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Zen Peach



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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 08:03 PM
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If only we lived in a world where no one spoke a word that others found "hateful". As long as speech does not call for action, it is free speech. Period.


So if speech calls for action it isn't protected free speech? Pretty broad, but I will assume you mean calling for violence or repression, persecution. If I got that right, what would you call that kind of speech? Sounds like you are rankling about a buzzword like "hate speech" being used too freely, while acknowledging that some speech is unacceptable and dangerous.


"All green people are idiots and should not be allowed to Vote". (Free speech)... But it might be called "Hate speech" because it is mean and unnecessary! lol.... But, a first amendment protected phrase.

"I want you to grab a 2x4 and go over there and beat every green person you see to death with it"...Not protected, calls for action. And is not protected by the 1st amendment

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 08:54 PM
I agree, to a point. I don't see it as cut and dried as calling for action or not, though that is certainly a good standard. Gotta have some kind of baseline definition.

I feel that extremely dehumanizing humiliating, or threatening language that can terrorize or demoralize targets, speech that encourages others to attack, without directly calling for attack, can be hate speech once it reaches a certain point. Not gonna get into it more than this, pretty charged subject. But yeah, I get it, inciting action vs just blowing air, pretty good place to start.

So: "All green people deserve to be hit by 2x4s" is hate speech.
Perhaps to a lesser degree than "Go hit green people with 2x4s", but still hate speech, though not a direct call for action.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2018 at 09:05 PM
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I agree, to a point. I don't see it as cut and dried as calling for action or not, though that is certainly a good standard. Gotta have some kind of baseline definition.

I feel that extremely dehumanizing humiliating, or threatening language that can terrorize or demoralize targets, speech that encourages others to attack, without directly calling for attack, can be hate speech once it reaches a certain point. Not gonna get into it more than this, pretty charged subject. But yeah, I get it, inciting action vs just blowing air, pretty good place to start.

So: "All green people deserve to be hit by 2x4s" is hate speech.
Perhaps to a lesser degree than "Go hit green people with 2x4s", but still hate speech, though not a direct call for action.


"Hate speech" today, as defined by whoever, sounds an awful lot like whining.

 

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  posted on 11/28/2018 at 12:01 AM
Yeah well, nice attempt at an exchange of views anyway, a refreshing break from the usual antagonistic kneejerking that passes for dialogue in this joint.
 

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  posted on 11/28/2018 at 08:47 AM
Music lyrics, too, have been targeted for being inciting, unacceptable calls to action, & hate speech.

For anyone interested in general, jargon-free books on free speech, there's Floyd Abram's Soul of the 1st Amendment (2018), Anthony Lewis's Biography of the 1st Amendment (2010), & pretty much anything by Monroe Price regarding digital speech. There's also the classic John Stuart Mill essay On Liberty (1859).



 

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  posted on 11/28/2018 at 09:49 AM
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So: "All green people deserve to be hit by 2x4s" is hate speech.


Forget the label or legality of it. A person who has this mindset is clearly low-rent and should be ignored.

 

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  posted on 11/28/2018 at 11:16 AM
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So: "All green people deserve to be hit by 2x4s" is hate speech.


Forget the label or legality of it. A person who has this mindset is clearly low-rent and should be ignored.


Absolutely agree. But there is a huge difference in the ability to ignore vitriol like this and calling for it to be banned because you find it offensive or "Hateful"

 

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