Thread: The 2016 NFL Season | Kickers & Long Snappers Report

porkchopbob - 7/28/2016 at 02:10 PM

Hard to believe the 2017 NFL season is just a month away! Already a lot of noise being made by some teams. The Cowboys are going to get fined for, well, being the Cowboys and signing pretty much any a-hole who can help get them 8 wins (and no more!). Ryan Fitzpatrick is somehow a holdout for the Jets. Nick Foles is free to pick where he wants to be a backup QB. Arian Foster is not a Texan anymore, but it doesn't matter because he is probably done anyways and no one really knows who he signed with. Deflategate is over. Finally. Which means, as punishment, Tom Brady will serve 4 weeks as QB for the Oakland Raiders. Jacksonville apparently still has a pro team. And of course, the Bears still suck.

Ok, so none of that is news really, but I'm starting to get excited for the season. The Packers have a solid draft class and should have Jordy Nelson back, provided he survives preseason - all 5 preseason games for the Packers - totally nuts and unnecessary. Obviously starters won't play all 5 (or more than 2 or 3), but I think the teams that play the Hall of Fame Game should get comped a preseason game.

Early pick, but I'm going to say the Packers go 19-0 and win their 14th NFL championship. Patriots win the AFC, but don't even board the plane to the Super Bowl because the Packers are too scary to face on the field.


[Edited on 7/29/2016 by porkchopbob]


Brendan - 7/28/2016 at 03:57 PM

Correction! Fitzy finally signed with the Jets for 1 year. $12MM. It's like the Seinfeld where George negotiated with NBC for less money. Way to go Ryan!


porkchopbob - 7/28/2016 at 04:16 PM

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Correction! Fitzy finally signed with the Jets for 1 year. $12MM. It's like the Seinfeld where George negotiated with NBC for less money. Way to go Ryan!


Just saw that, too. A decent QB is nice to have, but I mean, how much did he really think he was going to get from the Jets?


porkchopbob - 7/29/2016 at 03:44 PM

And hey, the Rams are BACK IN LA!

As much as it sucks to have your team taken from you due to politics and greedy owners, it never made any sense for the Rams to be in the Midwest. Even though they had the most on-field success since the merger, St Louis was never the Rams' home. They were the first NFL team to cross the Mississippi when they left Cleveland in the 1946, beating MLB to the west coast by over a decade. They belong in the sun, not in the depressing Edward Jones Stadium, which, like Ford Field and Tropicana Field, looks like its in a parking garage basement.

They released Nick Foles, which was probably smart - he was benched half way through last season and Fisher is ready to start grooming rookie Jeff Goff as the future starter. They have been feisty thorn in the side in a stacked NFC West in recent years, maybe they will finally get back over the hump in LA with San Fran on the down slide.


LeglizHemp - 7/29/2016 at 03:49 PM

http://fantasy.nfl.com/?leagueId=402824

anyone want to try this?


porkchopbob - 7/29/2016 at 04:11 PM

quote:
http://fantasy.nfl.com/?leagueId=402824

anyone want to try this?


I'm a Packers fan. I don't need to fantasize about football


DanB - 7/29/2016 at 04:22 PM

quote:
http://fantasy.nfl.com/?leagueId=402824

anyone want to try this?


yes


LeglizHemp - 7/29/2016 at 04:52 PM

quote:
quote:
http://fantasy.nfl.com/?leagueId=402824

anyone want to try this?


yes


i'll look into setting up a league this weekend. if i set up the draft it will be late in the preseason....after injuries. i'll need input on best day to do it too. i'm guessing on a sunday?


Lee - 7/29/2016 at 07:51 PM

quote:
quote:
http://fantasy.nfl.com/?leagueId=402824

anyone want to try this?


I'm a Packers fan. I don't need to fantasize about football



Right, you have your own fantasies....


LeglizHemp - 7/31/2016 at 06:34 PM

Join Here: http://fantasy.nfl.com/registration/privateleaguejoin?leagueId=4052625
League ID: 4052625
League Password: abb

ok i have a league set up for 10 players, i can lower it if we don't get enough.

i set up the draft for sunday 8/28 at 7pm, that can also be changed.

give me some feedback or ask some questions. i've only done this as a player and have never set up a league before.


[Edited on 7/31/2016 by LeglizHemp]

[Edited on 7/31/2016 by LeglizHemp]


nebish - 8/1/2016 at 03:17 PM

I'm not really a fantasy player, but will definitely go in on our pick'em leagues from before when they get set up. I think you or Sang sets those up? I'll do a college one later as well.

Yesterday marked the last weekend without football! Bring it on, 6 months of football starts next Sunday.

My wife and some family are going to the HOF induction Saturday (we live near Canton). She's a huge Favre fan plus Eddie DeBartolo (Youngstown guy) is finally getting in. She's wearing a Favre jersey and an Eddie hat. I'm not too into that kind of stuff.


gondicar - 8/3/2016 at 11:56 AM

Thomas Edward Brady, Jr. aka The GOAT turns 39 today. That is all.


gondicar - 8/4/2016 at 11:53 AM


gondicar - 8/9/2016 at 11:31 AM

Happy Belated!



[Edited on 8/9/2016 by gondicar]


nebish - 8/14/2016 at 08:25 PM

How is the sign up for the fantasy teams going? If you are short a player or two I might play that.

My wife and I just got back from a trip to Lambeau for preseason game #1. What a great place. Has a very college town feel and in this era of tearing down the historic stadiums of the past, no place can come close to representing the history of the game better than Lambeau....very cool.


jkeller - 8/14/2016 at 10:22 PM

quote:



Yeah, Brady would make a great politician. You know, since he is dishonest and a cheater.


LeglizHemp - 8/15/2016 at 12:58 PM

quote:
Join Here: http://fantasy.nfl.com/registration/privateleaguejoin?leagueId=4052625
League ID: 4052625
League Password: abb

ok i have a league set up for 10 players, i can lower it if we don't get enough.

i set up the draft for sunday 8/28 at 7pm, that can also be changed.

give me some feedback or ask some questions. i've only done this as a player and have never set up a league before.


we have 3 people signed up so far. if we can get at least 3 more players that would be enough. last year was my 1st year doing this and i enjoyed it. it really isn't alot of work.


gondicar - 8/15/2016 at 04:46 PM

So why won't the NFL make the PSI tests public? I can think of at least one reason.


[Mike Florio of] PFT Does Deep Dive On Results Of NFL’s PSI ‘Spot Checks,’ Which Remain Cloaked In Secrecy
August 15, 2016 11:13 AM

BOSTON (CBS) — To most people in this lovely country, science is science. Facts are facts.

Unless you’re the NFL.

To the NFL, science is not real if you can just keep data hidden. And that appears to be the case with those “random” PSI tests held during the season last year.

Of course, in New England, glaring inconsistencies in the league’s stated plans for the PSI tests are nothing new. But Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio recently laid out some new information to a national audience.

Citing The Boston Globe’s Ben Volin, Florio noted that if each officiating crew in 2015 only recorded PSI at halftime once per year, then 17 total PSI tests were held throughout the season.

Referee Ronald Torbert told Volin that his crew had one game in which they carefully measured and recorded PSI readings before the game, at halftime, and after the game. Torbert then submitted that information to the NFL.

The problem is, NFL head of officiating Dean Blandino (who’s been caught in a fib or two throughout this mess) has said that his officials don’t handle that type of information.

“So on the officiating side, we weren’t involved in the PSI and that part of it,” Blandino told PFT in July. “We really were focusing on the chain of custody and the protocol and who had access to the footballs and how they were getting from point A to point B before the game. … NFL Security would log that [PSI] information and that’s how the procedure took place.”

Someone — either Torbert or Blandino — is lying.

Which one do you think that might be?

There’s the guy who’s just dutifully doing the job asked of him, and then there’s the guy who often finds himself having to explain that which cannot be explained without making the league look inconsistent and deceitful.

I’m probably going to go with the latter.

Florio reached a pretty straightforward conclusion: “The absence of transparency in contrast to a controversy in which, via the Ted Wells report and the Tom Brady suspension, appeal, and litigation, all facts were made available ad nauseum serves only to feed suspicion that the NFL doesn’t want anyone to know the numbers harvested by the random process — and that the NFL doesn’t want anyone to know the numbers because the NFL knows it will become even harder to justify a finding of cheating in connection with the January 2015 AFC Championship if people have the ability to analyze the PSI numbers generated during the 2015 season.”

Volin made a similar statement: “So it really should be quite simple for the NFL to find all of the PSI data last year, tally it up, and reveal it to the public. That the league has chosen to protect the data strongly suggests that Roger Goodell and league executives realize how much they overreacted to Deflategate.”

It’s all common sense to anybody paying close attention, or to anybody who believes basic science is not negotiable. Somehow, the fact that the NFL was “very concerned” about footballs losing air pressure in the frigid conditions of Minneapolis last January, combined with Troy Vincent’s admission that nobody at the league ever took chemistry or physics in high school — that was not enough for people to realize just how badly the league fumbled the entire situation from the very start.

Alas, if there’s one area where the NFL showed great foresight, it’s the league’s belief that 95 percent of the general public would not play close enough attention for any of this to really matter. The PSI results are going to remain classified information (if they haven’t been shredded already), and nobody’s going to care too much.

And the Hall of Fame quarterback is still going to be forced to sit out a month.

What a story.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/08/15/pft-does-deep-dive-on-results-of-nfls -psi-spot-checks-which-remain-cloaked-in-secrecy/


LeglizHemp - 8/16/2016 at 01:05 AM

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Join Here: http://fantasy.nfl.com/registration/privateleaguejoin?leagueId=4052625
League ID: 4052625
League Password: abb


just a little about the game.....you can join and it will autoselect your picks if you don't wanna do a draft

the draft is Saturday, Sep 3, 2016 at 8:00pm EDT.

you can never make a change all season....cept your player/s won't get points in a bye week

seriously its as fun as pick em which i will kick butt at this year also.....plan to do better with the spread though

oh and Dan is playing.......so at least you can beat Dan

[Edited on 8/16/2016 by LeglizHemp]


gondicar - 8/16/2016 at 12:19 PM

The real shame of the deflategate debacle is that Goodell has essentially been confirmed as emperor of the NFL. Green Bay and Pittsburgh fans, get ready to find out what a good Roger Goodell screwing feels like.

Of course it should also be noted that the NFL not only didn't pursue Peyton Manning over this same story/issue, but they CLEARED him. So they exonerated Manning but are still pursuing these players as if they did something wrong. The NFL is one messed up league.

NFL will suspend Al Jazeera 4 if they don’t give interviews
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/15/nfl-will-suspend-al-jazeera -4-if-they-dont-give-interviews/

Although the NFL’s investigation into allegations that four players used performance-enhancing drugs has cooled down, it may soon heat up again.

The four players — Packers linebackers Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers, Steelers linebacker James Harrison and free agent defensive end Mike Neal — will be suspended if they don’t give interviews to league investigators by August 25, the NFL informed the NFL Players Association. The league told the union of its stance in a letter that was obtained by PFT and multiple other media outlets.

The letter indicates that the players would be suspended indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the league, rather than simply suspended four games for a first violation of the league’s PED policy.

“The suspension for each such player will begin on Friday, August 26 and will continue until he has fully participated in an interview with league investigators, after which the Commissioner will determine whether and when the suspension should be lifted,” the letter states.

[Edited on 8/16/2016 by gondicar]


gondicar - 8/16/2016 at 12:21 PM

This from Mike Florio, who happens to also be a lawyer and as such has a qualified opinion...

NFL prepares to use Brady precedent to force cooperation with PED investigation
Posted by Mike Florio on August 15, 2016, 7:36 PM EDT

The obvious headline from the letter sent Monday by the NFL to the NFL Players Association regarding the Al Jazeera investigation is that the league has threatened to suspend Packers linebacker Clay Matthews, Packers linebacker Julius Peppers, Steelers linebacker James Harrison, and free-agent defensive lineman Mike Neal if they don’t submit to interviews by August 25. The deeper message comes from the NFL’s use of the precedent created by the Tom Brady suspension, appeal, and litigation to threaten the players with suspension for failure to cooperate with a league investigation.

“There is no dispute that players are obligated to cooperate with the league’s investigation, as you have repeatedly acknowledged,” the letter states. “This obligation includes not only the responsibility to submit to an interview but also the duty to provide meaningful responses to the questions posed. Nor is there a dispute that a failure to cooperate or an attempt to obstruct the investigation may result in discipline, including suspension from play, for conduct detrimental under Article 46 of the CBA and the NFL Player Contract.”

Never mind the fact that the PED policy says nothing about an obligation to cooperate in an investigation regarding a potential violation of the PED policy due to something other than a positive test or an alleged or actual violation of the law. As written, the PED policy seems to give players the right to refuse to say anything until the NFL has developed sufficient “credible evidence” to justify the imposition of discipline. Then, if the player chooses to appeal, he tells his story within the confines of the appeal process.

Armed with the immense power given to the Commissioner by the federal appeals court ruling in the Brady case, the league can now disregard the terms of the PED policy and invoke Article 46 to compel cooperation with an investigation under the PED policy, despite the plain terms of the PED policy. Before Brady, no player had ever been suspended for failing to cooperate with or obstructing a league investigation. Now, based on the Brady precedent, the NFL has a hammer that it never specifically obtained through bargaining.

Pulling the controversy out of the PED policy also allows the NFL to avoid the neutral arbitration process that was adopted in 2014 for PED violations. Instead, it will be the Commissioner who will handle the appeal of the indefinite suspension that will be imposed on Matthews, Peppers, Harrison, and Neal — and the Commissioner surely will uphold the approach taken by those who work for him.

This is precisely why the NFLPA must roll the dice on an appeal of the Brady case from the Second Circuit (and the Adrian Peterson case from the Eighth Circuit) to the U.S. Supreme Court. As slim as the chances of prevailing may be, not trying to overturn the Brady and Peterson precedent would allow the NFL to use Article 46 not just as a shield against The Shield but as a sword to compel players to do what the league wants, even if the specific policies relevant to a given controversy suggest that the players aren’t required to comply.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/15/nfl-prepares-to-use-brady-p recedent-to-force-cooperation-with-ped-investigation/


nebish - 8/16/2016 at 04:56 PM

I would have to autodraft as I'll be in Vegas watching college football games at the sportsbook. I'll wait until we get closer to see if you need an extra player. Back when I did play fantasy football everyone who ever autodrafted would get like 3 QBs in the first 5 rounds and multiple defenses, etc. We'll see as we get closer - they always got the worst lineups, but maybe it can be set up better now?


LeglizHemp - 8/16/2016 at 05:29 PM

you can always do a mock draft and set it to auto pick to see what happens


gondicar - 8/24/2016 at 02:58 PM

More proof that the rest of the NFL, even "America's Team", wants to be the Patriots. Since February of 2015, the Pats have been the legal owners of “Do Your Job.” (yes, it is trademarked). I guess we'll have to wait and see if any of the Patriot's success rubs off on the pokes...

quote:
Did Cowboys steal Patriots’ catch phrase?

The brand new Dallas Cowboys training camp locker room has a sign on the wall with three words that may seem familiar to a group of people in Foxborough.



Indeed, “Do Your Job” is a common phrase heard on the sidelines of the New England Patriots. After the Patriots win in Super Bowl XLIX, NFL Films even produced a movie about the team with that title.

So, the obvious question is, can the Cowboys get in any trouble for this?

As best we can tell, no. Whether it’s trademarked or not, people are allowed to use that phrase. If they weren’t, then bosses everywhere would be in a lot of trouble when talking to employees.

What Dallas cannot do is to profit from the phrase, unless they strike an agreement with New England.

Such a deal would not be without precedent. The Seattle Seahawks and Texas A&M University have an agreement over the shared used of the phrase “12th man,” which you can read more about here.

But while an agreement is possible, some sort of arrangement between competing teams would seem unlikely.

Unless some sort of agreement is reached, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones would be smart not to produce any “Do Your Job” products.

http://sportsnaut.com/2016/08/cowboys-steal-patriots-catch-phrase/


LeglizHemp - 8/24/2016 at 11:19 PM

quote:
Join Here: http://fantasy.nfl.com/registration/privateleaguejoin?leagueId=4052625
League ID: 4052625
League Password: abb

i changed the draft date to September 3rd at 8 PM EST


we have 6 players now, 2 more would be great.

Dan and me are the only ones from the whipping post. 2 others are followers of ABB Forums that i know and other 2 are friends of theirs.

2 more to rep the post would be cool.


nebish - 8/25/2016 at 05:43 PM

quote:


we have 6 players now, 2 more would be great.

Dan and me are the only ones from the whipping post. 2 others are followers of ABB Forums that i know and other 2 are friends of theirs.

2 more to rep the post would be cool.


OK, I will sign up and try to structure some sort of player list to draft for me. I can't promise I will be good at this, like I might be the person who doesn't change a lineup or add many players from the waiver, but I will give it a good shot.

Maybe you can join our yahoo college pick'em league?


LeglizHemp - 8/25/2016 at 06:49 PM

sure, but i need the links and passwords. i can't find them from last year.


Sang - 8/25/2016 at 06:57 PM

I'll set up the pick em leagues again and post the info......

