Thread: Veterans Boycotting the Super Bowl

gina - 2/4/2018 at 07:02 PM

I saw a protest group today with signs Stand for America, PLEASE STAND ,and men in uniform and one of the organizers on the bullhorn saying Boycott the Super Bowl, don't watch it, to hell with Roger Goddell and the NFL, watch the Puppy Bowl instead.."

Here's why.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/roger-goodell-defends-nfls-refusal-of-ve teran-groups-ad-in-super-bowl-program/

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Tuesday defended the NFL's decision to refuse to approve an advertisement from American Veterans (AMVETS) that would have run in the Super Bowl program. The ad asked for donations to the organization that aims to "enhance and safeguard the entitlements" for individuals who have served in the U.S. military but it also included this message in large letters: "Please Stand."

"Please Stand" refers to those NFL players who took a knee during the national anthem to protest social injustice. President Trump routinely criticized these players during the season, even telling Alabama rallygoers in September, "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now. Out. He's fired. He's fired!"

In a letter sent earlier this month to Goodell, AMVETS national commander Marion Polk noted, via the Washington Post, that while his group was "well aware of the controversy surrounding players kneeling during the national anthem and the public relations problems this has caused the NFL, our ad is neither a demand nor a judgment upon those who choose to kneel."

According to Polk, the ad was "a simple, polite request that represents the sentiment of our membership, particularly those whose missing or paralyzed limbs preclude standing."

In response to Polk's letter, NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told the Post that the Super Bowl program "is designed for fans to commemorate and celebrate the game, players, teams and the Super Bowl." And that the league "has long supported the military and veterans and will again salute our service members in the Super Bowl with memorable on-field moments that will be televised as part of the game."

Meanwhile, in announcing the return of the XFL last week, Vince McMahon declared that every player will stand for the national anthem.


Remarks: Is it unreasonable to ask the players to stand during the national anthem?


[Edited on 2/4/2018 by gina]


gina - 2/4/2018 at 11:20 PM

Trump would like the players to stand for the National Anthem.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372256-trump-to-americans-on-sup er-bowl-sunday-stand-for-the-national-anthem



Jerry - 2/4/2018 at 11:27 PM

I'm not boycotting it, I'm just not going to watch it.


PhotoRon286 - 2/5/2018 at 04:31 AM

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Trump would like the players to stand for the National Anthem.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372256-trump-to-americans-on-sup er-bowl-sunday-stand-for-the-national-anthem





Who cares what trump wants?

To hell with that clown.


pops42 - 2/5/2018 at 08:00 PM

Anyone, who boycotts NFL football because "trump" says they should, is a stone idiot.


BIGV - 2/5/2018 at 11:29 PM

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NFL boycott was always about race and nothing else.

If conservatives were so easily offended by so-called disrespect of veterans, given what he said about POW's on national TV during the campaign Trump would not be president.

Call it what it is. Racist.


Or, one might have the audacity to disagree and say it was about disrespectful behavior in regards to the Flag, especially if they witnessed their friends dying in defense of it.


jkeller - 2/5/2018 at 11:47 PM

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NFL boycott was always about race and nothing else.

If conservatives were so easily offended by so-called disrespect of veterans, given what he said about POW's on national TV during the campaign Trump would not be president.

Call it what it is. Racist.


Or, one might have the audacity to disagree and say it was about disrespectful behavior in regards to the Flag, especially if they witnessed their friends dying in defense of it.


What does the National Anthem have to do with the flag? Can you only play the NA if a flag is present? If a flag is present, do you have to play the NA?


2112 - 2/6/2018 at 02:25 AM

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NFL boycott was always about race and nothing else.

If conservatives were so easily offended by so-called disrespect of veterans, given what he said about POW's on national TV during the campaign Trump would not be president.

Call it what it is. Racist.


Or, one might have the audacity to disagree and say it was about disrespectful behavior in regards to the Flag, especially if they witnessed their friends dying in defense of it.


Did your friends die in defense of the flag? Or did they die in defense of the country and freedoms it represents, including freedom of speech?

[Edited on 2/6/2018 by 2112]


nebish - 2/6/2018 at 03:02 AM


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“The Super Bowl game program is designed for fans to commemorate and celebrate the game, players, teams and the Super Bowl,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told USA TODAY Sports by email. “It’s never been a place for advertising that could be considered by some as a political statement. The NFL has long supported the military and veterans and will again salute our service members in the Super Bowl with memorable on-field moments that will be televised as part of the game.”


