Thread: Dr. Sanjay Gupta to Jeff Sessions: Medical Marijuana Could Save Many Opioid Addicts

robslob - 5/30/2018 at 10:18 PM

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/24/health/medical-marijuana-opioid-epidemic -sanjay-gupta/index.html?no-st=1527718439

Gupta to Sessions: "I realize this is an unconventional way to reach you, but your office declined numerous requests for an interview, and as a journalist, a doctor and a citizen, I felt it imperative to make sure you had access to our findings."

I find it utterly disgusting that Gupta must resort to journalism to try and get our Attorney General's attention.

[Edited on 5/30/2018 by robslob]


OriginalGoober - 5/30/2018 at 11:47 PM

Dr Gupta should abandon that failed fake news network if he want to be taken seriously when he tries to champion public health issues. Otherwise, he is drowning under the big top in a circus full of ass-clowns .


sckeys - 5/31/2018 at 01:04 AM

He will never listen.


MartinD28 - 5/31/2018 at 01:13 AM

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Dr Gupta should abandon that failed fake news network if he want to be taken seriously when he tries to champion public health issues. Otherwise, he is drowning under the big top in a circus full of ass-clowns .


goob,

Based upon your medical background, can you explain the correlation between one's medical background / public health issues and the news network for which Gupta works.

So, if he would have worked for FOX, then he would be taken more seriously?

Further, can you explain why CNN is considered a failing fake news network based upon financials and viewership. Or are you just by chance restating what Honest Don tells you?


jkeller - 5/31/2018 at 01:15 AM

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quote:
Dr Gupta should abandon that failed fake news network if he want to be taken seriously when he tries to champion public health issues. Otherwise, he is drowning under the big top in a circus full of ass-clowns .


goob,

Based upon your medical background, can you explain the correlation between one's medical background / public health issues and the news network for which Gupta works.

So, if he would have worked for FOX, then he would be taken more seriously?

Further, can you explain why CNN is considered a failing fake news network based upon financials and viewership. Or are you just by chance restating what Honest Don tells you?


Good luck with that. He can seldom answer simple questions and you asked multiple questions. Unless Fox or Lyin' Don discuss them, you will never get an answer.


BrerRabbit - 5/31/2018 at 04:16 AM

Marijuana can't save junkies. It isn't strong enough and doesn't have the narcotic effect it would take to ease off opioids. Opioid OD killing more people here in legal pot Oregon than auto accidents. People who are into hard drugs don't even look at marijuana. Like trying to feed a shark broccoli.


crazyjoe - 5/31/2018 at 01:43 PM

Well, from the reports I have seen, opiate deaths already have been reduced by marijuana use. I have heard reports that say opiate deaths are down between 10% and 25% in states where marijuana is legal and fully available. While certainly BrerRabbit is probably correct that a full blown junkie in the throws of opiate addiction is probably not going to be saved by smoking a joint, no question how completely foolish it is to say that the Good Weed is of no value in this opiate epidemic. I feel like marijuana could be an extremely valuable tool to reach hard drug addicts or those caught dabbling in opiates or those seeking help to get away from them. It seems to me and apparently a lot of extremely accomplished physicians, that marijuana can be and integral part of treatment, along with intense counseling, relaxatiion therapy etc. A couple problems I see are, how do You determine the opiate user who still has the spark of life in them and strong desire to get better and how do we fund the programs to help and save these many thousands of hard opiate users???.................Peace..............joe

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BrerRabbit - 5/31/2018 at 03:42 PM

I wasn't writing it off, I am pro legal for med and rec, but man drugs aren't the answer for addiction. It is a spiritual problem.

Opioid deaths are not down here in Oregon, they are climbing like crazy. It's truly alarming, possibly our worst scourge at this time. It is affecting every person in this state in some way.


crazyjoe - 5/31/2018 at 04:46 PM

Oh it's horrible allright BrerRabbit, to say the least!!!!! I would guess no place and no one is exempt, frightening indeed. I also would guess there far more than just a couple root causes behind the devastating rise we've seen..............Peace......joe


BrerRabbit - 5/31/2018 at 05:27 PM

I'm no expert, but the worst thing here seems to be recreational use of opioids, not folks hooked from prescription. So it's people using opioids as drug of choice. I could see cannabis therapy great for sane folks addicted from opioid treatment who want to wean off, but say kids partying on the stuff, herb won't help. They're junkies, and bumbaclot doctor can't fix them, they need to heed the RASTAMAN, then the ganja would have the necessary power to cure.

