Thread: ABB and Instant Lives

rob0319 - 4/7/2007 at 02:41 PM

Anybody have any info on whether the band is going to continue the tradition of selling IL's at the shows for Wanee and the summer tour.Always looked forward to grabbing one after the shows and probably was quite profitable for the band also. p.s. Got bros. tickets for the Tweeter center in Camden although had to settle pretty far back. Guess all the deadheads were out in full force.


RobJohnson - 4/7/2007 at 03:12 PM

I'm not sure what the band's plans for the summer tour are, but there will be live recordings available from the Wanee festival.

HOWEVER, they will not be Instant Lives, in the sense that they will not be manufactured on site. They will be manufactured afterwards and be available through hittinthenote.com.

I can understand that folks like to listen to the show in the car on the way home, but I don't think most fans realize the massive infrastructure and expense involved in burning thousands of discs and having them ready by the end of the show. All the gear and personnel involved are pretty expensive, and the result is not as lucrative for the band as you might think.

Another good side of this is that it gives us time to fix tracking errors, songs that are split between discs, and other various glitches that occur when you're trying to crank out the discs for an impatient mob after the show We should be able to offer a higher quality product, and hopefully that will be the trade off for the lack of instant gratification.


heineken515 - 4/7/2007 at 03:16 PM

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when you're trying to crank out the discs for an impatient mob after the show


Hey, I resemble that remark...


bdwalton77 - 4/7/2007 at 03:27 PM

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Another good side of this is that it gives us time to fix tracking errors, songs that are split between discs, and other various glitches that occur when you're trying to crank out the discs for an impatient mob after the show We should be able to offer a higher quality product, and hopefully that will be the trade off for the lack of instant gratification.


I think HTN is making the right choice in maximizing quality. Over the years the mixes have increased in quality (noticeably '05 and beyond) and taking the time to track properly and ensure songs aren't split up is the right thing to do.

That being said, in accepting this time allowance for quality assurance, I would prefer not to have a 35 minute disc 2 like so many of the ILs end up with. There are few shows that genuinely deserve a 3rd disc, based on timings, and I hope that future shows don't waste space to 'legitimize' the price.


RobJohnson - 4/7/2007 at 07:17 PM

I hear what you're saying bdwalton77, but sometimes cutting the shows down to 2 discs is at odds with the "don't split up songs" mandate. We thought about condensing some of the 2006 shows to 2 discs when they were reprinted, but we were surprised to find how rarely this was possible without having to cut a song or jam in half somewhere, and we ended up not doing it at all.

I'm glad you think this is the right call, and I assure you we will try to turn the Wanee discs around as quickly as possible after the festival.


Benjamin - 4/7/2007 at 08:17 PM

Hey Rob - are you still using the Instant Live people, just with a different process?

Just wondering because I read that Instant Live lost the patent suit, so they don't have the monopoly on the concept.

Also - you going to be up on top of the sound booth - video recording?
If you are, let's hope it's warmer this year than it was the first year....


JDDjd - 4/7/2007 at 09:11 PM


HOWEVER, they will not be Instant Lives, in the sense that they will not be manufactured on site. They will be manufactured afterwards and be available through hittinthenote.com.

I can understand that folks like to listen to the show in the car on the way home, but I don't think most fans realize the massive infrastructure and expense involved in burning thousands of discs and having them ready by the end of the show. All the gear and personnel involved are pretty expensive, and the result is not as lucrative for the band as you might think.



I didn't realize that the "Instant Live" discs are actually available sometimes, instantly. From a retail point of view I bet that is a great concept--people will spend when they come out all excited. Must be a hard thing to pull off.


Fishhead - 4/7/2007 at 09:43 PM

Thanks to whoever does all this work. I treasue the IL that I do have and will continue to buy as long as they are available. They are well worth the wait after the shows or in the mail.


cupofjo - 4/7/2007 at 10:37 PM

I think this is a great idae I have purchaesd many ILs and sometimes it is a crapshoot. I think qaulity should be priority.

Rob a question for you.

Has any one suggested downloads like Mule Tracks to ABB? It would cut out a lot of cost for the middle man, discs and packaging. They could sell mp3 and Flac format. They would be able to charge less and make more of a profit! This is the way of the future and they have been very innovative in being firsts except this.


RobJohnson - 4/8/2007 at 01:39 AM

cupofjo, my impression is that the ABB have warmed up somewhat to the idea of downloads, but they still don't have any concrete plans for doing so anytime soon. If they ever decide to do so, I'm sure folks on this website will be the first to know!

Benjamin, that was JNB doing the video, not me, and yes he is doing it again this year Among other thing, he is going to help shoot the ABB footage for the Jamcam DVD. By all means, let's all think good thoughts that it's not as cold this year as it was in 2005! The first year of Wanee I thought I was going to have to defrost Joe when he came down from the soundboard scaffolding


PhotoRon286 - 4/8/2007 at 02:25 AM

quote:
I'm not sure what the band's plans for the summer tour are, but there will be live recordings available from the Wanee festival.

