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Author: Subject: Bernie Sanders Exposes the 26 Billionaires who are Buying the 2012 Election

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  posted on 7/25/2012 at 03:52 PM
http://politicususa.com/bernie-sanders-exposes-26-billionaires-buying-2012- election.html

 

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  posted on 7/25/2012 at 04:22 PM
There's fair and balanced for ya.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2012 at 04:29 PM
And it's not even that it's the people who are being purchased. It's the state officials who are trying to make it harder for people to vote and the companies making the voting machines themselves that have been proven to be rather less than reliable to put it mildly. I'm not for sale....but evidently there are a lot of other factors in an elecion that are.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2012 at 04:39 PM
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And it's not even that it's the people who are being purchased. It's the state officials who are trying to make it harder for people to vote and the companies making the voting machines themselves that have been proven to be rather less than reliable to put it mildly. I'm not for sale....but evidently there are a lot of other factors in an elecion that are.


Have you been following the Va fiasco?

 

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  posted on 7/25/2012 at 04:54 PM
For all those who blast Judge Roberts & the Supreme Court for the Affordable Health Care Act decision, I believe the Citizens United decision is far worse. The CU decision puts the government up for sale - no if, ands or buts. I can't see how anyone could think this is a good ruling or a practical idea.

So much for "of the people, by the people, for the people". Now we have "of the billion$, by the billion$, and for the billion$".

 

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And it's not even that it's the people who are being purchased. It's the state officials who are trying to make it harder for people to vote and the companies making the voting machines themselves that have been proven to be rather less than reliable to put it mildly. I'm not for sale....but evidently there are a lot of other factors in an elecion that are.


Have you been following the Va fiasco?


Yes, and it's a sorry state of affairs that's going on in several other states.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2012 at 07:57 PM
Where are George Soros, Penny Pritzker, Warren Buffet and Oprah on that list?
 

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  posted on 7/25/2012 at 09:33 PM
The 26 individuals on that list...

How many jobs have they created, and how many millions in wages have they paid to folks on their payrolls? How much have they paid in taxes over their lifetime? Seems to me they should have some input on what goes on in elections.

 

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Of course they should but are you trying to say because they have more money they should have more say than the average person?

 

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Of course they should but are you trying to say because they have more money they should have more say than the average person?


I think they should have more say than someone with no skin in the game; a person that doesn't pay taxes, feeds off the government, and makes little or no contribution to much of anything. Who do you think that person will always support?

 

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  posted on 7/25/2012 at 10:28 PM
So, if someone has lost his or her job, had to draw unemployment and as a result of the economy lost their house so they're living in subsidized housing drawing food stamps until they can find a job and get back on their feet, they shouldn't have the same say in how this country is run as the billionaires who maybe profited from mismanaged fiscal matters? How can you believe in what this country stands for and still say that someone should have more say because they have money?

 

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So, if someone has lost his or her job, had to draw unemployment and as a result of the economy lost their house so they're living in subsidized housing drawing food stamps until they can find a job and get back on their feet, they shouldn't have the same say in how this country is run as the billionaires who maybe profited from mismanaged fiscal matters? How can you believe in what this country stands for and still say that someone should have more say because they have money?


That's not at all how you framed the original question.

 

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are you trying to say because they have more money they should have more say than the average person?

That was my question, you said yes. I asked a different question to get you to elaborate on the subject. What's the problem?

 

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  posted on 7/26/2012 at 03:43 AM
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I think they should have more say than someone with no skin in the game; a person that doesn't pay taxes, feeds off the government, and makes little or no contribution to much of anything.


Wow. Where to begin......

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I think they should have more say


POLL SAYS 90% OF AMERICANS BELIEVE BIG BUSINESS HAS TOO MUCH POWER (2005 poll)
http://reclaimdemocracy.com/articles_2005/business_power_poll.php

BIG COMPANIES HAVE TOO MUCH POWER AND INFLUENCE IN DC, POLL FINDS (2010 Poll)
http://globalethics.org/newsline/2010/04/12/dc-poll/

BIG COMPANIES SEEN BY STRONG MAJORITIES AS HAVING TOO MUCH POWER AND INFLUENCE IN DC (2011 poll)
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/pacs-big-companies-lobbyists-and-ba nks-and-financial-institutions-seen-by-strong-majorities-as-having-too-much -power-and-influence-in-dc-155315865.html

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a person that doesn't pay taxes


Bernie Sanders' Guide to Corporate Freeloaders (Huge Corporations That Paid No tax)
http://www.azprogress.org/sites/default/files/content/Corporate%20Greed%20T op%2010.jpg

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makes little or no contribution to anything


Are you saying, for example, that the underpaid workers employed by these 26 billionaires have made little or no contribution to anything? That the Billionaires could've gotten rich without their employees to help them?