I've considered past advertising during the Super Bowl to be political, and they let those ads run.

But not this one. Can't promote showing respect for the American Flag.

Ratings were lowest since 2009.

I really don't care about the issue. I never stopped watching NFL. People can act however they see fit, and they will be judged on their actions or inactions, as we all are.


BIGV - 2/6/2018 at 07:01 AM

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What does the National Anthem have to do with the flag?


Ask a Veteran who has been under fire.


BIGV - 2/6/2018 at 07:05 AM

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Did your friends die in defense of the flag? Or did they die in defense of the country and freedoms it represents, including freedom of speech?


Both and good question giving my friends the earned right to their opinions without being called racist.


gina - 2/6/2018 at 07:05 PM

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NFL boycott was always about race and nothing else.

If conservatives were so easily offended by so-called disrespect of veterans, given what he said about POW's on national TV during the campaign Trump would not be president.

Call it what it is. Racist.


Or, one might have the audacity to disagree and say it was about disrespectful behavior in regards to the Flag, especially if they witnessed their friends dying in defense of it.


What does the National Anthem have to do with the flag? Can you only play the NA if a flag is present? If a flag is present, do you have to play the NA?


The flag represents the country and the values it was founded upon. The national anthem is a rembrance to those who fought to defend the flag and the new fledgling nation against the tyranny it stood up against when it became a nation. It is also homage to those who died defending the idea that people here in this land had a right to certain freedoms and protections. Those who refuse to stand up for freedom and the country are no better than the illegals who sneak in and just want to take whatever they can get. The people who have no intention or desire to become legal because they are just here to take the money and run back to some other land and live a higher standard of living there.

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a
state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
--Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

"No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders." - Samuel Adams



[Edited on 2/6/2018 by gina]


nebish - 2/8/2018 at 02:49 AM

I'd just like to add that some people have deep resentment towards flag burning as well.

While so many people like to boil everything down to race, I don't think it is that cut and dry. I would bet that many of the same people who hate seeing the American flag burned are also largely the same people who hate seeing people take a knee during our national anthem. Symbolism and patriotic respect still means something to some people and those feelings don't make them racists.


nebish - 2/8/2018 at 02:53 AM

I remember when I was in middle school I wanted to make a jacket or sorts out of an American flag and my Dad said absolutely not.


Sang - 2/8/2018 at 04:25 AM

From gina:

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The flag represents the country and the values it was founded upon. The national anthem is a rembrance to those who fought to defend the flag and the new fledgling nation against the tyranny it stood up against when it became a nation. It is also homage to those who died defending the idea that people here in this land had a right to certain freedoms and protections.



So what values? Slavery? Freedoms and protections? So you think it is ok that blacks are killed by cops for little to no reason? That is what they are protesting - those values and freedoms and protections are also supposed to apply to them..... but it sure doesn't feel like it to them.......


BIGV - 2/8/2018 at 04:57 AM

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Did your friends die in defense of the flag? Or did they die in defense of the country and freedoms it represents, including freedom of speech?


Both and good question giving my friends the earned right to their opinions without being called racist.


This right here is the issue at hand, conservatives mistakenly, sadly believe that some Americans have more rights than others.

And it completely escapes them that even those ungrateful black SOB's also have friends and family who served and died for this country.

Oh yes, it's rooted in racism. No doubt in my mind.


Disagree with the left, express a dissenting opinion and you are ignorant, a racist or a bigot. This is exactly why President Trump is in the White House, people just got sick of the agenda. Preach tolerance, but don't practice it.






MartinD28 - 2/8/2018 at 01:13 PM

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Did your friends die in defense of the flag? Or did they die in defense of the country and freedoms it represents, including freedom of speech?


Both and good question giving my friends the earned right to their opinions without being called racist.


This right here is the issue at hand, conservatives mistakenly, sadly believe that some Americans have more rights than others.

And it completely escapes them that even those ungrateful black SOB's also have friends and family who served and died for this country.

Oh yes, it's rooted in racism. No doubt in my mind.