Do we want to still do 2 - against the spread and straight up? I did just as bad in both of them last year...


LeglizHemp - 8/25/2016 at 07:14 PM

yea i'm good for both, thanks sang. you should try out the fantasy football thing.....we need one more person....or bhawk or alloak....1-3 more spots open


nebish - 8/25/2016 at 08:20 PM

I like both the straight up and spread nfl pick'ems. Last year I won the spread league and 2 years ago I won the straight up league, I'm sure I'll be somewhere in the top 1-3 in both again!

Regarding the college pick'em, there is a link and password info in the college thread here in the WP, which currently can be found on page 1 of the forum.

So for the playoffs in the nfl fantasy, 2 teams from each division make it? I see right now the 3 WP members are all in the same division, the next person to sign up will be in the other division.


LeglizHemp - 8/25/2016 at 09:17 PM

playoffs are top 4 in week 15
consolation game and championship in week 16

draft isn't until sept 3rd at 8pm est

so i'll wait and see if we get 3 more


Sang - 8/26/2016 at 03:37 AM

Pick em Pools

Last year's members should get an email invite

Anyone else that wants to join:

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/pickem

Join an existing group

ABBWP - straight up, no spread
group: 21323
password: oteil

ABBSpread - includes spread
group: 21319
password: gregg

Worst week is dropped
You can make changes up until 5 minutes before game time
You can set it up to get an email reminder 1 or 2 days before the picks are due
Watch for weeks with Thursday games....

Join the fun!


LeglizHemp - 8/26/2016 at 02:51 PM

i'm ready to dominate the no spread league, like last year. try and keep up this year guys.


Lee - 8/27/2016 at 06:41 PM

I joined the spread pool. I plan to win it.


gondicar - 8/29/2016 at 04:26 PM


Bhawk - 8/29/2016 at 07:16 PM

Oh, c'mon now. Kaepernick could get cut anyway. Brady will regain his title, oh, Week 5.


gondicar - 8/29/2016 at 08:10 PM

quote:
Oh, c'mon now. Kaepernick could get cut anyway. Brady will regain his title, oh, Week 5.


gondicar - 8/30/2016 at 12:38 PM

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Oh, c'mon now. Kaepernick could get cut anyway. Brady will regain his title, oh, Week 5.

Not if the commish has his way!





[Edited on 8/30/2016 by gondicar]


LeglizHemp - 8/30/2016 at 02:16 PM

we need one more player for fantasy football, danb and nebish are playing plus some others i rounded up.


nebish - 8/30/2016 at 06:39 PM

quote:
we need one more player for fantasy football, danb and nebish are playing plus some others i rounded up.


When do you think the draft order will be set?

I have tried to set up some auto draft criteria and knowing where I pick will help let everything else fall together...or I end up with 5 QBs if the auto draft thing doesn't work out.


LeglizHemp - 8/30/2016 at 08:00 PM

from what i saw in another group i'm in it can't be set until we have all of the players. we only had 5 out of 10 show up for one group and 7 out of 12 for the other. the auto-draft does a pretty good job.


nebish - 8/30/2016 at 09:38 PM

Maybe Sang should play...he'd doing well in the NASCAR fantasy and NFL is atleast a sport he watches!

I saw in the autodraft you can tell it what position you want to pick in each round (all, qb, rb, etc). You check the ones you want an then I assume it goes off of my list/rankings which I probably have overthought. But there are lots of players I don't want and some mid round guys I really do want. So that is where it will get interesting. I added some players to the do not draft list...how the mid round guys get picked based off of how I ranked them will be the key.

Leaving for Vegas tomorrow, but I can check in and out if I need to tweak the settings. I just know for sure that Saturday night is going to be really busy!

For anyone who likes to wager on games, if you have never experienced the environment in a big Las Vegas sportsbook I highly encourage you to put it on your bucket list. Some great memories have been had in those places.


Lee - 8/30/2016 at 09:46 PM

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Maybe Sang should play...he'd doing well in the NASCAR fantasy and NFL is atleast a sport he watches!




Sang is a numb skull. He is well aware of this. that's wott you get for rooting for the White Sux.


LeglizHemp - 8/30/2016 at 11:32 PM

with only 7 players the waiver wire will be pretty deep


Sang - 8/31/2016 at 03:55 AM

This is too much work for me - it's hard enough to get my college picks and NFL picks in by the deadline.....


and Lee roots for Detoilet, so don't believe anything he says.......


jszfunk - 8/31/2016 at 10:58 AM

Not here to talk fantasy, really don't get into that. I like to enjoy the game for the reality of it.

To bad for the Vikings losing Teddy Bridgewater. We see how important once again the QB position is.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17424174/teddy-bridgewater-suffers-serio us-knee-injury-minnesota-vikings-practice


dimplesjbc - 8/31/2016 at 02:32 PM

quote:
Not here to talk fantasy, really don't get into that. I like to enjoy the game for the reality of it.

To bad for the Vikings losing Teddy Bridgewater. We see how important once again the QB position is.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17424174/teddy-bridgewater-suffers-serio us-knee-injury-minnesota-vikings-practice




I feel bad for TB , what a terrible thing to happen when so many expected a breakout year for him .


porkchopbob - 8/31/2016 at 02:40 PM

Vikings QB Teddy Bridgewater out for the year. As a Packers fan, that sucks for them. Hate to see a guy go down before the season even starts.


LeglizHemp - 9/4/2016 at 02:15 AM


nebish - 9/7/2016 at 06:57 PM

I guess my draft turned out ok. Got alot of RBs! Wasn't really the plan, you guys must have been taking the WRs I targeted. Wanted Keenan Allen and Golden Tate pretty bad, but must not have had them ranked high enough. I did want Amari Cooper, looks like he is my #1. I like the Colby Fleener pick at TE, Brees may make him a star, moved him way up my TE rankings to make sure I got him, we'll see if that works. I wanted Stafford to be my backup, guess I messed that one up too...he's my starter.

Let the games begin!

How about Carolina -3 at Denver. I would need to look, since the NFL started these Thursday night games featuring newly crowned Champions...have any of those been home underdogs in that first game? Carolina should be favored...it just looks weird. Having said that I'll take Carolina...Trevor Simeon QB for the Broncos? No thanks.


Sang - 9/9/2016 at 04:12 AM

We're off to a good start, as everybody missed the first game...... in both pools.....

Still time for anybody else to get in.........


porkchopbob - 9/9/2016 at 01:31 PM

Not a bad game to kick off the season. I didn't think Denver's new QB would be that solid, especially for a 4th quarter comeback (I flipped to the even more dramatic Yankee game). But then again, mush-mouthed corporate shill pHGHtn Manning didn't have much impact on their Super Bowl win so this is already a step up. Those Cam head shots were pretty nuts though.

Here are my picks for this weekend, first weekend is always the most interesting:


Green Bay Jacksonville (GB)
Buffalo Baltimore (Buffalo)
Chicago Houston (Houston)
Cleveland Philadelphia (Philly)
Tampa Bay Atlanta (Atlanta)
Minnesota Tennessee (Minn)
Cincinnati New York Jets (Cincy)
Oakland New Orleans (Oakland)
San Diego Kansas City (KC)
Miami Seattle (Seattle)
Detroit Indianapolis (Indy)
New York Giants Dallas (Dallas)
New England Arizona (Ariz)
Pittsburgh Washington (Pitt)
Los Angeles Rams San Francisco (LA)

[Edited on 9/9/2016 by porkchopbob]


gondicar - 9/10/2016 at 01:11 AM



Per @AdamSchefter, and as earlier reported by @MarkDanielsPJ, Rob Gronkowski did not make the trip to Arizona. Gronkowski will not play.


jszfunk - 9/10/2016 at 12:03 PM

Anyone have any predictions for the team you are a fan of? Super Bowl?

Indy will be lucky to finish 8-8,just from the preseason play, injuries, the o lines performance and lack of play makers. Hope I am wrong....

A far as the Super Bowl.....I will say Green Bay v. Pittsburgh. Denver still might be a player having to depend on their "D".


Lee - 9/10/2016 at 12:33 PM

I agree with your assessment. It is really tough to predict. I do like Denver. And can you really ever rule out the damn Patriots?


LeglizHemp - 9/11/2016 at 03:48 PM


gondicar - 9/12/2016 at 03:35 AM

1-0

#wideleft #patriots #jimmyg


IPowrie - 9/12/2016 at 04:08 AM

Was bummed to find out the safety at the end of the Lions game didn't screw over any gamblers. Being 1-0 is nice.


LeglizHemp - 9/12/2016 at 06:07 PM

Fake Tom Brady at game yesterday.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000701170/article/fake-brady-makes-ear th-stopover-before-return-to-hell


jszfunk - 9/13/2016 at 11:24 AM

A lot of close games this past weekend.

I bet the people of St Louis are having a hardy laugh this morning.
Getting shut out by the 49ers . Ouch!! The Rams gave away all of those draft picks and they're number one is on the bench.


nebish - 9/13/2016 at 01:19 PM

Thank may be the most pitiful offensive performance I have ever seen from an NFL team last night. The LA Rams, whoa....they SUCKED!


porkchopbob - 9/13/2016 at 01:46 PM

quote:

Green Bay Jacksonville (GB)
Buffalo Baltimore (Buffalo)
Chicago Houston (Houston)
Cleveland Philadelphia (Philly)
Tampa Bay Atlanta (Atlanta)
Minnesota Tennessee (Minn)
Cincinnati New York Jets (Cincy)
Oakland New Orleans (Oakland)
San Diego Kansas City (KC)
Miami Seattle (Seattle)
Detroit Indianapolis (Indy)
New York Giants Dallas (Dallas)
New England Arizona (Ariz)
Pittsburgh Washington (Pitt)
Los Angeles Rams San Francisco (LA)



Great opening day of the NFL, glad it's back. I went 9-7 for my picks (I didn't pick Denver to win either), which isn't horrible for the first weekend. Always going to be some surprises and close games that could have gone either way. A few quick thoughts:

- Either Indy still has some cobwebs or Detroit might actually have some fire this season. Indy just let Detroit march right back down the field after taking the lead with :40 to go, even with receivers staying in bounds.

- Dallas's new QB looks solid, Romo may be next season's Matt Hasselback: a holding the clipboard in Tennessee or Indy.

- Packers got a messy win in Jacksonville, their defense stepped up. These are the kinds of wins you like to see against really good teams, time will tell if the Jaguars have made any steps forward. As usual, the AFC South is anyone's to take. Looking forward to watching the Packers throttle the Vikings this Sunday night.

- Are Arizona and Carolina slumping after being the top of the NFC last season?

- The Bears. Still. Suck.

My picks this week:

New York Jets Buffalo (Jets)
Cincinnati Pittsburgh (Pitt)
Tennessee Detroit (Detroit)
Baltimore Cleveland (Baltimore)
Dallas Washington (Dallas)
New Orleans New York (Giants)
San Francisco Carolina (SF)
Miami New England (NE)
Kansas City Houston (Houston)
Seattle Los Angeles (Seattle)
Tampa Bay Arizona (TB)
Jacksonville San Diego (Jacksonville)
Atlanta Oakland (Oak)
Indianapolis Denver (Denver)
Green Bay Minnesota (GB)
Philadelphia Chicago (Philly)


porkchopbob - 9/13/2016 at 01:50 PM

Here's some big news, Nike has solved the Color Rush issue for their color blind fans by......removing the color! Here's the Packers' color rush jersey - can you feel the rush!?





Maybe they should just scrap this whole horrible idea. Actually, I'm glad the Packers didn't go crazy as some teams do, this is essentially their away uniform with white pants. The Packers (as well as most of the old NFL franchises - Steelers, Bears, Giants, etc) are well-branded and don't need to look like a Nike stain.



[Edited on 9/13/2016 by porkchopbob]


Brendan - 9/13/2016 at 02:07 PM

quote:
can you feel the rush!?


Yes... the Eagles went in the opposite direction.



The most thrilling black t-shirt ever.


gondicar - 9/13/2016 at 04:39 PM

Today is the one year anniversary of the Dallas Cowboys last home win.

Carry on.


Brendan - 9/15/2016 at 12:55 PM

More on color rush...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000702777/article/jets-will-skip-color -rush-in-service-of-the-color-blind


LeglizHemp - 9/15/2016 at 07:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khPmM6Rg1b8

"Song" feat. Tom Brady and Jeff Bridges


gondicar - 9/15/2016 at 07:38 PM

quote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khPmM6Rg1b8

"Song" feat. Tom Brady and Jeff Bridges


That's funny.

So is this take on Roger Goodell's reaction to the Patriots victory on Sunday:

https://youtu.be/vIu-O0dXwOw


gondicar - 9/16/2016 at 02:25 PM

If you missed the video lead-in to the game last night, it's worth a watch...brilliantly hilarious trash talk abttle between Jim Kelly and Joe Nameth (and their daughters)...

https://twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/776577881598074880

(you don't don't need to be logged in to Twitter to watch)


nebish - 9/16/2016 at 05:04 PM

I thought Todd Bowles and Rex Ryan were known for defense! Who would've guessed those teams would combine for 68 pts and almost 900 yards of offense!


nebish - 9/16/2016 at 06:51 PM

Just heard Bills fired their OC. Maybe they should fire the DC, oh wait....


gondicar - 9/16/2016 at 07:17 PM

quote:
Just heard Bills fired their OC. Maybe they should fire the DC, oh wait....


Unreal! Sounds like he's the fall guy. I think most NFL teams expect to win when they score 31 points, which the Bills did last night. I thought they'd win and that their defense would be able to keep Fitzy in check (or he'd implode on his own) and they'd win a low scoring game. Boy was I wrong...they made Fitzy look like Elway, Montana, Unitas and Brady all rolled into one. But yeah, let's fire the OC. That's Sexy Rexy for ya!


porkchopbob - 9/20/2016 at 02:47 PM

I actually felt bad for the Bills when they hired Rex Ryan. Marrone seemed to have them going in the right direction after years of mediocrity, but they managed to run him out of town. Ryan, or I should say, the RyanS, are a circus act.

Anyways, I went 9-7 in my picks for the 2nd week in a row. I guess I counted out the Cardinals and gave the 49ers too much credit. And who'd have thunk the Rams surprising a rusty Seahawks squad?

I'm bummed the Packers couldn't ruin the Vikings' house warming, but not too surprised with how creaky their offense still looks. Packers fans mostly thought it was the loss of Jordy Nelson that caused the offense to suffer last season, but they need to get their rhythm back to their old form.

Also, why wasn't Adrian Peterson carted off the field and instead carried through the stadium bar? That blew me away more than anything this past weekend.


porkchopbob - 9/20/2016 at 02:53 PM

This week's picks:

Houston New England (NE)
Arizona Buffalo (Ariz)
Oakland Tennessee (Oak)
Cleveland Miami (Miami)
Baltimore Jacksonville (Balt)
Detroit Green Bay (GB)
Denver Cincinnati (Denver)
Minnesota Carolina (Carolina)
Washington New York (Giants)
Los Angeles Tampa Bay (LA)
San Francisco Seattle (Seattle)
New York Kansas City (Jets)
San Diego Indianapolis (Indy)
Pittsburgh Philadelphia (Pitts)
Chicago Dallas (Dallas)
Atlanta New Orleans (Atl)


nebish - 9/20/2016 at 09:04 PM

quote:
I'm bummed the Packers couldn't ruin the Vikings' house warming, but not too surprised with how creaky their offense still looks. Packers fans mostly thought it was the loss of Jordy Nelson that caused the offense to suffer last season, but they need to get their rhythm back to their old form.

Also, why wasn't Adrian Peterson carted off the field and instead carried through the stadium bar? That blew me away more than anything this past weekend.


It seems to me that Green Bay, to one extent or another, has always had OL issues. Several years ago it was downright bad. It sure looked bad Sunday as well. The Minn front 7 looks pretty stout, the secondary, especially the CBs that were playing looked pretty suspect...which is ironic that one of them effectively ended the game jumping Nelson for that INT. The rhythm with Nelson is one thing, but all those other guys were there and played with Rogers last year...looks like the OL is the main liability.

I too thought it was very very strange that they took Peterson through the main tunnel to the locker room, which happens to go through the bar. I'm sure he hated that, embarrassing for him. But I don;t know the logistics of that stadium and what other ways there are to get to the locker room.

Miami's no show was a shock, not that they lost, but how poorly they started the game. However, in light of Seattle's O in LA, maybe the good showing Miami had in Seattle was misleading.

The Bears still suck. Cutler has to be one of the worst QBs in the league year in and year out. Glad I am not a Bears fan...I;m not really a fan of any team so easy for me to pick on others.


jszfunk - 9/22/2016 at 11:05 AM

Sounds like the Vikings took another hit.

Vikings' Adrian Peterson to have meniscus surgery, targets playoff return

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/vikings/2016/09/21/minnesota-vikin gs-adrian-peterson-meniscus-surgery-thursday/90781078/


gondicar - 9/22/2016 at 12:44 PM


Lee - 9/22/2016 at 01:19 PM

quote:
Sounds like the Vikings took another hit.

