Thread: ABB Fillmore East Feb. 1970

WarEagleRK - 6/12/2018 at 12:45 PM

Potential new release in August? I'm guessing it's a rerelease of the Grateful Dead recording of the ABB.

https://smile.amazon.com/Fillmore-East-February-Allman-Brothers/dp/B07D52YW N4/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1528807345&sr=1-4&keyword s=allman&refinements=p_n_date%3A1249114011


playallnite - 6/12/2018 at 04:29 PM

I got that when it first came out, very,very clean audio, you can't beat a Bear Board.


playallnite - 6/12/2018 at 07:09 PM


"In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" (Dickey Betts) 9:19
"Hoochie Coochie Man" (Willie Dixon) 6:01
"Statesboro Blues" (Blind Willie McTell) 4:18
"Trouble No More" (McKinley Morganfield aka Muddy Waters) 4:12
"I'm Gonna Move to the Outskirts of Town" (William Weldon) 8:28
"Whipping Post" (Gregg Allman) 8:12
"Mountain Jam" (Donovan Leitch, Duane Allman, Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Berry Oakley, Butch Trucks, Jai Johnny Johnson) 30:48

Get it when you can!


BabaOrion - 6/13/2018 at 12:46 AM

This is a great album that's unfortunately been out of print for some years now. This is probably just a digital reissue, but hopefully there will be some more material added.


WarEagleRK - 6/13/2018 at 03:47 AM

This is listed as a one disc CD release, so for those who didn't get it years ago it hopefully will be a second chance to get it, but it doesn't look like there would be more material.


ABBDutchFan - 6/25/2018 at 11:03 AM

Not sure if the new cover art was shown when WarEagleRK posted this thread on 06/12/2018 so here it is:


adhill58 - 6/25/2018 at 12:57 PM

If you have the notion... The Owsley Stanley Foundation accepts donations to help preserve the tapes.

owsleystanleyfoundation.org (I forgot how to post an actual link, but that is the web address.)


blackey - 6/25/2018 at 12:58 PM

I also bought this in 1997 when it came out. Wasn't it a Grateful Dead release the ABB allowed them to do?

I saw the band at another venue about this time and they were just amazing. In 1970 Jaimoe didn't play drums on all the songs. I distinctly remember he played congas on Liz Reed and timbales on Don't Keep Me Wondering. But when they did play two sets of drums, Butch and Jaimoe played wide open and as it's been discussed before, somehow their styles messed and they never stepped on each other.

Mountain Jam on this release is a monster. Probably the best version I've heard. Of particular note are the drums playing at 110 percent and the tasty things Jaimoe does during Dickey's solo is just incredible.

This is the REAL Allman Brothers folks. No other line up equaled this.


thetoweringfool - 6/25/2018 at 02:43 PM

Yeah...this was what The Dead released in '97. I bought it immediately and stands today as one of the premiere Duane-era captures. First...Owsley was the Gold-Standard. Secondly...there aren't many Duane-era tapes that aren't borderline unlistenable. Bear's technique/approach captures the nuance/detail of ABB that so may of the muddy AUD tapes veil. Like blackey says...the timbres and colors of Jaimoe's playing are on display here...more of Gregg's B-3, etc. Most importantly...this is a stunningly good set. I always found this to be far-superior to Ludlow Garage (which I really like). Thrilled that this is being RE-released...hopefully gets pressed on vinyl.


blackey - 6/25/2018 at 03:48 PM

Ludlow garage recording equipment or technique is not as good as this. But better than many Duane era recordings. Some sadly sound just slightly better than an audience tape. All instruments have to be heard and mixed right to create what the original ABB sounded like or any lineup of the band and any other band for that matter. With modern audience recordings you can at least see some of the action but it's still difficult to tell how good they were that night or with the case of Dickey's two shows this year, how bad it was. I bet Fillmore East quality recording, Dickey's show would sound much better. But I could hear enough to tell Dickey's singing and playing was weak and rusty. I'm hoping he gets better. His sound and material is a huge part of the band's legacy. Apparently he had completely retired, agreed to do a Rolling Stones interview and said his career is over but he started getting offers to play and was bored and couldn't resist the temptation and he wanted to tip his hat to Gregg. Whipping Post in Macon was actually strong seeing it live in house. Jaimoe was on drums with Dickey standing/sitting in front of him and Jaimoe was still rather powerful and tasty. And Dickey wisely shared is solo and traded licks with sax player Kris Jensen rather than playing his solo straight through. Dickey sounded pretty good on WP. It's interesting he couldn't remember how the song goes. Also I remember an interview he did about 2005 and the gut told him his solo on Eat A Peach's One Way Out was one of Rock guitars greatest solo and his tone was absolutely killer. Surprisingly Dickey said he couldn't remember what he did on Eat A Peach. Then he ask Dickey which solo is his on Whipping Post on Fillmore East and he said he thought his was first and Duane's was second. But it's reversed. After Duane died when Chuck was hired, Dickey moved to the second solo. I got to talk with Dickey in 1986 and he could remember all I ask him. It was then I found out who is singing backup on Revival. I was guessing Dickey and Oakley but Dickey said he could clearly remember doing that album in bits and pieces in Macon and Miami and he said I know it doesn't sound like it but that is all of us. Me, Duane, Gregg, Oakley, Butch and Jaimoe. And they all did that on Black Hearted Woman. Butch mentioned that too in the 1990s on this site and added that is Oakley breaking up at the end of the chant on Black Hearted Woman. Red Dog said on Revival they had the roadies in there too but Tom Dowd liked it better with just the 6 band members.