Giving giant corporations more say in Government?
Not when they have a record like this....
THE TOP 100 CORPORATE CRIME STORIES OF 2011
http://corporatecrimereporter.com/top10012162011.htm

[Edited on 7/26/2012 by woodsdweller]

 

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  posted on 7/26/2012 at 07:32 AM
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So, if someone has lost his or her job, had to draw unemployment and as a result of the economy lost their house so they're living in subsidized housing drawing food stamps until they can find a job and get back on their feet, they shouldn't have the same say in how this country is run as the billionaires who maybe profited from mismanaged fiscal matters? How can you believe in what this country stands for and still say that someone should have more say because they have money?


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All people are created equally. Everyone puts on their pants one leg at a time. Just because someone has more money than the next person & has created a payroll or jobs shouldn't translate to greater access / influence to politicians nor "ownership" of government.

 

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Of course they should but are you trying to say because they have more money they should have more say than the average person?


I think they should have more say than someone with no skin in the game; a person that doesn't pay taxes, feeds off the government, and makes little or no contribution to much of anything. Who do you think that person will always support?


Wow. If that is your take on an "average person" in this country, then you really do have a warped sense of reality.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2012 at 08:32 AM
Take it anywhere you want it to go, but I stand by my statement. I don't see anything outrageous about someone at that level of acheivement exerting influence over who gets elected.
 

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Take it anywhere you want it to go, but I stand by my statement. I don't see anything outrageous about someone at that level of acheivement exerting influence over who gets elected.


With that kind of trust to those above, will you stop voting?

 

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  posted on 7/26/2012 at 08:55 AM
OK, scale it back, should I be banned because I contribute on a regular basis to the party or organizations I choose because I can and because thats what i think is a good use of my money?

Its just being done a larger scale.

And please don't imply that there aren't a lot of deep pockets contributing to both parties.

 

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OK, scale it back, should I be banned because I contribute on a regular basis to the party or organizations I choose because I can and because thats what i think is a good use of my money?

Its just being done a larger scale.

And please don't imply that there aren't a lot of deep pockets contributing to both parties.



That depends. With what you donate, can you directly influence or even write legislation that becomes law? Does it get you connected enough to receive large amounts of government subsidies to assist your private business?

 

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  posted on 7/26/2012 at 09:02 AM
Let's keep in mind that right now there are basically no campaign finance rules. The government is more for sale right now than it has ever been. Corporations are people, my friend.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2012 at 09:05 AM
Another little statistical tidbit regarding who's "buying gov't:"

"Who gives money to Super PACs?
So far, 0.000063 percent of the country’s population—196 superwealthy people—have given more than 80 percent of the Super PAC money spent in the presidential election.
TheAtlantic.com"

 

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Let's keep in mind that right now there are basically no campaign finance rules. The government is more for sale right now than it has ever been. Corporations are people, my friend.


Great post.

Going, going, gone. Sold to the highest bidders. The government is basically now owned by an oligopoly thanks to Citizens United.

Where have we heard that last line of your post? It seems oh so familiar.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2012 at 12:11 PM
Yet, nary a peep about the shelving of an audit of the most influential corporation in the world?
 

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Yet, nary a peep about the shelving of an audit of the most influential corporation in the world?


Well, we did banter this travesty about quite sometime ago when Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul, and others we pushing for an audit of the Fed. I entirely agree that the Fed should be held to the highest standard of transparency and should be required to complete an annual audit.

I'm sure you recall that it was only because of the efforts of the aforementioned individuals and others behind the scenes the led to the revelation that the Fed had actually given out Trillions of dollars at the height if the financial crisis to not only American owned banks, but foreign banks, govt's, etc..

Part of the problem is that the average citizen has no clue what the Federal Reserve even is much less the extent of its power and little to no oversight by other branches of gov't.

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