Vikings' Adrian Peterson to have meniscus surgery, targets playoff return

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/vikings/2016/09/21/minnesota-vikin gs-adrian-peterson-meniscus-surgery-thursday/90781078/



The NFC Central is so terrible the Vikings probably still have a shot.


porkchopbob - 9/22/2016 at 01:31 PM

quote:
The Bears still suck. Cutler has to be one of the worst QBs in the league year in and year out. Glad I am not a Bears fan...I;m not really a fan of any team so easy for me to pick on others.


You want to know how bad Cutler is? Packers fans would be crushed if he went down, we love that guy and hope he stays healthy for a long time.


gondicar - 9/23/2016 at 11:21 AM

3-0 with extra time to prep for Sexy Rexy and the bills. Not bad. BB absolutely schooled O'Brien last night. And whatever they paid Dante Scarnechia to come out of retirement, it wasn't enough.


jszfunk - 9/23/2016 at 11:32 AM

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quote:
The Bears still suck. Cutler has to be one of the worst QBs in the league year in and year out. Glad I am not a Bears fan...I;m not really a fan of any team so easy for me to pick on others.


You want to know how bad Cutler is? Packers fans would be crushed if he went down, we love that guy and hope he stays healthy for a long time.


HA!!

I use to have an autographed picture of Chester Marcol and John Anderson from when I used to live in Wisconsin as a kid. I will have to see if I can find it and post it here. Lord knows where its at and even if I still have it.


porkchopbob - 9/23/2016 at 03:01 PM

quote:
HA!!

I use to have an autographed picture of Chester Marcol and John Anderson from when I used to live in Wisconsin as a kid. I will have to see if I can find it and post it here. Lord knows where its at and even if I still have it.



NICE!


porkchopbob - 9/23/2016 at 03:02 PM

Not that Houston is a big threat or anything, but New England just keeps on rolling. Maybe Brady isn't that great at all, maybe it's just the system...


jszfunk - 9/26/2016 at 11:28 AM

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Not that Houston is a big threat or anything, but New England just keeps on rolling. Maybe Brady isn't that great at all, maybe it's just the system...


Uh-oh!! You just lit a fire under the TB12 fan boys here. Get ready for an onslaught of memes, pictures, stats and other NE paraphernalia and propaganda .

It does make you think that with him and others. Brady no doubt is one of the best, but there is a system in place where they can shuffle players in and out and still maintain a high level of play for the most part. It pains me to say that but its the truth.


jszfunk - 9/26/2016 at 11:30 AM

Anyone watch the Pitt vs Philly game? Just caught the score this morning. Wow!


Lee - 9/27/2016 at 12:00 PM

I won my pick 'em pool again this week. I didn't think I had a chance watching the game last night because I took the Saints. Won anyway.


porkchopbob - 9/27/2016 at 03:20 PM

quote:
This week's picks:

Houston New England (NE)
Arizona Buffalo (Ariz)
Oakland Tennessee (Oak)
Cleveland Miami (Miami)
Baltimore Jacksonville (Balt)
Detroit Green Bay (GB)
Denver Cincinnati (Denver)
Minnesota Carolina (Carolina)
Washington New York (Giants)
Los Angeles Tampa Bay (LA)
San Francisco Seattle (Seattle)
New York Kansas City (Jets)
San Diego Indianapolis (Indy)
Pittsburgh Philadelphia (Pitts)
Chicago Dallas (Dallas)
Atlanta New Orleans (Atl)


Went 11-5 in picks this week. Philly and Minnesota were the big surprises, NFC East should be interesting this season.

Packers came out swinging against the Lions and held them off. Pretty decent considering how many starting defenders were sitting on the sidelines. Still, would like to see them get some momentum going after this week's bye.

Week 4 picks, a lot of interesting games:

Miami Cincinnati (Miami)
Indianapolis Jacksonville (Indy)
Tennessee Houston (Houston)
Cleveland Washington (Wash)
Seattle New York (Seattle)
Buffalo New England (NE)
Carolina Atlanta (Atl)
Oakland Baltimore (Baltimore)
Detroit Chicago (Detroit)
Denver Tampa Bay (Denver)
Los Angeles Arizona (Ariz)
New Orleans San Diego (NO)
Dallas San Francisco (Dallas)
Kansas City Pittsburgh (Pitt)
New York Minnesota (Minn)


jszfunk - 9/27/2016 at 05:39 PM

quote:
quote:
This week's picks:

Houston New England (NE)
Arizona Buffalo (Ariz)
Oakland Tennessee (Oak)
Cleveland Miami (Miami)
Baltimore Jacksonville (Balt)
Detroit Green Bay (GB)
Denver Cincinnati (Denver)
Minnesota Carolina (Carolina)
Washington New York (Giants)
Los Angeles Tampa Bay (LA)
San Francisco Seattle (Seattle)
New York Kansas City (Jets)
San Diego Indianapolis (Indy)
Pittsburgh Philadelphia (Pitts)
Chicago Dallas (Dallas)
Atlanta New Orleans (Atl)


Went 11-5 in picks this week. Philly and Minnesota were the big surprises, NFC East should be interesting this season.

Packers came out swinging against the Lions and held them off. Pretty decent considering how many starting defenders were sitting on the sidelines. Still, would like to see them get some momentum going after this week's bye.

Week 4 picks, a lot of interesting games:

Miami Cincinnati (Miami)
Indianapolis Jacksonville (Indy)
Tennessee Houston (Houston)
Cleveland Washington (Wash)
Seattle New York (Seattle)
Buffalo New England (NE)
Carolina Atlanta (Atl)
Oakland Baltimore (Baltimore)
Detroit Chicago (Detroit)
Denver Tampa Bay (Denver)
Los Angeles Arizona (Ariz)
New Orleans San Diego (NO)
Dallas San Francisco (Dallas)
Kansas City Pittsburgh (Pitt)
New York Minnesota (Minn)



I turned to the Packers game and saw in the 2nd quarter had them down quite a bit so I quit watching . Detroit came back and it looks like they almost made a game of it. Philly winning was a big surprise also. They for real?!


jszfunk - 9/29/2016 at 11:43 AM

Texans place J.J. Watt (back) on injured reserve
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000711263/article/jj-watt-reinjures-ba ck-could-miss-season
J.J. Watt will have to wait until next season to make a serious run at an unprecedented fourth NFL Defensive Player of the Year award.

The league's dominant defensive force re-injured his back during Houston's Week 3 loss to the New England Patriots, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Texans re-signed veteran defensive end Antonio Smith for depth, the team announced.

There's a chance Watt could miss the rest of the season, per Rapoport. The Texans announced Wednesday they placed him on injured reserve. The hope is that he can return for a late-season playoff run. Texans coach Bill O'Brien told reporters he has no idea if Watt will need to undergo surgery.








The 27-year-old star missed the entire preseason after having surgery to repair a herniated disk in late July.

"We're looking forward to the challenge ahead," O'Brien said. "Obviously, we all feel bad for him."

Although Watt has yet to miss a game in his six-year career, he has suffered major injuries two of the last four times he has suited up.

Watt recently revealed that he questioned whether he would play again after tearing several abdominal muscles off the bone in the Texans' playoff loss to the Chiefs last January. Aggravating his back injury last week, Watt managed fewer than three tackles and zero quarterback hits for the first time since his rookie year in 2011.

He simply hasn't been the same disruptive wrecking ball since rushing back from July's surgery. That's hardly unusual for players returning from similar procedures.

Even with a diminished Watt, the Texans had emerged as the heavy favorites in an underwhelming AFC South. Buoyed by the linebacking quartet of Jadeveon Clowney, John Simon, Whitney Mercilus and Benardrick McKinney, Houston's pass rush was the league's most ferocious in Weeks 1 and 2.








Minus the NFL's lone player to be selected as a first-team All-Pro in each of the past four seasons, though, the ceiling is lower. After laying an egg at New England, the Texans were already generating skepticism as a weak-division pretender unable to compete with perennial AFC superpowers such as the Patriots and Broncos.

The greater concern, however, is for the long-term outlook of a once-in-a-generation talent.

Back injuries have been known to waylay the careers of superstars in every major sport. After just five NFL seasons, Watt was already slated to join Hall of Famers Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White in the pantheon of defensive legends. He has recorded more sacks per game (0.92) than any player since the statistic was first instituted in 1982.

Will he regain that same game-wrecking, pre-injury form the next time he stalks the gridiron? It's a fair question, but we wouldn't bet against him.


Lee - 10/2/2016 at 12:19 PM

Almost football time!


nebish - 10/2/2016 at 04:23 PM

Robert Blanton #26 for the Bills just talked **** to Jacoby Brissett and pushed him. A small scuffle ensued as Brissett just continued to run in his pregame warmup but #19 of the Pats with some NE staffers getting into it with Bills players. Bills players came onto the NE part of the sideline to start **** . Rex really hates losing to Belichick, his players must know how much of a hardon he has for trying to beat NE.

[Edited on 10/2/2016 by nebish]


nebish - 10/2/2016 at 04:31 PM

Second half offensive explosion in London!


Lee - 10/2/2016 at 09:01 PM

quote:
Robert Blanton #26 for the Bills just talked **** to Jacoby Brissett and pushed him. A small scuffle ensued as Brissett just continued to run in his pregame warmup but #19 of the Pats with some NE staffers getting into it with Bills players. Bills players came onto the NE part of the sideline to start **** . Rex really hates losing to Belichick, his players must know how much of a hardon he has for trying to beat NE.

[Edited on 10/2/2016 by nebish]



Didn't help the Pats much today.


porkchopbob - 10/4/2016 at 04:02 PM

quote:
Week 4 picks, a lot of interesting games:

Miami Cincinnati (Miami)
Indianapolis Jacksonville (Indy)
Tennessee Houston (Houston)
Cleveland Washington (Wash)
Seattle New York (Seattle)
Buffalo New England (NE)
Carolina Atlanta (Atl)
Oakland Baltimore (Baltimore)
Detroit Chicago (Detroit)
Denver Tampa Bay (Denver)
Los Angeles Arizona (Ariz)
New Orleans San Diego (NO)
Dallas San Francisco (Dallas)
Kansas City Pittsburgh (Pitt)
New York Minnesota (Minn)



9-6 this week, lots of minor surprises this week, some close division games. Things are getting clearer.

- Buffalo knocked NE in the teeth. Still don't see Buffalo making too much noise, especially with Brady returning this week and Cleveland on their platter.
- Indy looks pretty terrible right about now
- LA looks like it might make some noise, at least within the NFC West.
- Arizona and Carolina look pretty human about now, but it's only 1/4 of the way through the season, anyone can catch fire yet.
-The Bears got their first win over Detroit, headline of the day "John Fox refuses to hand job back to Jay Cutler when healthy". Guess there may not be a happy ending for Jay in Chicago.
-Viking continue to roll, but hey, it's the Vikings.

Week 5 picks:
Arizona San Francisco (Ariz)
New England Cleveland (NE)
Philadelphia Detroit (Philly)
Chicago Indianapolis (Chi)
Tennessee Miami (Tenn)
Washington Baltimore (Balt)
Houston Minnesota (Minn)
New York Pittsburgh (Pitt)
Atlanta Denver (Denver)
Cincinnati Dallas (Dallas)
Buffalo Los Angeles (LA)
San Diego Oakland (Oakland)
New York Green Bay (GB)
Tampa Bay Carolina (Car)


jszfunk - 10/5/2016 at 11:31 AM

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9-6 this week, lots of minor surprises this week, some close division games. Things are getting clearer.

- Buffalo knocked NE in the teeth. Still don't see Buffalo making too much noise, especially with Brady returning this week and Cleveland on their platter.
- Indy looks pretty terrible right about now
- LA looks like it might make some noise, at least within the NFC West.
- Arizona and Carolina look pretty human about now, but it's only 1/4 of the way through the season, anyone can catch fire yet.
-The Bears got their first win over Detroit, headline of the day "John Fox refuses to hand job back to Jay Cutler when healthy". Guess there may not be a happy ending for Jay in Chicago.
-Viking continue to roll, but hey, it's the Vikings.




Good to see NE shut out at home.
Indy IS awful.

If you look at all of the undefeated teams, the defenses are all very strong and on the opposite side of the ball you have a rookie and former backups starting.


porkchopbob - 10/5/2016 at 02:06 PM

quote:
Indy IS awful.

If you look at all of the undefeated teams, the defenses are all very strong and on the opposite side of the ball you have a rookie and former backups starting.


If this keeps up, I don't see Pagano making it to the end of the season. When you can't stop Stat Padford on a :40 second drill, you have issues.

The Eagles, Vikings, and Broncos - who knew? Makes for an exciting season. The Eagles were bound to be better without Chip Kelly, but who knew Wentz AND Bradford would be the top of the NFC after 4 games (and Carolina and Arizona would both be 1-3)? NFC East is probably the most even of the NFC divisions this year, there is no real bottom dweller, so it will be a tough 12 games. Vikings play the Eagles play October 23.


jszfunk - 10/5/2016 at 09:18 PM

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Indy IS awful.

If you look at all of the undefeated teams, the defenses are all very strong and on the opposite side of the ball you have a rookie and former backups starting.


If this keeps up, I don't see Pagano making it to the end of the season. When you can't stop Stat Padford on a :40 second drill, you have issues.

The Eagles, Vikings, and Broncos - who knew? Makes for an exciting season. The Eagles were bound to be better without Chip Kelly, but who knew Wentz AND Bradford would be the top of the NFC after 4 games (and Carolina and Arizona would both be 1-3)? NFC East is probably the most even of the NFC divisions this year, there is no real bottom dweller, so it will be a tough 12 games. Vikings play the Eagles play October 23.


To be honest, I thought Irsay was gonna can him on the flight home. But really I think I a lot of this falls on the GM ,Ryan Grigson and his inability to build this team ...especially around Luck.
If this type of play keeps up both will be gone.

Yeah especially Bradford, I figured he was not going to pan out after all of this time.

Reggie Wayne blames front office for Colts' struggles
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000715677/article/reggie-wayne-blames- front-office-for-colts-struggles


porkchopbob - 10/6/2016 at 02:04 PM

quote:
To be honest, I thought Irsay was gonna can him on the flight home. But really I think I a lot of this falls on the GM ,Ryan Grigson and his inability to build this team ...especially around Luck.
If this type of play keeps up both will be gone.

Yeah especially Bradford, I figured he was not going to pan out after all of this time.



I'm not saying Bradford will full on collapse, but the Vikings will find a way to mess it up. It's just what they do.

Do Indy fans like Irsay? He's seems to have a few screws loose, but then again, I tend to dislike owners who seek the spotlight or too much control.


gondicar - 10/9/2016 at 09:47 PM


jszfunk - 10/10/2016 at 11:57 AM

quote:
quote:
To be honest, I thought Irsay was gonna can him on the flight home. But really I think I a lot of this falls on the GM ,Ryan Grigson and his inability to build this team ...especially around Luck.
If this type of play keeps up both will be gone.

Yeah especially Bradford, I figured he was not going to pan out after all of this time.



I'm not saying Bradford will full on collapse, but the Vikings will find a way to mess it up. It's just what they do.

Do Indy fans like Irsay? He's seems to have a few screws loose, but then again, I tend to dislike owners who seek the spotlight or too much control.


I think overall they do,I do. He seems like a genuine nice guy, does a lot for the community,who has had some substance abuse issues. He likes the social media, to much at times for my taste.

Over the last year or so he has gotten frustrated with what has been going on with this team and the direction it has been going. I can't say I blame, it's his team, but maybe he needs to learn to step back. Its hard when you are passionate about something. It was easy for the many years when you had Bill Polian and Dungy running the show, now things have gone awry and maybe he feels the need to step in to settle things...I don't know. I just feel they might end up ruining Luck.
He played good yesterday, just needs an o line. He has been sacked 20 times in 5 games. Defense is awful.

I am still saying Pitt vs GB in the SB.

[Edited on 10/10/2016 by jszfunk]


gondicar - 10/12/2016 at 07:59 PM



Tom Brady named AFC Offensive Player of the Week for 26th time in career


gondicar - 10/12/2016 at 08:03 PM

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Do Indy fans like Irsay? He's seems to have a few screws loose, but then again, I tend to dislike owners who seek the spotlight or too much control.


I think overall they do,I do. He seems like a genuine nice guy, does a lot for the community,who has had some substance abuse issues. He likes the social media, to much at times for my taste.

Plus, he's got one helluva guitar collection.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2016/06/25/owner-jim-irsay-b uys-prince-yellow-cloud-guitar-auction/86395780/


tbomike - 10/12/2016 at 09:10 PM

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Tom Brady named AFC Offensive Player of the Week for 26th time in career



But your golden boy could not answer a simple question about locker room talk today. Wasn't man enough to answer the question without running from the press conference.

Unlike Brady Lebron answered it forcefully.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lebron-james-slams-donald-trum p-locker-room-talk-defense-article-1.2828424


gondicar - 10/12/2016 at 09:18 PM

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quote:


Tom Brady named AFC Offensive Player of the Week for 26th time in career



But your golden boy could not answer a simple question about locker room talk today. Wasn't man enough to answer the question without running from the press conference.

