year (log splitter, weed wacker, brush hog, lawn mower, chain saw, leaf blower). Or if you are filling up a dirt bike, or ATV, or wave runner, or fishing boat with gas...still pay state and federal gas tax on that and the consumption of that fuel isn't taking place on public roads and in fact the use of this equipment/property might be taking place on private land or private water ways.

So the state and feds make a good bit of money on their gas tax for things that are never used on public roads.

Say you have an ATV or boat that requires annual registration in order to legally operate, just exactly what does that tax go towards? It makes annual registrations so much more expensive, to not only pay the registration fee (maybe around $50 bucks), but a tax on the % of value the piece of property has (which could be a couple hundred buck more - each year!).

I don't live in a personal property tax state for things like vehicles and such, but if you live in one that you pay the sales tax when you purchase and then are forced to pay more annual tax on the current value, I just wonder do they give you vasoline with that?

[Edited on 8/18/2012 by nebish]

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 09:25 PM
this is exactley what people need to start thinking about,all this money we pay ,tax for this ,tax for that ,but yet every village,town,state are broke,wheres it go? waste
 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 09:46 PM
They talked about stock market transaction taxes, a national sales tax, an internet tax, carbon tax, a mileage driven tax, a junk food tax and sugary drink tax...government will never ever have enough tax to do all the things they want to do. People resist to higher and new taxes, yet the difficulty the govt has obtaining new tax dollars does nothing to stop the financial commitments and spending, they do it anyway whether the money is there to pay the bill or not.

I don't know what the TEA Party stands for these days, or if they have any kind of following really. But the origins of that name alone, Taxed Enough Already, really resonates.


 

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  posted on 8/19/2012 at 11:25 AM
I'd like to keep the family farm acreage by growing hemp.

 

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Some states have annual personal property tax laws where each year you must pay a tax on the value of your car. What a rip off!!! We could make a very very very long list of all the ways we pay tax and yes IT IS TOO MUCH.


That's something I miss from OH as well. I remember being in Cincy and having coworkers who lived across the river talking about personal property tax, which usually applied to vehicles, boats, etc. However you do have to register every year (like most places), and that annual fee is another form of taxation. Down here in NC, we have both.

We've just become so used to these things that most never question them. But behind it all the legal justification comes down to the issue of ownership.



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In California I believe that you only have to pay fees to operate your vehicle on public roads. If you only operate your vehicle on private property (race cars, farm equipment, construction equipment, etc), you are exempt from annual fees. That seems fair to me. But if you drive on public roads, it seems only fair that you need to chip in to maintain them.



How about all the gas that I pay state and federal tax on that is used in my lawn equipment each year (log splitter, weed wacker, brush hog, lawn mower, chain saw, leaf blower). Or if you are filling up a dirt bike, or ATV, or wave runner, or fishing boat with gas...still pay state and federal gas tax on that and the consumption of that fuel isn't taking place on public roads and in fact the use of this equipment/property might be taking place on private land or private water ways.

So the state and feds make a good bit of money on their gas tax for things that are never used on public roads.

Say you have an ATV or boat that requires annual registration in order to legally operate, just exactly what does that tax go towards? It makes annual registrations so much more expensive, to not only pay the registration fee (maybe around $50 bucks), but a tax on the % of value the piece of property has (which could be a couple hundred buck more - each year!).

I don't live in a personal property tax state for things like vehicles and such, but if you live in one that you pay the sales tax when you purchase and then are forced to pay more annual tax on the current value, I just wonder do they give you vasoline with that?

[Edited on 8/18/2012 by nebish]


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  posted on 8/19/2012 at 07:50 PM
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I'd like to pay a tax rate of 13%, but if I did that I would go to jail.


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