Even worse, heroin is back in force, in fashion again.

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robslob - 5/31/2018 at 10:38 PM

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Even worse, heroin is back in force, in fashion again.


Worse yet, they say it's nearly impossible now to find heroin which has not been cut with fentanyl which is 50 times stronger. That's one of the reasons for so many OD's.


BrerRabbit - 5/31/2018 at 11:41 PM

Yeah, heard about that Fentanyl, it's a deathwish.


OriginalGoober - 6/1/2018 at 12:11 AM


Canabis has helped several alcoholics I know manage their cravings. A small micro dose of weed is enough to keep the plug in the jug and not go off the rails when the cravings start up. I suspect the same is true for opiod addicts already past the detox stage and want to keep the cravings at bay.


lukester420 - 6/4/2018 at 12:18 AM

Hooray for the war on drugs! All it did was create the 80ís crack epidemic and the prescription pill crisis and now this. Unbelievable that some people still continue to decry marijuana


The_Newt - 6/4/2018 at 07:29 PM

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Marijuana can't save junkies. It isn't strong enough and doesn't have the narcotic effect it would take to ease off opioids. Opioid OD killing more people here in legal pot Oregon than auto accidents. People who are into hard drugs don't even look at marijuana. Like trying to feed a shark broccoli.


Exactly. Even with eating pure Indica types in very large doses, it's apparently not as strong as opiates, and it does not give the person their body the effects of opiates that they are addicted to both physically and psychologically.

Also, even with alcoholics trading one drug that's abused or that someone's addicted to, for another one is never a good idea.

If someone is actually serious about getting help for the drug(s) they are addicted to they will realize that they cannot use any drugs including cannabis/hash, kratom, kava, etc. and will work with a support network, and quit using all drugs.

Using cannabis or hash instead of alcohol or opiates is not sobriety, and it does greatly increase someone's chances of relapsing on the drug(s) they are addicted to.

Addiction is a progressive, chronic, slowly progressive, and fatal disease.

If you are suffering, please get help.


lukester420 - 6/4/2018 at 09:43 PM

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Marijuana can't save junkies. It isn't strong enough and doesn't have the narcotic effect it would take to ease off opioids. Opioid OD killing more people here in legal pot Oregon than auto accidents. People who are into hard drugs don't even look at marijuana. Like trying to feed a shark broccoli.


Exactly. Even with eating pure Indica types in very large doses, it's apparently not as strong as opiates, and it does not give the person their body the effects of opiates that they are addicted to both physically and psychologically.

Also, even with alcoholics trading one drug that's abused or that someone's addicted to, for another one is never a good idea.

If someone is actually serious about getting help for the drug(s) they are addicted to they will realize that they cannot use any drugs including cannabis/hash, kratom, kava, etc. and will work with a support network, and quit using all drugs.

Using cannabis or hash instead of alcohol or opiates is not sobriety, and it does greatly increase someone's chances of relapsing on the drug(s) they are addicted to.

Addiction is a progressive, chronic, slowly progressive, and fatal disease.

If you are suffering, please get help.

Those are very true statements in there. Marijuana would not be a cure all, junkies will always be junkies, crackheads will always be crackheads, drunks will always be drunks but you could argue that having the option of safely obtained high grade marijuana without the illegal stigma attached would prevent a handful of people from going that route.


OriginalGoober - 6/5/2018 at 12:39 AM


When I posted about using marijuana I expected the responses I see followed. I used to think that way myself, but I have seen the benefits enough to change my mind. If you re=read my post, I said micro-doses, meaning not representative of marijuana use as seen in college. Moreso like having a cup of coffee or a cigarette. Using weed to control some cravings is not to be seen as trying to fill or substitute the opiate-induced narcotic high or alcohol void. Weed can be used effectively, but the person must be committed to quitting opiates or alcohol.