Unlike Brady Lebron answered it forcefully.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lebron-james-slams-donald-trum p-locker-room-talk-defense-article-1.2828424


Brady tends to be very careful at pressers doesn't like to talk about stuff other than football, something he's learned that from his coach. I don't think LeBron has the same approach, and good for him (I am with LeBron on this one). I'm assuming you don't care one way or the other and are just trolling me anyway.



[Edited on 10/12/2016 by gondicar]


tbomike - 10/12/2016 at 09:21 PM

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quote:
quote:


Tom Brady named AFC Offensive Player of the Week for 26th time in career



But your golden boy could not answer a simple question about locker room talk today. Wasn't man enough to answer the question without running from the press conference.

Unlike Brady Lebron answered it forcefully.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lebron-james-slams-donald-trum p-locker-room-talk-defense-article-1.2828424


Brady tends to be very careful at pressers doesn't like to talk about stuff other than football, something he's learned that from his coach. I don't think LeBron has the same approach, and good for him (I am with LeBron on this one). I'm assuming you don't care one way or the other and are just trolling me anyway.



[Edited on 10/12/2016 by gondicar]


Why would I troll you? I do care that Brady blew this today. I am a lifelong Raiders fan but that has nothing to do with Brady being a non leader today. I know how he is but he blew this one.


gondicar - 10/12/2016 at 10:15 PM

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Why would I troll you?

Everyone else does so why not.

quote:
I do care that Brady blew this today. I am a lifelong Raiders fan but that has nothing to do with Brady being a non leader today. I know how he is but he blew this one.

Your opinion.

Is this Trump locker room talk nonsense going to be a question at every presser for every athlete out there? Jeeez Louise. Good for Brady for not letting himself be drawn into it more than he already has.





[Edited on 10/12/2016 by gondicar]


tbomike - 10/12/2016 at 10:22 PM

I guess you could say I am trolling Brady if you wish but no not really you. I don't think every athlete is going to have to answer this but certainly ones of the stature of Brady and LeBron and with Brady having somewhat aligned himself with Trump he has to know this was coming. And he should have answered it.


gondicar - 10/12/2016 at 10:24 PM

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I guess you could say I am trolling Brady if you wish but no not really you. I don't think every athlete is going to have to answer this but certainly ones of the stature of Brady and LeBron and with Brady having somewhat aligned himself with Trump he has to know this was coming. And he should have answered it.

He's already said that he's not going to talk about Trump or the election at all. Nor should he have to if he doesn't want to.


jszfunk - 10/13/2016 at 10:52 AM

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quote:
quote:
Do Indy fans like Irsay? He's seems to have a few screws loose, but then again, I tend to dislike owners who seek the spotlight or too much control.


I think overall they do,I do. He seems like a genuine nice guy, does a lot for the community,who has had some substance abuse issues. He likes the social media, to much at times for my taste.

Plus, he's got one helluva guitar collection.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2016/06/25/owner-jim-irsay-b uys-prince-yellow-cloud-guitar-auction/86395780/


Amen!!!

A few years ago at a local museum here in Indy, Jim sat up a showing of all of his collectibles. I was unable to make it. Would have been very cool.






Jim playing Garcias Tiger


Recently bought on eof Princes guitars.


Lee - 10/16/2016 at 02:49 PM

R.I.P. Dennis Byrd. What a tragic story.


gondicar - 10/17/2016 at 02:09 PM

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R.I.P. Dennis Byrd. What a tragic story.


Awful.


gondicar - 10/17/2016 at 02:10 PM

Week 6 in the books...slow start but strong finish for the Pats. Refs did a pathetic job of managing the game, way too much chippiness from both sides that almost got out of control at the end. Burfict has to be the dirtiest player in the game and a couple of Pats almost played right into his hands, gotta stay above that sh!t. On to Pittsburgh without Big Ben.

Was pleasantly surprised to see SD knock of the Broncos. Saints beat Carolina in a shoot out, are the Panthers out of it already? Oakland loses at home to KC, so are they for real? Prescott finally throws a pick but also throws for 3 scores as the Pokes beat the Pack...seems like several divisions are still wide open after 6 weeks.

[Edited on 10/17/2016 by gondicar]


gondicar - 10/17/2016 at 06:18 PM

I know it is easy to look up, but who knows off the top of their head who the other three QBs are? I was a bit surprised that a few others weren't on the list. Hint: one is active, two are retired...


piacere - 10/18/2016 at 12:36 AM

purely a guess; I'd say Brees, P. Manning, Favre?


jszfunk - 10/18/2016 at 11:53 AM

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I know it is easy to look up, but who knows off the top of their head who the other three QBs are? I was a bit surprised that a few others weren't on the list. Hint: one is active, two are retired...




Just curious, are you more of a Brady fan Or Pat's fan?


gondicar - 10/18/2016 at 12:15 PM

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I know it is easy to look up, but who knows off the top of their head who the other three QBs are? I was a bit surprised that a few others weren't on the list. Hint: one is active, two are retired...




Just curious, are you more of a Brady fan Or Pat's fan?

I'm a fan of both, but have been a Pats fan a lot longer than I've been a Brady fan. Why?


gondicar - 10/18/2016 at 12:16 PM

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purely a guess; I'd say Brees, P. Manning, Favre?


Boom! You win!!


porkchopbob - 10/18/2016 at 01:51 PM

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Prescott finally throws a pick but also throws for 3 scores as the Pokes beat the Pack...seems like several divisions are still wide open after 6 weeks.




Ugh, that was a miserable game. Packers have to get their offense back on track, hopefully they can do that against the Bears this Thursday.

Prescott looks good, Jerry would be crazy to put Romo back in because let's be honest, Romo has never been a great quarterback. Solid starter, sure, but he's like a poor man's Brett Favre - great highs when he is on, but lots of bone headed mistakes.


jszfunk - 10/19/2016 at 11:41 AM

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Prescott finally throws a pick but also throws for 3 scores as the Pokes beat the Pack...seems like several divisions are still wide open after 6 weeks.




Ugh, that was a miserable game. Packers have to get their offense back on track, hopefully they can do that against the Bears this Thursday.

Prescott looks good, Jerry would be crazy to put Romo back in because let's be honest, Romo has never been a great quarterback. Solid starter, sure, but he's like a poor man's Brett Favre - great highs when he is on, but lots of bone headed mistakes.


Yeah I agree, you got leave Prescott in.No way can you take him out , the Cowboys looked really good against the Pack and they are on a roll. Cant stop it now. GB could not get anything going against them this past Sunday.


Brendan - 10/19/2016 at 12:15 PM

I had forgotten about this...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000723532/article/lets-celebrate-the-a nniversary-of-the-worst-play-ever


gondicar - 10/19/2016 at 12:24 PM

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I had forgotten about this...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000723532/article/lets-celebrate-the-a nniversary-of-the-worst-play-ever


Classic Dolts!


gondicar - 10/24/2016 at 01:55 PM

Funny how all the "trade Brady" calls I heard on various sports radio call-in shows during the first few weeks of the season have dried up...


Lee - 10/24/2016 at 07:32 PM

Yawn....


Lee - 10/24/2016 at 07:58 PM

Take the Lions!


gondicar - 10/24/2016 at 08:10 PM

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Take the Lions!

Where should we take them?


gondicar - 10/24/2016 at 08:44 PM

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Yawn....


How about this none? With THREE different quarterbacks!!


Lee - 10/24/2016 at 09:20 PM

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Yawn....


How about this none? With THREE different quarterbacks!!





None what?


Lee - 10/24/2016 at 09:45 PM

I can win my NFL pool tonight. Not sure who to take. I am one game back. I think Denver should cover but I figure the two guys I need to catch will probably take them as well so I need to go against them so I guess I am going with Houston. Not too confident in that but it is worth a shot.


jszfunk - 10/25/2016 at 11:29 AM

Ya think John Elway is smiling this morning, comparing what Houston is paying BO and what the Broncos are paying for Siemian . Who got the bad end of the deal on that one?! Yikes!

It looks like Geno Smith tore hos ACl just into his first start of the season for Fitz.

I heard the Mike Martz's postgame press conference after the loss this past weekend, lays into the team pretty good.
http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Zimmer-An-Embarrassing-Performanc e-Today/0c988b42-f815-4099-99a6-ac8a9a61b895


gondicar - 10/25/2016 at 12:03 PM

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Yawn....


How about this none? With THREE different quarterbacks!!



None what?

You know.

This just in...the oldest guy in the league also happens to be the best at this position...

Tom Brady finally qualifies for passing stats, leads NFL in every meaningful category

Well, that didn't take long. By "that," I really mean "Tom Brady taking over the NFL on his official middle finger to the entire league tour."

It's been three games since Brady returned from his four-game Deflategate suspension and he's already established himself as the best quarterback of the 2016 season. After another successful outing against the Steelers on Sunday, Brady has finally thrown enough passes to qualify for official NFL passing statistics (which MassLive's Kevin Duffy first pointed out).

He's already on top of every meaningful category.

Through three games, Brady's gone 76 of 101 for 1,004 yards, eight touchdowns, zero interceptions, and a 132.6 passer rating. Let's take a look at where those numbers stack up.

Passer rating: Brady's 132.6 passer rating leads the NFL.

He's actually 19 points ahead of the next closest quarterback, Matt Ryan, and his 113.6 rating. For context, consider Brady's career-high rating in a single season is 117.2, which he put up during the Patriots' undefeated 2007 season, and the NFL's single-season record is held by Aaron Rodgers' 122.5 rating in 2011.

There's still a ways to go, but Brady is on pace to crush that mark.

Completion percentage: Brady has completed 75.2 percent of his passes. That's the highest completion percentage in the NFL.

Dak Prescott, who has completed 68.7 of his attempts, is in second. So, Brady is on top by nearly seven percent.

Yards per pass: Obviously due to the fact that he was suspended for a quarter of the season (remember: all because under-inflated footballs were used during an absolute blowout of a game), Brady does not lead the NFL in passing yards. But if you look at yards per pass (a better stat anyway, because it measures efficiency and not volume), it's Brady in a landslide.

So far, he's averaging 9.94 yards per attempt, which means he's basically averaging a first down every time he lets go of the football.

Matt Ryan is in second with 9.62 yards per pass.

Touchdown rate: Drew Brees leads the NFL in total passing touchdowns with 17. But if you look at touchdown rates, Brady is on top.

7.9 percent of his passes wind up in the end zone. For the sake of comparison, Brees leads the league in touchdowns, but his touchdown rate is 6.2 percent (tied for the fourth-highest percentage). In second place is Ben Roethlisberger, who's throwing a touchdown on 7.1 percent of his passes.

Again, Brady is ahead by a decent margin.

Interceptions: Brady has yet to throw an interception this year. So, obviously, he's tied for the best interception rate in the NFL.

The only other qualified passer without an interception is Bears backup Brian Hoyer, but his season appears to be over.

The point being: Tom Brady might be 39, but he's not slowing down. And we shouldn't be surprised if his run of success continues.

One reason for that is coaching. Bill Belichick might (I'd say he is) be the greatest coach in the history of the NFL and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels proved his value by successfully working with both Jimmy Garoppolo and Jacoby Brissett. Another reason is the Patriots' personnel -- something our Jared Dubin broke down recently.

The last reason is Brady himself. The endings for older all-time greats often come out of nowhere (see: Peyton Manning), but I can't help but think Brady wasn't entirely wrong when he said he wanted to play until 2025.

He's an unstoppable machine -- even with fully inflated footballs.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-finally-qualifies-for-passing-s tats-leads-nfl-in-every-meaningful-category/


Lee - 10/25/2016 at 12:44 PM

You talk too much....


gondicar - 10/25/2016 at 02:54 PM

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You talk too much....

How do you know, you've never heard me talk.


jszfunk - 10/26/2016 at 11:34 AM








Lee - 10/26/2016 at 06:30 PM

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You talk too much....

How do you know, you've never heard me talk.


Done on purpose cuz you people talk funny!


porkchopbob - 10/27/2016 at 08:22 PM

I moved recently so I've missed picks for a few weeks (and my tv broke in the moving truck). It's been a pretty quiet season all around. Not a whole lot for any team to get excited about except maybe Dallas and New England and Minnesota. Oakland has been a solid surprise as well. Maybe I've just been watching fewer games this year than usual. There have been a number of reports that NFL ratings are down this season and talking heads seem to like to attribute it to the anthem protests, but as a fan, I just not finding this season as exciting overall.

The Philly-Dallas game should be a good one, 2 rookie QBs, division game. Dallas has 2 weeks of rest and hasn't lost to The Lions yet. Could flip a coin on that pick.

Jacksonville Tennessee (um, Tenn, I guess)
Washington Cincinnati (Wash)
Kansas City Indianapolis (KC)
Oakland Tampa Bay (Oakland)
Seattle New Orleans (Seattle)
Detroit Houston (Detroit)
New York Cleveland (Browns for the "upset")
New England Buffalo (NE)
Arizona Carolina (Arizona)
San Diego Denver (Denver)
Green Bay Atlanta (GB)
Philadelphia Dallas (Dallas)

Minnesota Chicago (Minn)


jszfunk - 10/28/2016 at 11:07 AM

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Not a whole lot for any team to get excited about except maybe Dallas and New England and Minnesota


Yeah, I agree. It looks like NE and Dallas are the two most consistently potent teams. After that you probably could lump in Denver, Oak, Minn and that's about it. The others seem to be inconsistent.


Lee - 10/28/2016 at 12:10 PM

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There have been a number of reports that NFL ratings are down this season and talking heads seem to like to attribute it to the anthem protests, but as a fan, I just not finding this season as exciting overall.


I have heard of this as well. I disagree with the premise about the anthem nonsense causing a lack of interest. The league and owners will still make billions and the players will make millions.


gondicar - 10/28/2016 at 12:52 PM

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There have been a number of reports that NFL ratings are down this season and talking heads seem to like to attribute it to the anthem protests, but as a fan, I just not finding this season as exciting overall.


I have heard of this as well. I disagree with the premise about the anthem nonsense causing a lack of interest. The league and owners will still make billions and the players will make millions.

I think it is a combination of things...first and foremost the product itself, with a few exceptions, is just not good, or at least not as good as fans expect. I would also include the fact that the officiating gets worse and worse and the reviews are too frequent and too long, the absolute failure leadership by Goodell and the rest of the numskulls in charge in dealing with player discipline (and I'm not even talking about deflategate), and then somewhere down the list is the anthem stuff (I think it is a factor for some, just not a big one overall).


Lee - 10/28/2016 at 01:20 PM

I agree with you.

The officiating is just awful. Awful. What is a penalty and what isn't? Shouldn't these guys know that?

And the fines and penalties against players make no sense. You can beat your wife and get penalized more games for some sort of PED? Makes no sense.


gondicar - 10/28/2016 at 01:30 PM

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I agree with you.




jszfunk - 10/28/2016 at 03:06 PM

I think as technology keeps advancing as far as replays and etc, the ref's
will be scrutinized to no end about getting everything perfect. I do agree there are times when
it is very important/needed and valued. But ya know what, you win some and lose some, it stinks but that's the way it is. Some fans may feel they
are being victimized by poor calls and complain about it whether its on the field or off
of it. I don't get into politics of sports all that much, but I guess that's what the Whipping post is for here, to beat your opinion into the ground that you are right. Its just a game folks, don't get to butt hurt about it.

No ref is ever going to be perfect and there will be never be a perfect called game.
I guess if you want to extract the human element out of the game and have ever penalty
replayed, you might want to pack a lunch and dinner , cause its going to be a looonnnggg game.
You cant have it both ways. I know I would not want to be a ref. Trying to make a call in a split
second of action is not an easy thing to do.


Lee - 10/30/2016 at 12:14 PM

Looking forward to today's games. Some interesting ones. I am especially intrigued by the Pats/Bills game. While I hated to do it, in my pick 'em pool I took the Pats giving 5.5. I checked the line this morning and it is up to 7 in Vegas. Obviously everyone is taking them.

And given what Buffalo did to them already this season, I am not surprised.


Lee - 10/30/2016 at 12:27 PM

I also like the Jets to kill Cleveland. The Browns are just God awful.

Nice that we get to watch football this morning too! I picked Washington.


Lee - 10/30/2016 at 12:33 PM

quote:
I think as technology keeps advancing as far as replays and etc, the ref's
will be scrutinized to no end about getting everything perfect. I do agree there are times when
it is very important/needed and valued. But ya know what, you win some and lose some, it stinks but that's the way it is. Some fans may feel they
are being victimized by poor calls and complain about it whether its on the field or off
of it. I don't get into politics of sports all that much, but I guess that's what the Whipping post is for here, to beat your opinion into the ground that you are right. Its just a game folks, don't get to butt hurt about it.

No ref is ever going to be perfect and there will be never be a perfect called game.
I guess if you want to extract the human element out of the game and have ever penalty
replayed, you might want to pack a lunch and dinner , cause its going to be a looonnnggg game.
You cant have it both ways. I know I would not want to be a ref. Trying to make a call in a split
second of action is not an easy thing to do.