I'm hoping Dickey will gain some strength but at 74 and with all the booze etc over the years he may be like BB King was at 84 and more. Having to sit and diminished skill singing and playing. But if that is the case, so be it. It's Dickey Betts and I'll go. Dickey wrote half of and played all of the music that affected me in 1970 and 1971 and beyond like no other music. It was kinda like Paul on the Road to Damascus. I got so zapped I'm still jumping 48 years later.


blackey - 6/25/2018 at 03:53 PM

That's "and the guy told him" not gut. I'm 71 and don't know how to turn off the damn spell checker. It changes 1/3 of my words and even after corrected what it does, a few get changed when I hit post. Must be a virus in this phone for it it screw with me like this.


porkchopbob - 6/25/2018 at 04:32 PM

quote:
I always found this to be far-superior to Ludlow Garage (which I really like).


I've always really liked Fillmore 2/70, but to me Ludlow Garage is much more interesting and tight show. You can hear the band had grown much more tight in just a couple of months, especially Butch and Jaimoe's interplay which sounds like it has more nuance on Ludlow (just compare those "Statesboro Blues"). I do absolutely love the "Outskirts of Town" on Fillmore 2/70.

Glad this is getting re-released, it's great for people who missed it the first time and hopefully a great sign of things to come.


ABBDutchFan - 6/25/2018 at 05:19 PM

quote:
Yeah...this was what The Dead released in '97. I bought it immediately and stands today as one of the premiere Duane-era captures. First...Owsley was the Gold-Standard. Secondly...there aren't many Duane-era tapes that aren't borderline unlistenable. Bear's technique/approach captures the nuance/detail of ABB that so may of the muddy AUD tapes veil. Like blackey says...the timbres and colors of Jaimoe's playing are on display here...more of Gregg's B-3, etc. Most importantly...this is a stunningly good set. I always found this to be far-superior to Ludlow Garage (which I really like). Thrilled that this is being RE-released...hopefully gets pressed on vinyl.


X2. Really hope this will be released on vinyl as well!


griff - 6/25/2018 at 06:31 PM

This appears to be another show of the ongoing "Bear's Sonic Journals" series.
Bears estate has his tapes and they are doing select releases.
I too purchased this when it came out and was sold by Grateful Dead Productions.
The story as I recall it is Bear was set up to record The Grateful Dead performances and The Allman Brothers opened.
Bear was rolling thank goodness.
I also recall the story of Ludlow Garage as something like the mics were placed up in the lighting rigs or some such place.
So the sonic quality is night and day compared with Bears recording.
Ditto for most Duane/Berry era shows where the quality of recording is just sadly not there.
I emailed Bear after I listened to this. Sometime in the late 90's?
To my surprise he responded.
I requested Bear release the rest of what he recorded from those Fillmore shows. I think that was a 2 night run?
Bear emailed me and said no problem.
The one condition was he was firm that the CD's would be released "just as I taped them. From the first note right until the last note of the show. No editing of songs".
So that was my attempt to get Bear to release more from his tape stash.
I would like to see what other Duane era show are in "Bear's Vault".
Yes I will pay to hear those.
Just like he recorded them!


jmorgs12 - 6/25/2018 at 09:26 PM

https://vimeo.com/user33499092/videos/page:1/sort:date

Mountain Jam from this show.

Video I posted a while ago.

Captain Skipper told me this video had stuff not on the official release.


RobJohnson - 6/27/2018 at 12:17 AM

Glad to see this getting re-issued. It really is a unique performance of the embryonic Allman Brothers and well worth hearing. It is certainly a better recording than Ludlow Garage, but I like the performance on Ludlow better.

Just look at Mountain Jam, which is the highlight of both releases. The 2/70 Fillmore East version is very intense, pedal to the metal pretty much the whole way through. That has its own kind of charm, but the Ludlow version goes through so many different movements, going from one jam to another so fluidly. I love the Ludlow Mountain Jam as much as anything the band ever did.