Disagree with the left, express a dissenting opinion and you are ignorant, a racist or a bigot. This is exactly why President Trump is in the White House, people just got sick of the agenda. Preach tolerance, but don't practice it.





So is the same dissenting opinion you reference afforded to the football players who choose to take a knee. If not, then is a dissenting opinion only a one way street?

One could easily flip your own words and reach an equivalency. For example - "Disagree with the right, express a dissenting opinion and you are ignorant, intolerant, or not patriotic".

It is not a singular theory why Trump got elected.


Bhawk - 2/8/2018 at 05:52 PM

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Those who refuse to stand up for freedom and the country are no better than the illegals who sneak in and just want to take whatever they can get.


Worst statement you've ever made, and that's saying something.


PhotoRon286 - 2/8/2018 at 05:58 PM

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Those who refuse to stand up for freedom and the country are no better than the illegals who sneak in and just want to take whatever they can get.


Worst statement you've ever made, and that's saying something.


She's a bad joke that's been around way too long.


BrerRabbit - 2/8/2018 at 07:08 PM

Why do racists and fascists get so upset and sensitive and all defensive when they are called on it?

Doesn't bother me at all when folks accuse me of what I am.


Muleman1994 - 2/8/2018 at 09:19 PM

The huge drop in TV ratings should get the NFL to embrace patriotism.
Remember, its all about the money.


MartinD28 - 2/8/2018 at 11:31 PM

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Why do racists and fascists get so upset and sensitive and all defensive when they are called on it?

Doesn't bother me at all when folks accuse me of what I am.


They are defensive because "racist" is a designation of evil, and these people want to consider themselves good souls so they can sleep at night and eventually get into heaven.
[Edited on 2/8/2018 by LeafontheWind]


Trump let us know that "there are very fine people on both sides" after Charlottesville. So...if he says it, and since his our omnipotent leader has the support of racists, then it must be true.


gina - 2/8/2018 at 11:40 PM

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From gina:

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The flag represents the country and the values it was founded upon. The national anthem is a rembrance to those who fought to defend the flag and the new fledgling nation against the tyranny it stood up against when it became a nation. It is also homage to those who died defending the idea that people here in this land had a right to certain freedoms and protections.



So what values? Slavery? Freedoms and protections? So you think it is ok that blacks are killed by cops for little to no reason? That is what they are protesting - those values and freedoms and protections are also supposed to apply to them..... but it sure doesn't feel like it to them.......


One thing you have to understand, when our country was founded, slavery was still going on. The flag itself does not mean people are still embracing slavery. The flag at its founding had nothing to do with slavery. It had to do with tyranny and interference from the British govt. in people's lives and unfair taxation. Those are the things this country was founded because of. People wanted freedom, rights.

It is not okay that any people are killed for little or no reason whatever their color, race, creed. Boycotting the national anthem is just wrong. If people want to address racism by police it is a separate issue. These are regional issues because it does not exist all over the country in every place.


jkeller - 2/9/2018 at 12:13 AM

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From gina:

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The flag represents the country and the values it was founded upon. The national anthem is a rembrance to those who fought to defend the flag and the new fledgling nation against the tyranny it stood up against when it became a nation. It is also homage to those who died defending the idea that people here in this land had a right to certain freedoms and protections.



So what values? Slavery? Freedoms and protections? So you think it is ok that blacks are killed by cops for little to no reason? That is what they are protesting - those values and freedoms and protections are also supposed to apply to them..... but it sure doesn't feel like it to them.......


One thing you have to understand, when our country was founded, slavery was still going on. The flag itself does not mean people are still embracing slavery. The flag at its founding had nothing to do with slavery. It had to do with tyranny and interference from the British govt. in people's lives and unfair taxation. Those are the things this country was founded because of. People wanted freedom, rights.

It is not okay that any people are killed for little or no reason whatever their color, race, creed. Boycotting the national anthem is just wrong. If people want to address racism by police it is a separate issue. These are regional issues because it does not exist all over the country in every place.



Nobody is boycotting the National Anthem.


PhotoRon286 - 2/9/2018 at 12:27 AM

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The huge drop in TV ratings should get the NFL to embrace patriotism.
Remember, its all about the money.




The defense department started the whole patriotism display with taxpayer money

The ratings were not a "huge drop" no matter how your feeble clownservative mind wants to think it was.


Nice try.