No offense at all but I think you may be overreacting a bit. I don't think anybody that posts here is trying to change anyone's thoughts, just offering an opinion. We got instant replay which is a help but when they can look a play again and still get it wrong? I do have a problem there.


nebish - 10/30/2016 at 04:30 PM

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I also like the Jets to kill Cleveland. The Browns are just God awful.


I know I like that too, just seems like the biggest sucker line of the year. Head says Jets win, gut says buyer beware.


Lee - 10/30/2016 at 08:26 PM

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I also like the Jets to kill Cleveland. The Browns are just God awful.


I know I like that too, just seems like the biggest sucker line of the year. Head says Jets win, gut says buyer beware.



Moot point. Jets gave up a meaningless TD at the end so they pushed.


gondicar - 10/31/2016 at 02:15 AM

Goodell Reacts to the Patriots Week 8 Drubbing of the Bills...

https://youtu.be/my9hXERtrhY


LeglizHemp - 10/31/2016 at 01:07 PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2672883-bills-fan-appears-to-throw-sex-t oy-on-field-during-game-vs-patriots?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=refer ral&utm_campaign=editorial


gondicar - 10/31/2016 at 02:38 PM

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2672883-bills-fan-appears-to-throw -sex-toy-on-field-during-game-vs-patriots?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium =referral&utm_campaign=editorial




Haaaaaaa!!!


Lee - 10/31/2016 at 09:01 PM

Did anyone see/hear Jay Gruden's post game press conference? He said he didn't know an NFL game could end in a tie. I sure hope he was kidding!


IPowrie - 10/31/2016 at 09:16 PM

Bad coaching cost the Lions the game yesterday. If they don't have a winning record I think they'll be looking for a new coach.


jszfunk - 10/31/2016 at 09:46 PM

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Did anyone see/hear Jay Gruden's post game press conference? He said he didn't know an NFL game could end in a tie. I sure hope he was kidding!




That's scary if he did not...maybe Chuckie needs to give him some pointers.


jszfunk - 10/31/2016 at 09:47 PM

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Bad coaching cost the Lions the game yesterday. If they don't have a winning record I think they'll be looking for a new coach.


I think that was part of the reason why he lost his job here in Indy.


gondicar - 11/1/2016 at 04:49 PM

Sorry Jamie Collins, but in Bill we trust!





[Edited on 11/1/2016 by gondicar]


nebish - 11/1/2016 at 11:47 PM

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I also like the Jets to kill Cleveland. The Browns are just God awful.


I know I like that too, just seems like the biggest sucker line of the year. Head says Jets win, gut says buyer beware.



Moot point. Jets gave up a meaningless TD at the end so they pushed.


Do you have a local or online book?

We use scoresandodds.com for numbers. Jets were never higher than 2.5 there all weekend.

Half points matter as we know. We I go to Vegas I'll walk the strip to save a half point somewhere, never know when it will be the difference between a win-loss-or push.

Not trying to make you feel bad about it, please don't take it the wrong way. Just wondering were your 3 was at.


gondicar - 11/3/2016 at 03:52 PM

Most pro athletes retire before they hit 39, this one is just getting better and better....



(this is Brady's 9th Offensive Player of the Month award, which is the most in league history)






[Edited on 11/3/2016 by gondicar]


nebish - 11/3/2016 at 05:02 PM

I forgot, I'm usually the first to say how bad Jay Cutler sucks, but Monday night, he looked really good huh? So I'm sure he is due for a 2 INT and a fumble next game.


Lee - 11/6/2016 at 01:25 PM

I can't decide who is worse, the Browns or the Bears. I guess I would go with the Browns. They are probably the most mismanaged organization in all of sports. Although the Bears are right there.


jszfunk - 11/6/2016 at 06:17 PM

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I guess I would go with the Browns. They are probably the most mismanaged organization in all of sports. Although the Bears are right there.




Well the Colts are not a far 2nd for being mismanaged. They traded a 1st round pick to Cleveland for Richardson and the Browns used that to draft Manziel. Yikes! Who got the short end on that one?!?

Ryan Grigson has botched Indy's roster so bad over the last 5 yrs its gonna take another 3 to rebuild this mess. He is also in the process of ruining Andrew Luck.


gondicar - 11/7/2016 at 01:38 PM

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I guess I would go with the Browns. They are probably the most mismanaged organization in all of sports. Although the Bears are right there.




Well the Colts are not a far 2nd for being mismanaged. They traded a 1st round pick to Cleveland for Richardson and the Browns used that to draft Manziel. Yikes! Who got the short end on that one?!?

Ryan Grigson has botched Indy's roster so bad over the last 5 yrs its gonna take another 3 to rebuild this mess. He is also in the process of ruining Andrew Luck.


They had a pretty big win against the Pack yesterday.


LeglizHemp - 11/7/2016 at 02:49 PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2674463-more-than-just-for-real-the-raid ers-show-theyre-a-real-super-bowl-threat

More Than Just for Real, the Raiders Show They're a Real Super Bowl Threat
By Mike Freeman , NFL National Lead Writer Nov 7, 2016

It's no longer correct to say the Oakland Raiders are for real. This is obvious. We know this. The sky is blue and there's some sort of election this week. Duh.

It's time to look at a bigger picture with the Raiders, much bigger, and two parts of that picture in particular. First, the league is better when the Raiders are good. This is a simple fact. It's a characteristic of the Raider genome that a good Oakland team is swashbuckling and sexy, liable to punch you in the mouth or run by you.

The Raiders are fun. The Raiders are important. This makes the NFL eminently more watchable.

Second, and perhaps more important, the Raiders are not just for real, they are a Super Bowl threat. If you can't see that, you're the one with a patch over your eye.

Yes, sure, the Raiders are highly flawed. In their previous game, they committed a record one cabillion penalties. Their defense, at times, has more leaks than the FBI. Their rotund kicker, Sebastian Janikowski, has been missing kicks at an usual clip.

The team may also move to Las Vegas. Sure, no distractions there.

But the Raiders have something in abundance, and you saw it in the team's 30-20 win over Denver on Sunday night: guts. They may have cracks and faults, but they've got guts and guts is enough in the mess that is the AFC.

They play with a combination of joy and recklessness. They're the AFC's version of the Cowboys. They don't know they're not supposed to win. They don't care that everyone predicted they'd stink. They just play hard and crazy and aggressive.

You saw all of the various great and flawed machinations of the Raiders against Denver. That offense burned a good Denver defense. At the half, while the score was 20-10, it could have easily been 40-10. That offense can dominate any defense, but the miscues and penalties make them fallible.

But man are they fun to watch and boy are they a legit threat. A real, hardcore Super Bowl threat.

Can they beat the Patriots at Foxborough in a title game? Probably not. No team can make the large number of mistakes the Raiders do and still beat Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. The Raiders would make it interesting, though. They would give any team fits, including the Patriots.

They ran for over 200 yards against the Broncos, the best defense in football. Anything is possible with this team.

"We're going forward," running back Latavius Murray, who had three rushing touchdowns, told NBC after the contest. "This is a new team. A new mindset."

A winning one. We haven't seen that with the Raiders in quite some time.

Yes, one reason why the Raiders are legitimate is the conference is a mess. The Ravens and Steelers are 4-4. The Texans are 5-3, but they are quarterbacked by Mock Osweiler. They're no threat.

The best teams in the AFC not named the Patriots are in the Raiders' division. Kansas City beat Oakland in October, but the Raiders are the better team now, just three weeks later.

The Broncos defense, as NBC reported, since the beginning of 2015, has been ranked first in opposing passer rating, passing yards allowed, pass yards per play and sacks. Denver's defense has been the gold standard, yet the Raiders ran the football at will against Denver on Sunday night, and quarterback Derek Carr looked like Ken Stabler.

The Broncos are also physically banged up, and they can't put up enough points to stay with Oakland. For now, Trevor Siemian just isn't good enough.

You saw typical Raiders as they built a commanding 10-point halftime lead, and you saw typical Raiders as they allowed the Broncos to hang around in the third quarter. Then, with just over seven minutes left in the fourth, the Raiders looked to have the game well in hand after sacking Siemian and recovering his fumble. On the next play, Carr almost threw an interception—T.J. Ward's pick was overturned after review.

The Raiders recovered from that close call to score and make it 30-13. Less than a minute later, they gave up a touchdown on a 69-yard screen where the Raiders tackled like the Colts. Oakland snatched the life from the Broncos and then tried to give that life right back.

The Raiders are at times as flighty as they are gutsy.

The talent though...the explosiveness...the raw, nuclear energy. It's all there. The Raiders are tied with the Patriots and Cowboys atop the NFL with seven wins. All there, definitely. So is the coaching. It would be a mistake not to make Jack Del Rio one of the leading candidates for Coach of the Year.

So here we are again, all these years after the Raiders lost in the Super Bowl to the coach they traded away, Jon Gruden, and after years of irrelevance and mockery—no winning season since 2002—the Raiders are good again. The Raiders are important again.

And yes, the Raiders are Super Bowl contenders again.


gondicar - 11/7/2016 at 03:11 PM

I would be more impressed with the Raiders win yesterday if it had been in Denver, but nevertheless they look like they are for real this year...the running backs are impressive.


porkchopbob - 11/7/2016 at 03:20 PM

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I can't decide who is worse, the Browns or the Bears. I guess I would go with the Browns. They are probably the most mismanaged organization in all of sports. Although the Bears are right there.




Definitely the Browns, the Bears have at least been competitive in a few season during the past decade (NFC Champs in 2006, NFC Championship appearance in 2010).

The Browns have (I think) 1 playoff appearance and 2 seasons with a winning record since their 1999 "rebirth". God knows how many coaches and starting QBs. Any franchise that gave Eric Mangini a 2nd shot is not to be trusted.


porkchopbob - 11/7/2016 at 03:28 PM

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I guess I would go with the Browns. They are probably the most mismanaged organization in all of sports. Although the Bears are right there.




Well the Colts are not a far 2nd for being mismanaged. They traded a 1st round pick to Cleveland for Richardson and the Browns used that to draft Manziel. Yikes! Who got the short end on that one?!?

Ryan Grigson has botched Indy's roster so bad over the last 5 yrs its gonna take another 3 to rebuild this mess. He is also in the process of ruining Andrew Luck.


They had a pretty big win against the Pack yesterday.



That was a mind-bogglingly frustrating game. For 3 quarters, it felt like Green Bay was winning even though we were down by 20 points (winning the battles, not the war). Indy had a couple of nice quick TD drives, but it was their D that kept Green Bay out of the end zone on some solid drives of their own. Green Bay's passing game has been painful to watch, every completed pass feels like an act of God. That loss drops us into 3rd place in the North. Packers can still make some noise, but they need to right their offense quickly.

And now Minnesota and Philly have come crashing down to earth. Lots of 4-5 and 5-4 teams that are looking pretty mediocre, not counting Dallas, Oakland, and New England. The season is getting a little interesting, this is why fans can't give up after 4 games.


gondicar - 11/7/2016 at 03:31 PM

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The Browns have (I think) 1 playoff appearance and 2 seasons with a winning record since their 1999 "rebirth". God knows how many coaches and starting QBs.

According to this, they've started 26 different QBs since 1999.


jszfunk - 11/7/2016 at 03:48 PM

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I guess I would go with the Browns. They are probably the most mismanaged organization in all of sports. Although the Bears are right there.




Well the Colts are not a far 2nd for being mismanaged. They traded a 1st round pick to Cleveland for Richardson and the Browns used that to draft Manziel. Yikes! Who got the short end on that one?!?

Ryan Grigson has botched Indy's roster so bad over the last 5 yrs its gonna take another 3 to rebuild this mess. He is also in the process of ruining Andrew Luck.


They had a pretty big win against the Pack yesterday.



Yeah it was nice, but they will have to back it up when they come back from the bye week or it will be all for naught.


jszfunk - 11/7/2016 at 04:02 PM

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I guess I would go with the Browns. They are probably the most mismanaged organization in all of sports. Although the Bears are right there.




Well the Colts are not a far 2nd for being mismanaged. They traded a 1st round pick to Cleveland for Richardson and the Browns used that to draft Manziel. Yikes! Who got the short end on that one?!?

Ryan Grigson has botched Indy's roster so bad over the last 5 yrs its gonna take another 3 to rebuild this mess. He is also in the process of ruining Andrew Luck.


They had a pretty big win against the Pack yesterday.



That was a mind-bogglingly frustrating game. For 3 quarters, it felt like Green Bay was winning even though we were down by 20 points (winning the battles, not the war). Indy had a couple of nice quick TD drives, but it was their D that kept Green Bay out of the end zone on some solid drives of their own. Green Bay's passing game has been painful to watch, every completed pass feels like an act of God. That loss drops us into 3rd place in the North. Packers can still make some noise, but they need to right their offense quickly.

And now Minnesota and Philly have come crashing down to earth. Lots of 4-5 and 5-4 teams that are looking pretty mediocre, not counting Dallas, Oakland, and New England. The season is getting a little interesting, this is why fans can't give up after 4 games.


I thought the Packers offense looked out of sync. I thought after last weeks game they would have dropped 40 plus on the Colts. It seemed like for the 1st quarter and part of the 2nd Luck had the football glued in his hand a little to long. Not sure if he had trouble reading the D or the DB's of GB had tight coverage or what.

At time he reminds of Brett Favre, trying to hard to force/make a big play and it bites him. Brett did that is whole career. Gotta take the good with the bad sometimes with these qb's, but most of the time it out weighs the bad thank God.



Big win for Detroit yesterday.
Philly is 1-3 in they're last 4 games, Minn has dropped three straight I believe.
Ravens, Steelers and Cincy are all right there together.

I think the Seahawks and Bills play tonight.


jszfunk - 11/7/2016 at 04:03 PM

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The Browns have (I think) 1 playoff appearance and 2 seasons with a winning record since their 1999 "rebirth". God knows how many coaches and starting QBs.

According to this, they've started 26 different QBs since 1999.


I remember reading that awhile back. I wonder how many were first round picks!?


gondicar - 11/7/2016 at 04:39 PM

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I think the Seahawks and Bills play tonight.

Yep, and wouldn't mind seeing the Seahawks put another check in the loss column for the AFC East Bills. Seattle is on national TV two weeks in a row, they play the Pats on Sunday night next week.


gondicar - 11/8/2016 at 06:15 PM

Where's the outrage?!? Where's the investigation?!?

http://www.12up.com/posts/4080117-more-images-surface-of-clearly-deflated-f ootballs-from-seattle-last-night

Actually, the bigger outrage, if I'm a Buffalo fan, is the absolutely atrocious officiating...I don't think I've ever seen the compounding of officiating errors like what happened at the end of the half. The Bills got screwed big time.

Looks like Seattle is getting healthy at the right time (just in time for a trip to Foxboro and a SB rematch on Sunday night), those two 1-handed TD grabs by Graham were insane.

PS - John Gruden has jumped the shark, I can't stand listening to him anymore.

[Edited on 11/8/2016 by gondicar]


jszfunk - 11/8/2016 at 11:38 PM

I saw what Richard Sherman did, but I dont' know the whole story about that call and what transpired from there. I guess he was not flagged for unnecessary roughness.



[Edited on 11/8/2016 by jszfunk]


porkchopbob - 11/9/2016 at 12:07 AM

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I thought the Packers offense looked out of sync. I thought after last weeks game they would have dropped 40 plus on the Colts. It seemed like for the 1st quarter and part of the 2nd Luck had the football glued in his hand a little to long. Not sure if he had trouble reading the D or the DB's of GB had tight coverage or what.

At time he reminds of Brett Favre, trying to hard to force/make a big play and it bites him. Brett did that is whole career. Gotta take the good with the bad sometimes with these qb's, but most of the time it out weighs the bad thank God.




Yeah, I thought Packers would have had a little momentum, but the offense looked flat. If I knew what was exactly wrong with the O, they'd probably hire me. Half the time Rodgers is overthrowing, half the time his receivers aren't bringing the ball home. Still only 1 game out of 1st, still time to right the ship.

And having watched a lot of Favre and Rodgers, there is a big difference: Rodgers takes care of the ball. When he gets picked off, it's usually already in a state of frustration, trying to make something happen. Favre could be careless. Part of the excitement with Favre was holding your breath every time the ball left his hands. With Rodgers, you expect him to complete every throw. That pick Rodgers threw was just a great read by the D, safety knew where it was going the whole time and jumped the pass.


jszfunk - 11/9/2016 at 11:47 AM

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I thought the Packers offense looked out of sync. I thought after last weeks game they would have dropped 40 plus on the Colts. It seemed like for the 1st quarter and part of the 2nd Luck had the football glued in his hand a little to long. Not sure if he had trouble reading the D or the DB's of GB had tight coverage or what.

At time he reminds of Brett Favre, trying to hard to force/make a big play and it bites him. Brett did that is whole career. Gotta take the good with the bad sometimes with these qb's, but most of the time it out weighs the bad thank God.




Yeah, I thought Packers would have had a little momentum, but the offense looked flat. If I knew what was exactly wrong with the O, they'd probably hire me. Half the time Rodgers is overthrowing, half the time his receivers aren't bringing the ball home. Still only 1 game out of 1st, still time to right the ship.