Not to mention the extended Statesboro Blues with the fake ending and a great Dreams. You don't get either of those treats on 2/70 Fillmore East.

Luckily we can have both!


shane-o - 6/27/2018 at 02:46 PM

I am stoked this is getting released again....if its the same exact one as the dead release in the 90s its a compilation of two sets and I dont mind simply because I want there to be more releases so I am not throwing a wet blanket on this Vague the boot label put out the two sets this came from in its entirety Id love to see them release all they have from this run but some of it is better than none of it


stormyrider - 6/27/2018 at 05:21 PM

I'm excited to hear this
I wonder what exactly is on it - how different is it from the boot that circulated? (maybe I'll dust that off and listen again)

still waiting for the Atlanta Pop vid


ABBDutchFan - 6/27/2018 at 05:50 PM

Holy crap.....: it looks like it's might be an expanded release after all. Maybe even a boxset!!! And in various formats!!! So hopefully on vinyl too! Ypikaye !!!!

Look at this thread:

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/bears-sonic-journals-allman-brothers- band-fillmore-east-february-1970.760028/

"This is the second release from The Owsley Stanley Foundation "Bear's Sonic Journals" series. The OSF facebook page says: "Mastered from scratch...all of the material we could find from all three nights will be available in various formats."


MikeZlotnicki - 6/27/2018 at 07:59 PM

Yeah, I'm a member at that forum, and got damn excited !!! Previously Unreleased Duane will always be purchased by me, until my last breath.

I don't do bootlegs, or copies from any source other than legit releases. So when something like this comes up, I get damn excited.


WarEagleRK - 6/27/2018 at 09:18 PM

Like I posted in the Hoffman forum...

I don't read "box set" from that comment, but it would be nice if that were true.

Either way, if it has one track more than the version I currently have I'm in.

UPDATE:

The Owsley Stanley Facebook updated with the below...

Stay tuned here. They played three shows; one set each. All sets from all nights will be available in various formats to the extent we could find it...

[Edited on 6/27/2018 by WarEagleRK]


oldcoot - 6/27/2018 at 09:18 PM

Absolutely hope that this becomes an expanded release!


MikeZlotnicki - 6/27/2018 at 09:44 PM

Second time checking the Receive email notification box of new replies. Failed me earlier.

[Edited on 6/27/2018 by MikeZlotnicki]


harvey - 7/1/2018 at 10:43 PM

^


PeachNutt - 7/1/2018 at 11:09 PM

It says 1Disc - 72minutes. That seems to indicate no new music, just repackaging the original release. Guess we'll know for sure Aug.18th. Looking forward to finding out.

[Edited on 7/1/2018 by PeachNutt]


PeachNutt - 7/1/2018 at 11:13 PM

I sure wish there was a 5/10/70 Atlanta tape.


PeachNutt - 7/1/2018 at 11:15 PM

I hope Dickey has some Duane era tapes too.


WaitinForRain - 7/2/2018 at 08:43 PM

I wouldn't read too much into the Amazon listing.
More to the point is the blurb from OSF.

I wonder what Gregg had stashed that might be uncirculated.

The old vid clips on live the life I love give me goosebumps every time.


WarEagleRK - 7/2/2018 at 09:06 PM

I wouldn't put too much faith in Gregg having a lot personally stashed away. I never took him to be much of an archivist. With so many bad record deals, I'd be stunned if he even owned any master recordings.

That said, I'm excited about the prospect of this release if it is a box set.


PeachNutt - 7/3/2018 at 12:53 AM

There are a few original Duane era things we've never heard. But I don't know if we will ever get to hear them - especially us older folks, the demographic with $$$, who actually saw the original band. and no, I haven't heard them either. The Allmans Inc., move at the speed of mountains........ too bad for all of us...


griff - 7/3/2018 at 04:17 PM

I had no problem with Gregg not wanting to release older material because he was still playing and recording.
I'm hoping once his estate gets settled Devon and co. will release material from the vault if there is indeed a vault.
But yes I must agree that's probably wishful thinking on my part.


74Jer - 7/3/2018 at 11:03 PM

Always thought the sound was uneven on this release. Volume varies drastically between certain cuts.


BIGV - 7/3/2018 at 11:51 PM

I remember buying this when it was first released and thinking, "cool, but the same set-list with an exception or two" listening a couple of times and not being blown away by the playing or the quality. As time marched on it became just another bootleg to me, still have the disc but the case is long gone.


PeachNutt - 7/29/2018 at 04:59 PM

I purchased the new digital download of all of the available material from all three nights. Unfortunately, I can't get the file to open, regardless of which way I download it. Ouch!!!


dobro - 7/30/2018 at 03:20 PM

Gasp!! I noticed a distinct difference in the tone and sure enough, there at 08:38.09, the grainy footage reveals Dickey playing a Stratocaster!


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