BIGV - 2/9/2018 at 01:37 AM

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Just another sad, white christian conservative evil bigot hiding behind this "America First" / MAGA disguise.


Just curious, what percentage of the U.S. population do you believe this pathetic little man represents?


Bhawk - 2/9/2018 at 02:01 AM

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Just another sad, white christian conservative evil bigot hiding behind this "America First" / MAGA disguise.


Just curious, what percentage of the U.S. population do you believe this pathetic little man represents?


Well, in 2016 there were 249,485,228 people over the age of 18 in the U.S. 62,984,825 people voted for him, so...25.245%?


BIGV - 2/9/2018 at 02:08 AM

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Just another sad, white christian conservative evil bigot hiding behind this "America First" / MAGA disguise.


Just curious, what percentage of the U.S. population do you believe this pathetic little man represents?


Well, in 2016 there were 249,485,228 people over the age of 18 in the U.S. 62,984,825 people voted for him, so...25.245%?


So, this is what all Trump voters espouse?


Bhawk - 2/9/2018 at 02:31 AM

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Just another sad, white christian conservative evil bigot hiding behind this "America First" / MAGA disguise.


Just curious, what percentage of the U.S. population do you believe this pathetic little man represents?


Well, in 2016 there were 249,485,228 people over the age of 18 in the U.S. 62,984,825 people voted for him, so...25.245%?


So, this is what all Trump voters espouse?


That I don't know. But, I would say that a phrase like "all Trump voters" is just as ambiguous as "the Left."


Jerry - 2/9/2018 at 03:08 AM

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Just another sad, white christian conservative evil bigot hiding behind this "America First" / MAGA disguise.


Just curious, what percentage of the U.S. population do you believe this pathetic little man represents?


Well, in 2016 there were 249,485,228 people over the age of 18 in the U.S. 62,984,825 people voted for him, so...25.245%?


So, this is what all Trump voters espouse?

Nope, large percentage though. Vast majority.

Why do you sound like you're just now finding out the character of this whole alt-right thing that put Trump into power? It's been on full display for like 3 years now.


OK, I'll bite. What's the percentage? Please post references.


BoytonBrother - 2/9/2018 at 03:41 PM

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Disagree with the left, express a dissenting opinion and you are ignorant, a racist or a bigot. This is exactly why President Trump is in the White House, people just got sick of the agenda. Preach tolerance, but don't practice it.


And when the players express a dissenting opinion from BIGV’s, he labels them disrespectful to the flag. Doesn’t that make you a liberal BIGV? Just another thread where BIGV is mistakingly accused of racism. Why does this keep happening to you? So misunderstood!


BIGV - 2/9/2018 at 04:47 PM

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And when the players express a dissenting opinion from BIGV’s, he labels them disrespectful to the flag.


I am just so mean.


BoytonBrother - 2/9/2018 at 05:02 PM

And liberal, apparently, by your own definition.


BoytonBrother - 2/9/2018 at 07:02 PM

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Disagree with the left, express a dissenting opinion and you are ignorant, a racist or a bigot. This is exactly why President Trump is in the White House


So you’re saying Trump is payback?


BIGV - 2/9/2018 at 07:26 PM

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Disagree with the left, express a dissenting opinion and you are ignorant, a racist or a bigot. This is exactly why President Trump is in the White House


So you’re saying Trump is payback?


If the shoe fits. What I am saying is that prior to the Election, there was no dialogue, zero political discussion. People who despised Trump said so openly, sometimes moments into opposing opinion. Those participating in the process did not care to be shouted down for their beliefs and retreated into the voting booth w/o having told anyone for whom they were casting their vote. The Polls showed Hillary in a landslide. The negativity placed him there. The Hate and anger put him there. Read through this thread and see who is using the "Racist" card.


BoytonBrother - 2/9/2018 at 07:55 PM

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If the shoe fits. What I am saying is that prior to the Election, there was no dialogue, zero political discussion. People who despised Trump said so openly, sometimes moments into opposing opinion.


The horror!

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Those participating in the process did not care to be shouted down for their beliefs and retreated into the voting booth w/o having told anyone for whom they were casting their vote.


So in order to counter and combat the mean, intolerant, juvenile liberals, the right decided to.........resort to the same thing?