And having watched a lot of Favre and Rodgers, there is a big difference: Rodgers takes care of the ball. When he gets picked off, it's usually already in a state of frustration, trying to make something happen. Favre could be careless. Part of the excitement with Favre was holding your breath every time the ball left his hands. With Rodgers, you expect him to complete every throw. That pick Rodgers threw was just a great read by the D, safety knew where it was going the whole time and jumped the pass.


Sorry, I meant Luck reminds me Favre at times, not Rodgers. I believe Rodgers is head and shoulders above both, just my opinion.


Lee - 11/14/2016 at 01:20 PM

Don't look now but the Lions are in first place!


Sang - 11/14/2016 at 03:42 PM

Ok, we won't look............


porkchopbob - 11/14/2016 at 05:40 PM

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Don't look now but the Lions are in first place!


Ugh, Packers look terrible. Their defense was their lone bright spot while their offense sputtered. And then they give up 47 points to the freakin' Titans. I usually don't throw in the towel, and they are only a game out of first in a baaaad division, but it looks like the wheels have come off. Especially with 3 divisions games plus the Eagles, Seahawks, and Texans on the horizon. Some serious change needs to happen if they want to right this ship.


jszfunk - 11/14/2016 at 11:49 PM

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Don't look now but the Lions are in first place!


Ugh, Packers look terrible. Their defense was their lone bright spot while their offense sputtered. And then they give up 47 points to the freakin' Titans. I usually don't throw in the towel, and they are only a game out of first in a baaaad division, but it looks like the wheels have come off. Especially with 3 divisions games plus the Eagles, Seahawks, and Texans on the horizon. Some serious change needs to happen if they want to right this ship.


Yeah, I was shocked about Tenn dropping that many points on them. Ouch!!

Glad to see the Seahawks beat NE on they're home turf.


DanB - 11/15/2016 at 10:48 AM

Steelers suck. DB's can't tackle


Lee - 11/15/2016 at 02:00 PM

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Steelers suck. DB's can't tackle



Calm down. They aren't that bad. They still have the best QB, RB, WR trio in the league.


LeglizHemp - 11/15/2016 at 03:54 PM

http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/snake-s-corvette/

SNAKE'S CORVETTE
In this excerpt from Mike Freeman's new biography of the late, great Raider, Ken Stabler and his new car drive Bear Bryant crazy.


jszfunk - 11/16/2016 at 11:39 AM

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Steelers suck. DB's can't tackle



Calm down. They aren't that bad. They still have the best QB, RB, WR trio in the league.



Yeah I agree, I would not count them out. They also have an excellent coach.


jszfunk - 11/16/2016 at 11:41 AM

Tony Romo Reads Statement Regarding QB Role

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2016/11/15/tony-romo-reads-statement-reg arding-qb-role


Lee - 11/16/2016 at 02:12 PM

I think Romo's statement was very classy. Not a Cowboy fan at all but I think that guy has taken a lot of guff over the years.


porkchopbob - 11/16/2016 at 05:02 PM

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I think Romo's statement was very classy. Not a Cowboy fan at all but I think that guy has taken a lot of guff over the years.



I think Bledsoe wrote it 10 years ago.

But seriously, the Cowboys have no choice. Dak is having an amazing season, better than the Cowboys ever looked with Romo under center, and they had a couple of solid seasons. Should be interesting, the NFC East is probably the toughest division in the conference (and the AFC West is the best in the AFC? - the tides turn fast in the NFL).


jszfunk - 11/21/2016 at 12:49 PM

I might be forgetting something, but its been awhile since I have seen the NFL have all three games being meaningful where teams are jockeying for playoff positions, aspirations and all the teams seem to be pretty decent too for the most past.


Lee - 11/24/2016 at 01:46 PM

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I might be forgetting something, but its been awhile since I have seen the NFL have all three games being meaningful where teams are jockeying for playoff positions, aspirations and all the teams seem to be pretty decent too for the most past.


Too bad Luck is out for your Colts. The line moved from 2.5 to 9.5. I had forgotten all about that kid filling in until I heard one of the ESPN guys mentioned he went to Wisconsin. Should be a good day to get fat, open your pants and watch TV.


jszfunk - 11/25/2016 at 03:56 PM

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I might be forgetting something, but its been awhile since I have seen the NFL have all three games being meaningful where teams are jockeying for playoff positions, aspirations and all the teams seem to be pretty decent too for the most past.


Too bad Luck is out for your Colts. The line moved from 2.5 to 9.5. I had forgotten all about that kid filling in until I heard one of the ESPN guys mentioned he went to Wisconsin. Should be a good day to get fat, open your pants and watch TV.


Yeah Tolzien played as about as best he could and gave them a chance to stay in the game, but as usual , its the rest as the team that stinks. Not sure if the colts would have won even if Luck was there. Pitt has owned them the last few years.


Lee - 11/25/2016 at 05:28 PM

Colts defense is awful. Offensive line isn't much better. Lots of problems with your team.


jszfunk - 11/25/2016 at 09:19 PM

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Colts defense is awful. Offensive line isn't much better. Lots of problems with your team.




Yeah . I think alot of it falls on Grgison the gm , and ultimatley Irsay for reupping on his contract this year. I think Both he and Zchuck will be gone. I feel sorry for Luck , he has taken a beating at the expensive of all of that. The Colts are gonna ruin him.


nebish - 11/29/2016 at 03:50 AM

Hemp, I don't think I have won a fantasy week since you posted me about the league! You jinxed me!

3 weeks ago I had Elliot go off on the Steelers and I lost that week. Two weeks ago DanB got the 3 TD Dak-to-Dez connection going...and then this week my team has scored almost 100 points, but I'm losing to somebody who isn't even trying to win!


Sang - 11/29/2016 at 04:46 AM

Is Bhawk in that league too?


jszfunk - 12/5/2016 at 12:29 PM

Some of these divisions are getting tight. Might come down to the final weekend for some.


Bhawk - 12/5/2016 at 03:25 PM

This Eric Berry kid looks to be pretty good.


porkchopbob - 12/5/2016 at 04:10 PM

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Some of these divisions are getting tight. Might come down to the final weekend for some.


I love that most division games are in December. One of the best things the NFL has done.

It's really looking like Oakland, New England, and Dallas (and everybody else). Quite a comeback the Raiders pulled off yesterday.


Lee - 12/5/2016 at 10:56 PM

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Some of these divisions are getting tight. Might come down to the final weekend for some.


I love that most division games are in December. One of the best things the NFL has done.

It's really looking like Oakland, New England, and Dallas (and everybody else). Quite a comeback the Raiders pulled off yesterday.


I agree that the end of season divisional games have a better chance of making the divisions matter more. Great job by the NFL to do that.


jszfunk - 12/6/2016 at 01:14 PM

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Some of these divisions are getting tight. Might come down to the final weekend for some.




It's really looking like Oakland, New England, and Dallas (and everybody else). Quite a comeback the Raiders pulled off yesterday.


Yeah I agree those teams are all very strong. But there might be a few to sneak up on you ,like
KC, Seattle, Atlanta ,Pitt can be dangerous with Ben back and they always seem to get rolling toward playoff time, maybe Detroit. I think the schedule favored some of these teams too.


porkchopbob - 12/6/2016 at 02:12 PM

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Yeah I agree those teams are all very strong. But there might be a few to sneak up on you ,like
KC, Seattle, Atlanta ,Pitt can be dangerous with Ben back and they always seem to get rolling toward playoff time, maybe Detroit. I think the schedule favored some of these teams too.


Oh I'm sure. I am not looking forward to seeing my Packers play the Seahawks. KC and Atlanta are having nice seasons, but I don't know anyone who is afraid to play them.

And yeah, Detroit is 8-4, but, I mean, c'mon, it's Detroit. They actually might take the division (Giants, Cowboys, Packers stand in their way with a 2-game lead). Packers would likely have to win out and get some help, but the Vikings have a pretty easy end of the season schedule.

It's all about who gets hot in December.


Lee - 12/6/2016 at 03:06 PM

Yeah, you have a point about my Lions. I can't get too excited.


piacere - 12/8/2016 at 01:59 PM

what happened to this thread?

you guys need more cookies and milk, maybe pet a dog?

cripes.

where's MacKenzie?

It's going to be a Patriots-Cowboys super bowl.

Snap out of it.


gotdrumz - 12/9/2016 at 05:49 AM

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It's going to be a Patriots-Cowboys super bowl.


Only if the Dallas offensive line stays healthy and the Pat's don't get caught for whatever type of cheating they are up to now. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

Been a Raiders fan since 1969, so Go Raiders !


piacere - 12/10/2016 at 05:22 AM

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It's going to be a Patriots-Cowboys super bowl.


Only if the Dallas offensive line stays healthy and the Pat's don't get caught for whatever type of cheating they are up to now. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

Been a Raiders fan since 1969, so Go Raiders !




yeah yeah yeah.

Brother Jamez hey man, what do you think of Kanade Sato? youtube her doing "It's about time" and "Lupin the third", tell me what you think. I first heard that girl a month or so ago and I'm impressed with the girl. Not quite a Senri but I love her style. Curious what your opinion is.

Laterz.


Sang - 12/10/2016 at 05:39 AM

Cookies and milk sounds good........


Redfish7 - 12/10/2016 at 04:43 PM

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It's going to be a Patriots-Cowboys super bowl.


Only if the Dallas offensive line stays healthy and the Pat's don't get caught for whatever type of cheating they are up to now. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

Been a Raiders fan since 1969, so Go Raiders !




So do you guys think the Dallas defense is good enough for them to make a Super Bowl run? The defense really seems like the weak link, and you know the saying about "defense wins championships". They don't have much (if anything) in the way of a consistent pass rusher(s) and the coverage downfield seems very inconsistent at times. It's a very conservative, "bend don't break" type of defense that doesn't put a lot of pressure on opposing QBs. They seem to get the job done when they have to, but I wouldn't exactly say they are a great, Super Bowl caliber defense.


Lee - 12/10/2016 at 05:08 PM

So they aren't The Steel Curtain or The Purple People Eaters. They are okay. Perhaps they can win it on offense. It's pretty explosive on multiple fronts.

Not a Cowboy fan but they have been fun to watch this year. How cool would it be if The Super bowl was Raiders/Cowboys?

70s flashback.


Redfish7 - 12/10/2016 at 05:26 PM

I'm a diehard Cowboy fan, always have been...been with them a long time, all through the 20+ year drought...so I wholeheartedly agree that it would be cool to see a Cowboys/Raiders super bowl, or a Cowboys/Steelers, or a Cowboys/anyone super bowl.

But I'm just not sold on that defense...not sure it will be enough to get us all the way. We'll see.


Lee - 12/10/2016 at 05:44 PM

Then bet the over when they play.


Lee - 12/11/2016 at 10:23 PM

The Bears suck. And they screwed me because they covered the spread.


porkchopbob - 12/12/2016 at 04:07 PM

Wow, what a Seahawk beat down. That was beautiful to watch. I savored every moment.

If GB can win the next 2 games, and Detroit trips up on Dallas and NYG (I mean, it's Detroit), it will be a showdown for the division in week 17.


jszfunk - 12/12/2016 at 05:51 PM

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Wow, what a Seahawk beat down. That was beautiful to watch. I savored every moment.

If GB can win the next 2 games, and Detroit trips up on Dallas and NYG (I mean, it's Detroit), it will be a showdown for the division in week 17.


Yeah that was a nice beating. The Pack should be able to the Bears and Vikings. Might be tough on the road in Motown.


Lee - 12/12/2016 at 11:02 PM

No more Jeff Fisher? What a mess.


jszfunk - 12/13/2016 at 05:47 PM

Yeah, I just heard that this morning, not sure what happened, besides they were not very good.


Lee - 12/13/2016 at 07:12 PM

Didn't they just sign him to an extension?


IPowrie - 12/14/2016 at 05:40 PM

The Lions are playing meaningful football in December. That qualifies as a semi successful season. Hoping they make the playoffs and win a playoff game.


Lee - 12/16/2016 at 10:49 AM

Well, the Rams bleeped me last night.

Initially I took Seattle. Then Fisher got fired and the line moved.

So I took the Rams.

Every time I change my mind on a game I lose. Uncanny.


Lee - 12/18/2016 at 01:16 PM

Today could be the coldest game in Soldier Field history for the Bears/Packers showdown.

Was offered free tix. You couldn't pay me to go to this.


piacere - 12/18/2016 at 05:11 PM

"showdown"?

please

you'd go if the Patriots were playing

admit it.

speaking of greatness, Pats looking to wrap up division (again) and a 1st rd. bye today v. Denver

gopats


Lee - 12/18/2016 at 09:29 PM

Didn't want to use the word game twice in the same post.


Turned out to be a very good game. Even though I lost cuz the Packers didn't cover.

Went 1-7 today. So much for being in first place in my pool. Grr.


Lee - 12/18/2016 at 09:34 PM

quote:
"showdown"?

please

you'd go if the Patriots were playing

admit it.

speaking of greatness, Pats looking to wrap up division (again) and a 1st rd. bye today v. Denver

gopats



F*ck the Patriots. And while I am at it, toss the Red Sux in there as well. Might as well add the hockeyball and basketball teams in there too!


porkchopbob - 12/19/2016 at 01:07 PM

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Today could be the coldest game in Soldier Field history for the Bears/Packers showdown.

Was offered free tix. You couldn't pay me to go to this.


Shoot, if I was in the area, I would have. Great game and the Bears STILL SUCK. Watching the game from a bar in south Florida wasn't so bad, I guess.

With everything else in the division coming up Milhouse (Detroit and Minnesota both lost, in addition to Tampa Bay) Green Bay just needs to win out against a spiraling Vikings team and, well, the Detroit Lions, who got easily pushed around by the Giants yesterday. I'm optimistic.


porkchopbob - 12/20/2016 at 02:05 PM

Washington played a dud of a game which puts Green Bay in the driver's seat. Win out, and they get the division. This season got really interesting.

Also, I've never cared about the AFC West much, but it's kind of fun watching the Broncos implode. And nice to see the Titans actually making the AFC South division competitive for a change. Meanwhile, the Jaguars finally fired their coach - will it ever be 1995 in Jacksonville again?


jszfunk - 12/20/2016 at 06:55 PM

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Washington played a dud of a game which puts Green Bay in the driver's seat. Win out, and they get the division. This season got really interesting.

Also, I've never cared about the AFC West much, but it's kind of fun watching the Broncos implode. And nice to see the Titans actually making the AFC South division competitive for a change. Meanwhile, the Jaguars finally fired their coach - will it ever be 1995 in Jacksonville again?


I am not sure if to many teams would want to face GB in the playoffs, they are getting hot and Rodgers is dangerous.

Rumors about Coughlin going back to Jacksonville.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000759853/article/jags-gm-tom-coughlin -a-candidate-for-coaching-job


porkchopbob - 12/21/2016 at 05:05 PM

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Rumors about Coughlin going back to Jacksonville.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000759853/article/jags-gm-tom-coughlin -a-candidate-for-coaching-job


I saw that too. Pretty desperate, like when the Redskins brought back Joe Gibbs, but it might turn around the attitude enough for him to hand the reigns over to the next coach. You hate to see a team completely uncompetitive for so long. It usually means there's a problem upstairs (see Browns, Bears).


jszfunk - 12/21/2016 at 05:46 PM

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Rumors about Coughlin going back to Jacksonville.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000759853/article/jags-gm-tom-coughlin -a-candidate-for-coaching-job


I saw that too. Pretty desperate, like when the Redskins brought back Joe Gibbs, but it might turn around the attitude enough for him to hand the reigns over to the next coach. You hate to see a team completely uncompetitive for so long. It usually means there's a problem upstairs (see Browns, Bears).


I like Coughlin,I hope he succeeds if he does. If he does not go there ,how about Indy if they fire Chuck?!?


emr - 12/21/2016 at 09:06 PM

Coughlin was a great coach; but the last year or two he was in NY he seemed to lose his edge and pulled more than his share of blunders


Lee - 12/24/2016 at 03:42 PM

I've turned down free tix to the Bears at Soldier Field for the second week in a row. They are that bad. Nobody here wants to go.


Muleman1994 - 12/24/2016 at 09:58 PM

News Flash !

The Cleveland Browns have won a football game.


emr - 12/24/2016 at 11:13 PM

Yes; but the Chargers are challenging the score. They claim that "points" are antiquated and that having more yards from scrimmage gives them "the popular vote"


Lee - 12/24/2016 at 11:23 PM

Those Democrats....


porkchopbob - 12/26/2016 at 03:13 PM

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Steelers suck. DB's can't tackle


They seem ok to me. Gotta enjoy winning the division and knocking the Ravens out of playoff contention in the same night.

Packers-Lions is flexed to Sunday night, since it's pretty much the only game that matters this weekend. what a season, Green Bay looked done after giving up TD bombs to the Redskins and dropping to 4-6. Now they might win the division, with thanks to Minnesota imploding and Detroit being, well, the Lions. Definitely nice to see the team tested if they do make it to the playoffs.

Too bad for Oakland and Tennessee both losing their QBs while having their best seasons in years, makes life easier for a few AFC teams.