HOWEVER, they will not be Instant Lives, in the sense that they will not be manufactured on site. They will be manufactured afterwards and be available through hittinthenote.com.

I can understand that folks like to listen to the show in the car on the way home, but I don't think most fans realize the massive infrastructure and expense involved in burning thousands of discs and having them ready by the end of the show. All the gear and personnel involved are pretty expensive, and the result is not as lucrative for the band as you might think.

Another good side of this is that it gives us time to fix tracking errors, songs that are split between discs, and other various glitches that occur when you're trying to crank out the discs for an impatient mob after the show We should be able to offer a higher quality product, and hopefully that will be the trade off for the lack of instant gratification.


That's all well and good, I've hated the split Jessicas and Liz Reeds, but given how long it takes HTW to turn around the last few years shows, how long will we have to wait?

And will we finally see shorter shows on two discs instead of three?

Any price breaks for those?


jessica0717 - 4/8/2007 at 02:53 AM

quote:
I'm not sure what the band's plans for the summer tour are, but there will be live recordings available from the Wanee festival.

HOWEVER, they will not be Instant Lives, in the sense that they will not be manufactured on site. They will be manufactured afterwards and be available through hittinthenote.com.

I can understand that folks like to listen to the show in the car on the way home, but I don't think most fans realize the massive infrastructure and expense involved in burning thousands of discs and having them ready by the end of the show. All the gear and personnel involved are pretty expensive, and the result is not as lucrative for the band as you might think.

Another good side of this is that it gives us time to fix tracking errors, songs that are split between discs, and other various glitches that occur when you're trying to crank out the discs for an impatient mob after the show We should be able to offer a higher quality product, and hopefully that will be the trade off for the lack of instant gratification.


AWESOME NEWS ROB I agree. I think it's definitely better to do something that includes post production stuff!!!


JNB - 4/8/2007 at 03:19 AM

None of us really prepared for the cold that first Wanee - as I was filming on top of the soundboard scaffolding I was using the spotlight casings to unfreeze my hands. But the film we got for the ABB archives was well worth it!

We really appreciate everyones interest and support for the ABB Instant Live CDs. Please help us out by not copying them for friends. Please don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg. All three Hittin' the Note tents at Wanee will be taking orders for the two festival nights - please help spread the word! As always, Wanee is a very special time and place and these CDs bring back the memories forever.

As far as downloads, I don't want to mis-state the band's position. I do know that they have made a concious decision to put out CDs but continue to mull over the download piece of the puzzle. I am sure that management wants to act in the band's best interest -so don't think that they are not aware of that option. Time will tell...

JNB


arooskie - 4/8/2007 at 04:14 AM

One thing that would be great for ABB releasing their shows via download would be the ability to release older recordings through the same means...I seem to remember a few complaints on the sales numbers for an archival release not too long ago - perhaps it would make future releases cheaper to distribute?


cupofjo - 4/9/2007 at 03:35 PM

Thanks Rob and Joe for the informative answers.
Hopefully sometime in the near future they will go the way of the download


newjerseymike - 4/9/2007 at 04:12 PM

I apologize in advance if everyone else knows the answer to this question, but here goes: Is there anyway that I can LEGALLY get a copy of an Instant Live show from this past run at the Beacon? I'm not looking for a trade. I was at the 4/2 show and scooted out the side door so I didn't see the IL sales.


PhotoRon286 - 4/9/2007 at 04:22 PM

They didn't do any.

They never do ILs at the Beacon.


slowhand6 - 4/9/2007 at 04:23 PM

Mike, I wasn't there but I believe that IL is never at the Beacon Run. Meaning there are not IL's of the ABB Beacon run. You can however eventually get free copies of audience recorings right here on this website! Head on down tot he Trades & Vines sections!

Peace~!


newjerseymike - 4/9/2007 at 04:24 PM

Thanks guys!


sixty8 - 4/9/2007 at 07:49 PM

quote:
I'm not sure what the band's plans for the summer tour are, but there will be live recordings available from the Wanee festival.

HOWEVER, they will not be Instant Lives, in the sense that they will not be manufactured on site. They will be manufactured afterwards and be available through hittinthenote.com.

I can understand that folks like to listen to the show in the car on the way home, but I don't think most fans realize the massive infrastructure and expense involved in burning thousands of discs and having them ready by the end of the show. All the gear and personnel involved are pretty expensive, and the result is not as lucrative for the band as you might think.

Another good side of this is that it gives us time to fix tracking errors, songs that are split between discs, and other various glitches that occur when you're trying to crank out the discs for an impatient mob after the show We should be able to offer a higher quality product, and hopefully that will be the trade off for the lack of instant gratification.


Sounds good to me. I would rather wait a couple of weeks anyway so the show isn't so fresh in my head. I hope they take the same approach in the summer. I don't know why they just don't do it like Mule and Pearl Jam do it and give you the option of downloading it yourself.

Pete


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