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The Polls showed Hillary in a landslide. The negativity placed him there. The Hate and anger put him there. Read through this thread and see who is using the "Racist” card


Gee, I can’t imagine why anyone would think Trump is racist. So unfairly treated!


BrerRabbit - 2/9/2018 at 08:13 PM

Why is it always "the racist card" to mention racism?


BIGV - 2/9/2018 at 09:40 PM

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Why is it always "the racist card" to mention racism?


How else is it brought into a conversation?


BoytonBrother - 2/9/2018 at 11:16 PM

Some conservatives felt tormented and attacked by Obama being President, for whatever reason, and like BIGV said, decided to get payback by electing someone that would torment them back. I happen to agree with this assessment of what happened. It's not about Hillary since there were 18 other Republican candidates to choose from. They didn't want someone to enact conservative policies that they believe would help the country. They wanted someone who would torment the left instead. I think race played only a minor role in this whole scenario.

I truly don't believe liberals elected Obama to torment anyone. They just love the guy. Even Luke acknowledges this when he comes on here to make fun of the "Obama love affair". But more than one conservative on here - BIGV and KCJimmy, both acknowledged that Trump's presidency is an act of revenge. So, I think it's more of a sensitivity and fear issue rather than race. While the left was just electing someone they loved, the right felt attacked and threatened. The right was in a fight with the left, and the left didn't even know it.


BIGV - 2/9/2018 at 11:38 PM

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and like BIGV said, decided to get payback by electing someone that would torment them back. /-/ ...BIGV and KCJimmy, both acknowledged that Trump's presidency is an act of revenge.


My exact words were "If the shoe fits".

Point of Clarification, I am a Centrist Libertarian who does not match-up on every issue.....

But speak out against the left and you are a Conservative who supported Trump.


BoytonBrother - 2/9/2018 at 11:56 PM

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Point of Clarification, I am a Centrist Libertarian who does not match-up on every issue.....


And only bashes the left, and says nothing negative about Trump supporters, not once. Freud might have something to say about that.


BIGV - 2/10/2018 at 12:53 AM

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You certainly argue like a Trump supporter.


I can't seem to put into words just how Anti-Liberal most of my belief systems are.

I believe in less Taxes & less Gubmint. I am Pro-Choice and love the dedication of the U.S. Military. I respect the Flag and believe in borders.

Classify me in anyway you wish.


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2018 at 07:59 AM

Less gubmint was always historically a
classic leftwing liberal stance. I don't know how or when it became a conservative thing. The word "liberal" means exactly what it says.

Whole world's upside down these days.


BIGV - 2/10/2018 at 01:39 PM

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I don't know how or when it became a conservative thing.


It is definitely a Libertarian "thing".


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2018 at 06:44 PM

Makes sense - "liberal" and "libertarian" are practically the same word.


Bhawk - 2/11/2018 at 06:51 PM

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I am Pro-Choice and love the dedication of the U.S. Military. I respect the Flag and believe in borders.


At face value I agree with all of this. But, since I'm a member of "the Left," I actually don't.

Oh well!


Bhawk - 2/11/2018 at 06:53 PM

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People who despised Trump said so openly, sometimes moments into opposing opinion. Those participating in the process did not care to be shouted down for their beliefs and retreated into the voting booth w/o having told anyone for whom they were casting their vote.


No one on "the Right" would not and never does anything like this at all, ever. No one on "the Right" has spent any energy at all for almost 30 years openly hating the Clintons.

C'mon.


nebish - 2/14/2018 at 04:24 PM

So the people upset about Shaun White dragging the flag or stepping on the American flag following his gold metal run yesterday are racist...against red heads maybe, or...something? I mean it has to be right, what other possible explanation could exist for anyone to care, it's just some stupid symbol, just a piece of cloth that doesn't mean or represent anything, it has to be about race. Clearly.


BIGV - 2/14/2018 at 04:36 PM

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Maybe if you weren't so vague, beat-around-the-bush about your personal beliefs people wouldn't be so confused about where you stand.


What a dilemma, how do you get through the day ?...I mean being confused about a post on this site?...Must really slow you down.


Jerry - 2/15/2018 at 02:59 AM

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Just another sad, white christian conservative evil bigot hiding behind this "America First" / MAGA disguise.


Just curious, what percentage of the U.S. population do you believe this pathetic little man represents?