Lee - 12/26/2016 at 11:28 PM

That Lions-Packers game is going to be interesting. I tried to explain the whole situation to my wife. So the Lions can win tonight and lock in a playoff spot. They can lose to Dallas and still be okay. They can lose tonight, beat the Packers and still win the division. Crazy, huh?


IPowrie - 12/27/2016 at 04:51 AM

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The Lions are playing meaningful football in December. That qualifies as a semi successful season. Hoping they make the playoffs and win a playoff game.


Should have known better than to post that. Probably will miss the playoffs.


porkchopbob - 1/2/2017 at 02:43 PM

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The Lions are playing meaningful football in December. That qualifies as a semi successful season. Hoping they make the playoffs and win a playoff game.


Should have known better than to post that. Probably will miss the playoffs.


Well, the Lions have backed into the playoffs. I actually think they have a good chance against Seattle, so long as their egos aren't too bruised from Giants>Cowboys>Packers in a row. But they match up well against Seattle - if they can get through their shaky O-Line and get Wilson flustered, he'll start throwing picks. Either way, congrats on a solid season.

And thanks to the NY Giants for taking the Redskins out thereby taking the pressure off of the Lions and the Packers. Not that the Redskins ever looked amazing, but that's a pretty poor showing the last few weeks when things were on the line.

Speaking of the Giants, I like Green Bay's chances. In 2011, I knew the Giants would defeat us, even though we were 15-1. In 2011, The Packers had no defense and all the Giants needed to do was slow our offense down (which they did). I am more optimistic with this Packers team, they've been tested, and so long as the Giants don't rain down long bombs on our thing 2ndary (which they certainly are capable of) I think we'll be ok at home. Still, won't be a walk in the park, and the Giants have done it before.

Hard to get interested in the Raiders-Texans game now that both teams are starting their water boy at QB, that game is a toss up and neither would likely get past the 2nd round. But Pittsburgh is catching fire, should be able to handle Miami now that they are down a QB as well. I'm picking Packers, Lions, Steelers, Texans.

[Edited on 1/2/2017 by porkchopbob]


IPowrie - 1/2/2017 at 08:51 PM

All that needs to said about last night Packers-Lions game is, mother bleeping Aaron Rodgers

Congrats to the Packers


Bhawk - 1/2/2017 at 09:40 PM

Steelers will dispatch Fish in short order, then will come to Arrowhead and Le'Veon Bell will rush for 750 yards against Chiefs defense that has been severely compromised by the season ending injury to Derrick Johnson. Steelers lose to Pats in AFC title game.

Another Packer run has begun, but ultimately Jerry's Boys will take the NFC crown.

Super Bowl LI - Cowboys 34, Patriots 31


piacere - 1/2/2017 at 09:54 PM

...as MacKenzie giggles at the thought.

for now.


jszfunk - 1/5/2017 at 01:16 PM

The Raiders and Texans game should be a barn burner this weekend.


Oakland was really handed a raw deal. Losing Carr now McGloin ,they will start the third string QB and the Texans have Osweiler.


porkchopbob - 1/5/2017 at 02:03 PM

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The Raiders and Texans game should be a barn burner this weekend.


Oakland was really handed a raw deal. Losing Carr now McGloin ,they will start the third string QB and the Texans have Osweiler.


It's a bummer, I always want to see the best teams compete in the playoffs, but Carr's injury really thins out the herd in the AFC (no one is afraid of KC). Plus, with the tenuousness of the Raiders in Oakland, it would be nice to see them get a home playoff game before they have to drive to Vegas in their Darth Vader outfits.


porkchopbob - 1/5/2017 at 08:18 PM


Quarterback Cecil Isbell of the Green Bay Packers is stopped by New York Giants' Frank Cope in NFL title game, Dec. 11, 1939. The Packers won, 27-0, before a crowd of 32,000.

As the 2 teams who have met the most in NFL Championships, here is a great write-up on the Packers-Giants Championship Game History:

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-cliffs-notes/article-1/Packe rs-vs-Giants-No-two-teams-have-met-more-often-in-championship-showdowns/b09 f851b-1338-46b3-8bdd-cceb1af67bc6?campaign=sf49568816_FB_C-Content-GB_CT-Hi story-GB_sf49568816

Here's a real nugget:

quote:
Nov. 24, 1929 (Packers 20, Giants 6 at New York’s Polo Grounds) New York had a population of nearly 7 million; Green Bay, roughly 37,000. The Giants used 19 players; the Packers, 12. Ten of the Packers’ starters played the entire 60 minutes; the other, Jim Bowdoin, played 59 minutes before being removed for a sub.


[Edited on 1/5/2017 by porkchopbob]


jszfunk - 1/6/2017 at 12:50 PM

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The Raiders and Texans game should be a barn burner this weekend.


Oakland was really handed a raw deal. Losing Carr now McGloin ,they will start the third string QB and the Texans have Osweiler.


It's a bummer, I always want to see the best teams compete in the playoffs, but Carr's injury really thins out the herd in the AFC (no one is afraid of KC). Plus, with the tenuousness of the Raiders in Oakland, it would be nice to see them get a home playoff game before they have to drive to Vegas in their Darth Vader outfits.


I agree, I want the best out there and anything to help stop the Pats too.

I guess Tannehill is out against Pitt.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18412570/ryan-tannehill-miami-dolphins-r uled-pittsburgh-steelers-matt-moore-start


porkchopbob - 1/6/2017 at 03:00 PM

quote:
I guess Tannehill is out against Pitt.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18412570/ryan-tannehill-miami-dolphins-r uled-pittsburgh-steelers-matt-moore-start


I didn't even think there was a possibility Tennehill could come back in time.

In other news, Pagano is coming back to Indy. With Tennessee and Houston actually playing well (sort of) lately, 2017 has to be a win or your fired year.

I also realized why I want the Lions to defeat Seattle (other than the Lions could use the playoff win, and I hate the Seahawks). If the Packers and both Lions win, the Lions will go to Dallas on Sunday, and the Packers will go to Atlanta on Saturday (Atlanta is definitely a worse team than Dallas - their defense is awful). Not to get ahead of myself, the Packers do have a tough game they have to win first this weekend against the Giants, but if Seattle and the Packers win this weekend, the Packers will go to Dallas (where I think we can win) but I have Sunshine Music Fest-Boca tickets that day! Leave it to a Jaguars fan to schedule a music fest on an NFL playoff day in January when his team will absolutely be home on the couch!


jszfunk - 1/6/2017 at 05:34 PM

quote:
quote:
I guess Tannehill is out against Pitt.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18412570/ryan-tannehill-miami-dolphins-r uled-pittsburgh-steelers-matt-moore-start


I didn't even think there was a possibility Tennehill could come back in time.

In other news, Pagano is coming back to Indy. With Tennessee and Houston actually playing well (sort of) lately, 2017 has to be a win or your fired year.

I also realized why I want the Lions to defeat Seattle (other than the Lions could use the playoff win, and I hate the Seahawks). If the Packers and both Lions win, the Lions will go to Dallas on Sunday, and the Packers will go to Atlanta on Saturday (Atlanta is definitely a worse team than Dallas - their defense is awful). Not to get ahead of myself, the Packers do have a tough game they have to win first this weekend against the Giants, but if Seattle and the Packers win this weekend, the Packers will go to Dallas (where I think we can win) but I have Sunshine Music Fest-Boca tickets that day! Leave it to a Jaguars fan to schedule a music fest on an NFL playoff day in January when his team will absolutely be home on the couch!




Yeah, really not to surprised by that move. I was expecting just
about anything and everything with Irsay. I do agree it will be a very
short lease next season, do or die time.

Great pic by the way of the Packers and Giants up above ,very cool


Here's another
Ray Nitschke of the Green Bay Packers goes for the sack of quarterback YA 1961 NFL Championship



emr - 1/6/2017 at 06:51 PM

Title took a lot of abuse over the years. Famous picture of his head bleeding I think after a Steelers game his final season


IPowrie - 1/8/2017 at 05:16 AM

With the Lions out I guess I'm pulling for Atlanta.

Found this stat.

In his third playoff start, Matthew Stafford set Lions records for career postseason passing yards and completions. He entered the game needing 136 yards and 17 completions to break Erik Kramer's club records. Of course, it helps that he's one of just three quarterbacks to start three playoff games for Detroit.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2017/01/lions_seahawks_1.html#incart_r iver_index


porkchopbob - 1/8/2017 at 01:42 PM

quote:
With the Lions out I guess I'm pulling for Atlanta.

Found this stat.

In his third playoff start, Matthew Stafford set Lions records for career postseason passing yards and completions. He entered the game needing 136 yards and 17 completions to break Erik Kramer's club records. Of course, it helps that he's one of just three quarterbacks to start three playoff games for Detroit.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2017/01/lions_seahawks_1.html#incart_r iver_index


I really thought that if the Lions could get to Wilson, they had a really good chance. It looked that way early, but then Seattle adjusted and ran the ball down Detroit's throat and the Lions couldn't stop it. Had the Lions been able to move the ball downfield, they would have been ok, but their passing game looked uncharacteristically beyond out of sync. Otherwise, they had a really good chance last night, in spite of seemingly playing against the refs as well.

Oh, and apparently there was an AFC game. The Texans will be the sacrifice next week, and the Raiders have been sent home.


dimplesjbc - 1/8/2017 at 03:05 PM

quote:
quote:
With the Lions out I guess I'm pulling for Atlanta.

Found this stat.

In his third playoff start, Matthew Stafford set Lions records for career postseason passing yards and completions. He entered the game needing 136 yards and 17 completions to break Erik Kramer's club records. Of course, it helps that he's one of just three quarterbacks to start three playoff games for Detroit.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2017/01/lions_seahawks_1.html#incart_r iver_index



I really thought that if the Lions could get to Wilson, they had a really good chance. It looked that way early, but then Seattle adjusted and ran the ball down Detroit's throat and the Lions couldn't stop it. Had the Lions been able to move the ball downfield, they would have been ok, but their passing game looked uncharacteristically beyond out of sync. Otherwise, they had a really good chance last night, in spite of seemingly playing against the refs as well.

Oh, and apparently there was an AFC game. The Texans will be the sacrifice next week, and the Raiders have been sent home.



dimplesjbc - 1/8/2017 at 03:06 PM



[Edited on 1/8/2017 by dimplesjbc]


dimplesjbc - 1/8/2017 at 03:08 PM

LOL , If Seattle didn't have their typical slow start it would have been a bigger blow out .


jszfunk - 1/9/2017 at 12:42 PM

Snoozers this weekend for the most part. Packers v Giants game was decent , but other than that, nothing.


dimplesjbc - 1/9/2017 at 12:48 PM

quote:
Snoozers this weekend for the most part. Packers v Giants game was decent , but other than that, nothing.


I believe it was mentioned that it was the first time in 35 years that the first round games were all blowouts , very disappointing for sure ,


jszfunk - 1/9/2017 at 01:12 PM

quote:
quote:
Snoozers this weekend for the most part. Packers v Giants game was decent , but other than that, nothing.


I believe it was mentioned that it was the first time in 35 years that the first round games were all blowouts , very disappointing for sure ,


I guess it goes to show that how important a QB is.

Tannehill out
Oakland out it's first and 2nd string
Texans-Oswelier, but played decent this weekend.
Stafford playing injured.


IPowrie - 1/9/2017 at 01:53 PM

quote:
LOL , If Seattle didn't have their typical slow start it would have been a bigger blow out .


If the refs called a face mask on Seattle's 1st TD maybe the Lions stop them from scoring.

Detroit did set an NFL record for most playoff loses in a row. That's one thing the franchise is good at.


heineken515 - 1/9/2017 at 01:55 PM

Pretty amazing how many successful Hail Mary's Rodgers has.


porkchopbob - 1/9/2017 at 02:02 PM

quote:
Snoozers this weekend for the most part. Packers v Giants game was decent , but other than that, nothing.


Well, I thought it was a pretty awesome game. Up until the 3rd quarter it was a pretty nice defensive battle. Green Bay got some separation with the hail mary before the half, and NYG made a game out of it after GB failed on the 4th and short call, which was kind of bone-headed, but no one cares since the Packers rolled after that.

Considering 3 of the 8 wild card weekend teams were down starting QBs, it's not too surprising the rest of the games were skippable. Next week should be a little more interesting.

Seattle @Atlanta
No one is scared of Atlanta. Their defense is awful. Matt Ryan is just an ok QB. Their offense put up some big numbers this season in close, high scoring games. They are 2-2 against teams that made the playoffs, with close scores of 35-28, 26-24, 33-32, 29-28. They are 5-1 against a horrible NFC South. Seattle might not be the titan they were a couple of years ago, but no one is afraid to go into the Georgia Dome. The Falcons might put up some points, but I think Seattle can handle them.
SEA

Houston @New England
Pats. Duh.
NE

Pittsburgh @KC
Houston might have gotten a playoff win thanks to Derek Carr's season-ending injury, but no team benefited more than KC, who were able to leap from their division rival (whom they also swept) for the West crown and a bye. But Andy Reid is their coach, and they lost to the 2 other playoff teams they played (Pittsburgh, Houston). Plus the Steelers are rolling right now.
PITT

Green Bay @Dallas
Dallas has had a great season thus far, and Dak Prescott is clearly the QB of the future for them. They are 2-3 against playoff teams, those 2 wins coming from the Giants (one on opening day). Dallas already defeated an out of sync Packers team earlier in the year. If Dallas gets out ahead early, it will be tough for Green Bay to climb back (they've been getting off to slow starts, especially with their depleted secondary). But last night's second half was some serious momentum, and rookie QBs make mistakes in post-season. I say Go Pack Go.
GB


Bhawk - 1/9/2017 at 02:39 PM

Onward!

Cowboys
Seahawks
Patriots
Steelers


porkchopbob - 1/12/2017 at 05:20 PM



The Chargers are moving to LA, it's official. Sounds like they didn't have much choice, financially speaking.

I was happy that the Rams moved back to LA, it's where they belong, but I'd rather the Chargers stay in San Diego. I think it's better when there are more markets rather than doubling up franchises. LA isn't too far away from San Diego and they got their start there, but it's a bit like the Chiefs moving back to Dallas, especially with the Chargers' division rival, the Raiders, already claiming a lot of fans from their time in LA.

They will play in a 30,000 seat stadium in Carson - might be a fun (or utterly depressing) opportunity to watch an NFL game.



Lee - 1/12/2017 at 05:26 PM

This whole moving around trend is somewhat odd but let's face it, this has happened forever. In all sports. Look at hockey.


porkchopbob - 1/12/2017 at 05:41 PM

quote:
This whole moving around trend is somewhat odd but let's face it, this has happened forever. In all sports. Look at hockey.


I wouldn't say it's a trend. If anything, it happens less often these days. Most cities don't want to lose their sports franchises to another city (or the suburbs). Almost every early NFL and NBA franchise has moved at some point.


Lee - 1/12/2017 at 06:06 PM

quote:
quote:
This whole moving around trend is somewhat odd but let's face it, this has happened forever. In all sports. Look at hockey.


Almost every early NFL and NBA franchise has moved at some point.



That's what I meant. You are agreeing with me on that point.


porkchopbob - 1/12/2017 at 06:51 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
This whole moving around trend is somewhat odd but let's face it, this has happened forever. In all sports. Look at hockey.


Almost every early NFL and NBA franchise has moved at some point.


That's what I meant. You are agreeing with me on that point.


That was my intent.


Brendan - 1/12/2017 at 06:56 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
This whole moving around trend is somewhat odd but let's face it, this has happened forever. In all sports. Look at hockey.


Almost every early NFL and NBA franchise has moved at some point.


That's what I meant. You are agreeing with me on that point.


That was my intent.


WHEW! Crisis averted!


Bhawk - 1/12/2017 at 07:00 PM

quote:
Almost every early NFL and NBA franchise has moved at some point.


The Browns moved, but unfortunately they came back.


jszfunk - 1/12/2017 at 07:10 PM

quote:
quote:
Almost every early NFL and NBA franchise has moved at some point.


The Browns moved, but unfortunately they came back.




Lee - 1/12/2017 at 07:12 PM

quote:
quote:
Almost every early NFL and NBA franchise has moved at some point.


The Browns moved, but unfortunately they came back.



They have cool uniforms though.


porkchopbob - 1/12/2017 at 10:07 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Almost every early NFL and NBA franchise has moved at some point.


The Browns moved, but unfortunately they came back.



They have cool uniforms though.


had cool uniforms...


porkchopbob - 1/15/2017 at 03:15 PM

Atlanta pulled it off yesterday. I knew Seattle has been as good this year, but I figured if their offense could get going against a weak Atlanta defense they'd be in good shape. Still not sold on Atlanta as a dangerous team, but won't shed a tear for Seattle bowing out.

Oh, and the Patriots had a 2nd round bye last night. Can something be done about the AFC South please?


nebish - 1/15/2017 at 08:47 PM

6 games down, no playoff game has been closer than 13 points so far. Average margin of victory to date in the playoff games is just over 18 points.


nebish - 1/15/2017 at 08:53 PM

Yesterday's New England 16 pt spread vs Houston is tied for 3rd highest post season spread ever!


jszfunk - 1/15/2017 at 11:42 PM

Watching the Packers and Cowboys game. Aaron Rodgers will go down as one of the greatest no doubt,but I have never seen a passing qb better than him. He might be the best I have ever seen.


porkchopbob - 1/16/2017 at 03:43 PM

quote:
Watching the Packers and Cowboys game. Aaron Rodgers will go down as one of the greatest no doubt,but I have never seen a passing qb better than him. He might be the best I have ever seen.