BoytonBrother - 6/5/2018 at 01:30 AM

Dude, you are delusional. What responses are you referring to?


robslob - 6/8/2018 at 03:15 AM

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Marijuana can't save junkies. It isn't strong enough and doesn't have the narcotic effect it would take to ease off opioids.


I would have to disagree with you. Isn't strong enough? Try eating an entire marijuana brownie and then come back to this thread and tell me that it wasn't strong enough. You would probably end up in bed for three consecutive days.

No, I have never eaten an entire marijuana brownie. Because, fortunately, the first time I purchased edibles at a dispensary 5 or 6 years ago I was schooled by the "budtender" not to do that huge dose. When I use an edible I eat a 1/4 square of one brownie. I'm a huge guy, and trust me, that is PLENTY.

But if one wanted "the narcotic effect it would take to get off opioids", they would simply increase the dose. Don't ever tell me that you can't get a strong enough dose with a marijuana edible. I've got way too much experience with the drug to buy that one. Obviously, I am not talking about smoking here.


The_Newt - 6/8/2018 at 09:55 PM

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When I posted about using marijuana I expected the responses I see followed. I used to think that way myself, but I have seen the benefits enough to change my mind. If you re=read my post, I said micro-doses, meaning not representative of marijuana use as seen in college. Moreso like having a cup of coffee or a cigarette. Using weed to control some cravings is not to be seen as trying to fill or substitute the opiate-induced narcotic high or alcohol void. Weed can be used effectively, but the person must be committed to quitting opiates or alcohol.




Only people who are addicts don't wind up using cannabis or hash in low doses and moderation the way a lot of people who are Dutch and from the Netherlands do where they do not smoke entire bowls, joints, etc. and just take a small puff or two. Not all people who are Dutch even use cannabis or hash, the majority do not and are not into any drugs including hard or other soft drugs.

Also, with regular smoking, vaping, or eating tolerance sets in and the person needs more in order to get high or feel the effects. Most people who are addicts who attempt cannabis/hash maintenance just wind up staying stoned all day, and cannabis/hash becomes yet another addiction or drug to abuse that negatively affects their life, to the point where it just hinders them from getting help for their addictions and all the baggage that comes with it. It's a lot more effective, safer, and easier for the person who is addicted to just quit using all drugs including hash/cannabis and alcohol.

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Marijuana can't save junkies. It isn't strong enough and doesn't have the narcotic effect it would take to ease off opioids.


I would have to disagree with you. Isn't strong enough? Try eating an entire marijuana brownie and then come back to this thread and tell me that it wasn't strong enough. You would probably end up in bed for three consecutive days.

No, I have never eaten an entire marijuana brownie. Because, fortunately, the first time I purchased edibles at a dispensary 5 or 6 years ago I was schooled by the "budtender" not to do that huge dose. When I use an edible I eat a 1/4 square of one brownie. I'm a huge guy, and trust me, that is PLENTY.

But if one wanted "the narcotic effect it would take to get off opioids", they would simply increase the dose. Don't ever tell me that you can't get a strong enough dose with a marijuana edible. I've got way too much experience with the drug to buy that one. Obviously, I am not talking about smoking here.


It depends upon the person's tolerance. I have friends who eat cannabis/hash desserts all the time, as they no longer smoke cannabis/hash or anything anymore.

They eat the strongest ones they can find, or since the ones that claim to be strong or very high mg or percentages of THC that they buy in stores are weak to them they just make ultra-strong cannabis/hash desserts, or cannabis/hash food and decoctions instead. Someone's height and weight do not matter either. My friends are short and very thin, and yet eat very large doses of THC.

I have eaten herb before, multiple grams and a high dose of THC in prepared food. To me it was not really strong, or too strong; but it was more like eating a low dose of mushrooms but you do not see any visuals like you do with the shrooms. The effects did not last for days, and if you have never really tripped on moderate or large doses of mushrooms or acid/LSD, I can see how someone might not enjoy it, or think it was too strong?

Anyway, opiates and the high from them are nothing like cannabis/hash even when someone eats cannabis/hash in a large amount or with a high mg/percentage of THC.

[Edited on 6/8/2018 by The_Newt]


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