Well, in 2016 there were 249,485,228 people over the age of 18 in the U.S. 62,984,825 people voted for him, so...25.245%?


So, this is what all Trump voters espouse?

Nope, large percentage though. Vast majority.

Why do you sound like you're just now finding out the character of this whole alt-right thing that put Trump into power? It's been on full display for like 3 years now.


OK, I'll bite. What's the percentage? Please post references.

There is no accurate data available because, as mentioned above, people are generally not honest, forthcoming, or even self-aware about their racist and bigoted attitudes.

My estimate is based on my observation that Trump voters tend to be cut from the same cloth, speak the same and take up all the same issues, and get their information from the same sources and support a president who makes racially charged/bigoted statements on the regular. You don't see much diversity in the Trump crowd, I think my estimate is accurate.



[Edited on 2/9/2018 by LeafontheWind]


Then you basically made up the "large percentage" part of your post? If there are no figures, how did you come up with that response?

I voted for Trump. Not because I necessarily liked him, but I just couldn't in good conscious vote for Clinton.
My main mantra this election cycle was that I am an ABC voter (Anybody But Clinton). I know many blacks in the mid Ga area that said they would not vote for Clinton, but I couoldn't give you a statistic on any percentage since there are a lot more blacks in the area than the ones I know and talk with.

So there is a diversity in the Trump voter pool and if you ask around you will find that maybe some of the people you know were not as inbred into the democratic party and thought that maybe if we elect somebody so different from the usual politicians this time that we might get some better candidates next time around.

Go out and talk with people instead of daily trying to find fault with those who voted for Trump. Find someone who voted for him and ask (pleasantly of course) of why they voted for him. You might get some answers that you actually like.


Jerry - 2/15/2018 at 08:34 PM

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Go out and talk with people instead of daily trying to find fault with those who voted for Trump. Find someone who voted for him and ask (pleasantly of course) of why they voted for him. You might get some answers that you actually like.



(Quote)Look, you can say whatever you want about why you voted for him, but at the end of the day Trump stood at a podium an read an official declaration of intent to ban an entire religion from entering the county. And then you voted for him. There's nothing else I need to know about you and your "good conscious" (sic).(Quote)

Why do you insist on repeating a lie when I know that even you know it's a lie. He did not ban an entire religion from entering the country and you know it. So why do you go on with the lie?
If he had banned an entire religion from entering the country there would be no one from Malaysia, France, Turkey, Philippines, or any other country that were Muslin allowed in the country. The "travel ban" didn't affect
any one of a Muslin religion from any of those countries.
It did affect everyone in the countries of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen no matter what religion they were. So tell me again how that would ban an entire religion from entering the country.

(Quote)You could have not voted. You could have written in another Republican's name. You could have voted for HRC -- oh wait she's the anti-christ, nevermind.(Quote)

Remember, YOU called her the anti-christ, not me. No I will never vote for HRC and writing in a vote for a different candidate would not do what I wanted, keep your so called anti-christ out of the White House.

(Quote)Speaking of HRC, I voted for her. What singular platform issue of hers stands tall against Trump's Muslim Ban in terms of flat-out disgusting disregard for American / human values? I would love to know what the red line issue was for you where the banishment of an entire religion from entering the country becomes the lesser of two evils?(Quote)



There you go putting in that lie again.

PS: I feel sorry for you that you could only choose HRC and could not cast a vote showing that you want real change in the cesspool we call government, even if it takes another election cycle to do so.




Jerry - 2/16/2018 at 01:34 AM

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So why do you go on with the lie?


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There you go putting in that lie again.


I think you misunderstood, are misinformed, or simply got your timelines confused. You voted for a total ban on Muslims entering the country. Every. Single. Muslim.

I'll just leave this right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

This is the one time it's OK to post a YouTube video as fact.

You can call me a liar if you want, but that's what was said and there's the proof. He's reading off an official press release. It doesn't get any more formal than that. Then you voted for it.

I am well aware of the actual, lesser travel restrictions that were implemented many months later. Long after you voted for Trump and a "TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES".

I didn't and don't find the government to be a cesspool, that's a conservative attitude reinforced on a continual basis by conservative media.

[Edited on 2/15/2018 by LeafontheWind]


It's been a cesspool since after Kennedy. It's just that you are so used to it you don't know the difference.