I agree. It doesn't hurt that he has had some amazing receivers. I always marveled that Favre did what he did without a great wide receiver - after Sterling Sharpe went down in 1994 Favre never had any exceptional targets, except that Super Bowl year when they had Don Beebe, Andre Rison, and Keith Jackson. Rodgers has a whole toolbox full of quality receivers right now.

The Packers haven't had a big receiver tight end since Chmura and Keith Jackson back in the mid-1990s. Jared Cook has mad such a huge difference the second half of this season, he might be the Packers' MVP. That footwork on the sideline was nuts for a big guy like him.

But dang, what a game. Really happy to see Green Bay take the air out of Dallas' stadium. Boys will be boys. The lone Cowboys fan at the bar we were at actually got asked to leave because he was drunk and swearing at the TV so much (f-bombs after every play), he missed the final 2 minutes.

So we are down to 4 teams, and it just so happens, the 4 best Quarterbacks in the league right now: Rodgers, Brady, Roethlessberger, Ryan. If the Packers defeat Atlanta, it will either be a rematch of Super Bowl 45 or Super Bowl 31.

New England-Pittsburgh (PITT)
If any team in the AFC can defeat the Patriots, it's the Steelers. The Pats defeated the Steelers in the regular season, but I think Roethlessberger was out. They are on a roll right now. A lot has been made about Aaron Rodgers' "run the table" comment and the Packers' 6-game win streak, but the Steelers ended the season with a 7-game win streak after starting out 4-5.

Atlanta-Green Bay (GB)
The Falcons defeated the Packers by 1 point during the regular season a few months ago. Both Atlanta's defense and Green Bay's offense have improved since that game. Green Bay torched the Falcons in Atlanta in 2010 on their way to the Super Bowl, I think they can do it again. Aaron Rodgers looks possessed right now. Matt Ryan is playing as well as he ever has, and they surprised me against Seattle, but Green Bay is playing much better than Seattle has. Should be a good one.



[Edited on 1/16/2017 by porkchopbob]


Redfish7 - 1/16/2017 at 04:28 PM

quote:
But dang, what a game. Really happy to see Green Bay take the air out of Dallas' stadium. Boys will be boys. The lone Cowboys fan at the bar we were at actually got asked to leave because he was drunk and swearing at the TV so much (f-bombs after every play), he missed the final 2 minutes.


porkchopbob - are you a Packers fan? If so, congrats. Speaking as a die hard Cowboys fan...and as one who did not utter a single f-bomb during the entire game (although there may have been a few other choice words used at times)...hats off to Aaron and the Packers. Incredible run that the Packers are on, and I agree with all the praise being heaped upon Rodgers.


porkchopbob - 1/16/2017 at 05:03 PM

quote:
porkchopbob - are you a Packers fan? If so, congrats. Speaking as a die hard Cowboys fan...and as one who did not utter a single f-bomb during the entire game (although there may have been a few other choice words used at times)...hats off to Aaron and the Packers. Incredible run that the Packers are on, and I agree with all the praise being heaped upon Rodgers.


Yeah, big Packers fan. That was a great game, Dallas had a great season and they will no doubt be in good hands with Dak Prescott in the next few years. Romo has been solid the last decade, but Dak is definitely an upgrade if he can keep it going.

And the Cowboys fan at the bar was actually pretty entertaining, sporting a Deion Sanders jersey to boot. I think he had had a few before he got there, and didn't expect to be surrounded by Packers fans (and a good number of Giants fans, naturally) in a south Florida bar.


Redfish7 - 1/16/2017 at 05:23 PM

quote:
Yeah, big Packers fan. That was a great game, Dallas had a great season and they will no doubt be in good hands with Dak Prescott in the next few years. Romo has been solid the last decade, but Dak is definitely an upgrade if he can keep it going.

And the Cowboys fan at the bar was actually pretty entertaining, sporting a Deion Sanders jersey to boot. I think he had had a few before he got there, and didn't expect to be surrounded by Packers fans (and a good number of Giants fans, naturally) in a south Florida bar.


Haha..."Prime Time"!!...we sure could have used Deion last night! Our D is definitely the weak link. Hopefully we can work on that in the off season. Although I really believe it was coaching more than anything...our defensive scheme was way too conservative in the 1st half. Did Rodgers even break a sweat on that 21-3 run? Once we started bringing pressure, the whole game changed, but by that time we were already in a huge hole. And then the decision at the end of the game to spike the ball on first down rather than using that down to take another shot down the field, which also stopped the clock. Not smart. But when it was all said and done, we just needed our D to make one more stop...just one more...but they couldn't get it done. Amazing game. But my nerves were shot at the end of it...



[Edited on 1/16/2017 by Redfish7]


heineken515 - 1/16/2017 at 05:41 PM

A side effect of the Cowboys losing, ticket prices plunge:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/01/16/super-bowl-li-ticket-pr ices/96632580/


porkchopbob - 1/16/2017 at 05:53 PM

quote:
A side effect of the Cowboys losing, ticket prices plunge:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/01/16/super-bowl-li-ticket-pr ices/96632580/


The Cowboys and the Texans, since the inflated prices were due to those teams potentially playing close to or in their home market for the Super Bowl.


Sang - 1/16/2017 at 07:17 PM

Anybody check on DougMacKenzie?????


Lee - 1/16/2017 at 08:30 PM

quote:
A side effect of the Cowboys losing, ticket prices plunge:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/01/16/super-bowl-li-ticket-pr ices/96632580/


Still no way in hell I would ever pay that much for a ticket, even if my favorite team was in the game.


Redfish7 - 1/16/2017 at 09:54 PM

quote:
quote:
A side effect of the Cowboys losing, ticket prices plunge:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/01/16/super-bowl-li-ticket-pr ices/96632580/


Still no way in hell I would ever pay that much for a ticket, even if my favorite team was in the game.


Agree. The best seat in the stadium is the one in my living room. I care absolutely nothing about going and seeing it, or any other game for that matter. And especially if my team is in it. When my team makes it back to another Super Bowl, the last place I want to be is surrounded by thousands of people...I prefer to savor the moment in complete solitude and in the comfort of my home.


porkchopbob - 1/16/2017 at 11:03 PM

If I had endless disposable income, it would be fun to go see the Packers in a Super Bowl. But as big of a fan as I am, I can't imagine ever dropping that much money on flights, tickets, hotels, food, etc, when I'd be just as content ordering a pizza and wings and watching at home where the beer is much cheaper. I've seen 3 or 4 games at Lambeau, it really doesn't get better than that.


emr - 1/17/2017 at 02:24 PM

1 - I can't remember seeing two games so exciting on the same do so late in the playoffs

2 - re: ticket prices of course it is patently insane. But the experience (in my mind) is all about the journey with people close to you. My dad was a rabid SF Giant fan. Unfortunately he died prior to the 2002 WS (I was 6 in 1962 and didn't go) - but as a kid he made an open ended promise that if the Giants ever made the WS. Many a late night listening to the games on radio prior to cable. Would have been special

And to top it off my wife wouldn't let my son and me fly to London for the Cream reunion (all because he had the SAT's)


Lee - 1/18/2017 at 08:44 PM

Why do these idiots want to scream about politics when there is football to argue about?


nebish - 1/18/2017 at 09:10 PM

My wife and I went to Super Bowl in Indy when it was the Giants and Patriots. It was her Christmas present. She is a huge sports fan, bigger than me. I made this 3 ring binder with pictures of QBs who were in the playoffs, a picture of her and I, then a picture of Lucas Oil Stadium followed by a picture of a super bowl trophy. Other than when I gave her the engagement ring it was the most emotional gift I've given her, for both of us.

It was the first year that the NFL was doing that NFL on Location ticket package. I came across it by accident online when trying to figure out how to go to the game. Now they run NFL on Location ads. I don't recall the exact price, I know it was not 5 figures, it was upper 4 figures. We drove to Indy from Ohio and the hotel was part of the package, but not close to the stadium, which made it cheaper, we had to drive in and out 20 minutes or so each day.

The way that the ticket prices got towards the end of ABB at the Beacon, with flying to NYC, going to multiple shows with a pair of tickets and a lengthy hotel stay in Manhattan and everything that goes into a trip like that, the Super Bowl wasn't really that much more when we went.

We got to go down on the field afterwards as part of the package. Before the game we were able to go to a pregame party sponsored by the NFL. My wife got to meet some players and she made a fool out of herself. Told Doug Flutie "I love watching you" (of course he hasnt played in many years), told Pierre Garcon that she "drafted him on her fantasy team". She hugged Josh Cribbs. She is literally like a sports groupie...without the sex part (I think )

It really was an experience of a lifetime.

The game was very corporate feeling. Alot of fans in jerseys, but maybe just as many people in sports jackets. A souvenir tub of popcorn was $20. We still use the tub.


Lee - 1/22/2017 at 02:09 PM

So the Packers are getting four.

Pittsburgh is getting six.

I took both underdogs but I am not too confident in either one.


piacere - 1/22/2017 at 04:26 PM

quote:
So the Packers are getting four.

Pittsburgh is getting six.

I took both underdogs but I am not too confident in either one.


you taking pittsburgh makes my day...

hotel where steelers were staying had fire alarm go off at 3 a.m. Building had to be evacuated.

gopats...


Redfish7 - 1/22/2017 at 04:37 PM

quote:
quote:
So the Packers are getting four.

Pittsburgh is getting six.

I took both underdogs but I am not too confident in either one.


you taking pittsburgh makes my day...

hotel where steelers were staying had fire alarm go off at 3 a.m. Building had to be evacuated.

gopats...


Was it Bill Belichick who pulled the fire alarm?


porkchopbob - 1/22/2017 at 04:52 PM

quote:
you taking pittsburgh makes my day...

hotel where steelers were staying had fire alarm go off at 3 a.m. Building had to be evacuated.

gopats...


Was it Bill Belichick who pulled the fire alarm?


Brady heard they were all sleeping on air mattresses...


Lee - 1/22/2017 at 08:11 PM

quote:
quote:
So the Packers are getting four.

Pittsburgh is getting six.

I took both underdogs but I am not too confident in either one.


you taking pittsburgh makes my day...

hotel where steelers were staying had fire alarm go off at 3 a.m. Building had to be evacuated.

gopats...


So they let the Steelers stay? Apparently they didn't go anywhere.


Lee - 1/22/2017 at 08:14 PM

quote:
quote:
you taking pittsburgh makes my day...

hotel where steelers were staying had fire alarm go off at 3 a.m. Building had to be evacuated.

gopats...


Was it Bill Belichick who pulled the fire alarm?


Brady heard they were all sleeping on air mattresses...



Were they overinflated?


Lee - 1/23/2017 at 12:50 PM

Well those were some crummy games yesterday.


porkchopbob - 1/23/2017 at 01:43 PM

quote:
Well those were some crummy games yesterday.


Agreed. I never thought these games would be blow outs. Bummed that the Packers finally ran out of miracles, but these playoff games were total gravy after starting 4-6. The injuries finally caught up with them, their secondary was all in a M*A*S*H unit. Still, there were some amazing moments and hopefully next season they will be able to build on it.

So the young teams beat the old teams. New England's run continues to be amazing. Atlanta has certainly surprised me, their defense has gotten a lot better. Dan Quinn seems to have brought the same mojo he developed in Seattle with him. Atlanta and New England both blew out good but injury-depleted teams, the Super Bowl will hopefully be a better match up.


jszfunk - 1/24/2017 at 12:08 PM

Yeah, I was kind of disappointed, wanted the Pack to go on, but congrats to Atlanta and looking forward to them hopefully wining the big one!!


heineken515 - 1/24/2017 at 02:51 PM

I want to go on record as not liking this thing where defenders try to rip the ball out of the ball carriers hands instead of just tackling him.

I know it is not a new thing, but there was a time when it didn't exist.

I don't like it.


Sang - 1/24/2017 at 05:55 PM

Well, there is one game left, but the ABB pool winners are set - one game doesn't change the outcome.

ABB Spread pool

Where's My Mule? 139-102
Leglizhemp 128-113
Sang 121-124
Ninety-Nine and a half 119-125
Pacific North West 115-126
danb 108-135
Steel Curtain 84-157

ABB Straight Up pool

Leglizhemp 164-84
Sangsters of the Midway 161-89
Lockett the Rocket 159-89
danb 155-95
Ninety-Nine and a half 144-104

Thanks to all for playing, and congrats to Lee and Leglizhemp......

The best part was beating nebish and danb in both pools.......


LeglizHemp - 1/30/2017 at 03:52 PM

Make the Monday after the "Big Game" a National Holiday!

https://www.change.org/p/make-the-monday-after-the-big-game-a-national-holi day


LeglizHemp - 1/30/2017 at 03:53 PM

another fun season of picking....wtg Lee


Lee - 1/30/2017 at 06:02 PM

quote:
another fun season of picking....wtg Lee



Thanks Hemp. Can't believe I did so well but I also won the pool I am in for $$$ so that was even more important than beating Sang.


piacere - 2/1/2017 at 01:56 PM

very lovely.

meanwhile, the mighty and glorious Patriots have yet another super bowl to play.

and win.


Bhawk - 2/1/2017 at 06:06 PM

quote:
very lovely.

meanwhile, the mighty and glorious Patriots have yet another super bowl to play.

and win.


But, actually, no one really cares.


Sang - 2/1/2017 at 07:13 PM

Hopefully the commercials will be good................


jszfunk - 2/1/2017 at 09:31 PM

It sounds like the consensus from the sports media that New England will win . The Pats have a good defense, but I don't think they really have been tested this season against an offense like the Falcons. I would not underestimate them to much.
I just hope its a good game.

I will bypass the halftime entertainment and drop the needle on a long extended ABB jam!!!


Lee - 2/1/2017 at 09:55 PM

I don't care who wins as long as the Patriots lose.


Stephen - 2/3/2017 at 03:35 AM

If the Pats win, having done it the first few games w/out TB & the last several without Gronkowski, even their most ardent detractors would have to tip their caps in acknowledging them as the greatest squad ever

-- they're the NFL's Spurs, Belichick their Popovich, TB their [now-retired] Tim Duncan -- all they've ever done is win -- congrats coach Popovich, his next win will break Jerry Sloan's record with the Jazz for most wins with one team

Let's do it Pats -- wotta team



[Edited on 2/4/2017 by Stephen]


Lee - 2/6/2017 at 01:30 AM

Nice first half!


gondicar - 2/6/2017 at 03:31 AM

Suck it, haters.

FIVE. COUNT 'EM.



[Edited on 2/6/2017 by gondicar]


piacere - 2/6/2017 at 03:33 AM

quote:
Nice first half!


yeah.

hey dude, have a great week.


Stephen - 2/6/2017 at 03:41 AM

No team ever made up a bigger deficit in the SB -- 31 unanswered points in the last 20 min
Brady, the greatest QB in history -- there is no argument on that point
my gosh wotta game -- wotta team
gonna slap on the album that turned me on to Steve Miller all those years ago
Number 5
YABABY -- all others are pikers -- congrats Pats

[Edited on 2/6/2017 by Stephen]


Lee - 2/6/2017 at 01:19 PM

Quite a game! No offense to the Pats but Atlanta blew that game, especially the last time they had the ball. Worst play calling ever. They were set up to kick a field goal and pretty much clinch it and they effed it up. I would think even Pats fans would have to admit that.

But Atlanta left a door open for Brady and he took it. Good for them.


porkchopbob - 2/6/2017 at 02:19 PM

That was maybe the most amazing Super Bowl ever. What a game. The biggest middle finger of a season ever, Goodell couldn't get off that podium fast enough. I knew the Pats would make a game of it in the 4th quarter, but that was a textbook comeback and use of the clock (I wish Mike McCarthy would take notes).

Those 3 Atlanta Falcons fans must be crushed.

[Edited on 2/6/2017 by porkchopbob]


piacere - 2/7/2017 at 01:05 PM

quote:
Quite a game! No offense to the Pats but Atlanta blew that game, especially the last time they had the ball. Worst play calling ever. They were set up to kick a field goal and pretty much clinch it and they effed it up. I would think even Pats fans would have to admit that.

But Atlanta left a door open for Brady and he took it. Good for them.


seattle should've run the ball too.

takes no shine off the hardware.


Lee - 2/7/2017 at 01:18 PM

Ya win, Ya win.


LeglizHemp - 2/7/2017 at 01:47 PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2691464-nfl1000-how-tom-brady-led-the-pa triots-historic-super-bowl-comeback?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=refer ral&utm_campaign=editorial

NFL1000: HOW TOM BRADY LED THE PATRIOTS' HISTORIC SUPER BOWL COMEBACK


nebish - 3/4/2017 at 01:15 AM

Are mock drafts by overpaid and overstaffed sports media opinion reporters the least meaningful thing of the year you see or what? Guess they need something to do, so they justify themselves by posting pointless fake draft results.


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