You must not have listened to what Trump said because you must have missed "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

That means that you basically misunderstood, and were misinformed.

[Edited on 2/16/2018 by Jerry]


Jerry - 2/16/2018 at 02:00 AM

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So why do you go on with the lie?


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There you go putting in that lie again.


I think you misunderstood, are misinformed, or simply got your timelines confused. You voted for a total ban on Muslims entering the country. Every. Single. Muslim.

I'll just leave this right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

This is the one time it's OK to post a YouTube video as fact.

You can call me a liar if you want, but that's what was said and there's the proof. He's reading off an official press release. It doesn't get any more formal than that. Then you voted for it.

I am well aware of the actual, lesser travel restrictions that were implemented many months later. Long after you voted for Trump and a "TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES".

I didn't and don't find the government to be a cesspool, that's a conservative attitude reinforced on a continual basis by conservative media.

[Edited on 2/15/2018 by LeafontheWind]


It's been a cesspool since after Kennedy. It's just that you are so used to it you don't know the difference.

You must not have listened to what Trump said because you must have missed "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

That means that you basically misunderstood, and were misinformed.

[Edited on 2/16/2018 by Jerry]

So banning an entire religion from entering the US is OK, so long as an arbitrary time qualifier is attached?

Have they figured it out yet Jerry? Because it's been a over a year now.

I still think most Trump voters are bigots. So far this conversation is reinforcing my opinion, not changing it.


Sorry that you don't understand words, but you do know that when he tried to implement his travel ban it was for a period of 90 days and only for the previously mentioned countries, not a ban on Muslims entering the country.
Since you seem to have all the knowledge of the "ban", would you like to expand our knowledge on what was to happen during those 90 days?


Jerry - 2/16/2018 at 02:17 AM

hey Leaf. I see in the board index that you posted at 9:07 PM tonight, but the last post shown is mine at 9:00pm.
Have you posted in the last 10 minutes?


Jerry - 2/16/2018 at 03:04 AM

quote:
quote:
So why do you go on with the lie?


quote:
There you go putting in that lie again.


I think you misunderstood, are misinformed, or simply got your timelines confused. You voted for a total ban on Muslims entering the country. Every. Single. Muslim.

I'll just leave this right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

This is the one time it's OK to post a YouTube video as fact.

You can call me a liar if you want, but that's what was said and there's the proof. He's reading off an official press release. It doesn't get any more formal than that. Then you voted for it.

I am well aware of the actual, lesser travel restrictions that were implemented many months later. Long after you voted for Trump and a "TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES".

I didn't and don't find the government to be a cesspool, that's a conservative attitude reinforced on a continual basis by conservative media.

[Edited on 2/15/2018 by LeafontheWind]


It's been a cesspool since after Kennedy. It's just that you are so used to it you don't know the difference.

You must not have listened to what Trump said because you must have missed "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

That means that you basically misunderstood, and were misinformed.

[Edited on 2/16/2018 by Jerry]

So banning an entire religion from entering the US is OK, so long as an arbitrary time qualifier is attached?

Have they figured it out yet Jerry? Because it's been a over a year now.

I still think most Trump voters are bigots. So far this conversation is reinforcing my opinion, not changing it.


Sorry that you don't understand words, but you do know that when he tried to implement his travel ban it was for a period of 90 days and only for the previously mentioned countries, not a ban on Muslims entering the country.
Since you seem to have all the knowledge of the "ban", would you like to expand our knowledge on what was to happen during those 90 days?

You voted for Trump based on an executive order that was drafted months later?

How is this possible? How did you know in November 2016 that it was to be only 90 days, and only for a small group of countries?

Here's the timeline:

December 7, 2015: Candidate Donald Trump calls for ban on all Muslims entering the United States for an unspecified/arbitrary period of time

November 8, 2016: With no moral/ethical objections to aforementioned Muslim ban, Conservatives flock by the millions to polls to cast their vote for Donald Trump

January 7, 2017: President Donald Trump signs EO 13769 banning travel into USA thru March 16, 2017 from a select list of (Muslim majority) countries


1) No, I can't predict the future so i didn't know about the length of delay.
2) That was not a reason I voted for Trump.
3) Glad you finally recognized that it was Muslim majority countries listed and not just Muslims.
4) You haven't explained what the 90 day "ban" was for.


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